Post: #1

I've read that bitter women begin to withhold displays to emotion, compassion, or interest; are slower to open in any conversation; distrust men; are less willing to put work in new relationships; care less if men think they're beautiful or not; unnaturally restrain their natural interest in men; and learn how to make a “bitch face” while in public, a frown that makes it seem as if she’s constantly smelling something bad. I've also read that the more bitter a woman is, the less giving and more vindictive she is in her relationship with men.

What are some examples of how this manifests in a relationship? For example, might it make a woman less willing to be sweet and obedient in bed, because she figures, "Why bother doing stuff I don't feel like doing in order to please a man sexually, given that men are such pigs, and won't reward me for what I invest in the relationship"?

(Incidentally, I've also run into younger women, in their teens or early twenties, who were sexually inexperienced, and nonetheless were still bitter and/or bitchy. So age and a history of relationship failures apparently aren't the only causes of these tendencies. Usually they described troubled relationships with their parents.)

Post: #2

I think bitter women tend to avoid dating, they don't need sex and the bitterness swamps the need for emotional connection. They get a cat.

The greater danger is jaded women, who have had way too much cock, been pumped and dumped and treated bad by Chad.

They are numb, distant, unable to function normally and have an authentic connection with.

I am seeing a lot of jaded women around, they are on the rise.

Post: #3

Don't try to apply logic to their personality change. Even they cannot explain it. The bitterness is an emotional response, not a logical one. It is simply how they begin to feel about the world after they hit the wall. Their time is over. They are helpless to regain their youth and power.

Post: #4

Always date, marry, bang, younger - you'll never have that problem.

As has been mentioned age=experience means they know the game and got fucked to may times.

They realize they fucked up.
They realized they missed good men to slut around.
They realize time is up, mother nature is calling.
They realize their SMV dropped fast.
They realize being a strong independent woman, killed their soul.

So much can be said about regrets and wishing they could do things different.

Quintus said it best: "Once broken or corrupted, women do not heal."

Post: #5

If a woman is bitter enough that it shows in her day to day behavior, avoid her. I'm not just talking about romantically either. Bitter women despise anyone who is happy or doing well for themselves. If they have any power in your life (boss, family etc) and it isn't to much work on their part, they will fuck you over out of spite. Lacking the inclination for retrospection, some one else is always to blame in their worlds.

Post: #6

False premise.

A young woman can be bitter and be anti-cooperative in a relationship. It's not related to her "N" count or other such nonsense.

If you're in the game *for real*, you recognize
- women's frames are malleable
- womens' moods are malleable
- women need a variety of emotions

So if a woman is being uncooperative, it's because she's not getting guidance. And women look for guidance externally more so than men. She's always taking social temperature to see "How she should be", "how she should feel". And they like that. It's not even a conscious thing. It's by design. You see it in young girls, like before hardcore social conditioning sets in. (it's like you can give a boy Barbies, and he'll play with that piece of plastic like it's a firetruck - and not anthropomorphize it)

So if a chick is not acting right
- her man isn't giving her proper guidance
- her religion/education/belief system/socialization isn't giving her proper guidance
- the things around her, that she pays attention to, are giving her poor guidance.

.....

Getting to your angle.

If she's been going through life without a strong male influence, without strong values, with poor information - she approaches her sexual relationships that way.

That's the state of play in the West. But that doesn't mean you need to hop on a plane.

In the 50's, you had the same issues. With TV and what not, women started getting all of these options on "how to be" and "how to feel". Before then, women would gather in quilting bees and church choirs and compare notes.

A woman wants to be free of any sort of control. That's her nature. That's the nature of man.

But as you see throughout human life, unfettered freedom, freedom without understanding what's being lost and what's being gained - is not a good thing. Freedom in practice pursues short term interests at the expense of long term interests

And that's what happens with chicks nowadays.

They are free to do what they want.
So that's what they do.
And we put things in place as a society to make it easy.

So even if she doesn't fuck a lot of guys and gets jaded - she still has all these bad reference experiences from other places. She tries to live her life based on those. I'm not mad at a chick like that, neither should any man be.

Most of these chicks without dudes do "fine", but emotionally and lifewise, they're a mess. Something went wrong and they don't know how to deal with it.

As she ages, these things fester.

Your job as a player, as a man, is to basically get rid of her poor programming.

You do this through
1) Knowing what the fuck you actually want her to do, her to be
2) Rewarding good behavior with affection/attention, and
3) Withdrawing from her for bad behavior.

It works on every human, but women especially will change their entire lives for a man. A chick dates a guy in cross fit, before you know it she's doing work out of the day. Heaviest thing she regularly lifted before was a half gallon of ice cream. Western Girls turn Muslim and go fight in Syria because of some halal cock.

So if you run into one of these damaged women, you CAN turn her around.

But Why?

The player's dilemma is "Any girl worth all of that, especially when I can get someone younger, hotter, with less of the baggage?"

Heavy behavior Mod and Deprogramming is a good thing for a player to learn, but you can do so in the context of a sexual part of a relationship with a plate/fuck buddy- not the "relationship" part with a monogamous LTR.

WIA

Post: #7

I stand humbled by WIA - while I was talking about only older women, he's right.

What WIA says is absolutely true about younger women as well.

Quote:You do this through
1) Knowing what the fuck you actually want her to do, her to be
2) Rewarding good behavior with affection/attention, and
3) Withdrawing from her for bad behavior.

This is standard MO of the player's creed, reward when good, put her in check when she acts up.

Quote:The player's dilemma is "Any girl worth all of that, especially when I can get someone younger, hotter, with less of the baggage?"

To me it's not, i've always stopped talking women around my age that act up, because I know I can still have young and fun.

Quote:Heavy behavior Mod and Deprogramming is a good thing for a player to learn, but you can do so in the context of a sexual part of a relationship with a plate/fuck buddy

Bingo, these bitches were never LTR material, just girls to have fun with. Practice makes perfect.

Post: #8

(06-23-2016 03:45 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  I think bitter women tend to avoid dating, they don't need sex and the bitterness swamps the need for emotional connection. They get a cat.

The greater danger is jaded women, who have had way too much cock, been pumped and dumped and treated bad by Chad.

They are numb, distant, unable to function normally and have an authentic connection with.

I am seeing a lot of jaded women around, they are on the rise.

Some of the older cat aficionados go in cycles. They get bitter and for a while and avoid dating, hypothesizing that they don't really need a man. Perhaps put on weight. After a while they do start feeling the grind of isolation, so they frantically start trying to clean up their act. They lose some weight, notice that men are starting to notice them again, regain some enthusiasm, and hit the singles scene for another go.

But their underlying pathology hasn't changed, and they end up getting pumped and dumped by the same type of chodes that it happened with three years prior in the last cycle. Jadeness increases, and the bitterness returns, and they withdraw again.

You can imagine this cycle happening three or four times over a particular woman's prime sexual lifespan.

But it is finally a generalization. I've met up with quite a few bitter before their time girls in their mid 20s. I've known a couple women in their early to mid 30s who were quite sweet. I think it finally just comes down to how much cock they've taken. The attractive older girls with lower notch counts are often ugly ducklings who matured into swans, and didn't really get started until they were in their mid 20s, or girls with more traditional upbringings that mostly did LTRs lasting years with a couple partners.

There are probably a few girls in the world who can take a lot of dick, but remain mostly pleasant and unjaded. They enjoy sex a lot, but also somehow developed an unshakable internal self-esteem that doesn't require a ton of validation...you might call this the "Independent" type, as opposed to a woman who is dominant or submissive. They're likely very rare, and my completely wild guess would be that they actually swing somewhat more conservative in their worldview than the average "empowered, sex-positive feminist" type that would have you believe they fit that model. But I wouldn't say that they're the unicorn we sometimes hope for - they'd still very much be young women, with all that entails. Who have taken a lot of cock.