Post: #1

Wrote a post in the Donald Trump thread that I thought would be a good topic for discussion. /thread-48360...pid1292886

In the past I was more left wing then I am now though I was never a full blown bleeding heart liberal. I called myself a centrist but if anything I was more close to a Clinton/Obama type of liberal and I did actually vote for Obama in the previous election. I wasn't particularly enthusiastic about being part of the political wing I was in, I really was just there by default because the only sort of conservative thought I had been exposed to at the time was stuff like Fox News, New York Post, Glenn Beck that was full of the typical cuckservative talking points (though this was long before the term was coined) and was typically aligned with evangelical/fundie Protestantism. The only conservatism I knew about was of this type and given how unappealing it was to me I pretty much had no choice to go to the left despite my misgivings for the more extreme versions of some of it's ideas and also despite my own distaste for the snarkiness and snobbery of the people in that camp; I was choosing the lesser of two evils.

Since then I've found that there is a coherent, intellectual right wing philosophy that is opposed to the slave morality and flabbiness of the left and like Conservative Pundit said in the quote above I really have the internet and more specifically this forum and also the rest of the red pill/manosphere and the various groups associated with this corner of the web. I've always been disheartened by the fact that the left has always had "cool" pundits like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert while the right typically gets stuck with talk show radio which has zero appeal to anyone under 40 so the "hip" right wing ideology that's rising up and associated with people like Milo and Gavin McGiness is what I had been waiting all these years.

Post: #2

'If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.'


There's no record of it, but the quote is attributed to Winston Churchill.

Post: #3

Not really, I identified that Europe was engaged in suicide back in my teens, and I found Atlas Shrugged following a search from my own independent desire to read a book that wasn't leftist antisocial bullshit. In my opinion, and this is a question that has wracked my mind since I identified that my people were destroying themselves, right and left is fundamentally, and biologically, a question of social order or antisocial chaos and degeneration.

Of course degeneration is more entertaining: we watch movies where everything explodes and everyone kills each other; watching a movie about stuff being built and people peacefully interacting isn't nearly as exciting.

Post: #4

I was slightly less right than I am now, but I was never left.

Liberals struck me as crybaby pussies, even when I was young.

I've always been pretty smart.

Post: #5

I've never been left-wing. I've been raised by an old-school alpha male provider who is just as opinionated and tough as Trump, but also loving. I also have a feminine, wonderful mother. Those of us who were fortunate enough to be raised by Real Men, by definition, can't be liberal cucks. A man that has a masculine father that teaches him how to respect himself first would never allow his son to become a liberal.

If anything, the longer I've been on this planet, the more disdain I have for liberals in general. They celebrate all that is ugly, evil and vain. A pox on all of them. I hope that Trump and all other right-leaning leaders of men in Europe start finding their balls and fighting back. I've already become more opinionated in my social circle and don't care if it alienates the liberals. They were never open-minded anyways. I'm using my outspoken conservatism as an unapologetic way to screen for wife-worthy women. Not to mention, conservative chicks are far better looking than liberal lesbianic types.

Conservative women for the win:

http://thefederalist.com/2016/04/22/why-...so-pretty/



Tate from Breitbart Texas. If she isn't wife'd up already, I'm sure some fine Texas gentleman wouldn't mind gaming her.

Post: #6

Absolutely I was.

Let's set the time frame back then:

I was a teenage angst punk in the Bush Jr Era 2000's

I listened to Punk Rock as a kid, a slight bit of romanticizing anarchism - I liked being the outside but that was mostly at school or at shows.

9/11 happened when I was around 9th/10th grade

I hated "neo cons", conservatives, the republic.

I came from a muslim family from India/Pakistan - but I wasn't Muslim from Junior High onward.

I was first generation born here in the stats, thought people were silently racist towards me (some indeed did crack jokes).

I'm from California so I was against Prop 8 even flipped off supporters near my work.


Changes:

As I got older I was disillusioned by religion I became atheist, angry towards religion and god.

After I graduated college I got hired right out of it, however I started realizing flaws and the time I probably wasted in college. I got both my jobs via networking - hardly a formal interview.

I started questioning alot of Islam's problems, some of my cousins radical views.

I was becoming jaded towards women, and realizing what they were for.

I voted for Obama first time around. Then changed my voter preference to no affiliation after. Fell in love with guys like Ron Paul.


Now:


I changed my party registration to Republican to vote for Trump, love that guy.

I found game, I started seeing relationship/marriage/women for what they really are.

Common sense and fiscally conservative views came into my life, I started seeing the ridiculous amount of money we spend on stupid shit.

I became more simplistic, I became more thankful, I became more understanding and open to different POV.

I'm still an outsider and still a punk - with well thought out and intelligent discussions and POV's.

I began to realize how much harm Islam really is doing in this world and how people of my heritage NEED/MUST speak out against it.

I began going against the grain, not being afraid to support Trump publicly, to show my "sexist misogynistic" views (of course in a comedian type way)

Plenty of other races are racist as fuck, not just whites.

I'm not atheist anymore, I'm more along of the lines of shrugging my shoulders about religion. I don't have time to waste on it.

Ever since I found RVF so many views about my life and the world in general have changed.

I have this forum and all of you to thank for that.

Post: #7

I recovered from an overbearing Leftist mentality espoused by my Mom. The more she preached, the more she became a hypocrite. It was not until I entered adulthood that I could fully understand the madness of leftists.

The amount of mental gymnastics necessary to promote strong leftist ideals while simultaneously carrying out normal personal agency is beyond belief. When faced with such conflicts, I knew I wandered too far down the wrong path. It was a political Red Pill moment, a watershed from childhood naiveté to the true strength of manhood.

Not to say hardcore on-the-right-folks can't suffer from delusional behavior either, but my god at least it's straightforward with obvious motivations.

Since about 2009 for me, every year another layer of insidious ultra-lib lies keeps getting removed until now it's seen naked and bare. Disgusting freaks, who in the past I may have felt sorry for, I now wholeheartedly reject in the same manner that they label me "cis gendered white male scum"

The problem is the right needed to clean house. Come on! We had to deal with W, then McCain, then Romney and the lot of cuckservatives that played "Dumb" comic relief to the Left's cooler image. Even though I was conservative at heart, I had no champion.......

Time to MAGA!

Post: #8

I was one of those argumentative atheist assholes in high school and college. I supported all the welfare crap too, but a lot of that was based on having accepted the propaganda that the cost of welfare and socialized medicine wasn't all that great and just toning down the neo-con military spending would pay for it. Honestly if you can sell the idea that feeding the poor doesn't cost anything, it's hard to argue against.

Also in my defense, this was back in the pre-Obama era where the whiny social justice race-baiting elements of the left weren't in control. If could magically restore my youth and lack of wisdom, I still couldn't see myself wanting to associate with the faggoty college kids I see today.

Post: #9

I may had been more left than before but I've always been right wing since a child. Growing up poor I could recognise the decision people made affected the outcome of their life so people who earned a lot of money deserve to keep it.

Growing up in the UK everyone gets the same level of healthcare but some people paid nothing and other paid a ton. I never believed that to be fair I believed if you paid more you deserve preferential treatment over a non payer. I always understood that it was human nature to improve their own circumstances over others and that we were all in competition for the resources around us. Nursery when it was dinner time if I put more on my plate I got more food and when the food runs out if you didn't eat enough you went hungry. Did I feel bad for the other kids? No, they had the same opportunity to help themselves but chose not to.

In junior school a friend and I started a paper airplane business. He'd manufacture and colour them in and I would sell them. We made some pretty decent cash initially but had to stop when our sales dried up. Our product was a fad and which soon came to an end. That's just how it went, sometimes you were winning and sometimes you were losing.

First year (11 years old) of high school the first years were allowed to go to lunch 5 minutes before they other which gave me enough time to buy all of the desirable stuff (burgers/hotdogs etc) and sell them on at a higher price. I understood that the supply was limited and the demand was very high which meant I could take advantage. I was making money and in doing so was bettering myself by using initiative to take advantage. This venture got stopped when they move our lunch time which didn't make it possible. Recognising the mistake I had made with the paper airplane venture (failing to adapt to the market) I move on to selling confectionary and fizzy drinks. With the money I was making I was able to buy nice goods for myself which I deserved. Some of which, likes iPods I could lease out during class for more cash.

I guess my early experience is always going to lead my to being right wing.

Post: #10

Pretty hard to be a 19 year old Conservative when it was 100% dominated by raging Neo-cons. It was a golden age for the pickup era, nobody was doing it, hardly anyone knew what it was and young girls were still trying to maintain their looks in order to get a man and hold a man. Also the social justice left was not as present back then due to lack of funding.

Fast Track 10 years later, Obama swung in and injected billions$ of subsidies into the department of education for anti-western, anti-capitalist, anti-male, and white privilege studies. He preached about lowering costs for students but all he did was cut a deal with the bankers regarding student loans, cost actually went up, its just cheaper and easier to qualify for a student loan(literally everyone can). The social justice leftist cancer has spread in every school backed by the government and the media to rain havoc on all of us. We have been getting 8 years of consistent SJW dominated graduates polluting the dating pool, skewing the advertising and media market and just pissing everyone off over all. Add the social media smart phone revolution to this mix and it was the perfect fucking shit storm. Luckily this created a major push-back initiative in the majority of western countries, each one very different. What Trump is doing now would eventually happen in one way or another, it would take longer, Trump has hit the gas and running though red lights while knocking down mailboxes with a baseball bat.

Post: #11

I was an extreme lefty.

So much so that I ended up coming out on the right!

Nowadays, I would probably be called extreme right wing (by those slightly left of center anyway).

The whole left/right party politics no longer works for me, especially as we now have world politics and definitions to take into consideration as well. It's a bit of a minefield. Libertarian in UK means something different to US, ditto lots of other terms.

It's hard enough being 'extreme right wing' as I am (as seen by those slightly left of center), and then still being seen as a bit of a lefty by those who really are further out to the right than I am. It's battles within battles and it is tiresome.

I prefer to rise above the whole left/right debate. For me it's globalist power-mongers vs. the people, which I suppose could be seen as a kind of Marxist viewpoint in itself. Anything, pretty much, can be turned against you, by your opponent in an argument, and it's actually very easy to label anyone that doesn't think the same as you as 'lefty', 'righty' etc.

I get why there is a distinction. In fact, I believe I have a more sophisticated overview of left/right politics than those that subscribe wholeheartedly to whatever particular side. Left/Right politics just doesn't further the debate for me now. I use it solely as a reference point when dealing with arguments.

I've oversimplified and probably not explained it very well.

But yeah, I was your worst nightmare lefty, even 10 years ago, sorry. Then I got mugged by reality, as the old joke goes.

Having said that, I am happy to openly identify as 'right-wing' to people I meet. The look on their face is priceless, for one. And this is from people who are more truly right-wing than I ever will be. These people are against immigration because they don't like 'blacks'. They are openly racist when you get into their little circle. But they would die a death of a thousand shamings to even be called 'right-wing' let alone actually admit to it themselves. So it's nice to see their reaction when I admit to it.

Nobody in the UK today admits to being right-wing publicly. It would be like declaring you are a paedophile. Not going to happen.

So yes, I used to be left wing, but now I am right wing.


Another example of the whole hypocrisy and confusion surrounding this issue is the far-right extremist viewpoints of many hippies. They don't even realise it. But if you talk to an old stoner with his guard down, even though he proudly proclaims to be left-wing as if it is a badge of honour, he soon start spouting some shit that would have made Adolf Hitler look like a lib/dem (uk political reference).

I just don't understand why the morons on the left are so proud to wear their badge, yet those of us here on the right are so ashamed to admit our own allegiances.

It's a lot more complicated than that of course.

For example, the left do not have the monopoly on anti-racist beliefs, despite their claims to the contrary. I abhor racism. There's black and white in my world and all shades in between. As long as we can make a system that works, I'm good with whatever colour you are. If I ever saw a man judge another man solely on the colour of his skin, I would think less of him for doing so.

All men should be given equal opportunity and responsibility, in an ideal world. But I've veered of track now, so I'll shut it.

Post: #12

If you grew up in the West in in the past 2-3 decades and went to public school, then you were likely left-leaning on the political spectrum that is just what is hammered into you.

The outliers would be the ones who had very conservative parents and/or went to private school/religious institutions/home schooled. It's typically only after you leave those school doors that the smoke clears and you're free to think.

That said, I guess I''ve always been more independent on the political spectrum:

-I never cared about gays, transgender, whatever-the-fuck people are on about. Live and let-live was my motto. No one bothers me if they don't bother me.

-I always thought animals rights and social activist types were hippies that were nothing but an annoyance and a burden to society.

-I was always against anarchists and childish anti-establishment types.

-I've always been cool with abortion and equal marriage rights for whomever.

-Always been a little racist and classist.

-Always hated country and loved heavy metal and punk.

-Love America but hate Americans. Dislike what America has become while I was growing up.

-Never really cared for politics. Never voted, and likely never will.

-Always thought loose slutty women were lame, moreso when I was younger than nowadays.

I actually used to be a lot more judgmental, negative, and intolerant when I was younger. I've grown more carefree in many ways as I've grown up.

Post: #13

I was one of the most apolitical people out there. I honestly didn't even know the what the left and right wing meant. It wasn't til SJWs started popping up that I learned about the pure unadulterated faggotry of the left. I've held some anti-left wing views against things like Affirmative Action and the need to cater to every minority with "diversity" I remember enjoying the Colbert/Daily Show as a kid. Was probably classic liberal/libertarian but now I'm probably alt-right.

Post: #14

I was to the left of Karl Marx until my mid 20s. I thought:

1. Society is gradually moving towards perfection
2. Individual autonomy was the greatest good
3. Society could be designed by noble people
4. Good intentions led to good results.

During my mid 20s I decided to read right wing books to learn their arguments and point out how wrong they were. However, they ended up convincing me. The more I read of them the more I thought they were correct. And the more I listened to liberals the more I thought that they were wrong and stupid.

Post: #15

I've been a political junkie ever since W stole the 2000 election from Al Gore (a belief I still maintain). I strongly identified as a liberal/Democrat during high school so much that it basically WAS my identity. I even had a small website on Angelfire devoted to supporting Democrats.

Of course, that was back in the early 2000s when the Democratic party actually stood for the common man, for the blue-collar workers like my father whose jobs have been heavily affected by shitty trade deals. Liberals used to be people like Jim Webb, JFK, or Howard Dean (who was my first-ever vote for president), candidates with populist messages who supported the hard-working middle class that make up the backbone of this country and actually seemed to want to use the power of government to help people.

But nowadays, liberals have shifted to playing identity politics, the victim mentality, and fighting for "social justice." Even though I was a liberal, I never fell into the SJW category. For example, I remember in high school seeing a bunch of flyers for college scholarships that were only being offered to women and minorities; even then I recognized that as racism. I also remember one year a bunch of feminists were bitching about the Victoria's Secret fashion show and made the astute observation that only ugly women were complaining about it.

Bernie Sanders shows some of the signs of the populist liberalism that resonated with me back in the early 2000s. It's too bad he's thrown his hat into the ring with the crazy SJWs, but that's what Democrats have to do now because the crazy SJWs have taken over the party.

I came of age during W's administration, so it was a fairly easy choice to identify as a liberal. At the time, the neo-cons were the only flavor of conservatism available, and I found them to be atrocious. I despised the entire Bush clan, and still do to this day. I've always been highly scientific minded and found the neo-cons' Jesus-talk and Bible thumping highly off-putting. I hated the hypocrisy of the neo-cons who would preach about wanting small, limited government, then turn around and start trying to micromanage everyone's personal lives and massively build up the surveillance state. And even in high school, I thought invading Iraq was a stupid idea, and it turns out I was right. But the Democrats were the only party opposing the invasion, so that was the party to join.

I haven't had the words to describe it until this election, but I've always been a nationalist, compared to the globalist neo-cons. In the 2000s, the Democrats were the only viable option against globalism. I didn't so much leave the Democratic party, as it left me when even the Democratic establishment turned into hypocritical, globalist cucks.

You see this today with the Democrats wanting to invite in as many Muslims as possible, and to hell with the consequences. One reason I used to identify as liberal is because I'm an atheist and couldn't stand the religious, evangelical nutjobs that make up a bulk of the Republican party. I found it refreshing that liberals opposed the kind of people who wanted to make laws deeply rooted in Christianity. But that way of thinking is completely lost on modern day liberals. They seem to think that if I'm critical of Islam and oppose a hoard of Muslim immigrants coming to this country, it's because I'm racist against brown people. No, it's because I've maintained the same principle of being critical against ALL religions and I apply that equally. Today's liberals preach about equality for all, but yet I'm the only one who actually applies my beliefs equally.

The same core principles that made me a liberal in the early 2000s are now the same principles that have guided me more toward the libertarian, alternative-right today. I believe in equally applying my distaste for all organized religions, like I just described. I believe in freedom of speech so much that I was a member of my college chapter of the ACLU, but now liberals are the ones trying to stomp out free speech with their demands for safe spaces. I believe in giving everyone equal opportunities, but now liberals are demanding that also means ensuring equal outcomes. I judge people based on WHO they are and not what they look like, but liberals still insist on dividing people along racial and socioeconomic lines. I've always believed that America works best when we all work together, yet liberals are the ones continually stoking the flames of racial hatred and distrust. I believe in equal rights for gays and trannies because everyone should have the right to live however they want, even if it's deviant, as long as nobody else's rights are violated, but today's liberals are actively promoting being gay and trannie as natural and normal.

Even today, I don't fully understand how liberalism became this corrupted, former shell of itself. I've stayed consistent in my core beliefs, yet they're the ones who have changed. Did liberals actually once stand for something like I think? Or were they always like this and I just didn't see it?

I still don't completely fit in with today's alternative-right, either. Those same libertarian beliefs mean, for example, I'm still pro-choice on abortion and I have a "live and let live" attitude toward gays and trannies. I still believe that government could do good things for people, like universal health care and negotiating good trade deals, if it was managed by people who wanted the government to do good things.

And that is why I like Donald Trump. He actually seems to consistently believe in a similar set of core principles, and he maintains them even if the party surrounding them moves. He seems to genuinely want to make America great again for the middle class and not keep getting us bogged down in pointless wars or idiotic social justice bullshit.

Trump is the kind of presidential candidate I've wanted since the day I first became interested in politics. And in a way, Trump is the candidate that liberals could have been, if they hadn't thrown it all away.

Post: #16

Totally leftist. Long lineage of leftists in the family including activists during the fascist regime in Portugal (1928-1974), who suffered at the hands of the torture.

My recent views and opinions are starting to cast me as a black sheep between the elders (the tortured ones already left the realm of the living), though I always recognize the nobility in my ancestors to fight for what they believed in, but the times are different, the fascist regime was far from positive but it is not the state of affairs we have nowadays that they fought for, so my conscience is clean in that regard.

I started to lean right a little after I got my first serious job, and started to feel disgust with all the parenthood and benefits towards the parasitic people that plague our systems and countries.

Though I still identify with some few extreme leftist policies, but much more extreme right ones, I found out that the extremes of the political spectrum often touch each other.

Post: #17

Interesting topic. I'm not sure until when the "you were younger" applies, but a few years ago when I was 16-17 you can indeed say I was a lefty. More of a "scandinavian" type of lefty based on transparence of public institutions with a predominance of free trade. Of course this is not really an extreme type of lefty, you can call it social liberal (in the economically liberal sense). Was a bit of an annoying atheist at the time too. I've since reviewed my stance on atheism because of the huge amount of lefties that are atheists. Was a bit of a Muslim apologist in social terms (terrorist issues and whatnot) but never in favour of social leeches/parasites like gypsies per example.

Eventualy I started reading a few things on economics, like Ayn Rand, Mises, Rothbard, Hoppe, alongside with the Ron Paul movement and I morphed into libertarianism. From there, this forum had also an effect because I went from a radical libertarian to a conservative libertarian/paleo-libertarian. I'm still forming my views but I don't think they will change that much nowadays. Nietzsche's thought also had an influence, particularly the issue on master/slave morality.

However, I think that being younger and having "lefty" beliefs does have some correlation. You tend to be quite idealistic in that age. And in some cases, rebellious.

Post: #18

I was, but I got better.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #19

Most people will be. It's drummed into to the education system.

Post: #20

(05-06-2016 07:05 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  Most people will be. It's drummed into to the education system.

It's not just the education system. It's the art world. The music world.

They've even tried making it the status quo in the STEM fields, but that is proving a bit more difficult. It's easier to hide inadequacies in fields like art/music, than it is in applied mechanics.

Post: #21

Pre-Red Pill:

Wouldn't outright say that I was Democrat, but whenever someone turned out to be Republican, I'd be like "whaaaaaaat?"

Used to think that feminism and gay pride things were good, mostly because everyone else around me did. After all, "equal rights" and "love wins" sounds good, right? Most people aren't against "equal rights" and love. As well as "common sense" gun control (thanks obama...)

After all, they told me "I was on the right side of history!"

Post red-pill:

Make America Great Again!

now I really am on the right side of history.

Post: #22

(05-06-2016 07:46 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 07:05 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  Most people will be. It's drummed into to the education system.

It's not just the education system. It's the art world. The music world.

They've even tried making it the status quo in the STEM fields, but that is proving a bit more difficult. It's easier to hide inadequacies in fields like art/music, than it is in applied mechanics.

Today it's worse with social media, smart phones and the like, so left wing art, news, and music spreads more rapidly. I got out of high school in 2003, so I was right on that tipping point where things were starting to get out of hand. Feminism and gay rights were relatively unknown terms for me until after high school.

Post: #23

I'm still very left-leaning. I'm opposed to imperialist wars, and very proud of the socialised medical care we have here in the UK, though it's not perfect. I think it's only right and proper that every citizen has access to healthcare. If they don't like the service, they can go private. But at least that safety net is there. "Free" education should also be a right. I'd rather my taxes were used more constructively than bombing villages in the middle east. Gay marriage should be legal simply because I do not believe it to be a moral transgression. Society has worse issues at stake. I'm against the death penalty. Abortion is still too complex an issue to have made a definitive moral stance. Economic inequality is a serious issue the Left is right to focus on.

What I hate about the Left is its fascistic tendencies. It has become hyper-critical of alternative views, is based more on emotion than logic, and is becoming increasingly intrusive about the words and language we use. SJWs and feminist ideology are dangerous self-victimisation tools, and the green-haired millennial mob will gladly see the destruction of western society. I'm opposed to third world migrants entertering the UK. While I like the NHS, the welfare state in the UK is exploited. My taxes pay poor people to breed, and there are some people who never work, because they simply make enough on the dole. While I agree with Ayn Rand somewhat, I like the idea of a welfare state in principle

I think it's good to have a mixture of left and right wing views.

Post: #24

I'm 20 now. I've never been leftist. My country's still quite traditional, even though bullshit has started to permeate the younger generation.
I was always a contrast, an outsider. Only in the way I thought and spoke. Not a social outcast.
I've always seen lefty ideas as a steaming pile of shit. And I've always let people know about it. Not once did I find the ideas here hard to digest, even the ones about Muslims.

Post: #25

(05-06-2016 07:46 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  It's not just the education system. It's the art world. The music world.

They've even tried making it the status quo in the STEM fields, but that is proving a bit more difficult. It's easier to hide inadequacies in fields like art/music, than it is in applied mechanics.

It is just the education system, artists are mostly whores that follow whatever is trending in their time. Education system breeds tumor infected leftists so the artist has to make bank. Remember to be a good artist your narcissist levels have to break the ceiling. Once you understand that embracing the crazies seems natural for them. Once our counter culture really takes off, you will see artists pretending to be all non-pc to get attention. Some of them already have.