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The evil empire of Saudi Arabia is the West’s real enemy

Quote:Saudis are active at every level of the terror chain: planners to financiers, cadres to foot soldiers, ideologists to cheerleaders

YASMIN ALIBHAI-BROWN |

Sunday 27 September 2015 20:36 BST|

Iran is seriously mistrusted by Israel and America. North Korea protects its nuclear secrets and is ruled by an erratic, vicious man. Vladimir Putin’s territorial ambitions alarm democratic nations. The newest peril, Isis, the wild child of Islamists, has shocked the whole world. But top of this list should be Saudi Arabia – degenerate, malignant, pitiless, powerful and as dangerous as any of those listed above.

The state systematically transmits its sick form of Islam across the globe, instigates and funds hatreds, while crushing human freedoms and aspiration. But the West genuflects to its rulers. Last week Saudi Arabia was appointed chair of the UN Human Rights Council, a choice welcomed by Washington. Mark Toner, a spokesperson for the State Department, said: “We talk about human rights concerns with them. As to this leadership role, we hope that it is an occasion for them to look into human rights around the world and also within their own borders.”

The jaw simply drops. Saudi Arabia executes one person every two days. Ali Mohammed al-Nimr is soon to be beheaded then crucified for taking part in pro-democracy protests during the Arab Spring. He was a teenager then. Raif Badawi, a blogger who dared to call for democracy, was sentenced to 10 years and 1,000 lashes. Last week, 769 faithful Muslim believers were killed in Mecca where they had gone on the Hajj. Initially, the rulers said it was “God’s will” and then they blamed the dead. Mecca was once a place of simplicity and spirituality. Today the avaricious Saudis have bulldozed historical sites and turned it into the Las Vegas of Islam – with hotels, skyscrapers and malls to spend, spend, spend. The poor can no longer afford to go there. Numbers should be controlled to ensure safety – but that would be ruinous for profits. Ziauddin Sardar’s poignant book Mecca: The Sacred City, describes the desecration of Islam’s holiest site.

Even more seriously, the pernicious Saudi influence is spreading fast and freely. King Salman has offered to build 200 mosques in Germany for recently arrived refugees, many of whom are Muslims. He offered no money for resettlement or basic needs, but Wahhabi mosques, the Trojan horses of the secret Saudi crusade. Several Islamic schools are also sites of Wahhabism, now a global brand. It makes hearts and minds small and suspicious, turns Muslim against Muslim, and undermines modernists.

The late Laurent Murawiec, a French neocon, wrote this in 2002: “The Saudis are active at every level of the terror chain, from planners to financiers, from cadres to foot soldiers, from ideologists to cheerleaders.” Murawiec’s politics were odious, but his observations were spot on. Remember that most of the 9/11 killers were Saudi; so was the al-Qaeda hierarchy.

In the 14 years that have followed 9/11, the Saudis have become more aggressive, more determined to win the culture wars. They pour money into Islamist organisations and operations, promote punishing doctrines that subjugate women and children, and damn liberal values and democracy. They are pursuing a cruel bombing campaign in Yemen that has left thousands of civilians dead and many more in dire straits.

So, what does our ruling establishment do to stop the invisible hand of this Satan? Zilch. The Royal Family, successive governments, parliamentarians, a good number of institutions and people with clout collectively suck up to the Saudi ruling clan. I have not seen any incisive TV investigation of this regime. We know it is up to no good, but evidence is suppressed. Some writers have tried to break this conspiracy of obsequiousness. Craig Unger’s book, House of Bush, House of Saud was published in 2004. It established beyond reasonable doubt that Saudi Arabia was the nerve-centre of international terrorism. And that the Bush family was unduly close to the regime. Many of us believed the revelations were even more explosive than those by the journalists Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward, who exposed the lies told by Richard Nixon.

This deadly enemy will not be cowed or stopped by Trident. Our leaders know what is going on. So what do they do? They pick on the small people. The Government’s Prevent programme now imposes a duty on educators to watch out for young “radicals” and nip them in the bud. Older dissenters, too. To date, 4,000 young Muslims have been referred for reprogramming. One was three years old. In May, a young Muslim schoolboy talked about “eco-terrorists” and was taken away to be interrogated about whether he supported Isis. Academics, lawyers, doctors and nurses are also expected to become the nation’s spies. Mohammed Umar Farooq, a student at Staffordshire University, was accused last week of being a terrorist because he was reading a book entitled Terrorism Studies in the library.

In the US, 14-year-old Ahmed Mohamed was arrested because he took a home-made clock to school. (Richard Dawkins, these days a manic tweet preacher, questioned whether the clock was part of a “hoax” designed to get Mohamed arrested, before backtracking.) The West, it seems, is free only for some. And to be a Muslim is a crime.

Extremism is a serious problem. Westernised, liberal Muslims do try to influence feverish, hostile young Muslim minds, but we are largely powerless. Our leaders will not confront Saudi Arabia, the source of Islamist brainwashing and infection. They won’t because of oil and the profits made by arms sales. Political cowards and immoral profiteers are the traitors, the real threat to national security, patriotism and cohesion. How do they answer the charge?

This comment reflects how I feel about the article:

Quote:CarlitoM
Well this article was doing great until it got to Ahmed the clock-boy reference. This child committed a bomb hoax on his own high school and is is NO WAY a victim of racial profiling or anti-Muslim bigotry. What should concern this writer is the massive apologism that followed not only from our national media but the President himself. Something very wrong with the state of our press if that's the level of truth their telling.

What do you guys think about this article? What can the west do combat Saudi Arabia?

Apparently the UK thought the US was considering invading Saudi Arabia in 1973:

British spies in 1973 warned of U.S. plans to invade Arab lands

Quote:LONDON (AP) — British spy chiefs warned after the 1973 Arab-Israeli war that they believed the United States might invade Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Abu Dhabi to seize their oil fields, according to records released Thursday.

A British intelligence committee report from December 1973 said America was so angry over Arab nations' earlier decision to cut oil production and impose an embargo on the United States that seizing oil-producing areas in the region was "the possibility uppermost in American thinking."

Details of the Joint Intelligence Committee report were released under rules requiring that some secret documents be made public after 30 years. The report suggested that then-President Nixon might risk such a drastic move if Arab-Israeli fighting reignited and the oil-producing nations imposed new restrictions.

The 1973 embargo and production cuts, used by oil-rich Arab nations as a means to pressure the United States and Western Europe, caused a major global energy crisis and sent oil prices skyrocketing.

The committee of intelligence service directors calculated that the United States could guarantee sufficient oil supplies for themselves and their allies by taking oil fields in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Abu Dhabi, with total reserves of more than 28 billion tons.

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The truth and nothing but the truth. A truth that won´t change anything.
The spice must flow.

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"Westernized, liberal Muslims" like her, who describe themselves as feminists and are basically Islamic SJWs, are inauthentic and trying to twist their own inherited culture and religion for leftist political purposes. They will always fail against the unrelenting, aggressive and masculine Wahabbist movement, just as the inauthentic SJWs of the West are failing against it.

Notice that the only people who resist them well are those with strong identities and confidence (like the Israeli Jews) in who they are and where they come from.

Her whiny, degenerate liberal democratic critiques of the Saudis comes off as weak compared to the critiques radicals have of them. Accordingly, they will not play well in the KSA or in most of the Middle East. Everyone knows the Saudis are corrupt and have been saying as much for the longest time. Most people know that they, like Pakistan, speak out of both sides of their mouths on these issues.

The real problem is not that they do this in their region (I wouldn't give a shit if it was just confined to the Middle East), but that we get involved and we allow these people to come to America and Europe as Trojan horses.

Post: #4

Saudi is a cancer on the Earth.

The sooner their oil runs out the better.

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Here is an idea from both General Sun Tsu and Niccolo Machiavelli...

The enemy of my enemy is my friend...

The Sunnis are financing ISIS and enabling their black market oil sales...

The Sunnis are behind the Islamists invasion of Europa - better 3 million desperate radical military aged men invade deviant degenerate decadent Europa and bang their women into Sharia submission than flood into Saudi Arabia.

The Saudis are light framed Bedouins whose physiques are optimized by evolution to live and ride and survive for thousands of years in the heat of the great Arab deserts.

The Persians are the descendants of the great mounted warrior horsemen of the Armies of Genghis Khan and many carry his genetic markers they are much tougher fighters that the slightly built desert Arabs...

Encourage the Russians and their Iranian allies to launched a massive Shia pincer move against the ISIS Sunnis and their Saudi sponsors coming in from Syria to the west and Iran and Shia Iraq to the east and crush ISIS and then rein in the Islamists with Putin and his Shia allies the Persians with China already making nice nice with Tehran due to their own islamist Uighur problem - then we negotiate deals with Putin and China and Tehran to the US economic benefit first.

Screw the Obamunist SJW LGBTQ Feminist social justice war mongers and bring stability to the Middle East through the iron fists of Russia, China and Iran to the out of control Arab ISIS Radical Wahabbi Sunni Spring countries form Saudis to Morrocco.

Post: #6

Saudi-Arabia is weak. Our politicians are the real traitors.

Post: #7

These guys are survivors. I don't agree with how they run their society or their foreign policy. But apparently it works for them and has worked for thousands of years.

Their form of religious puritanism is oppressive to me, and I think their foreign policy is driven by self-defeating sectarian considerations.

On the other hand, I was thinking recently about just how wily these bedouin Arabs are.

You have to give them some credit, whether you like it or not. I'll give them some grudging respect.

They have survived for thousands of years, and kept their language, culture, and folkways largely intact. Everyone else was absorbed or conquered, but the desert Arabs are still there.

No one else in the region can say this, not even the Jews.

There is a lesson to be learned here, guys. Don't rail against these guys. Learn what you can from them.

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I'm not sure what that lesson is beyond the obvious: if you have enough money and oil you can make other nations your bitches.

Post: #9

I suppose these are the lessons:

1. Preserve your language, culture, heritage, and social system despite the modern world and its technology.
2. When you don't have lot of military power, ally yourself with someone who does.
3. Don't allow foreign contamination to destroy your way of life.
4. Use your resources to your best advantage.

Post: #10

(09-30-2015 01:30 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  Everyone knows the Saudis are corrupt and have been saying as much for the longest time. Most people know that they, like Pakistan, speak out of both sides of their mouths on these issues.

The real problem is not that they do this in their region (I wouldn't give a shit if it was just confined to the Middle East), but that we get involved and we allow these people to come to America and Europe as Trojan horses.

Exactly it's a given, my response to this article was "Fuck duh, idiot !"

I'm Paki/Indian and I agree with this, they seriously suck off the Taliban and the US. Paki's government is retarded, and there's always the next coup. They STILL struggle with democracy.

I'm not sure why we're importing people that hate us and conspire to see us fall. We should only be letting ones in that actually help our economy.

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I'm with QC. I despise their way of thinking but give them grudging respect. They are not really a cancer but more of a clever parasite. Hence why even the Ottomans couldn't conquer them fully when they subjugated everyone else.

Tread with caution and with Pakistan as their allies nukes are not out of hand so they can take people down with them. An effective strategy to deal with them is force them into isolation like Imperial China before The Opium Wars. Eventually they will fall behind. Their power is simply through influence.

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I linked this in the Invasion of Europe thread, I bring this up to give a friendly suggestion as I had to learn: use archives for the author.

She herself is emblematic of why diversity and multiculturalism are bad. And this can be seen in the article when it stops talking about Saudi Arabia and pretends Muslim citizens are being unduly victimized by the West. All she can cite is the overreaction by authorities.

Meanwhile she clearly hates white people. It's not even terribly opaque.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasmin_Ali...Criticisms

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/06/...t-species/

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The thing is, before their oil was discovered, the actual benefit of their total subjugation was 0.

What's the point is totally conquering some dudes that ride camels and harvest dates?

They're just lucky, not particularly wily.

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(09-30-2015 04:28 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  The thing is, before their oil was discovered, the actual benefit of their total subjugation was 0.

What's the point is totally conquering some dudes that ride camels and harvest dates?

They're just lucky, not particularly wily.

There was good reason. The same reason Britain and France established unfair treaties with the Ottomans forcing them to pay in valuable metals. Saudis for centuries held key routes to the East allowing them to stock up on valuable metals due to their control over merchants. They simply just pointed the Imperialists in the direction of the Ottomans by claiming they had more and that they themselves were just nomads.

They are slick bastards and experts in guerrilla warfare. Couple that with dogmatic religion and you have a plague on the world.

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(09-30-2015 04:28 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  The thing is, before their oil was discovered, the actual benefit of their total subjugation was 0.

What's the point is totally conquering some dudes that ride camels and harvest dates?

They're just lucky, not particularly wily.

Consider this.

The Arabian peninsula traditionally had access to some strategic ports in the Red Sea and in the Persian Gulf (or Arabian Gulf, depending on who's talking). They did have some trading access to India.

South Arabia also had coffee, spices, and a few things not that important today.

But no one ever subdued these tribes and clans. Got to give some respect for that.

Even the great Romans, who defeated everyone, could not get into Arabia. In fact, the big expedition sent there to conquer South Arabia ended in total failure.

Arab guides double-crossed the Roman army led by Aelius Gallus and led it into traps. Then the desert and geography did the rest of the work on them. Read about the expedition here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aelius_Gallus

These guys know who to protect their interests. Longevity counts for something.

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Maybe.

I think we (the British) had pretty much controlled these peasants before WW2 broke out.

Post: #17

^^^

Their rulers voluntarily agreed to become vassal states of the British Empire, and this situation persisted until the 1960s. (Especially Oman and the Gulf States). But they never adopted British ways or allowed colonization.

They bend with the wind. Now that the Americans are running the show---for now---they are American clients.

Who can say what the future may hold?

Post: #18

Can't disagree with that.

They know how to survive, that's for sure.

Post: #19

(09-30-2015 04:49 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Consider this.

The Arabian peninsula traditionally had access to some strategic ports in the Red Sea and in the Persian Gulf (or Arabian Gulf, depending on who's talking). They did have some trading access to India.

South Arabia also had coffee, spices, and a few things not that important today.

But no one ever subdued these tribes and clans. Got to give some respect for that.

Even the great Romans, who defeated everyone, could not get into Arabia. In fact, the big expedition sent there to conquer South Arabia ended in total failure.

Arab guides double-crossed the Roman army led by Aelius Gallus and led it into traps. Then the desert and geography did the rest of the work on them. Read about the expedition here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aelius_Gallus

These guys know who to protect their interests. Longevity counts for something.

The Romans never did too well against the Persians, in fact the Persians once captured a Roman Emperor -Valerian.

Quote:Valerian (/vəˈlɪəriən/; Latin: Publius Licinius Valerianus Augustus;[1] 193/195/200 – 260 or 264, also known as Valerian the Elder, was Roman Emperor from 253 to 260 AD. He was taken captive by Sassanian Persian king Shapur I after the Battle of Edessa, becoming the only Roman Emperor who was captured as a prisoner of war, causing instability in the Empire.

Quote:Eutropius, writing between 364–378 AD, stated that Valerianus "was overthrown by Shapur king of Persia, and being soon after made prisoner, grew old in ignominious slavery among the Parthians.".[8] An early Christian source, Lactantius, thought to be virulently anti-Persian, thanks to the occasional persecution of Christians by some Sasanian monarchs,[9] maintained that for some time prior to his death Valerian was subjected to the greatest insults by his captors, such as being used as a human footstool by Shapur when mounting his horse. According to this version of events, after a long period of such treatment Valerian offered Shapur a huge ransom for his release. In reply, according to one version, Shapur was said to have forced Valerian to swallow molten gold (the other version of his death is almost the same but it says that Valerian was killed by being flayed alive) and then had the unfortunate Valerian skinned and his skin stuffed with straw and preserved as a trophy in the main Persian temple. It was further alleged that it was only after a later Persian defeat against Rome that his skin was given a cremation and burial.[10] The captivity and death of Valerian has been frequently debated by historians without any definitive conclusion.[9]

As for the Arabs, they were on the periphery of both empires, so it was probably easier to control them as client states rather than directly conquer them over the years.

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"The Romans never did too well against the Persians, in fact the Persians once captured a Roman Emperor... " -- this sounds remarkably like the feminist's culture war. I jest.

How did Alexander the Great do it?

Post: #21

(09-30-2015 09:47 PM)Sexus Wrote:  "The Romans never did too well against the Persians, in fact the Persians once captured a Roman Emperor... " -- this sounds remarkably like the feminist's culture war. I jest.

How did Alexander the Great do it?

Superior tactics, high moral as he led the charge and from the front, excellent teacher in the form of Aristotle, he didn't forcibly convert the culture of conquered peoples/instate new system of governance as he kept the bureaucracy present intact(horrible long term move but he died young so who knew what was to come), insane bravado and confidence(possibly god complex/megalomania), very healthy in life until he met his end, and taking revenge for the fallen King of Persia.

Post: #22

Saudi Arabia considers military option against Al Assad
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arab...-1.1592496

Post: #23

Today the Russians launched an airstrike against anti Assad rebels who it appears had CIA embeds who got about a one hour warning to beat feet which caused John Kerry to freak out at the UN today...

All the while the Saudis appear to be playing the Russians off of the USA ... against the middle.

This isn't a Roman army that will get lost in the sand - both the Russians and USA are flying highly sophisticated supersonic attack fighters not to mention US Drones... now Saudis want to back ISIS Sunnis against Assad Shias backed by Russia - about to get real intense.

The numbers of ways this could turn out bad for and backfire on the Saudis as a giant fuster cluck will be interesting to watch...

Post: #24

(09-30-2015 03:02 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  These guys are survivors. I don't agree with how they run their society or their foreign policy. But apparently it works for them and has worked for thousands of years.

I'd point this out as being people who are "miraculous victors of historical happenstance."

A lot of people don't know that Thais also weren't colonized and were adept at playing factions and invading nations off each other to retain sovreignty in some respects.

This doesn't make them military geniuses or cultural superiors as many amongst their own seem to want to believe. It's all just sheer luck and you'll always have outliers. Saudi Arabia and its royalists are such outliers and geography played a huge role.

However, they aren't any such military or strategic geniuses in my opinion..they are just lucky. A lucky people who won the black gold lottery and used it to enrich a small number of elite who engage in fuckery around the world. This is why it's confusing when people always bring them up as being successes. They are degenerates..resource mongers and ideological terror seekers who never got their proper come uppance.

The younger generation also forgets these same inbred sand retards living off the lottery tried to hold the world hostage with OPEC back in the day too.

Post: #25

What would Saudi Arabia be without Muhammad?