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http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-...story.html

Quote:What do you do when you find yourself in an unhappy marriage but live in a country where there is no divorce?

You go on Facebook and hope to find others like you.

“I didn’t have anyone to talk to,” said 45-year-old Maviv Millora. “I was sure there were others like me who wished there was divorce in the Philippines, I just had to find them.”

After being married for more than 20 years, Millora separated from her husband in 2011. Since then, it’s been a vicious cycle of survival. She supports the two youngest of her four children with her earnings as an English teacher. She cannot claim child support since she is still technically married, but she also can’t afford the considerable legal costs of separation proceedings.

Online, she found Divorce Advocates of the Philippines, a Facebook group of more than 5,000 people. The group has since spun off into two other divorce groups, Pro-Divorce Philippines and Divorce for the Philippines Now International.

Some members were depressed and wanted to talk; some were angry and wanted to vent; and some just wanted legal advice without going to a lawyer who would charge by the hour – but they all wanted to demand the legalization of divorce.

In this devout Catholic country with deeply conservative views on marriage and family, Millora and others like her were expected to hide any cracks in the marital union and simply suffer in silence.

Exceptions in the law allow divorce for foreigners who are married to Filipinos, and for the 5% of the population that is Muslim.

For everyone else, the only loophole is an annulment – a notoriously agonizing process that is both financially and emotionally draining.

An annulment ends a marriage, but unlike divorce, the parties must prove that the marriage was never valid to begin with. Among the accepted reasons are that one or both parties were under age, or that there was a case of mistaken identity or fraud. Or the petitioner can try to prove that the spouse is “psychologically incapacitated” to perform the duties of marriage — and be ready to substantiate that claim with a psychological evaluation.

The usually acceptable reasons for ending a marriage such as infidelity, physical abuse or “irreconcilable differences” cannot be cited as grounds for annulment.

It takes an average of about four years — sometimes longer — for an annulment case to make its way through the clogged judicial system and even then, some annulment petitions are denied.

One famous case is that of a well-known Filipino talk show host, Amy Perez, who was abandoned by her musician husband, Brix Ferraris. She filed for annulment claiming infidelity and abandonment. The courts claimed that his behavior was “not rooted on some debilitating psychological condition” and denied her petition.

Cases like this pressure those desperate for freedom to slip the judge a “professional fee” to ensure a decision in their favor.

Annulments have become a lucrative sideline for judges whose courtrooms have earned the reputation of being annulment mills that manufacture the decisions in bulk, changing only the names of the petitioners to cope with the demand.

"Corruption is widespread in the annulment courts,” said Noel Segovia, senior prosecutor of the Office of the Solicitor General. “It is like a cancer.”

Even without bribes, legal fees associated with annulment come out to about $5,000. Add on the grease money, experts say, and the totals can shoot up to $10,000, far out of reach for the average Filipino who earns about $300 a month.

Annulment and the second chances that come with it become a luxury for the rich, while the poor and the middle class are left with little choice but to remain in a bad marriage.

“We’re not against good marriages,” said Cecil Jueco, the administrator of Divorce for the Philippines Now International. “If you are not in favor of divorce, then do not get one. Thank God you have a happy married life, but please understand the situation of people suffering in their existing marriages. Every Filipino should have the right to divorce.”

Some legislators continue to think otherwise. Pro-life advocate and Congressman Lito Atienza said he expected the divorce bill to be dismissed by Congress. Boxer and Sen. Manny Pacquaio has also expressed his opposition to divorce.

The [Roman Catholic] Church has reiterated its stance, saying that divorce weakens the institution of marriage and “spawns a host of problems, especially for children.”

Yna Vertudazo has heard it all before.

A retired overseas worker, the 60-year-old said that if divorce had been an option, she would have left her philandering husband instead of giving in to the pressure to stay married for their children.

She finally left him in 2005 after she walked in on him and his mistress. At her age, she said, Vertudazo is not looking for a fresh start, but she joined the march so younger people would have choices she did not.

“Everyone should have another chance at happiness. Enough with playing the martyr already,” Vertudazo said.

The divorce groups are hoping they have an ally in recently elected President Rodrigo Duterte. During his campaign, Duterte initially said he would not support legalized divorce, but later said “maybe there needs to be refinement of the law.”

His predecessor, Benigno Aquino III, an unmarried Catholic, categorically ruled out support for divorce. But Duterte, 71, has a different history and outlook. His first marriage ended in annulment. There is no official first lady, but his girlfriend, who is the mother of his 12-year-old daughter, is widely referred to as his common-law wife.

And Duterte makes little effort to hide his disdain for the Roman Catholic Church. The tough-talking president has called the church a “hypocritical institution” and openly supports birth control for the poor, calling the church’s stance against it “nonsense.”

His words give divorce supporters encouragement in what they know will be a long fight.

Already, the divorce groups have a growing following, with chapters opening up in provinces around the country and in other parts of globe where there are Filipino migrant communities.

“We are currently collecting signatures from members and supporters through an online campaign,” said Jueco. “At our next march, we will present the signatures to the president. We hope he will listen.”

Gentlemen, I present to you their supporters.

Post: #2

...so what are you getting at?

I don't see any overriding reason why men and women should be legally chained to the whims of the Catholic Church.

Post: #3

I bet that Duterte will send each of them a dildo...with an inscription "You can go fuck yourselves".

Post: #4

(08-23-2016 03:41 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  ...so what are you getting at?

I don't see any overriding reason why men and women should be legally chained to the whims of the Catholic Church.

That's pretty much the attitude that has sent western civilization right into the shitter. The same line of thinking as those wrinkly old whores in the pictures.

No rules, no morals, no consequences.

Next thing you know a grown man is in the women's bathroom jerking it in front of your 9 year old daughter, and the law let him in.

I'd rather watch the world burn then let degenerate faggots rule.

Post: #5

Good luck wit that, Phillipinos are some of the most pious catholic people in Asia, and Oceania, if not the world.
They don't want to hear that shit.

Post: #6

Looking at those pictures, I'm not so sure it was the wives who left the husbands.

Post: #7

I think the high divorce rate in Western society is one of its greatest flaws, but just to play devil's advocate: what about the women that truly are locked in a marriage with some drunk bastard who beats her every night?

Post: #8

(08-23-2016 09:07 PM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  I think the high divorce rate in Western society is one of its greatest flaws, but just to play devil's advocate: what about the women that truly are locked in a marriage with some drunk bastard who beats her every night?

What about her? She calls the cops and has her husband arrested.

The age of the disposable marriage has turned weddings into what they are now: a status symbol for women to check on her bucket list. They're the ultimate social redemption for women that she can collect like yet another overpriced and useless handbag. This is the end result of easy divorce.

Marriage, like having children, has consequences. Consequences that people need to consider before engaging. This is the way it should be.

Forget the Catholic church; marriage should be about the religious unity between a man and women regardless of religion. The precursor to bringing new life into this world.

Before the women's rights movement, marriage used to mean something. Now it doesn't.

These busted hags are simply testament to the shit-testing nature of women. They should serve as a warning to younger women what not to do: to choose their mate wisely and to commit to him and to be happy doing so.

Post: #9

(08-23-2016 03:41 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  ...so what are you getting at?

I don't see any overriding reason why men and women should be legally chained to the whims of the Catholic Church.

Societal stability, for starters. Sure, I am well-aware of the history of Catholic Church and how European royalty had multiple power plays with the aid of the Catholic Church; yet, every time I hear, see, or read some Catholic bashing at the hands of Christians of other denominations, I always end up, facepalming, because a lot of such members I personally encountered fail to remember, let alone learn, the Pornocracy (read: gynocentric power play that happened in the Roman Catholic Church).

Keep in mind a lot of pre-Crusades Englishwomen cucked their own men and betrayed their country just to dickride the Vikings; hence, lots of thirsty pre-Crusades Englishmen would go Crusading, once it happened.

(08-23-2016 04:16 PM)Irenicus Wrote:  I bet that Duterte will send each of them a dildo...with an inscription "You can go fuck yourselves".

LOL. He cares more about the country than listening to the whims of bitter Filipinas with secret CC pasts. I should know: my own mother has that look.

(08-23-2016 06:49 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 03:41 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  ...so what are you getting at?

I don't see any overriding reason why men and women should be legally chained to the whims of the Catholic Church.

That's pretty much the attitude that has sent western civilization right into the shitter. The same line of thinking as those wrinkly old whores in the pictures.

No rules, no morals, no consequences.

Next thing you know a grown man is in the women's bathroom jerking it in front of your 9 year old daughter, and the law let him in.

I'd rather watch the world burn then let degenerate faggots rule.

No rules, no morals, no consequences = no personal accountability. Heck, tons of Anglo-Celtic girls get mad at me, just for namedropping Jennifer of Cornwall and how her shenanigans led to a series of events that brought down the Celts from within.

(08-23-2016 06:53 PM)AboveAverageJoe Wrote:  Good luck wit that, Phillipinos are some of the most pious catholic people in Asia, and Oceania, if not the world.
They don't want to hear that shit.

Being Baptized and Communed Catholic, I can attest this.

(08-23-2016 09:04 PM)King of Monkeys Wrote:  Looking at those pictures, I'm not so sure it was the wives who left the husbands.

Just look at their physique, for reference. Really, emasculating your husbands for the sake of a pity-induced power trip? Putang ina kayong mga sakay titi.

(08-23-2016 09:07 PM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  I think the high divorce rate in Western society is one of its greatest flaws, but just to play devil's advocate: what about the women that truly are locked in a marriage with some drunk bastard who beats her every night?

Again, tokenism at the most objective level.

(08-23-2016 09:24 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 09:07 PM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  I think the high divorce rate in Western society is one of its greatest flaws, but just to play devil's advocate: what about the women that truly are locked in a marriage with some drunk bastard who beats her every night?

What about her? She calls the cops and has her husband arrested.

The age of the disposable marriage has turned weddings into what they are now: a status symbol for women to check on her bucket list. They're the ultimate social redemption for women that she can collect like yet another overpriced and useless handbag. This is the end result of easy divorce.

Marriage, like having children, has consequences. Consequences that people need to consider before engaging. This is the way it should be.

Forget the Catholic church; marriage should be about the religious unity between a man and women regardless of religion. The precursor to bringing new life into this world.

Before the women's rights movement, marriage used to mean something. Now it doesn't.

These busted hags are simply testament to the shit-testing nature of women. They should serve as a warning to younger women what to do: to choose their mate wisely and to commit to him and to be happy doing so.

I won't find it hard to believe if shit testing ended up my biological parents' marriage in an annulment. It'll be very personal if one of my biological dad's sisters (read: paternal aunts) purposely suggested my mom to do so.

Also, I ended up fixing your post a bit.

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Post: #11

I'm sure many westerners would agree if the cost of getting divorced where 3-4x their annual income.

Most of you guys say that divorce is making Filipino cultures shit but you guys don't understand that divorce is accessible elites. .