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I want to know what careers you guys would suggest to a 26 year old guy with a couple bogus diplomas (not STEM) and 0 networks in my city for a 'real' job.

I did the whole school thing, racked up debt but found the manosphere a little later than I wished. I worked in my field (recreation, mind numbing easy work for no cash) for a year before I quit and became a professional poker player. I've got a little money saved up and living expenses are low so I'm in no danger of going belly up. However the writing is on the wall for poker, I won't be able to make any real money in 2-3 years (I will always be able to make $20/hour at the lowest stakes) so I will never go broke but I want to make some real money.

A lot of places around the sphere suggest sales, or making my own business. I wish I was slimy enough to make a blog and become a 'life coach' like some, but it's not in my blood.

Where and how do I start in sales? Should I simply go to a used car lot and try my luck there? Would I have more long term success in a B2B model? At the moment I am flipping through craigslist without much idea and how to move forward.

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If there's a field you'd like to go into, but need training for, the military might be a good option - they basically pay you to take their training.

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(01-19-2016 04:30 PM)Pareto Wrote:  Or you could re-train yourself in a different career area? Some jobs require industry-related examination passes, and these can be wholly completed in 2 years (or the first part in 6 months - it all depends on how quickly you're willing to learn). There are some good paying jobs out there in the world of finance that you can get into with this sort of thing (some of them are hugely commission-based with very long hours, but hey it's money), hence why that's my backup plan if I fail to secure a graduate job at uni

Such as? I am fairly intelligent and I have some school certifications but I am not interested in shelling out 30k to go back to school and 'waste' a couple of years. I don't know what skills or certifications are needed for a 'finance' job. I will look around for a mentor to help me in this search.

@262, there is no field that really interests me. I've had success in coaching youth sport but it's not mainstream enough for there to be real career options in Canada or the world.

I feel like I am 'behind' when it comes to skills and contacts in the real world. I don't have the time or resources to crank out a STEM degree so what certifications can I chase? Should I really start looking into trades/IT? They don't 'fit' me.

I am trying to figure out my skills and go from there.

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I know quite a few people that make a lot of money in sales. This includes staffing as well. High end car lots.

Sadly without a degree I don't know of any high paying jobs you can jump right into.

Connection also help, but if you have a bogus degree from a crap school I don't know if that will apply.

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I've sold cars. It's a decent way to get some intense sales training.

It's easy as hell to get into.

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^^^Yeah car sales is easy to get into. Sales in general is great as you a.) Make money and b.) Learn a skill.

My suggestion is I would recommend finding a full-time decent paying gig for 40hrs/week or so, and then spend your remaining hours on your business/side hustle. In a few years when your business takes off you'll be solid.

As for making money online, don't start a blog--the ROI is abysmally low. A good option is to learn a skill, become a freelancer, and get down to business.

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(01-19-2016 06:34 PM)jake1720 Wrote:  I know quite a few people that make a lot of money in sales. This includes staffing as well. High end car lots.

Sadly without a degree I don't know of any high paying jobs you can jump right into.

Connection also help, but if you have a bogus degree from a crap school I don't know if that will apply.

I have a degree it's just from a silly major. Recreation management, some basic level business stuff and how to run programs at a recreation centre. Some very small amount of transferable skills but it's not an industry I want to work in again.

All middle aged women, my mind goes numb without challenge. Getting paid $30/hour to be a cashier would make me jump off a bridge

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(01-19-2016 08:33 PM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  ^^^Yeah car sales is easy to get into. Sales in general is great as you a.) Make money and b.) Learn a skill.

My suggestion is I would recommend finding a full-time decent paying gig for 40hrs/week or so, and then spend your remaining hours on your business/side hustle. In a few years when your business takes off you'll be solid.

As for making money online, don't start a blog--the ROI is abysmally low. A good option is to learn a skill, become a freelancer, and get down to business.

I have a couple of acquaintances who could probably get me a job at a couple car dealerships. I wasn't going to start a blog, leaning towards learning copy.

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(01-19-2016 10:42 PM)RustyShackleford Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 06:34 PM)jake1720 Wrote:  I know quite a few people that make a lot of money in sales. This includes staffing as well. High end car lots.

Sadly without a degree I don't know of any high paying jobs you can jump right into.

Connection also help, but if you have a bogus degree from a crap school I don't know if that will apply.

I have a degree it's just from a silly major. Recreation management, some basic level business stuff and how to run programs at a recreation centre. Some very small amount of transferable skills but it's not an industry I want to work in again.

All middle aged women, my mind goes numb without challenge. Getting paid $30/hour to be a cashier would make me jump off a bridge

If you don't mind quite a bit of networking to get where you want shoot me a message. There are quite a few industries you can get into sales that are high paying with only a basic degree.

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Dude - read the airline datasheet I posted. No degree required, a couple of months time, a course and an exam. Solid money as well.

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Since you have a 4 year degree and assume have the looks and personality for sales go to careerbuilder.com and monster.com and look for some decent entry level sales resumes yes right out of college. Craigslist has a lot of boiler room type operations expecting you to make 500 calls a day. Corporations like to get young guys and mold them to their selling style and methodology and look for associate sales reps/execs (entry level) - do the corp dress for success thing and get into a major Corporation's sales training program typically 4 to 6 weeks and then they put you to work. They are a bit more forgiving with new guys making their quarterly budgets and you get on a good account sales team and should be able to do more than $50K USD year one and ramp up quickly thereafter... I know one guy owns a direct mail fulfillment business and pays his two top reps over $250K a year - in a company with only 200 employees - Corp sales training and a few years experience opens up a wide horizon of opps with smaller businesses as well.

Pick the industry you are interested and the geographical area and just go for it search for Sales Exec jobs and then apply online for the jobs that interest you.

Retail is being devoured by on line sales - Walmart is closing more than 250 stores...

Every Fortune 1,000 firm needs to make sales and they are always hiring and training new blood - the world is your oyster... a few years in Corporate Sales or as a Sales Engineer is great training for your own business. All businesses must make sales to survive and thrive. Sales is one of the careers not likely to be offshored to China or India and an athletic young man with a firm handshake and integrity is not likely to be replaced by robots - even robots need to be sold.