Post: #1

How do you argue with Feminist/SJWs who talk like this?? Gender as a "Construct". This was a response to an FB discussion with a hard-core Feminist who at first used the "whiney privileged white male" catch-phrase to try to reframe the discussion with race-hustling. My previous comment had been merely reflecting reality of evolutionary biology and how women are noticeably more picky than men, even when it comes to looks.

Quote:You can read many of the very articulate and accurate comments from women above that argue against this insipid sexist graphic, what I would say is just redundant at this point. And it's what makes your comment whiny and from a place of male privilege. But I will make a note of one of the things you said that particularly bothered me: I long for a world where I'm NOT fetishized by men solely for my body type as are all progressive educated women I know at this point. Don't complain about something without recognizing that the "biology" you argue about combined with patriarchal male privilege is what has lead to the rape culture that we women live in fear of everyday. Please be our advocates and partners in helping recognize and fight against the construct that is gender rather than complain about there not being dating sites for short men. A decent personality and conversational skills are your only tools required to find a kick ass partner that wants to share your life with you.

These people are so indoctrinated by their Marxist lemmings, blank-slate professors, will simply pointing to the laws of male-female biology be enough to get anything through to them? Any other tactics to show them the light??

Post: #2

I will assume you have some pressing need to communicate with them at all. For example, your name is Oedipus and you are facing a feminist Sphinx.

Feminists are herd animals. To change their direction, move the herd.

Or take them in and domesticate them, using liberal doses of dick in vagina.

Post: #3

I don't do social media so if I have this argument with someone it's in person, play on the most basic of differences in biology between the genders. Saying basic stuff like "If a riot happens would you rather your female friends fighting your corner or me", just really basic, logical, survival of the fittest kinda shit. If they can't even see through that it's not worth it.

Don't know why you would want to argue with feminists in the first place though.

Post: #4

(09-04-2015 11:55 AM)NewMeta Wrote:  I don't do social media so if I have this argument with someone it's in person, play on the most basic of differences in biology between the genders. Saying basic stuff like "If a riot happens would you rather your female friends fighting your corner or me", just really basic, logical, survival of the fittest kinda shit. If they can't even see through that it's not worth it.

Don't know why you would want to argue with feminists in the first place though.

It was a reply to a male friend's post about women being more picky than men in the dating market. Here was my initial response:

Quote:Truth here. And basic biology should confirm it for you. For all the American media, gov't, churches, etc whipping on men for being 'shallow', women are infinitely more picky than men, even when it comes to looks alone. Women's standards for height alone make them more picky. The standard for male attractiveness has not changed for thousands of years: tall, handsome, full head of hair, strong muscles, V-shape physique. Men comparatively, are much more diverse in what we can find attractive, much more flexibility regarding height, body shape, skin complexion... No matter what kind of woman you are, there's at least a sub culture of guys out there who fetishize you. Conversely, I've never heard women raving about being chubby chasers, and I don't see dating sites for women seeking men under 5'3".

And then, feminist lady's interruption:

Quote:I don't have an articulate counter argument because all I hear from this is whining white male privilege and therefore I just can't even.

And then my response, (before her long-winded rant in my OP):

Quote:"Whining white male privilege" hey? Nothing like rebuilding a discussion into good ol' divide-and-conquer race hustling! You know, I also don't have a rational argument to the spouting of vapid SJW cliches, I do have a rational explanation for why people resort to them, but no reason to waste time refuting rebuild-the-mound, emotional responses.

I don't know where else to go with this, other than re-assert my acceptance of science, human nature, and complimentary gender roles. And how accepting complimentary gender roles is a lot easier than staring down the barrel of thousands of years of human evolution. Still, it baffles me how these feminist sheep can be so blank-slate with their comments like "gender construct". Where the hell do they get a rational explanation for that idea???

Post: #5

Cultural constructionism is a 'god of the gaps' argument. There will always be behavior that we can't explain through biology, but what we've found as science has progressed is that more and more behavior is driven by genetic factors and hormones. They've already made up their minds to believe a certain thing, so they play games of semantics around the limits of our knowledge. This is not a scientific / rational approach.

Post: #6

Quote:I don't have an articulate counter argument because all I hear from this is whining white male privilege and therefore I just can't even.

She is like a caricature of a typical feminist.

Forget it, you can't teach someone who doesn't want to learn. She's not on there to have discussions, she's on there to have feels.

Post: #7

(09-04-2015 12:19 PM)demolition Wrote:  Cultural constructionism is a 'god of the gaps' argument. There will always be behavior that we can't explain through biology, but what we've found as science has progressed is that more and more behavior is driven by genetic factors and hormones. They've already made up their minds to believe a certain thing, so they play games of semantics around the limits of our knowledge. This is not a scientific / rational approach.

Interesting. And just what I had suspected. It's just funny how most "cultural construction" (e.g. religions, traditional societies) was designed to enhance humans and help them make the most of their biological state (i.e. religions and complementary gender roles), yet feminists place themselves in direct contest with natural laws, then try to ignore them altogether when faced with the scientific evidence. The "nature always wins" rebuttal is probably a good tactic to stick to.

Post: #8

Nuke her and burn it to the ground. Fair play is not existent with such cunts. Notice how her initial response was an attack as opposed to a counter argument?

If she doesn't like the patriarchy then why does she participate and use all the tools provided by it? Yes, males have higher status in the system because they built the system on centuries of collectively hard and iterative work. If by rape culture, she means the false rape accusation culture, etc.

On the topic of white male privilege, she is trying to discredit your opinion simply on account of being white. Own being a white male.

Women don't argue in fact because they respond to social perception, specifically shame. They argue in this manner and expect you to fold. You got a dick, right? Then be unwavering and tell her that her shame tactics won't work. Shame her by undercutting her arguments with fact and portray her as a monster for arguing the fact(s).

Her ilk is the most protected class society has seen in the last 200 years. She will turtle.

I will say though, you're better off just understanding how they argue, their tactics, and in this case, not responding. Online battles are useless but knowing how a female attempts to win is priceless.

Post: #9

Start with a different topic, such as humans having limbs, and get them to accept that limbs aren't a social construct.
Then ask them to explain how two men can reproduce. Then ask why not. Then ask if sperm and eggs are social constructs, and ask which group produces either. Then say "therefore gender isn't a social construct either right?".
They have to break a link in the logical chain to come to an opposite conclusion. Which ever link they break, you press into hard.
They'll then start personal attacks. You then press into that by pointing it out - that they're insane and thus have to attack others to silence them, in order to defend their ideas. Then make an example of a sane intelligent man and how he makes people believe what he thinks (e.g. water is wet).

Post: #10

Why even waste time arguing with feminists?

You have weights to lift, girls to approach, and money to make, at minimum.

Life's too short to argue with people who are set in their ways. That woman is shooting herself in the foot sitting on Tumblr all day talking about "privileged white thith male thcum" instead of hitting the treadmill, learning to cook, or going to charm school to restore the hollowed out shell of her femininity.

Live better. That's the best argument you can possibly have.

Post: #11

(09-04-2015 03:27 PM)eatthishomie Wrote:  Why even waste time arguing with feminists?

You have weights to lift, girls to approach, and money to make, at minimum.

Life's too short to argue with people who are set in their ways. That woman is shooting herself in the foot sitting on Tumblr all day talking about "privileged white thith male thcum" instead of hitting the treadmill, learning to cook, or going to charm school to restore the hollowed out shell of her femininity.

Live better. That's the best argument you can possibly have.

^^^^ Bingo Just because the internet gives every delusional Don Quixote ignoramus with a "cause" a voice doesn't meant they have to be listened to much less answered. Take solace in that stupidity is its own punishment

Post: #12

Arguing is a social construct.

Post: #13

I'm usually not a fan of messy threads like this with a lot of quoting, and I agree it's useless to argue with these people. I don't normally debate feminists, but I've documented a solid example here of how these SJW feminists will attempt to destroy you in an argument, and you guys have provided some key insights into the way they think, argue, and how to shut them up.

So, if you're interested, here's the script to my response to her race-baiting, gender-is-a-construct tirade:

Quote:My post merely reflects reality, and was not to insult anyone, only to raise awareness to the fact that men do often have it harder in the dating market, especially in a country like the USA where men are given mixed messages, and are treated like useful monkeys and little else. And yes, I did read the comments above, but those comments and your agenda that places itself in contest with natural laws do not change that reality. A little unbiased study of evolutionary-biology and hard science of sex and human nature (i.e. not the herd rhetoric your blank-slate professors drummed you with) reveals that reality. Gender Constructionism is a 'god of the gaps' argument. There will always be behavior that we can't explain through biology, but what we've found as science has progressed is that more and more behavior is driven by genetic factors and hormones. Personally, I am comfortable with this. My girlfriend and I love and celebrate our complimentary gender roles, lots of people do! It’s more fun than staring down the barrel of thousands of years of human evolution. I am not hurt by your racist slur; I take it as a compliment that I’ve spit some truth; and as an indicator that you’re probably not here to learn/debate, but to personally attack and have feels. Try to discredit my opinion simply on account of me being a white man? Alright-y then. If anything, my original comment resonates strongest with my non-European brothers who tend to be short in stature because of their ethnic genetics and thus find the dating market of multi-cultural America to be very challenging. Not to mention the well-documented fact that women of all stripes are statistically less likely to date outside their race/ethnicity than men are. But I don’t wanna turn a comments thread about male-female attraction triggers in a race hustle…

She responded back with a simple "well, my fiancé is Chinese, so at least I dodged the dating my own race bullet." Period, end of "discussion". Think I silenced her.

Post: #14

You can argue until you're blue in the face but it won't matter. You cannot hold a rational discussion with a feminist because you can't hold a rational discussion with women, homosexuals or low testosterone manginas. They cannot process logic.

Post: #15

(09-04-2015 07:11 PM)RIslander Wrote:  You can argue until you're blue in the face but it won't matter. You cannot hold a rational discussion with a feminist because you can't hold a rational discussion with women, homosexuals or low testosterone manginas. They cannot process logic.

That's true it's all about the feels. If you can't appeal to their feels in some way or another then they won't see your point at all. On the other hand if you make them feel something then they will react like a rat placing her tiny nose on the small button to release the cocaine laced pellet.

Post: #16

If you're in a trolling mood and want to see some heads explode, get teary eyed and start telling them about your best friend that is trans, and how that she KNEW from an early age she was woman, regardless of what society was telling her.

It's in Alin's Rules for Radicals, always ask your opponents to be consistent with their opinions.

Post: #17

Quote:How do you argue with Feminist/SJWs

First off why are you trying to argue on social media? You could be lifting/reading/studying/hustlin/pickin up a multitude of things.

Quote:I don't have an articulate counter argument because all I hear from this is whining white male privilege and therefore I just can't even.

You want a good response, "Good, then stop there".

Post: #18

Post: #19

Ask her, why has the science of biology determined that men have y chromosomes and women have x chromosomes which is determined before birth?

Then pose some form of the question " Would a rose by any other name would smell as sweet?"

Then watch the hamster wheel cycle as fast as it can.

Post: #20

You can't - and shouldn't - argue with people who are willfully blind to reality and who refuse to stay calm and reason.

Being reasonable means conceding that you are wrong when your points or premises are logically disproven.

Incidentally, one thing that makes RVF such a special place for men is the overwhelming spirit of reasonableness.

If you post something foolish or uninformed, there is a whole community of smarter, older, more experienced guys in just about any area of endeavor be it business, game, travel, fitness, etc., who can help you expand your understanding and challenge your (often incorrect) assumptions.

I've learned a tremendous amount from this community and have revised many of my beliefs and understandings with the help of other RVFers.

But SJWs are children.

They:

A) refuse to ever being wrong

...and more crucially

B) have a vested interest in their conclusions being right (or rather, they accrue benefits/attention/power when the majority believes their rhetoric and votes to institutionalize their corrupt worldview).

We can't beat these useful idiots with conversation.

They must be outsmarted, overpowered and crushed mercilessly.

That, frankly, is the only way.

All attempts to reason and negotiate with psychos is a tremendous misuse of energy.

Have you ever tried to argue with a girl when she's pissed you on a logical grounds?

How did that work out?

Now extrapolate that dynamic to the enemy we're fighting in the current culture war and it should be clear that strategy, overwhelming force and a certain aggression is needed to defeat these crazies.