Post: #1

*dox defense*

Post: #2

Basically you have to get really angry, I mean REALLY build up that rage in order to go Super Saiyan. Look for a super villain wherever you're at and really piss him off so he does something sociopathic that sets you off. I know it sounds dumb but that's the way others have done it before, like this guy:





One side effect you should be aware of is that your hair turns blonde and eyes green.

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Back to your post, do you think a personal trainer is absolutely necessary? There's already a lot of resources in the weightlifting subforum for cutting down body fat. If you can't find something specific, you can always ask.

Post: #3

(01-19-2016 08:41 AM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  Basically you have to get really angry, I mean REALLY build up that rage in order to go Super Saiyan. Look for a super villain wherever you're at and really piss him off so he does something sociopathic that sets you off. I know it sounds dumb but that's the way others have done it before, like this guy:





One side effect you should be aware of is that your hair turns blonde and eyes green.

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Back to your post, do you think a personal trainer is absolutely necessary? There's already a lot of resources in the weightlifting subforum for cutting down body fat. If you can't find something specific, you can always ask.

I have a cute Filipina/Spanish mix over and I'm not ashamed to admit that your post directly led to us spending half an hour watching clips from Cell fight Nostalgia's a helluva drug.

Absolutely necessary? Maybe not but I don't know enough about gear and everything that goes into a successful cycle to comfortably get started right away so I'd feel much better with someone that knows their shit in my corner to optimize my results. I won't have this kinda time to put into the gym again for another three years so I wanna get the biggest possible aesthetics bang for my buck over the next five months. I consider anything that'll ease the pain of leaving SE Asia and going back to the States completely worth it.

Post: #4

If you do a cycle be aware that your body will be out of whack for a while. Like once you stop shooting test and go on pct, your body's natural testosterone production may be low for a bit which will lead you feeling awful which may screw with your ability to work hard in this potentially life-changing contract.

I'm not a steroids naysayer but when dudes talk about doing a cycle like its nothing I feel the need to warn them.

Post: #5

+1 for the angryness

Post: #6

I don't like to see guys "cycle" but since you are, you better have an AI on hand and make sure you have the necessary PCT drugs. You'll also want some HCG to make coming off a little easier.

Lastly, you do not show a very healthy respect for hormones. This is where all the problems usually begin...

Post: #7

If you "don't know your maxes", think you need a personal trainer to tailor your workout regime, and are at 17% bodyfat you shouldn't be doing a cycle. There's no point in doing a cycle when you don't already have the basics down. I've seen plenty of people try to take shortcuts and do a cycle when they weren't working out optimally before ("its 3 months to summer! I need to get huge!") and without exception they lost all of their gains very quickly after finishing the cycle.

Steroids used correctly are for when you've already done 18 months+ of very solid training, and you're trying to push yourself to the next level. My experience is that anyone who can't commit to 18 months of training probably won't be able to commit to a proper cycle and PCT.

In your position I'd advise doing an 8 week cut to get your bodyfat down to 12%, then doing mini-bulking/cutting cycles for the following 3 months to try to put on some mass while maintaining low bodyfat. This is mainly because if you're about to enter a stressful work environment your diet and exercise will suffer for the first few months, meaning you'll gain a few % of bodyfat. This will be less damaging if you begin the job at a lower level. Better to go from 12% back to 17% than 17% up to 22%.

Post: #8

You clearly have very little knowledge about training, and have not demonstrated any knowledge about nutrition. No trainer worth their salt is going to put you on, or help you through, a steroid cycle until you are at least passingly competent at lifting and eating. Your goals are not ridiculous, in that they could be achieved naturally in a relatively moderate time frame. It's your life to fuck up, but it seems like madness to be so ready to put your long term health in the hands of a stranger on the internet. You don't even have a reliable source for procuring the supplements you want to take. Your post, and your overall approach, are a mess. I suspect you would get very little out of a steroid cycle and be left disappointed by the results.

Post: #9

Your T is really low for your age.

I see two possibilities:
1) You have a legitimate endocrine problem.
2) You are eating crap, not sleeping enough, doing too much booze/drugs, under a lot of stress or a combination of all of these.

In the first case you belong in the hands of a knowledgeable TRT doctor, not on a cycle. Post cycle recovery could be terribly slow or you might face permanent shutdown.

In the second case, you are likely not disciplined enough to train, eat and rest properly to get the maximum out of your cycle. Moreover, as Zatara pointed out, you are likely to halfass your PCT. And if you resume your current lifestyle after your cycle (or worse, with the added work stress) you will quickly lose your gains and might recover very slowly.

Post: #10

Coming off a steroid cycle while starting a new project in a new country sounds like a terrible idea. Not to mention, your first cycle should always be weak until you can see how you react and come off it. Read up more on it and maybe revisit that idea when you are back 3 years from and more educated.

Post: #11

I don't recommend steroids.

If you're looking to put on some muscle, here is a very simple formula. This is very basic bodybuilding.com kind of information.

Take your bodyweight and multiply it by 16-18. This is your daily calories.

For protein, eat 1 g per pound of bodyweight per day.

Keep fat at around 20% of your daily intake (15%-25% range or so).

The rest are carbs.

If you don't put on a pound a week, then up your calories by a measly 200.

So here is an example for a 175 lb man.

2800 calories
175 g protein
62 g fat
385 g carbs

Use myfitnesspal to figure out how much is in what you're eating.

If you want to cut, dial back on the training and multiply your bodyweight by 10-12 to figure out daily calories (12 on training days, 10 on nontraining days). Also up your protein by like 1.5g per pound of bodyweight. If you want to cut faster, read the rapid fat loss thread and feel free to shoot me a PM.

Judging by your bodyfat percentage, I recommend cutting first until you hit 10% and then eat at a surplus.

As far as training, it looks like you have been doing a lot of rep work. You could probably stand to gain strength and size from a 5x5 program and then switch gears a couple months down the road. Pick your 10 rep max and just add 5-10lbs every workout until you can't. When you get bored of that go back to doing whatever it is you were doing.

If you can really squat 5x10r at 215 in the backsquat, assuming you're not bullshitting us and doing quarter squats, I would not be surprised if your max is hovering around 300 lbs.

Post: #12

Great thread title by the way. + Over 9000 for the Dragon Ball Z reference.

Post: #13

delete

Post: #14

*Dox Defense*

Post: #15

*Dox Defense*

Post: #16

We could be body doubles, my natural weight is 140-145 lbs at 5'11" and 11-12% bodyfat. I've got the same super thin frame with fairly broad shoulders and a small waist - your proportions look exactly like mine in your pictures. And I think this kind of weak bone development is definitely an indication of a weak endocrine system.

At least, I have endocrine problems and no it is not with T.
As a result I have erectile dysfunction at age 28 and pushing my T above 1000 ng/dl for weeks at a time doesn't help it at all.

That's why I advise you to see a reputable doctor (not just a random doctor, but a HRT specialist like John Crisler, Romeo Mariano, Nelson Vergel,...) and get a complete blood panel. It's better to get to the root of the problem right now than to push through and crash in a couple of years.

Post: #17

DD

Post: #18

^Don't worry, but think carefully before you proceed.

When you posted your initial T numbers, I suspected that you might have a weak endocrine system.
Now that you posted that information about your physique, I suspect it even more.

By a weak endocrine system, I don't mean that it doesn't function.
Because it does function properly, under optimal circumstances.
However, there's a chance your endocrine system responds very poorly when it is stressed e.g. high work stress, less than optimal nutrition or sleep, a strenuous workout regime or post cycle recovery.
This becomes more severe as you age. You might not notice it at 24, but it could be very real at 26.
I think these are the people who are prone to suffer from things like adrenal fatigue, chronic fatigue syndrome, post-finasteride syndrome, or permanent shutdown after a steroid cycle.
And that is why I recommend the complete blood panel.

Don't skimp on it - go to a top doctor and get a complete checkup (maybe also including a 24h urine test for detection of metabolites). I've got only two biomarkers (out of a hundred+) that are off and for a normal doctor or endocrinologist I'm in perfect health. I was even told by one that erectile dysfunction in your twenties is fairly common and nothing to worry about as long as viagra works (my ED is not psychological).

As for the doc in Asia, I've got no idea. In the US, Crisler, Mariano and Vergel are highly regarded names. Beware, the complete check up + doctor consult will likely cost hundreds or even 1k+ dollars.

Post: #19

(01-20-2016 01:49 AM)PhDre Wrote:  ^Don't worry, but think carefully before you proceed.

When you posted your initial T numbers, I suspected that you might have a weak endocrine system.
Now that you posted that information about your physique, I suspect it even more.

By a weak endocrine system, I don't mean that it doesn't function.
Because it does function properly, under optimal circumstances.
However, there's a chance your endocrine system responds very poorly when it is stressed e.g. high work stress, less than optimal nutrition or sleep, a strenuous workout regime or post cycle recovery.
This becomes more severe as you age. You might not notice it at 24, but it could be very real at 26.
I think these are the people who are prone to suffer from things like adrenal fatigue, chronic fatigue syndrome, post-finasteride syndrome, or permanent shutdown after a steroid cycle.
And that is why I recommend the complete blood panel.

Don't skimp on it - go to a top doctor and get a complete checkup (maybe also including a 24h urine test for detection of metabolites). I've got only two biomarkers (out of a hundred+) that are off and for a normal doctor or endocrinologist I'm in perfect health. I was even told by one that erectile dysfunction in your twenties is fairly common and nothing to worry about as long as viagra works (my ED is not psychological).

As for the doc in Asia, I've got no idea. In the US, Crisler, Mariano and Vergel are highly regarded names. Beware, the complete check up + doctor consult will likely cost hundreds or even 1k+ dollars.

I appreciate the info man I'm definitely gonna get in touch with one of these doctors and get a complete check up done. It looks like Vergel offers online consults ( http://excelmale.com/NVcoaching/ ) so I may be able to get all of his recommended testing done here, send him the results, and then get in touch with him via Skype. This seems like my best course of action.

Post: #20

You can make a ton of gains with 3 days a week to lift.

Post: #21

It's possible to bulk on a 3 day split if you eat enough, sleep enough, supplement properly etc.

I'm guessing you're doing bro splits now? You'd be surprised how effective three-day and four-day splits can be. I switched to a three-day split to save time initially but my lifts went up and I made gainz (I also went into a calorie surplus and got on dat dere Cell Tech then so YMMV).

For your situation (I am in the same boat since I work in video post-production and long hours are the norm), 45 minute workouts three times a week with mostly compounds would be best.

If you can swing a four-day split, rotating upper/lower would be a good one for bulking/building muscle also.

Post: #22

(01-21-2016 12:36 PM)eatthishomie Wrote:  It's possible to bulk on a 3 day split if you eat enough, sleep enough, supplement properly etc.

I'm guessing you're doing bro splits now? You'd be surprised how effective three-day and four-day splits can be. I switched to a three-day split to save time initially but my lifts went up and I made gainz (I also went into a calorie surplus and got on dat dere Cell Tech then so YMMV).

For your situation (I am in the same boat since I work in video post-production and long hours are the norm), 45 minute workouts three times a week with mostly compounds would be best.

If you can swing a four-day split, rotating upper/lower would be a good one for bulking/building muscle also.

I've been doing 3-day bro splits but I'm in the gym six times a week so I'm hitting everything twice a week.

Day 1 Chest/Tri/Front Delts
Day 2 Back/Rear Delt/Biceps
Day 3 Legs/Side Delts

I guess I've been doing high volume with little gains for so long that I was starting to think continuing to gain working out three times a week was impossible. That's encouraging, thank you.

Post: #23

That about mirrors the PPL program I'm doing now for cutting season, except I have front and side delts on push day.

For about half of my last bulk (which was 3 months total) I was doing Push/Pull/Leg/Arm and for the other half I did a rotating UL split (upper, rest, lower, rest, upper, rest, lower, rest, repeat), both 4-day splits. Sometimes less is more; you'd be surprised at what lowering volume and upping the intensity can do. Low volume, high intensity, mostly compounds with a couple isolations thrown in. I was on a 5 day bro split and stalling out before I changed up my routine.

Here's a sample:
Push - Dumbbell bench press, ab machine, dumbbell incline bench press, dumbbell decline bench press, alternating front/lateral raises or OHP, tricep pushdown
Pull - Bent over barbell row, barbell rack pull, barbell curl, barbell shrugs, cable crunch/face pull/cable hammer curl (tri-set), chin-ups
Leg - Barbell front or back squats, one-legged dumbbell calf raise, leg press, Romanian deadlifts, hanging or captain's chair leg/knee raises (superset), lying ham curls
4 sets of 8-10 each exercise, should take 45-60 minutes each day.
This is basically what I'm doing now except I'm doing dumbbell floor presses and weighted push-up variations instead of bench and reverse-grip lat pulldown instead of chin-ups due to shoulder issues. 12 minutes of cardio on two rest days and 15 minutes of rotator cuff work on one rest day. 4 hours a week, anyone can spare that.

Here is a sample Upper/Lower workout:
Upper A: Dumbbell bench press, bent over barbell row, barbell rack pull, dumbbell incline press, alternating front/lateral raises or OHP, cable crunch/face pulls (superset), chin-ups
Lower A: Barbell front or back squat, calf raise machine, Romanian deadlifts, ab machine/kettlebell russian twists (superset), lying ham curls
Upper B: Dumbbell floor press, bent over dumbbell row, ez-bar preacher curl, dumbbell decline press, alternating front/lateral raises or OHP, cable crunch/face pulls (superset)
Lower B: Deadlifts, one-legged dumbbell calf raises, leg press, seated ham curls, ab machine, lying ham curls

Longer workouts, but that's cause you're hitting the entire upper and lower body.

Also, just a word of caution completely unrelated to the gym - if you're going to work so much that even getting to the gym is hard, make sure it's for your business or something entrepreneurial, not for another company. You'd be shocked at how quickly even a company you spent years working your ass off for will throw you under the bus when it benefits them to do so. I don't know the specifics of this project you got coming up, but from personal experience, if you're gonna work that hard, make sure it's for your own advancement.

Post: #24

Awesome post, thanks. I'm gonna hold off on the Test for now and reevaluate after getting more blood work done and dropping my BF down to 10%. As far as the project goes, I own the business and the land that it's sitting on so no worries there, good lookin' out though.

Post: #25

Easy use the hyperbolic time chamber, you can do a year's training in one day. For recovery take a sensu bean immediately after.