Post: #1

There is some back and forth mini debate on Robert Greene's 48 laws of power in the Deep Forum.

It then dawns on me that some people brain are just wired to be more accepting of the redpill than others. The reason for this wiring could be formative experiences or just genetic pre-disposition. I don't seem to have an inherently negative attitude towards "harsh truth" or "harsh reality". I find it serene and peaceful, actually. The sense of clarity and certainty is emotionally fulfilling to me; while others seem to find it emotionally exhausting, resisting it, etc. To quote myself

(04-10-2016 06:46 PM)Sir Antonio Jerkoff Wrote:  ....
I guess it depends on individual psychology. Regardless of how unpleasant something is, i prefer to know it, if it is the truth. I feel a sense of certainty, and a weird, strange peacefulness and serenity from having that firmer foundation. My mind will torture itself to death if i know i dwell on delusions.

That is just me. I guess that is why i easily gravitates towards the redpill, science and numbers, etc. I like that granite foundation, regardless of how hard or uncomfortable.

--SAJ

I think there is some genetic basis for a brain more likely to accept the redpill. The same way there is a basis for men's brain been more wired to deal with reality, while women's brain are less so. This makes men more likely to red-pill and women, less so. The same way there are slight neural differences between conservatives and liberals brain chemistry.

I will wager this same thing also applies to different degrees of men. Some men are just naturally, genetically prone to be more redpill than others.

What do you think? You think some men are genetically more predisposed towards the redpill than others?

--SAJ

Post: #2

This is something I've thought about. Not in the Red Pill sense but more in terms of the Alpha/Beta dynamic.

I remember even back in Kindergarten & elementary school, some boys were more physically imposing, aggressive and outgoing. Other kids naturally gravitated towards them. Even the female teachers had a soft spot for them despite them getting in trouble a lot more.

These same guys grew up to become pretty Red Pill adults.

Would like to hear more about this.

Post: #3

If your biological father was an alpha male and your biological mother was a sexy feminine woman when you were born - especially a quality woman whom he married in order to raise a family with... you likely have alpha male genetics... if he was a tall athletic type who has succeeded in life in the professions or a corporate exec - and your mother was a femme fatale or cheerleader - likely you are an unconscious babe magnet. Enjoy your lucky genetic inheritance.

If not buy all the bang books and study them and then work on building your own red pill game with what ever genetics mother nature gave you.

Post: #4

If anything I would say testosterone levels probably play a role in it.

Only problem is though the OP sounds like he's taking the atheist position which presumes that humans are only motivated by "animalistic" urges such as a desire to collect resources and reproduce; this is essentially what the debate in the Robert Greene thread is.

Fact is the atheist philosophical position is full of a lot of holes; this position is trendy today because millenials are in love with anything that sounds "science-y" or "technology related".

However I'd say from a spiritual perspective humans aren't motivated strictly by animalistic or materialistic urges; but by a greater sense of purpose or meaning in the world. Some individuals for example consider intellectual fulfillment a higher goal than "acquiring stuff", plus living strictly to acquire stuff is a risky foundation, essentially putting all one's eggs in one basket which can easily break; wealthy people can become bankrupt, men who are great athletes can become crippled, etc:

This is quite different from the "blue pill" view which basically centers more or less on turning a blind eye to all the 'badness' in the world and just pretending it doesn't happen, or telling people that just "doing nice things" for others will get them everything they want in life.

The "blue pill" view essentially boils down to not giving anyone any actual "advice" on how to do anything especially if it might "offend" them, and telling them instead to just pretend the world is like a Disney movie where they will just "magically" get everything they want because they're "so special".

Any worldview which centers on the idea that you'll get something for doing nothing just because "you deserve it" is baloney.

Post: #5

(04-10-2016 08:46 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  This is something I've thought about. Not in the Red Pill sense but more in terms of the Alpha/Beta dynamic.

I remember even back in Kindergarten & elementary school, some boys were more physically imposing, aggressive and outgoing. Other kids naturally gravitated towards them. Even the female teachers had a soft spot for them despite them getting in trouble a lot more.

These same guys grew up to become pretty Red Pill adults.

Would like to hear more about this.

I would definitely agree that genetics plays a huge part in the size and strength of individuals. However, the "red pill culture" is something that is definitely due to the environment as opposed to just being born in a certain family. Plenty of big strong guys are super beta and plenty of guys who were not endowed with good physical traits were forced to become smarter and more resourceful in order to succeed.

However, if you do have good physical genes it certainly does make it easier and more natural for you to adapt to a "red pill/alpha" lifestyle.

Post: #6

I would say this is more of a R versus K selection theory. Stefan Molyneux goes over this in his 3 part series found on youtube.

Conservative Theory
Strong family > Childhood success > Pursuit of competition > Acceptance of inequality > Free market

Liberal Theory
Weak family > Childhood failure > Competition avoidance > Equality of outcome > Socialism

Also I remember reading somewhere that men with more developed upper body muscularity are more likely to be conservative.

Post: #7

I think everybody understands red pill truths but does not necessarily wants to accept them. The deep conscious does tell us red pill truths but it is up to ourselves whether or not we want to accept them. I have an example in my own life to illustrate such point. I use this point as it was indeed a very valuable experience that at the end led to me discovering the red pill. In a "fuck 10 girls to get over her" kind of way without actually knowing about the red pill nor game for that matter.

A few years ago I met this girl at her place of work. I liked the look of her and was attracted to her. I heard her speak and there was a instant red flag. The forced smile (customer services job) and I knew she was lying about her feelings. I made three assumptions about her which all turned out to be true. One of which was that she is on mood stabilisers[1]. In fact she was on 3 or 4 different types. But I wanted to believe she was one of the last good girls (deep down I knew was never going to be true but I didn't want to accept it)[2]. To cut the story short I was making out with her in my bedroom and about escalate really sexually towards sex then I had a sudden realisation that this girl was about to cause me some real trouble. I thought she was going to accuse my of raping her [3] as she had a boyfriend who was a cop. Her boyfriend reportedly beat her, apparently during sex so I knew she was attracted to bad boys[4]. She also had a tattoo.

We have there for red pill truths I knew despite being blue pill.
[1] Girls on mood stabilisers are not a good idea.
[2] Good girls do not actually exist
[3] An emotionally unstable girl who cheats on her boyfriend with you is likely to accuse you of falsely raping her
[4] She enjoys the abuse which what she ultimately gets off on and is why she's attracted to 'bad boys'

Luckily from the moment I 'woke up' and vowed never to get hung up of a chick again. It's what sped up me formally discovering the red pill via a google searching that came up with an ROK article. A fantastic moment of interesting reading. Which - like reading 48 laws of power, made me aware of what I already knew.

So to reiterate my point. I believe everyone is subconsciously aware of the red pill but due to the circumstance they find themselves in do not want to accept it.

Post: #8

I'm the only non blue piller in my family so in my experience it's not the case. Alpha / beta behavior, however is a different story and I think that genes may play more of a role there.

Post: #9

Aggression linked towards red pill? Here's a genetic basis for it:

GENETIC PREDISPOSITION TO AGGRESSION:
The closest thing to this topic biologists have been looking at is the MAOA gene, short for monoamine oxidase A. When an individual doesn't produce wild type/normal MAO-A, that causes impulsive behavior in humans.

MAOA has been known as "the warrior gene," as per Wikipedia. Dysfunctional MAOA means it's harder to break down neurotransmitters (NT) like serotonin and dopamine, also used in the treatment of depression.

Wikipedia uses a slightly hand-waving argument to declare that since MAOA affects NT breakdown and that these NTs are involved in regulating feelings and emotions, it's clear that a deficiency would result in MAOA results in inability to normally regulate feelings and emotions, and hence, violent impulses!

I'd like to see the actual mechanism here, but until then, that's the genetic basis for aggression and "the warrior gene." (Disclaimer: Haven't read the paper here: http://www.review.mai.ac.nz/index.php/MR...ew/222/243 but I'll get to it)

CULTURAL INFLUENCE ON RED PILL

Personally I've always been competitive and ultimately unwilling to blame my failures on external actions. My family is kind of like this too, so there's my anecdotal evidence point there.

But culture certainly has more to do with it in my opinion. Wanting to improve myself eventually led me to discover red pill and the manosphere, and wanting to be a part of this culture rather than what I currently had on offer.

I'm slowly turning a liberal friend of mine conservative (and pro-Trump), and slowly red pill. So far, he's loving it-ate up Solomon II's blog and Jack Donovan's works. More anecdotal evidence, but that's the effect of culture for you, perhaps more so than biology.

Post: #10

(04-11-2016 02:07 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  I'm the only non blue piller in my family so in my experience it's not the case. Alpha / beta behavior, however is a different story and I think that genes may play more of a role there.

My opinion is that "alpha" is the blank state of things, the natural way of men. This is why women are attracted to these men, because they're the way nature designed men to be.

Beta is the result of negative conditioning, ex phobias and indoctrination implanted at a young age which the individual never questions into adulthood.

Not unlike "breaking in" a horse or training a dog; an alpha is a wild wolf while a beta is a trained poodle.

Post: #11

@EDANTES

I don't see how being redpill and being spiritual are at odds. In fact, the bible is a very redpill book.

Aspiring to greater intellectual heights is not against being redpill. In fact, being redpill can help a lot in that regards. Take the case of Edison vs Tesla.






@THE TRUTH.

It is a question of nature vs nurture. I think some people are born with a more alpha mindset than others.


@CAPTAINCHARDONNAY


I like your hypothesis, BUT there are others that went through "liberal theory" as you put, but still ends up in the category of "conservative theory" or viceversa. That is why i strongly suspect there is a genetic component to it.


--SAJ