Post: #1

An M.D. from the U.S. is a pretty big deal in foreign countries. I know it's accepted in a lot of places. I don't feel like spending a decade after finishing school on internship/residency/fellowship.

I am not going to become some surgeon married to his job working 60 hours a week. The idea sickens me because no matter how much it pays, there's no free time.

What about forgoing any specialties and getting some kind of job in a foreign country where they'll worship me for my high status M.D. from the U.S.?

How much success can a medical school graduate from the U.S. have in a foreign country?

I know I probably won't get paid as much in the U.S., but I'll happily accept that lifestyle if it means more free time and better women.

Any info on any specific country?

Thoughts?

Post: #2

Speaking from what I know.

Sweden
+ The extensive health care system means there's always demand for MDs. You can pick and choose where you'd want to stay
+ VISA will be in your hands within weeks
+ With a minimum of game you will pull truckloads of ass
+ Strong unions = you will never do more than 50h/week TOPS.
+ Malpractice suits are extremely rare
- You won't be making as much money as you would in the US
- Public hospitals means you'll be working on a well scrutinized budget, don't expect 3 hour steak lunches billed to the job
- Expect to be drug tested every year or so

Post: #3

blurb,

what makes you think being an MD from the US is something special abroad ? And where would that be ?

Keep in mind that without specialisation, you are nothing as a physician in most countries of the world, those times are long gone.


The best option out there is to chose the right specialty, so no surgery/cardiology etc... rather derm optho, rads, nuk, radiation oncology, psych....


How far are you in med school ? I'm a German MD fresh out of med school. Most docs are sad creatures with no social life and hobbies. I hate that life style.

Post: #4

Hej Vicious,

I'd move to Sweden in a heart beat. The problem I see is this...you're not going to get a job in Göteborg or Stockholm just like that. Most foreign MDs only get jobs in smaller towns at first. You can always try to improve later on but to land a job in Stkhlm being fresh off the boat without any work experience in your field is just not realistic.

Don't know if I could live in Umea or Karlskrona...you can hear a pin drop in these towns ( although I've seen more babes in Karlskrona in one day than I have in my town in a month,lol).

Post: #5

(06-21-2011 06:48 AM)sheesh Wrote:  Hej Vicious,

I'd move to Sweden in a heart beat. The problem I see is this...you're not going to get a job in Göteborg or Stockholm just like that. Most foreign MDs only get jobs in smaller towns at first. You can always try to improve later on but to land a job in Stkhlm being fresh off the boat without any work experience in your field is just not realistic.

Have you tried applying or scouted the market? From reading the news here I'd think the demand for MDs was so high that hospitals can't afford to be picky. I believe you'd have it even tougher in Germany, Austria or Switzerland that are countries who hold hierarchy high.

Quote:Don't know if I could live in Umea or Karlskrona...you can hear a pin drop in these towns ( although I've seen more babes in Karlskrona in one day than I have in my town in a month,lol).

The thing with these 3rd tier cities though is that you'd be even more hot on the market. Go for a university town like Umeå and you'd have so much snatch that when you die they'll bronze your cock and put it in a museum.

Post: #6

There is a shortage of Specialist doctors in Sverige, not so much of junior doctors fresh from med school, I learned.

The only exceptions: if you want to do family medicine/psychiatry, then you might have a chance in bigger cities, otherwise you'll be moving to the sticks as a foreigner.

Finland on the other hand really is looking for MDs...but learning Finish may be even harder than going through med school, lol.

Post: #7

Docs n brazil do very well...USA style $

Post: #8

Are you willing to learn a new language? That determines a lot. If not u r stuck with E-only places which are generally shit.

As for non english places...good luck training as an MD in the USA then getting used to inferior resources elsewhere.

So your plan isn't looking good

A better option is do something with flexibility like an er doc then attack foreign women on holiday

Post: #9

Why bother working overseas? just work less in your home country where the taxes are favourable. Work for 6 months, take the other half off etc.... Good luck dude!

Post: #10

(06-29-2011 12:09 AM)tomtud Wrote:  Why bother working overseas? just work less in your home country where the taxes are favourable. Work for 6 months, take the other half off etc.... Good luck dude!

Won't work...you either work 60h/week and more or not at all as a doctor in training...that's the problem.

Post: #11

(06-21-2011 06:38 AM)sheesh Wrote:  what makes you think being an MD from the US is something special abroad ? And where would that be ?

I wasn't thinking of a developed, rich, industrial, western country. More like Eastern Europe and Latin America, although Sweden was a surprise. I've actually heard from a person currently in med school that there are places that allow you to practice medicine straight out of med school, but those places are usually poor and in dire need of doctors.

Quote:I'm a German MD fresh out of med school. Most docs are sad creatures with no social life and hobbies. I hate that life style.

Me too.

Quote:Docs n brazil do very well...USA style $

Like how?

Quote:Are you willing to learn a new language?

Dude, I already speak another language--a Slavic language. I'm confident that I can master one more, if not all the Slavic languages.

Those languages have a similar root, like French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian have their roots in Latin. I knew a woman from Puerto Rico who said that she could understand Portuguese because it sounds so similar to Spanish. That's how it is with me. I can understand like half of what Polish, Russian, and Czech people speak.

As for Spanish, I really believe that I can learn it.

Quote:Why bother working overseas? just work less in your home country where the taxes are favourable. Work for 6 months, take the other half off etc.... Good luck dude!

Good idea. That's what some Indian doctors in the U.S. do. They spend like 3 months during the summer in India. But like sheesh pointed out, it's not likely going to happen if you're a junior doctor/resident.

Post: #12

Its good to see some docs/med students on this forum. I feel like we have to tailor our game to the types of women we are around more often.

Post: #13

(07-06-2011 01:52 PM)Feo Wrote:  Its good to see some docs/med students on this forum. I feel like we have to tailor our game to the types of women we are around more often.

Cool, me too. I was actually thinking of starting a thread specifically related to pre-meds, meds, residents, docs, junior docs, etc. and the problems/issues we face but wasn't sure how many guys on the forum are actually trying to get in/are already in the field.

If more guys show interest, then I think it's definetely an excellent idea to start a thread where we can all benefit.

I think the much of the advice given on the forum is directed towards guys in the business field, but this doesn't mean that I can't learn anything from them.

Post: #14

Hi everyone. This is my first post. I'm also a future doctor. Right now I'm in a 1yr post bac program that links to medical school.
I'll have to admit, the past week, I have had serious second thoughts, but its more or less too late now. I came to this program as a non trad student, aged 31. I will be 40+ finishing up residency.
I don't think there's anyway to get around the lifestyle compromises that are a part of medicine.
To make it worthwhile, you have to really, really be interested in what you are doing.
Pre med and med school are hard. Residency is harder. Being an attending is even harder, unless you pick a lifestyle specialty or are content with being mediocre. I have been mentored by a prominent surgeon and an oncologist. They both work and study constantly. One (the surgeon, who when he isn't working is always doing retraining or studying) has a bit of a messed up home life, the other is a superhuman genius who somehow can do everything.
I don't know how people in here are talking 60 hr weeks...every one I know in residency now puts in the maximum 80hr average, and sometimes more.
I want to do surgery badly, enough so that I am still wiling to sacrifice everything, but thinking about what that life will be like for the next two decades and more (until I am senior enough and have enough experience that going on medical missions is practical), makes me ill.
Also, unless your parents are paying for medical school, and you do medical school in the USA, it is not practical to go abroad.
Good luck paying back 200,000+ in loans on what a doctor makes outside the USA.
As far as nailing medicine chicks, the only thing I have found that is reliable and different from normal game, is to target the women who seem overwhelmed with stress for whatever reason. Get them out, or over to your place for a movie, feed them a couple drinks, then nail them.
I don't know, I am having a down week, too much work, no exercise. I will probably see things in a different light after I go for a swim soon. However, if my bank account was fatter, I would be sorely tempted to head for the airport and move back to Brazil, Peru, or Europe.
I will freely admit that I have been a lurker on this site for a while, and used to think Roosh was a bit of a tool, but I do give him so grudging respect for pulling off the indefinite living abroad thing without relying on his parents. I still think he is a bit harsh on America, and a bit neurotic, but I am open minded, and the answer is different for different people.
My main concern right now regarding my continued path into medicine, is do I desire it for itself, because I am truly interested in the practice of medicine, or am I motivated by the way I perceive that it will change me.

(07-06-2011 09:59 PM)blurb Wrote:  

(07-06-2011 01:52 PM)Feo Wrote:  Its good to see some docs/med students on this forum. I feel like we have to tailor our game to the types of women we are around more often.

Cool, me too. I was actually thinking of starting a thread specifically related to pre-meds, meds, residents, docs, junior docs, etc. and the problems/issues we face but wasn't sure how many guys on the forum are actually trying to get in/are already in the field.

If more guys show interest, then I think it's definetely an excellent idea to start a thread where we can all benefit.

I think the much of the advice given on the forum is directed towards guys in the business field, but this doesn't mean that I can't learn anything from them.

Post: #15

@Dr. Who. You sound burnt out. Yeah, you sound like you're losing sight of the big picture. I've been there. You just need a fresh perspective. Maybe travel, swim harder, be a mentor yourself. And don't stress about age, my mom didn't even get into medschool until she was 36.

@blurb. We should definitely start a thread for us guys in health and the sciences. I think the girls in these circles are almost entirely different creatures with their own set of strengths and insecurities that we can probably all expand on.

Also to have a place where we can talk about our own issues. For example, I have some trouble calibrating how much I have to "tone down" or "turn up" my asshole vibe in some professional situations. "Not giving a fuck", worked fine and got me lots of girls in highschool and college. But these days I find myself wondering if it is moral, ethical or responsible for me to "not give a fuck". Any of you guys have some insights?

Post: #16

To the poster who sounds like he doesn't want to do a residency-- If I've got you right how the hell are you going to know what you're doing?

The title and degree don't make you an accomplished practitioner.

Until you see 1000 patients or so you have no idea how theory interacts with the real world.

Also, locum tenens is big, you definitely CAN work when you want and then disappear as long as you leave them happy for your next slot.

Post: #17

(07-09-2011 07:50 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Also, locum tenens is big, you definitely Can work when you want and then disappear as long as you leave them happy for your next slot.

^^^ This ....... Locum Tenens is definitely the way to do it and keep your travelling Lothario life, You are not tied down to a single place yet you still have the ability to work in an area from few weeks to few months.

You get paid more compared for 8-10 hrs of work compared to if you are working at a hospital with a 9-5 job plus calls etc

@ Blurb: I finished residency several years ago and worked in almost every kind of business model and Locum Tenens fit the bill......

As far as US Board Certified Physicians in other parts of the world, yes you will be able to find a job in almost any corner of the world but if money is a concern then unfortunately USA is you best bet as Pussy yield is very low here in US if you are a run of the mill doc who works 60 Pllus hrs/week.......

Who says you have to work 60 plus hrs, You can tailor a lifestyle you want work 3 days a week or 5 days a week or work 6 weeks and take 6 off, Off course the Scietal pressure is there for you to live in a mansion and drive an expensive Imported car but Fuck the Society, you do what you want to do..........

Yet again you want to pay off your loans 200,000 Plus , Not easy, first 2 yrs after finishing residency do Locums , Live below your means , Locums is the way to go , Hell there are Locums available in Austarlia, NZ and England ...............................

Agree with other posters when they say Doctors do not have Interesting personalities b/c they do not have the time to develop that personality, intersting hobbies, Finding time away from medicine is very Imp if you want Punani, Locums give you the ability/time plus you are exposed to a differnet set of RN's etc at diff hospitals you will be visiting

Fellas I am all for starting a thread related to Medical Field, I can go on and on.............

PM me if you any questions , I will happy to give you advice from my humble experience

Game on fellow forum Brothers ............