Post: #1

Hello all,

Unfortunately I have been exiled back into London due to opportunities that I can't afford to lose. I am 24 years old and have a career which I don't particularly want to mention on a public forum. But it means that I am staying in this city for the foreseeable future.

I am making around £30K to 35K a year but this is before taxes, and I do actually really enjoy my work. It was a hard toss up because previously I was living in an FSU country, which really felt like home for me. I had girlfriends from there who I would have even thought about starting families with them but I knew that my purpose in life was more important at this stage.

As I am back living with my parents, I do feel regret at times for leaving behind a life and culture which felt a lot more warmer for me. Needless to say the connections with the girls I had dwindled because frankly its hard to maintain frame or a relationship when you are living so far away from each other. Plus before I left, their shit testing became so severe that it just changed the whole dynamic completely.

Well like a lot of friends I have here, we are all kind of in the same boat. The dating culture in this city is just obnoxious. I don't mind the inevitable challenges and in the past I would be able to navigate around them. But now with my time commitments and projects that I am working on, I simply just can't engage with the level of gaming that is necessary to find good quality women. Plus I genuinely am tired of it, by no means am I going MGTOW. But once you have experienced relatively authentic relationships with girls in countries with less skewed sexual market places, it becomes difficult to readjust.

I suppose that I am thinking a lot about this, because I want to build a family at some point, which just seems impossible to do in London. Due to so many different circumstances, financial, culture, people.

So the point of my thread is to see in which ways can I connect with these girls while living in London for the rest of my twenties. The options I can see are the following.

1) Invest in small trips to EE or SEA/SE and invite girls back for trips to London.

2) Simply accept what London is and make do, plan on moving abroad when I can in the future.

3) Invest in having a summer home or property overseas. And gradually overtime outsource my work to the point setting up there. A location independent lifestyle will be an option for me but it won't be until at least 4 years for me.



Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated, especially for those who are older and found a way round it. I know that this forum is host to a lot of men who were able to design their own lifestyle.

Post: #2

First, I would encourage you to change your attitude a little. You are 24 and obviously doing relatively well for yourself with work that you like. Try to enjoy that, it's a good thing. You should have plenty of opportunities to enjoy the world around you, as you make a respectable salary for a guy your age, and presumably some of your friends do too. There are a lot of fantastic things to do in London, whatever your individual quirks may be, and you should make the most of those. Done properly they should provide you with a longevity of interest that these FSU girls will not, by themselves, be able to offer.

Second, I would encourage you to consider putting more time into your friendships. The absence of distraction from women (not that that is really true in a place like London, but if you want to think it so be it), is a wonderful opportunity to revel in the good company of close friends, to deepen those bonds, and to explore the world around you with men of a similar stripe. Develop your networks, build new friendships, become a more interesting and interested person with the extra time available to you.

Third, try to shake off some of the hold women seem to have over you. Your post makes it sound as though you've somehow been robbed of your birthright by having 'had' to move back to one of the worlds great capitals with its endless variety, culture and interest. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot not to like about London, but if you can't find more fantastic things to do with your time there than you know what to do with, that failing is yours and yours alone. The fixation on women, and your apparent position that the affection of a good one will somehow give your life a meaning that is otherwise lacking, is to my mind hugely detrimental and carries a real threat of distracting you from really living a great life.

There are lots of UK forum members. Many are in London, and many more of us are not far away. Between the people and resources within easy reach of you, you have a really staggering opportunity to lead a very fulfilling life, you should chastise yourself every time you find yourself taking that for granted, or thinking that the easy attentions of some receptive Eastern European chick is somehow life's greatest good (rather than just being one of many great goods life has to offer).

Post: #3

Thanks for the reply and wisdom H1N1. I suppose I never thought about it like that. I have restarted training in weights and martial arts as well as re restablishing connections with friends, so I suppose that I will continue down that path.

Post: #4

Why would you leave a life you love, hot decent women, to go back to the decadent west for a 35K job, anmd to live with your parents at 24?

There is something really really good about this job, or what?

Post: #5

Accept London for what it is, continue to date and try to find great girls in the local area.

Take short trips to your favourite abroad locales whenever you can.

Stack your money right so you'll be able to live in your desired country in the future.

Many members are in the exact same situation. This is the sacrifice we have to make for the short-term to have a great future ahead.

You're a smart man for choosing to get your financial situation right first over the pleasure of living in a pussy paradise. I made the same decision myself and it's not an easy going back to living with parents, but in the long-term you'll be far better off.

Post: #6

Find a girlfriend here in London. In London for you to be getting laid consistently you need to be putting in lots of work, that means going out a lot at night (twice a week at the very least) and approaching a lot during the day. Having a girlfriend eliminates the need to be constantly looking for new bangs. Find one that is decent enough to show to friends or family and has some common sense.

Post: #7

It sounds like you have experienced and achieved quite a lot for 24. Let's not forget that your market value to women has still a lot of years ahead to increase. I don't think you have any longterm worries.

Post: #8

I basically did option 2.

Use the West for what she's good for.

Pump her for money and slutty low-quality chicks, in that order, and then dump her for better women abroad.

Finally, don't let anyone deter you if you really want a family in the future. Many players - such as Roosh - have long since realized that the hedonistic treadmill, which the West specializes in, goes nowhere, for both women and men. I agree with H1N1 that the EE girls themselves shouldn't be the most important people to you.

Your future children, however, should be.

P.S. There will be a lot of forces that will want you to stay in London or the West permanently. They are hoping - sometimes secretly - that you'll fail to go back to EE.

Post: #9

Exactly.

Keep in mind that, in a lot of ways, the Anglosphere is a good place to build up global mobility. There are a large number of degree programs with business connections all over the world(e.g. a Harvard or Oxfordguy with a versatile degree like operations management or finance will have no problem finding work in EE, Asia, or elsewhere....2nd tier degrees slightly harder but very doable), global corporations like GE that are always looking for Americans to send to overseas locations, and a good place to make connections if you know how to work people.

Also only 30k pounds a year? How is that an "opportunity that you don't want to lose"? If you ask me it would take a front office job offer in a high white collar firm (someone like Goldman Sachs, McKinsey, GE, etc) to get to where the pay, exit opportunities available, and enhancements to your personal brand would outweigh having to deal with the hours, work environment, and living in a Western mega-city. For my field there's way too many jobs in relatively pleasant mid-sized cities that pay six figures to justify dealing with all that.

Post: #10

Also hate to double post, but different topic slightly.

I'd say give it a year and make the most of it. Don't bother trying to "game" girls. If you want a girl that's closer to what you get in EE I'd start looking in church groups, religious websites, etc. Keep in mind that type is pretty easy to overlook because they tend to be quiet and less outwardly social due to a lifetime of having their views mocked and denigrated by more "independent" women.

The other thing you can use London for is to focus on expanding your professional network. It's a major finance and business hub so take full advantage. Find out where people who work in your profession hang out and start meeting them. Use LinkedIN to set up informational interviews over lunch. I'm sure a lot of the London RVFers would be able to help you there.

Post: #11

You made this happen because of the career opportunity. Do not lose sight of this fact and use it to advance your skills in your line of work and acquire new skills. This will be your home for the foreseeable, then make the best out of it.

As other posters mentioned, there are many positive things about living in the west; take advantage of them to advance, whatever that means for you. For example, use the opportunity to advance your social skills. Play the game, make people like you, and in the meantime you might even make solid relationships for your future. Also, since leaving with your parents, save money. Help them with some bills, or show appreciation that you are leaving there and pay a small rent. Use the time to strengthen the relationship with your family. There are so many positive things you can do; just look into yourself.

Post: #12

(05-16-2016 09:51 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  Exactly.

Keep in mind that, in a lot of ways, the Anglosphere is a good place to build up global mobility. There are a large number of degree programs with business connections all over the world(e.g. a Harvard or Oxfordguy with a versatile degree like operations management or finance will have no problem finding work in EE, Asia, or elsewhere....2nd tier degrees slightly harder but very doable), global corporations like GE that are always looking for Americans to send to overseas locations, and a good place to make connections if you know how to work people.

Also only 30k pounds a year? How is that an "opportunity that you don't want to lose"? If you ask me it would take a front office job offer in a high white collar firm (someone like Goldman Sachs, McKinsey, GE, etc) to get to where the pay, exit opportunities available, and enhancements to your personal brand would outweigh having to deal with the hours, work environment, and living in a Western mega-city. For my field there's way too many jobs in relatively pleasant mid-sized cities that pay six figures to justify dealing with all that.

I don't wish to talk too much about the job but it was more to do with the experience gained from that work and the potential for what it can lead to in the future. If it was purely a financial motivation then I wouldn't have made such a move.

That is the idea I am latching on to, in the long term investing in making money so I can actually make a move overseas and become a well established expat.

Post: #13

(05-15-2016 11:18 PM)Valentine Wrote:  Accept London for what it is, continue to date and try to find great girls in the local area.

Take short trips to your favourite abroad locales whenever you can.

Stack your money right so you'll be able to live in your desired country in the future.

Many members are in the exact same situation. This is the sacrifice we have to make for the short-term to have a great future ahead.

You're a smart man for choosing to get your financial situation right first over the pleasure of living in a pussy paradise. I made the same decision myself and it's not an easy going back to living with parents, but in the long-term you'll be far better off.

Sounds like the most desired option. Ultimately short term gain has to be moved aside from longer term vision. The more i have disgusted manosphere material, the more I have come to realise that dreams and purpose really move everything else to the side. Women and comfort included.

I got your PM and will get back to you.

Post: #14

Is there any recommendation that in the States if you do well but just don't get that much vacation, how do you get abroad to see feminine girls? I can't forego such a good job and salary, among other things ...

Post: #15

H1N1 and Valentine are right, plus you'll find London is an exceptionally good place for meeting attractive girls, both at night and during the day.

Post: #16

Save money, build skills and contacts you could use in another country, don't get anyone pregnant.

Post: #17

You're in a city with a population of 8 million+ with year round tourism and what I would imagine a decent amount of [female]foreign transplants. Do what I do; focus on those niches.

It gets way worse. I'm currently in a US college town with a population barely over 100,000 and a sizable elderly population.