Post: #1

Ok guys, just a question, which style gives you more bang, direct game or indirect game. I feel like when I put too much effort into indirect game, like going through the whole pipeline of attraction+qualification and stuffs and not making my intention verbally clear i do not receive the same level of traction than when i go for direct game. Maybe goes with my personality or the girl's personality. What's your experience with these styles.
Caveat, I'm in my early 30's and usually go for 25-35 which is kind of like the age bracket where women are thinking about their Disney story of finding the their "charming princess". For me, usually women around the 30 year old limit are more receptive to these style.

Post: #2

It's not an either/or thing. Both can be effective.

It depends on:

-You
-The location
-The local culture
-The circumstances
-The girl

and various other factors

If direct is a better fit for your personality as you say then stick with that where appropriate. Though, considering the factors above, you will have to change it up sometimes if you want to be the most effective in various situations.

Also, read these:

http://www.rooshv.com/direct-game-vs-indirect-game

http://www.rooshv.com/direct-day-game-for-beginners

http://www.returnofkings.com/81808/indir...tiful-girl

Related threads:

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/thread-29399.html


Good advice (follow the links as well):

(12-23-2012 03:48 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  Guys should experiment with both styles and find a method that works for them. Like most of these "debates", there is no "right or "wrong" answer.

I have used both methods alot and I think there is a time to use each of them. It all depends on the type of girl and the type of situation. The art form is knowing when to use each style. Some environments are better for indirect, some are better for direct. Some girls react better to direct, some indirect. After a while, you sort of get a sense for it. You look at the girl, her look, her vibe, her clothes, and then you try to present the style of game that you think she will best react to.

Newbies should practice both styles. Direct is really not that difficult.

"Excuse me, I thought you were cute and had to meet you"

Whats the worst that can happen? She says--"thanks but i have a boyfriend".

Beginners should do this just as an inner game boosting exercise.

Getting laid is not about direct vs indirect. Getting laid is about everything you do after the opener.

Check these threads:

/thread-14130-...#pid267823

/thread-9001-p...#pid133419

/thread-14130-...#pid264032

Post: #3

For me as I've gotten older and out of the club game, and more into opportunistic day game and social circle, indirect easily wins.

When I was clubbing, direct got me girls, and me getting girls directly built social proof which allowed me to get hotter girls indirectly.

You need both, but indirect is the more valuable long term tool.
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For the new players reading,
- generic indirect is a method where you talk to her and she expresses romantic interest in you before you express interest in her.

- And direct is where you express your romantic interest first.

Q. Why doesn't the girl assume that every move a man makes is a direct approach?

A. They all assume the worst, and they're just waiting to pounce on you for trying to hit on them. (If you take the cynical view. You can also assume the best as well)

When you don't, that's when the chick is unsettled. After you show value, and she's into what you're saying and doing, she *wants* you to hit on her. That's something she didn't want previous. But you don't give her anything until she gives you something. That sets up a dynamic for you.
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In terms of practice, direct is quick and forces a chick to make a snap judgment. Indirect is by design about ambiguity as to your intentions and plays off a chick's expectations.

I wrote about an indirect public transit approach yesterday.

Recap and explanation

Two guys on a train, one cute girl
Talking about Game of Thrones.
I non verbally open guy one. Then verbally acknowledge guy two. Then I talk to all of them about Game of Thrones, switching eye contact.
I hold court for maybe two minutes.

After that she asks for my name.

That's an indicator of interest. She's open and receptive, but most importantly she showed her hand first.

If I barged into their conversation and tried to get at her straight up, the guys would get defensive, and even if the girl liked me, she couldn't act on anything without losing something with her current guy friends.

So tops 4-5 minutes of me talking and dominating a conversation with total strangers.

The game principles involved here are
- handle the men first
- address the group
- be passionate
- show value, give value - in this case they were trying to puzzle out something that had happened
- don't show your hand, let her move first.

The overarching philosophy is that whoever is the shiniest and brightest gets the girls attention, but she wants to be acknowledged...But unlike every other guy you don't give it to her. By making the chick the focus, she gets to be in her typical social position. The queen.

I am a king.

Hardcore mystery method would have me work the entire train before I got to her group. Like the good looking well dressed restaurant owner talking to all the patrons

Direct wouldn't work in this situation because she had two guys with her. Further, without showing value, all she had to work with is what I look like. Given she was some random blonde chick with two hipster white guys, it's not a lock that she'd be into dreadlocked black dudes. Maybe she was, but in that setting she can't come out and say anything without making her guy friends feel weird. Social dynamics.

I've given value to the group, so she could chat me up with no damage to social reputation, because they ask think I'm cool.

With indirect I've given everyone a lot of respect and good feelings, and the chick a way to connect on the low.

There are few situations where indirect won't work better than direct. For so-called tens, most long term practitioners have found that getting the ten to show her hand first is what sets you apart from the rest.

But in terms of time and setting, a night game club or meat market situation, indirect requires a lot more than you need to get laid with a cute girl. You end up using indirect on her girlfriends even if you approach directly.

The finest chicks at a night club aren't there by themselves. And in the stupid social order of a club, the chick in platform heels and a miniskirt has more value than a surgeon. So where you can get at the cute chicks who came with their girlfriends directly, the hot one in VIP who's getting hit on by ballers and everyone is waiting for her to hit the loo so they can get a shot.

But, if you're in a dense fun environment, go direct.

A chick that's in to you is just as fun as one that has to be shown the light.

WIA

Post: #4

I agree with GlobalMan and WestIndianArchie, depends on your personality and the situation.

I did direct almost exclusively when I was younger because I liked the emotional high it gave me and it forced a woman to decide whether she liked you or not quickly. I didn't like to waste time.

I prefer indirect now. I changed because direct is like throwing Hail Mary passes in football games. When they are successful, it's great but you will get reject a lot, sometimes by women who would've been more receptive if you had gone indirectly. Also, if you do it too well, women may think you are a player. Indirect wins over women who like you as well as women who are not sure.

Direct is good when you don't have much time. It's also okay if you are at bar or club, where the woman assumes any guy that talks to her is hitting on her. But if you aren't limited by time, indirect is probably a better option.

Post: #5

To clarify things direct obviously doesnt mean, 'lets fuck,' right?

Post: #6

It can, but

- Joey from friends, How you doing? Is direct. From the tone and delivery, it's a come on.

- I just had to talk to you because I found that you that were so *compliment*

- Lemme holla atcha real quick
- I see you over there looking at me, don't be shy, come talk to a bad guy

You can layer all sorts of game into a direct approach, but the sub communication is "I find you attractive and I want to base our chat on that fact."

WIA

Post: #7

(05-25-2016 05:50 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  For me as I've gotten older and out of the club game, and more into opportunistic day game and social circle, indirect easily wins.

When I was clubbing, direct got me girls, and me getting girls directly built social proof which allowed me to get hotter girls indirectly.

You need both, but indirect is the more valuable long term tool.
______________
For the new players reading,
- generic indirect is a method where you talk to her and she expresses romantic interest in you before you express interest in her.

- And direct is where you express your romantic interest first.

....

But, if you're in a dense fun environment, go direct.

A chick that's in to you is just as fun as one that has to be shown the light.

WIA

excellent post!!! you have a great way of explaining direct vs indirect!

the question of direct vs indirect has plagued me for some time. I am a college student at a smaller school. I too have noticed that confident direct game builds "social proof" (commands respect) even when getting rejected. A lot of random girls I have asked out very directly and have rejected me will smile and say hi, when they see me around. people gossip about my approaches... sometimes they are talking trash when i get rejected, some times giving props for an attempt even if i failed, other times they are praising when I score.

I have a cute girl that has been smiling at me in my class. i have also made a bit of chit-chat with her, and it is fairly clear she likes me. i made scene when someone tried to take my seat, and immediately afterward when I made eye contact with this girl for the first time, she smiled at me . (I am the fucking man in that class, its all women (including prof.) and geek guys) I have been in many scenarios like these, where I ask a girl for her number after brief chit-chat in class and get rejected. other times, I tell myself to wait it out and go less direct, to deal with the girl as if she was a guy... and end up never making a move.

how direct do you recommend to go in a classroom scenario ? in a social circle scenario? with a girl giving obvious (nonverbal) interest (always looking at me, smiling, standing very close to me) ?

Post: #8

If you're hitting on chicks that are looking for their "charming princess", chances are they aren't going to be into you at all.

Post: #9

This is kind of a stumbling point for me.

I've done a bit of daygame recently and I go indirect, but that seems like a problem in some way. If i'm not direct enough the conversation can fissile out because I'm not projecting enough interest... On the other hand I don't want to be too direct because I have to manage my reputation or avoid burning myself at a venue.

Regarding nightgame, I go decently direct initially but maybe there's something to be said about going more indirect initially.