Post: #1

In this article I’ll review findings from two different studies. The first is on the responses women give about their sexual behavior when connected to a lie detector versus not being connected to one. The second study is about sexual regret differences between men and women.

Women Lie About Their Number Of Sexual Partners

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In this community we’ve long known women have no trouble being deceitful if it suits their needs. Nowhere is this clearer than the domain of sex. “I’m not going to sleep with you,” “I’ve never done that before,” and “I’ve only had sex with two guys” are just a few of the many lies any man in the game has heard multiple times.

In a study at Ohio State University, researchers used a lie detector to determine if it would influence responses to different types of behaviors. The respondents were heterosexual college students in the Midwest, aged 18-25.

Women not connected to a machine gave these answers:

• Age at first intercourse: 16.36
• Number of sexual partners: 2.70
• Number of one-time sexual partners: 0.82

Women connected to a lie detector gave these answers:

• Age at first intercourse: 16.15
• Number of sexual partners: 3.35
• Number of one-time sexual partners: 1.01

As we can see, women’s numbers increase for each answer when they were connected to a lie detector. In fact, women have 41% more sexual partners than men. Men in the lie detector condition reported having 1.96 partners on average compared to 3.35 partners for women. Feminists claim that women are sexually oppressed and shamed by society, but the numbers don’t show it.

If this is how they behave with the supposed “patriarchal” restrictions, we can only imagine the amount of cock they’d seek out if these shackles were lifted. Revealed preference has shown that women not only have more sex than men, but they also lie about it.

The researchers also investigated other types of behaviors and participant responses. They found that there was no difference in the responses given for other types of common, non-sexual behaviors. Only in the domain of sexual activity did women lie.

Women need to be shown how to behave. Right now they’re getting their behavior cues from feminism and the media, which tells them they should have lots of casual sex and in their early thirties give their calloused womb to a man who patiently waited until the seventh date to have sex.

Without an incentive to be truthful, women will present a tidied up version of their sexual history. Keep this in mind when interacting with them, and understand that they have told multiple lies to conceal their joy ride on the cock carousel.

Women Regret Their Slutty Past

In a different study, researchers recruited 200 participants to determine if sex differences existed concerning sexual regret. First, the participants were asked to list their top five life regrets, top five action and inaction regrets, and top five romantic or sexual action and inaction regrets. Next, they read two different scenarios. In the first two scenarios, they read about an actor who either encountered an unexpected opportunity to have casual sex, or missed an unexpected opportunity to have casual sex.

The casual sex scenario emphasized that the actor never saw his or her sex partner again. The scenario with the missed opportunity for casual sex emphasized the interest of the person the actor could have had sex with.

The actor in the scenarios matched the sex of the participants and each participant rated their beliefs about the regret experienced by the actor, followed by their own regret if they were to find themselves in the scenario on a 9-point scale (1 = no regret; 5 = moderate regret, 9 = extreme regret).

Results

For casual sex, women assigned a regret level of 8.89. Men gave a rating of 5.

For missing a chance at casual sex, men gave a regret level of 7.40. Women have a rating of 3.

So what does this mean? For men, it means to take action. For women, it means to stop spreading your legs or you will become regretful and bitter. It also shows the reality that women have many more opportunities for casual sex than men, something they rarely take into account when shaming men for learning how to improve their sex lives. They have little regret at missing a chance for casual sex because they know there’s always another shiny cock around the corner.

Another interesting finding was the differing items on the Top Five Sexual Regrets list for men and women. This data was taken from an anonymous online survey of thousands of men and women:

Men

1. Too shy to indicate sexual attraction to someone
2. Was not more sexually adventurous when young
3. Was not more sexually adventurous when single
4. Did not experiment enough sexually
5. Cheated on past or present partner

Women

1. Lost virginity to “wrong” partner
2. Cheated on past or present partner
3. Relationship progressed “too fast” sexually
4. Unsafe sex
5. Sex with a stranger

Our culture has encouraged women to sit on as many dicks as possible, setting them up to regret their slutty sexual past leaving them unfit for motherhood. As a man, you can see that you will have your share of regrets as well if you don’t take the steps necessary to improve yourself and play the field as a young man, so that you will no longer have regrets when you wish to settle down. Years from now, you won’t remember the rejections, only the times you didn’t take action.

We have seen that women have more sex than men, lie about how many men they’ve had sex with, and later live to regret it. Our culture has created a situation where women are encouraged to behave in ways that are damaging to themselves. These findings support what our community has known for a long time: Women lie about their sexual history and regret their slutty past.

Read More: Should Women Get To Decide What Men Find Attractive?

Posted on Sun, 03 Jan 2016 21:00:21 +0000 at http://www.returnofkings.com/76042/scien...al-history
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Post: #2

The numbers from the study confirm my suspicions are true. Rather than following the famed 'women's total number of sex partners is three times that of what they admit', but instead it's average to a third more than they want to admit. It's a sizable difference, but not the outrageous claim that many men prescribe to.

Post: #3

(01-03-2016 04:56 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  The numbers from the study confirm my suspicions are true. Rather than following the famed 'women's total number of sex partners is three times that of what they admit', but instead it's average to a third more than they want to admit. It's a sizable difference, but not the outrageous claim that many men prescribe to.

That finding lined up with my intuition as well. Multiplying a girl's notch count by 3 didn't seem based in reality.

Post: #4

I can't blame them much. If I were a nice girl, I would lie about having slept with me also.

Post: #5

So the average woman has 3.35 partners?

And your conclusion is she's a "lying slut?"

Let's look on the bright side - the average woman only has 3.35 partners. Far less than guys embittered by the "red pill" would assume.

I get that it's dishonest, but given that I'm well into the triple digits at this point, I think that's a lie I can accept. If she's had even a third as many lovers as me, on the other hand, well, then we've got a problem.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #6

His assertion is that the lie is between 2.70 average partners and 3.35. Not sure that makes her a slut, but it does suggest lying.

Also note that the study was performed on Midwestern college students aged 18 to 25. So it doesn't include coastal women, nor women older than 25. (This may not matter to you personally, but the point is that it doesn't represent the average American woman.)

Finally, it may be possible that the women in this study are not including certain types of sex, including handjobs, maybe blowjobs, possibly anal penetration, and remotely, one-night stands or vacation sex. But maybe they or the study authors figured out a way to include some or all of these. I could at least see handjobs not being included.

Remember: "A key that opens many locks is a good key. A lock that opens for many keys is a bad lock."

Post: #7

(01-04-2016 08:09 AM)262 Wrote:  His assertion is that the lie is between 2.70 average partners and 3.35. Not sure that makes her a slut, but it does suggest lying.

I understand the assertion completely.

It's the slut part that needs some rethinking.

Yes, there are plenty of women who have higher numbers. However, most red pill guys spewing "truth" will have you believe all women are the same and are riding the cock carousal behind closed doors. As far as I'm concerned, it just isn't so.

Guys who run so much game they start thinking all women are sluts conveniently forget all the time they were turned down. They assume it's a numbers game where if you just hit on enough sluts, a percentage of them will fuck you and even the ones that didn't were just sluts that didn't want you specifically. This approach gets results, but the conclusion ignores a lot of other variables and possibilities.

For many players, this unfortunately leads to being jaded and bitter because you want to believe women can be better. I've been there myself. The more women you bang the less you trust women. Even the most accomplished players on this forum sometimes express that they wish there was another way...

For me, 3.35 is a very modest number (I assume guy #3 just had a giant cock or something) I could live with. Of course it's not universally applicable, but it's encouraging, and I think I've been around the block enough times to weed out the worst of the bullshitters.

(01-04-2016 08:09 AM)262 Wrote:  Also note that the study was performed on Midwestern college students aged 18 to 25. So it doesn't include coastal women, nor women older than 25. (This may not matter to you personally, but the point is that it doesn't represent the average American woman.)

Yes, but it means you can increase your odds of not ending up with a slut by filtering for all the usual warning signs (assuming you're into relationships). Sure, this study shows women are dishonest, which I imagine our forefathers just accepted as an amusing fact of life, but let's look at the glass half full - it also shows there are plenty of women out there not getting banged to smithereens.

Midwestern women who don't go to the club every Friday, as you inadvertently pointed out, may be a good place to start. There are plenty of other very obvious filters.

For the record, I'm mid-30s and I don't really want to date women over 25, so as far as stats like this are concerned, that's the only demographic I'm concerned with.

(01-04-2016 08:09 AM)262 Wrote:  Finally, it may be possible that the women in this study are not including certain types of sex, including handjobs, maybe blowjobs, possibly anal penetration, and remotely, one-night stands or vacation sex. But maybe they or the study authors figured out a way to include some or all of these. I could at least see handjobs not being included.

Damn, buddy.

You're very committed to your worldview if you recieve this type of information and you start debating whether handjobs were included in the notch count... haha

If I find out a virgin I've got on deck for marriage has done the completely natural act of wanking a few of her boyfriends off, I'm personally not going to scratch her off the list for that.

Not that I'm invested in trying, but I doubt there's a stat that could ever change your mind.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #8

Yeah, I'm not asserting 3.35 average partners (under whatever definition) makes a woman a slut. But I also won't assert that this alone makes a woman an angel. If given a choice - which albeit is hard to come by - I'll take 0, 1, or 2 over 3, in that order. If I work hard to become above average, I'd be selling myself short for an average woman. But at the same time, I'm not perfect, so I can't expect a perfect girl.

Agree that there are obvious filters you can employ if you're looking for a relationship-quality girl. But I say let's look at the glass as 50/50, and be realistic instead of pessimistic or optimistic: the study only shows that women are dishonest from 2.70 to 3.35. Is that a big gap? Are those numbers themselves big? Most importantly, what do those numbers mean? The study does not answer these personal/moral questions. For me, the answers are no, no, and "assume nothing about any one particular woman until revealed - do not rely solely on 'plenty of women out there not getting banged to smithereens' nor rely solely on 'they all are on the cock carousel.'"

And yes, I stated that I could see handjobs not being included because in my personal view, that's sex for middle-schoolers, at worst. But I could see some guys including it, especially if the girl has wanked off a lot of dudes (unlikely in my view, but not impossible).

Most importantly, I won't hold it against guys who want complete and utter virgins. I will say that may take quite a bit of searching though. But I will hold it against guys for marrying girls with higher than average partner counts. We need to stop rewarding people - men and women - who can't control themselves. Demand excellence of yourself and then others, not mediocrity or failure.

Post: #9

(01-04-2016 09:33 AM)262 Wrote:  We need to stop rewarding people - men and women - who can't control themselves. Demand excellence of yourself and then others, not mediocrity or failure.

Fortunately women won't stop rewarding men who can't control themselves any time soon.

Curious about your comment, though. Do you feel like men should refrain from sleeping with too many women as well? Regardles off my personal history I don't completely disagree with it, but it's certainly a unique perspective around here, so I felt inclined to ask.

What's your own history with women? Have you "controlled" yourself?

Or did you mean something else by that entirely?

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #10

I actually meant it in a more general sense than notch count (such as personal finances), but I would apply it to guys' notch counts as well.

Of course, that's no excuse for a guy not to put in the work to try and get laid. In my view, that's a man's biological purpose.

But based on the anecdotes of guys ahead of me, such as Roosh and Krauser, I can see that like some of the other positive experiences I've repeatedly done (traveling, skiing, jerking off ... lol), if you do it too much, it loses its magic.

Obviously, based on that, you can infer that my history with women is such that they haven't lost all their magic for me. But, as you can also probably see from my posts, my history with women is also such that they aren't 100% "sugar, spice, and everything nice" to me either.

And I can feel some of the loss of that magic. A Polish 7 who pretty much meets my criteria for an LTR seems to be slowly luring me into her trap - that bitch! (lol) But there's a tiny part of me that sees other women and is just like, "goddamn it." (Okay, that part is probably my penis, which I refuse to call tiny ... or maybe that's just what my penis is telling me)