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Now the finest educational institutions in America are taking the most radical SJW talking points on the internet to the real world by verbally debating that the only way to end white privilege is for whites to commit suicide. This video has been shared almost 100k times so hopefully more people are realizing how crazy leftists are and how there is no appeasing them if your a "privileged class" short of killing yourself. The fact that this dialogue is going on in Harvard, the number one University in America, should make it clear to even the most nonobservant and unaware citizen that something is deeply wrong with the state of higher education in the West.

Quote:Miguel Feliciano, along with fellow West Georgia student Damiyr Davis, reportedly participated in a recent debate with other students at Harvard University.

During an exchange with their opponents, Feliciano suggested that white people should kill themselves because of their “white privilege.”

“White life is wrong,” Feliciano was quoted as saying by Infowars.com. “Our argument is that we should never affirm white life. White life is based off black subjugation.”

When a white debater asked Feliciano whether he should commit suicide, Feliciano said “I don’t see why not, it’s ethical.”

When the white debater suggested that it might be better to remain alive and fight the social forces that promote “white privilege,” Feliciano rejects the notion.

“Struggling against the structure means putting yourself on the line, putting your body on the line, do it. Affirmative suicide, that’s cool, it’s one little step in the right direction,” Feliciano said, according to Infowars.com.

Ironically, the debate topic was supposed to be about renewable energy.

“The black debaters simply ‘chose’ to point out their opponents’ skin color and begin advocating genocide,” reported InvestmentWatchdogBlog.com. “They expressly stated that these were their ‘sincere beliefs,’ not just an argument to win a debate.”

Feliciano and Davis are not some anonymous student crackpots posing as serious debaters.

They form a respected two-person debate team that took second place at the 2013 Cross-Examination Debate Association Nationals, according to Infowars.com.

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Post: #2

This is no surprise.

Post: #3

The Ivy's have gone from the best of the best to breeding grounds of angry bigots bent on genocide? Just a normal progression from what they've been giving us.

Post: #4

Given that they are leftist assholes, they would be doing us a favor if they followed their own advice.

Post: #5

The title is a touch misleading. The Harvard students weren't the ones positing that whites have some sort of duty to commit suicide. That point was advanced by the students from the University of West Georgia, one of whom (Feliciano) is the main speaker in the video. The Harvard students are on the other side and appear not to agree.

There's a lot of madness in academia these days, and that lack of sense pervades elite schools as well. Delusion runs rampant - a lot of these kids are in island utopias of liberalism (almost literally the most liberal institutions in the most liberal places they could possibly find in the USA) with tons of money, a great pedigree, and the armor of perceived intellectual supremacy and cultural influence. That kind of insulation breeds a kind of progressive mindset that is particularly divorced from reality. They live in a bubble - their institution is a virtual echo chamber, a space where they merely affirm and confirm viewpoints they already hold. They are as dogmatic and irrational as the opposition (conservatives, who usually are described as folks who live far far away in some backward, unfortunate place devoid of anything good and certainly vastly inferior to places like Cambridge where people have "sense") they claim to despise. And the worst thing about their ignorance is that they're entirely unaware of it - they bask in that ignorance, assigning to themselves a sense of moral superiority they never earned. They're guilty of the same crimes (ignorance, lack of awareness, dogmatic demonization of the opposition, maintenance of uninformed opinions, etc) as their opposition, but act as though they are much better.

High test scores are common in these spaces, but common sense is severely lacking. That is life in much of the modern Ivy League (particularly at Harvard, which is arguably the least conservative Ivy).

All that being said, even these kids aren't quite daft or delusional enough to advance a point like this ("white life is wrong" and "affirmative suicide is good"). They've got a lot of nonsensical and uninformed opinions to offer, but they are not stupid enough to consider this kind of thing a valid argument and they do not make it. The kids promoting this foolery represent the University of West Georgia, not Harvard.

Ivy League progressivism may be delusional, but it is nowhere near this pathological on a whole...yet.

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If you're white and living in the US, read and absorb (and follow) John Derbyshire's sound advice.

It should really be common sense by now.

Post: #9

I actually don't have a problem with what the student said. It's provocative and offensive, which is perfectly fine.

Universities should be places where edgy or controversial statements can be made, just to explore ideas.

The problem is that only the leftist side of the political sphere can make those kind of statements.

Post: #10

The video is highly edited, thought it's hard to imagine a context where those comments were appropriate I'd rather see the full video. According to the link, it's been deleted, but maybe it will turn up if this gets passed around more.

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(03-16-2016 11:21 PM)Lucky Wrote:  I actually don't have a problem with what the student said. It's provocative and offensive, which is perfectly fine.

Universities should be places where edgy or controversial statements can be made, just to explore ideas.

The problem is that only the leftist side of the political sphere can make those kind of statements.

I actually agree with you, universities should be a place to explore new ideas, it's just that being anti white is not provocative or offensive, it's mainstream culture. Coming out and saying something positive about whites, now that's subversive.

Post: #12

(03-16-2016 10:41 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  All that being said, even these kids aren't quite daft or delusional enough to advance a point like this ("white life is wrong" and "affirmative suicide is good"). They've got a lot of nonsensical and uninformed opinions to offer, but they are not stupid enough to consider this kind of thing a valid argument and they do not make it. The kids promoting this foolery represent the University of West Georgia, not Harvard.

Ivy League progressivism may be delusional, but it is nowhere near this pathological on a whole...yet.

I've bolded the last word in your quote, Athlone, to make a point. Things are increasingly moving in a very dangerous direction, and the fires of hatred and violence are being stoked by many helpers.

You make your usual well-considered and thoughtful comment, Athlone, and yours is a rare voice of sanity and reason in a landscape more and more dotted with extremists and lunatics.

Unfortunately, most of the rabble out there are incapable of appreciating these fine-line nuances.

The people in this video may be charlatans, but the very fact that they are being given any kind of platform is the real point. The institutions that these people--and all people in America--take for granted are coming under sustained attack by this SJW philosophy and its purveyors.

The attack is subtle, and powerful. It seeks intellectual justification for murder, hate crimes, and racial discord, while portraying itself as "redressing historic wrongs" or "fairness" or "tolerance" or "rape culture" or any number of monikers.

But behind these labels, the motive is always the same: depose the power structure and replace it with something where the ignorant rabble rule over an empire of chaos and mayhem.

This is what they really want. They are stoking the fires of violence, and the media is just egging them on, giving them a platform, and trying to buy them off or placate them.

I have never been a racist, and never will let anyone make me one. But I can see how this sort of thing, drummed into a person over and over again, can put racial hatred in the heart of someone who never had it to begin with.

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(03-16-2016 11:21 PM)Lucky Wrote:  I actually don't have a problem with what the student said. It's provocative and offensive, which is perfectly fine.

All due respect, Lucky, but by long-established rules of debating, this statement would not in fact be perfectly fine. If this was a formal debating contest -- or indeed even in a slightly-less-formal debating contest -- then the West Georgia squad in essence broke every applicable rule to debates. And these two meatheads are not BLM types, they have represented the university in debating contests before by the website's account. Felicano is an instructor in debate, for Christ's sake.

The article claims that the debate was about renewable energy.

In what possible context could the argument "white life is wrong" be relevant upon such an issue?

There are only two basic rules in debating: debate the facts or debate the logic. Every sane set of rules for formal debate echoes or outright states that principle, from Roberts Rules of Order through to the International Debate Education Association's Code of the Debater.

An attempt to change the subject is an intellectually dishonest debating tactic. Stereotyping is an intellectually dishonest debating tactic.
Vagueness is an intellectually dishonest debating tactic.

Per the article itself:

Quote:“The black debaters simply ‘chose’ to point out their opponents’ skin color and begin advocating genocide,” reported InvestmentWatchdogBlog.com. “They expressly stated that these were their ‘sincere beliefs,’ not just an argument to win a debate.”

If it was cited as an argument to win a debate it should have been struck out and rejected. I would wager these two clowns decided to try and hijack the debate by swinging out into emotive territory when it became apparent Harvard was kicking their arses back to fucking Georgia.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #14

Leftist should show us the way and kill themselves first.

Post: #15

So which team was declared winner?

If two crazy black dudes made stupid arguments and were eliminated from further contest then it's not a big deal.

If, however, judges actually took these wicked arguments seriously then it is very disturbing...

Post: #16

The only people who take college debates seriously are other Masturdebaters...

Post: #17

This video is like a foreshadowing of what America would become under president Bernie Sanders.

Post: #18

(03-16-2016 10:41 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  The title is a touch misleading. The Harvard students weren't the ones positing that whites have some sort of duty to commit suicide. That point was advanced by the students from the University of West Georgia, one of whom (Feliciano) is the main speaker in the video. The Harvard students are on the other side and appear not to agree.

There's a lot of madness in academia these days, and that lack of sense pervades elite schools as well. Delusion runs rampant - a lot of these kids are in island utopias of liberalism (almost literally the most liberal institutions in the most liberal places they could possibly find in the USA) with tons of money, a great pedigree, and the armor of perceived intellectual supremacy and cultural influence. That kind of insulation breeds a kind of progressive mindset that is particularly divorced from reality. They live in a bubble - their institution is a virtual echo chamber, a space where they merely affirm and confirm viewpoints they already hold. They are as dogmatic and irrational as the opposition (conservatives, who usually are described as folks who live far far away in some backward, unfortunate place devoid of anything good and certainly vastly inferior to places like Cambridge where people have "sense") they claim to despise. And the worst thing about their ignorance is that they're entirely unaware of it - they bask in that ignorance, assigning to themselves a sense of moral superiority they never earned. They're guilty of the same crimes (ignorance, lack of awareness, dogmatic demonization of the opposition, maintenance of uninformed opinions, etc) as their opposition, but act as though they are much better.

High test scores are common in these spaces, but common sense is severely lacking. That is life in much of the modern Ivy League (particularly at Harvard, which is arguably the least conservative Ivy).

All that being said, even these kids aren't quite daft or delusional enough to advance a point like this ("white life is wrong" and "affirmative suicide is good"). They've got a lot of nonsensical and uninformed opinions to offer, but they are not stupid enough to consider this kind of thing a valid argument and they do not make it. The kids promoting this foolery represent the University of West Georgia, not Harvard.

Ivy League progressivism may be delusional, but it is nowhere near this pathological on a whole...yet.

Quote: "Beware of first- hand ideas!" exclaimed one of the most advanced of them. "First-hand ideas do not really exist. They are but the physical impressions produced by live and fear, and on this gross foundation who could erect a philosophy? Let your ideas be second-hand, and if possible tenth-hand, for then they will be far removed from that disturbing element - direct observation."

E.M. Forster
"The Machine Stops"
1909

Post: #19

I feel like if they were white advocating that black people should kill themselves because it'd be cheaper than trying to revitalize the ghetto, it wouldn't go over well.

That being said, in college debate there's a lot of tactics for winning, including crazy hail Mary scenarios and arguments.

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What is this weird debate style where they make a weird gasp for breath in the middle of their speech? It's like they are trying to make the speech rhythmic. I think I noticed that in another video too.

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(03-17-2016 09:37 AM)scallleywag Wrote:  What is this weird debate style where they make a weird gasp for breath in the middle of their speech? It's like they are trying to make the speech rhythmic. I think I noticed that in another video too.

I'd speculate that it's to stop your opponent from butting in to disprove your point. That way it becomes a monologue, not a debate...kind of defeats the object, but genuine discussion is not the goal here.

Post: #22

(03-17-2016 02:00 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 11:21 PM)Lucky Wrote:  I actually don't have a problem with what the student said. It's provocative and offensive, which is perfectly fine.

All due respect, Lucky, but by long-established rules of debating, this statement would not in fact be perfectly fine. If this was a formal debating contest -- or indeed even in a slightly-less-formal debating contest -- then the West Georgia squad in essence broke every applicable rule to debates. And these two meatheads are not BLM types, they have represented the university in debating contests before by the website's account. Felicano is an instructor in debate, for Christ's sake.

The article claims that the debate was about renewable energy.

In what possible context could the argument "white life is wrong" be relevant upon such an issue?

There are only two basic rules in debating: debate the facts or debate the logic. Every sane set of rules for formal debate echoes or outright states that principle, from Roberts Rules of Order through to the International Debate Education Association's Code of the Debater.

An attempt to change the subject is an intellectually dishonest debating tactic. Stereotyping is an intellectually dishonest debating tactic.
Vagueness is an intellectually dishonest debating tactic.

Per the article itself:

Quote:“The black debaters simply ‘chose’ to point out their opponents’ skin color and begin advocating genocide,” reported InvestmentWatchdogBlog.com. “They expressly stated that these were their ‘sincere beliefs,’ not just an argument to win a debate.”

If it was cited as an argument to win a debate it should have been struck out and rejected. I would wager these two clowns decided to try and hijack the debate by swinging out into emotive territory when it became apparent Harvard was kicking their arses back to fucking Georgia.

If it was a debate like you say, then it seems you're right that they violated the rules.

But I'm not a political debate guy, but have attended other types of informal and formal discussions on interesting ideas.

If I'd been at that debate, I would've said, "So suppose all white people commit mass suicide. Or some crazy virus appears that wipes out all white people. How would the world look to you? If all white people died today, would things be better or worse in 100 years? If you could push a button and all white people suddenly vanished, would you do it?"

I'm curious how seriously he was taking his own idea.

Post: #23

This cornball looks mixed.

Post: #24

Could you imagine the outcry and the FEELBADS that would happen if the white guys came back with "Ya know, you all were much safer when you were owned. Maybe you should come work for me. How's room and board sound, Kunta?"

Post: #25

If it's about the end justifying the means, killing all the blacks in America would be a more cost effective solution as there's less black than white. Obviously I'm not suggesting that, duh.

What's worrying is that what this guy said is viewed as debate but what I wrote would be considered a hate crime.