Post: #1

A lot of people like to blame the liberals/the SJW's/Obama/Cultural Marxists, etc, for the decline in society, the standard of women, etc...and they would be mostly right, BUT I think nothing has been a greater force for the destruction of society than modern technology.

Let's pretend Republicans were the President since the 60's and you had had better immigration laws. You still would have had a spoiled boomer generation, and the rise of the smartphone and social media.

That's what's fucked up everything. In the 911 thread the OP says that society has declined more in 15 years than the previous thirty, and I would agree, but its because of the personal computer and personal cell phone.

This phenomenon has even effected the Muslim world. The vast majority of young Syrian men would much rather go to Europe while playing games on their cell phones than fight for their country.

Why? Because they see how much better life is on their phone, and find out about how to get there using the internet. Cell Phone's and computers have made everyone like a child.


This can't last can it? The millennial generation gets a lot of flack, there really are some great millennial's of every race, color, and creed, who, have got shit on by the way, and STILL rise above everything including less opportunity, young women who outearn on average them because of their pussies, bad ratios, and terrible social dynamics.

Having said that, the attitude of these young girls is unbelievable. There are a lot of exceptions (I find girls who actually have a job to be the most pleasant actually, easiest to pick up, most feminine, that's another thread) but on average, these girls are completely rejecting men from having high status in their lives, popping out 1.4 children and then expecting everyone to help them, then find out it doesn't work that way, and now their miserable. Almost every hot young girl in America is on that path. Not saying you can't bang them, but that's the path their on.

Colleges don't teach anything, young people have too much debt, the country has too much debt, this is going off the rails.

I can see it. I feel sorry for those who aren't preparing now.

Post: #2

Nikola Tesla would be ashamed of this post

Post: #3

So what do you suggest then, that we all go live in the forest in some Kaczynski-esque style?

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Post: #5

I think the OP is onto something but its our use of technology which is in my opinion a sign of something deeper.

Yes women treat their iPhones like pacifiers and it is disgusting.

It is insane to me that Syrians are running to Europe and while I have not been to war it seems extremely cowardly when the Kurds remain in their villages fighting ISIS.

What we are in the midst of is a generation of people who are searching for something to believe, and this generation is having a lot of trouble finding the right thing to believe. This is why you see people worshipping Atheism while at the same time seeing the explosive increase in Muslims, people cling to their iPhone reading Vox in search of something they can believe, the same reason you see so many people who still believe the shit spewed in Al Gore's documentary the Inconvenient Truth; they just haven't updated their belief system and the majority probably never will.

People have never had so many different POV's thrown at them and are struggling finding the true path. The majority of people are also just not that smart nothing you can do about it, nothing is stopping you from making the correct decisions.

Post: #6

I've referenced Desmond Morris's 'The Naked Ape' in a similar thread. Cut/paste and additions here as it's relevant.

His observations of the human race from a strictly zoological view were cutting edge back in the 60s. It's interesting to see how he links evolutionary advances from past millennia to how we behave today (in essence we have not evolved anywhere near as fast as our technological/societal gains). It's even more interesting to pick up where he left off, and ponder how the modern technology that he could not have dreamed of when he wrote this book is impacting upon us as race.

The Naked Ape', Desmond Morris Wrote:Fear has been expressed that the widespread use of perfected contraceptives will lead to random promiscuity, but this is most unlikely- the powerful pair-formation tendancy of the species will see to that.

What the hell would he have to say about Tinder?

Another interesting hypothesis is that we evolved to live in small community groups. Elsewhere in the book he asks if the growing size of cities and greater volume of communication would leave to more violence. Don't forget, the internet as we know it wasn't even being considered back then.

I'm a first generation interenet user, I remember it when it was in it's infancy (dial up, AOL and the Anarchist Cookbook). I use it in moderation. I wonder what being constantly saturated almost from birth will do to the next generation.

Post: #7

I agree with you on all fronts. Someone, maybe Zelcorpion, recently suggested reading “The Fate of Empires” which I cracked into yesterday. Holy hell, the work is a painful confirmation of what the ‘Sphere shouts about. We are often focusing on the micro trends and behaviors occurring, Glubb maps out the phases of ascent and descent on a macro level. The USA seems to have a cluster of traits from different periods that mark that different era’s of an Empire. We are experiencing the welfare, the immigration influx, the decadence, the complete domination of female interest interwoven with public policy, etc, etc. It seems that it only took one or two of these in the past to lead to imperial decline and they came in staggered timelines but we are somehow to continue limping along with all these weights holding the country down.

In respect to technology, I believe its solely mobile consumer technology that will accelerate the decline. A mobile phone takes a man and bombards him with unlimited distractions resulting in lack of focus. Focus is one of man’s primary strengths. A mobile phone has effectively become a tool of feminization. A stretch you say? 95% of all apps are social media, dating, or entertainment. It goes without saying why this is beneficial to maintain the status quo. The tipping point will be when the frustration and lack of fulfillment from attaining these little 21st century carrots of mainstream ideals are rejected. This is currently happening. Why do I care about dating if I don’t believe this society is best for my offspring? Why do I care about social media when most peers are brain dead? Why do I care about entertainment when I am constantly pissed off? I think these are subconscious questions brewing within quite a lot of people across many demo’s.

In other words, when we stop having use for society as it currently is, we stop having use for accoutrements of the time sucking technology. One way or another, the plug is being pulled on this form of society. I’d bet it will be a populace movement as opposed to the elites actively engaging in open battle. They have seen what happens when they send their koolaid drinking canaries to run interference in America and are scared shitless of the backlash that produced. That’s why they are actively trying to outgun us via population replacement. However, that most likely won’t work as immigrants are by nature very self-interested & will pack it in for self preservation.

Women, water takes the shape of the glass, idiots, aimless, overvalued, all things we know so no need to address.

Something that has helped me change my view on consumerist (FB, Instagram, etc) technology is that it was created by individuals with terrible social skills. Every time I use it, I fall into their frame on the view of the world. I like my version of the world better and this has helped me change some habits.

Post: #8

The decline is simple, men stopped acting like men.

Post: #9

Despite being an actor I don't care about - Ian Somerholder recently said it best.

http://www.cnet.com/news/driving-change-...nize-tech/

Quote:When you look down at your phone and it says 3G [service], and you say, "Oh, my God, it's just 3G," that is a disease. That is a 21st-century disease. That is not a good thing that we get so impatient. That trickles down to how impatient we are with our animals, with our kids, with our teachers, with people in traffic.

....

As much as I love trees and getting on my horse and walking in a field with my wife, I live for tech. I live for it. It's the future. I just want to humanize tech and I want tech to humanize us.

Post: #10

(09-16-2015 01:30 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  The decline is simple, men stopped acting like men.

"Of man there is little here: therefore do their women masculinize themselves. For only he who is man enough, will save the woman in woman." - Nietzsche

Post: #11

Lol, technology is pretty much the only thing in society that isn't declining. The decline in society is in spite of technology. It is caused by constitutional and cultural reasons, independent of the technology used in that cultural decay. Everyone has a smart phone dude. You think Russians don't have smartphones?

Post: #12

In the 19th century as industrialization progressed, a lot of writers decried the change in jobs to things that were considered "unmanly", i.e. the growth of paper-pushing type jobs.

This has been with us for a while.

Mobile tech is accelerating some things for sure, though. I mostly live in a rural area but when I go into the city and take the subway, I notice how 75% of people are looking at or playing with their phones. It's kind of weird when you think about it. (As I type this on a smartphone...)

Post: #13

Technology has just evolved way faster than our human biology. I think that's what is at the root of your frustration with tech.

It isn't even modern technology that fucks us up either, it's the way we use it. The human mind wasn't meant to process the amount of stimulation that gets thrown at it when a person goes on a social media binge or whatever. We don't have the mental facilities to be concerned with everything that's going on in every corner of the world. Humans are tribal animals.

When used correctly modern technology can help us to learn, build, and stay healthy way longer than nature would usually allow. However, when people go online just to bust their outrage nut modern technology is a destructive force.

As a whole humans think we are a lot smarter and more advanced than we actually are. Mankind is too caught up in it's own hype.

We are a lot more advanced than bears and wolves, but still when I look past the veneer of skyscrapers and modern medicine all I see are animals. Animals in suits. Animals in skirts. Animals out begging on the street.

Post: #14

The Decline of Society is due to the decline of society. Cultural Marxism created the welfare state and smashed the family unit. Smartphones and all the rest of it are just the shiny baubles that were thrown in for people to suck on like pacifiers.

Post: #15

(09-19-2015 07:05 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  It isn't even modern technology that fucks us up either, it's the way we use it. The human mind wasn't meant to process the amount of stimulation that gets thrown at it when a person goes on a social media binge or whatever. We don't have the mental facilities to be concerned with everything that's going on in every corner of the world. Humans are tribal animals.

I'd post the exact opposite. From a sensory standpoint, any day out in the woods is far more intense than anything except perhaps an IMAX film. What human's don't handle as well is the wide range of artificially induced emotions: lust, adrenaline rushes, narcissistic valication, etc. can all be had very easily from technology which short-circuits the parts of your brain that associate productive behavior with rewards.

Post: #16

(09-25-2015 08:47 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(09-19-2015 07:05 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  It isn't even modern technology that fucks us up either, it's the way we use it. The human mind wasn't meant to process the amount of stimulation that gets thrown at it when a person goes on a social media binge or whatever. We don't have the mental facilities to be concerned with everything that's going on in every corner of the world. Humans are tribal animals.

I'd post the exact opposite. From a sensory standpoint, any day out in the woods is far more intense than anything except perhaps an IMAX film. What human's don't handle as well is the wide range of artificially induced emotions: lust, adrenaline rushes, narcissistic valication, etc. can all be had very easily from technology which short-circuits the parts of your brain that associate productive behavior with rewards.

Are there any scientific studies you know of that confirm what you have just hypothesized? I feel like there is a need to experiment and explore the psychological effects of the incessant use of technology on humans. I certainly haven't read anything about it.

Post: #17

Technology is a tool. It is neither bad or good. It is just how it is applied. The printing press good for the masses bad for the elites. Some would debate it was good or bad because it allowed for certain books to be published. But the printing press itself is neither good or bad.

What technology has done is revealed to people who they are and what they are capable of. Back in the day limited technology (mainly just Internet) meant your social network was with the people around you. You couldn't stay in all day and surf and game. You probably to work. You would be forced to go outside and learn to interact with people you didn't like.

Now you are able to find "Friends" who think exactly the way you do online. So you never have to be challenged or learn to deal with discomfort. Or if you do you can just blabber some one way Twitter and never have to actually see the face of the person. But these cruelties were always possible within people. In the past they were socially conditioned to not reach the dark stuff inside of us. They were conditioned to cooperate.

I won't go into the value of the Internet and technology. Other than to say porn

Post: #18

I'd say that technology is the root cause of today's social decline. The number one reason is contraception. Number two is the ability for women to make a living wage in various paper pushing and social service type jobs. These are purely a result of technology, and drive 90% of the problems with women today. We blame feminism, but many women don't overtly subscribe to feminism per se. However, most women accept feminist principles on a piece meal basis, and these are driven by their individual day-to-day experiences.
When a woman examines her own prospects and opportunities, she naturally prefers to put off motherhood, and to seek a job, instead of getting married and devoting herself to a patriarchal husband. In the old days, sex led to pregnancy, and jobs to support life as a single woman were scarce, so marriage was the only available path.
I think this is a case where we'll never be able to put the genie back in the bottle. Women will always have access to the pill, and modern technology will enable careers that women can do well.

Post: #19

(09-25-2015 08:47 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(09-19-2015 07:05 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  It isn't even modern technology that fucks us up either, it's the way we use it. The human mind wasn't meant to process the amount of stimulation that gets thrown at it when a person goes on a social media binge or whatever. We don't have the mental facilities to be concerned with everything that's going on in every corner of the world. Humans are tribal animals.

I'd post the exact opposite. From a sensory standpoint, any day out in the woods is far more intense than anything except perhaps an IMAX film. What human's don't handle as well is the wide range of artificially induced emotions: lust, adrenaline rushes, narcissistic valication, etc. can all be had very easily from technology which short-circuits the parts of your brain that associate productive behavior with rewards.

I have to disagree with some of this even though comparing the woods to the web is kind of an apples to oranges comparison.

I wouldn't say being in the woods is ultimately more intense from a sensory perspective. Physically, yes, but not as far as data and information goes. There is a lot of sensory input in the woods, much of that is physical, different smells, sounds, textures, colors, etc, but wouldn't call it intense.

That's why being in the woods is so calming. You could choose to pick it apart and listen to every bird chirping and observe all of the different colors of leaves, but all you really need to worry about are the major deviations like if a large animal is rustling through the brush near you or a storm moves in.

Even then, the only information I am gathering is local. If I'm sitting on top of a ridge looking for game my world is confined to that spot. That's all I'm worrying about. I'm not taking in data from a different ridge in another country. If there are bears slaughtering campers in another country I don't know about it. I'm only concerned with what the bears are doing here.

My point is that the only stimuli I'm concerned with in the woods are the ones that are relevant to me. Most of that boils down to differentiating between threats and non-threats.

When you browse the web you are unmoored in a sea of information, most of which has little relevance to you. To a certain point you are still differentiating between threats and non-threats, but the data pool you are pulling from is much larger and that's the point I'm trying to make.

The human mind was not wired to pull information from that large of a data pool.

If you are smart enough to put limits in place for yourself you will get along in this new world. But the majority of people can't do that and get lost in a lot of shit that doesn't matter like pop culture. That's why it's so easy for elite groups to control everything even though the public has so much access to information.

Post: #20

The medium is the message.

I'm really interested in this topic. We really don't think about the societal impact before introducing new technologies to our society- it's just assumed that it's going to improve our lives without any costs. In part because it's so difficult- try putting yourself before the advent of the TV and being able to predict all the changes that it would cause to our culture.

Despite tech having more influence on our lives than ever before, most of the current tech-criticism is shit and the focus is far too narrow. This piece goes into that:
http://thebaffler.com/salvos/taming-tech-criticism

I would suggest people check out Neil Postmans work. Great scholar. Amusing Ourselves to Death, Technopoly, and Building a Bridge to the 18th Century are all great.








Marshall McLuhan is arguably the most influential critics of technology. Harder to read though. McLuhan dwarfs the crowd in their capacity to think about this subject in this video:

Post: #21

The condom and the pill were major game changers.

Post: #22

(10-04-2015 08:44 AM)pathoma Wrote:  I would suggest people check out Neil Postmans work. Great scholar. Amusing Ourselves to Death, Technopoly, and Building a Bridge to the 18th Century are all great.

Yeah, love Postman. Old school scholar and teacher. What a mensch.

Post: #23

All the guys crying about Smartphones, I bet are the same guys that have the latest Smartphones.

Post: #24

(10-04-2015 04:27 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  All the guys crying about Smartphones, I bet are the same guys that have the latest Smartphones.

...And use them for solid, locigal reasons such as calculating formulas on the fly, recording data, self improvement and making money.

Not Instafacepintwitgawk.

iPhone 4 here and no social media whatsoever.

Post: #25

Technology as others have said is only a tool. A tool which allows underlying societal characteristics to manifest themselves more clearly. So to blame it merely on technology is short sighted. Basically like any tool, you can use it to increase output, or minimize input. Use it to accomplish greater things, or use it to be lazy.

The average smart phone has more computing power than the computers that put men on the moon. I forget where I read the quote, but it went along the lines of "I have a device in my pocket that can access the sum total of human knowledge. Instead I use it to get into arguments with strangers and look at pictures of cats". You don't have to do that. You could use it to better yourself. The fact that some people don't speaks to other underlying issues.

And to play devils advocate for a moment, is RFV that different? Men communicating more efficiently, ultimately with the goal of bettering themselves within their realm? (financial, physical, women etc). Previously it may have been men's clubs, the barber shop, the range etc. Within the female sphere, social stuff like gossip, relationships etc. has always been the currency of their realm. What used to happen at the hair salon now occurs more efficiently on facebook.

In the same way men here try to gain an edge financially or with women, women do the same with facebook so they can be the first to say "OMG did you hear...!".