Post: #1

This article from Chateau Heartiste argues that over 70% of women read romance novels, and that those novels are powerfully destructive enough to cause women to hate their marriages and have affairs.

Do you agree?

Post: #2

I'm just waiting on the data sheet on how to write like an erotic novel writer to improve texting game. If men get off by nude pics, and women get off by stories - seems learning how to write really good erotic stories could be a great way to get girls.

Post: #3

(08-23-2016 06:35 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  This article from Chateau Heartiste argues that over 70% of women read romance novels, and that those novels are powerfully destructive enough to cause women to hate their marriages and have affairs.

Do you agree?

From Heartiste:
"So what is female porn? It’s pulp romance — in the form of books, movies and TV — that caresses lady limbic lobes to sprout slick clit dick. In a word: words."

No matter what people think of this topic, it would behoove all guys here to pay attention to the larger issue. Words have a bigger effect on women than they do men.

Anyone who has ever called their best friend "asswipe" then had a woman pitch a fit from hearing the same word knows this.

If men were better with words, they'd be better with women. In writing and in speaking, choose your words carefully. Make them count. Women's brains aren't the same as ours. Visuals matter less.

***

Back when I was studying journalism, I had a professor who was a Pulitizer Prize-winning newspaper writer. He had developed this entire system about how the use of specific words in specific sentences tap into our "emotional brain" as opposed to our "intellectual brain."

He tried to get us to use words so they'd impact people on a deep, emotional level. This wasn't easy to do. Instead of saying "She cried" you'd say "Tears streamed down her face."

While this approach, obviously, isn't an easy fit when it comes to PUA, some of it does apply. One thing I do is use words that I feel have an unconscious sexual charge. This gets women thinking sexually, but not in an obvious way. This works, for me at least.

One of my favorite words in this respect is "splay." I used to have a list but can't find it now. This is the only one I remember this second -- although in conversation they come to me naturally when I'm responding to a woman. You're on your own from here, but I gave you a start at least.

Post: #4

(08-23-2016 07:06 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  I'm just waiting on the data sheet on how to write like an erotic novel writer to improve texting game. If men get off by nude pics, and women get off by stories - seems learning how to write really good erotic stories could be a great way to get girls.

Take it from someone who's perfected this - it's pretty simple.

Be dominant.
Be detailed.

Telling women how I'd own every inch of them sexually is the single greatest opener I've used on Tinder. Cuts through all the bullshit and puts everything on the line. Combine that with killer pics and you're set.

The rest is up to you.

Post: #5

(08-23-2016 06:35 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  This article from Chateau Heartiste argues that over 70% of women read romance novels, and that those novels are powerfully destructive enough to cause women to hate their marriages and have affairs.

Do you agree?

Statistic at at the front, non-statistic at the back.

Like saying "100% of people are host to some form of parasites and parasites are dangerous enough to kill the afflicted."

Technically correct but ridiculously misleading.

Is the divorce/adultery rate at 70%?

Post: #6

Leonard,

That depends.

If you restrict your definition of adultery to "sexism contact between yourself and someone who isn't your spouse", then probably not.

But if you include emotional affairs and other "checking out of the marriage" behaviors, then probably so.

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DOBA,

If you can find that list, we'd all appreciate if you posted it under a separate forum topic.

Post: #7

It's not 1993 anymore. When was the last time you saw a woman reading a romance novel?

They found different avenues of entertainment : Facebook, Instagram , and TMZ.

Post: #8

This might be a crisis for Carl in accounting with his dadbod, ill fitting clothes, personality of a sandwich and Playstation expertise, but for us, this is one of those things we can use to our advantage to have great sex and make women obsessed with us.

You don't have to learn how to write erotica, you have to learn how to give her those experiences. She doesn't want vanilla sex on the same bed in the same 2 positions everytime.

She wants to be on her toes. She wants the occasional curveball. She wants to be fucked right. Owned. Dominated. This is both physical and verbal.

This is why a lot of relationships lose their steam, guys stop taking risks and giving the girl a rush. Routine kills relationships.

You might occasionally do something like take her for a nature walk but tell her to wear a dress, innocent at first but in her mind the potential is there. You get her to a secluded spot on a foot bridge over a stream, pull her dress up and fuck her from behind up against the railing.

Women don't forget stuff like that or the men that give them those experiences.

Post: #9

(08-23-2016 07:06 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  I'm just waiting on the data sheet on how to write like an erotic novel writer to improve texting game. If men get off by nude pics, and women get off by stories - seems learning how to write really good erotic stories could be a great way to get girls.

I had a girl I had hung out with before and a lot of LMR and didn't get the deed done. So I had her on the back burner for a while. One night we were texting late so I asked her if she was in bed yet (yes). I texted I was going to tell her a bedtime story, then I called. When she picked up I started with her in bed, etc. and then started into sextalk.

The next time- no LMR

Post: #10

(08-23-2016 07:55 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  Leonard,

That depends.

If you restrict your definition of adultery to "sexism contact between yourself and someone who isn't your spouse", then probably not.

But if you include emotional affairs and other "checking out of the marriage" behaviors, then probably so.
...

I still don't agree. You can find similar love story bombardment in other cultures south of the US border yet the divorce rates are low and when adultery occurs it's usually the husband cheating on the wife.

The alt-right is rife with these sorts of articles regarding some new bogeyman that's "destroying traditional marriages" or whatever. 99 percent of it is "author seeks to stay relevant" fodder for keyboard jockeys to sit, read and nod in a sagely fashion.

Women ditch their beta providers for simple and obvious reasons. Because he's gone limp, because the legal system allows her to bleed him post-divorce, and because social welfare provides a safety net even after he eats his own gun.

Going on snipe hunts for the romance novel that destroyed the nuclear family is just more blah blah blah to keep limpdick whiners in an emotional holding pattern, because God forbid if they simply accepted reality they might have to hit the gym and think about overthrowing their insane progressive totalitarian government.

But hey, maybe I'm overreacting. Some days my tolerance for this crap is lower than usual.

Post: #11

(08-23-2016 07:06 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  I'm just waiting on the data sheet on how to write like an erotic novel writer to improve texting game. If men get off by nude pics, and women get off by stories - seems learning how to write really good erotic stories could be a great way to get girls.

I thought I saw somebody post something like that here.

An enterprising player could read a popular romance novel and backwards engineer what works. Take the technique and structure and retool their verbal skills as well as their texting skills.

WIA

Post: #12

(08-23-2016 08:18 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  This might be a crisis for Carl in accounting with his dadbod, ill fitting clothes, personality of a sandwich and Playstation expertise, but for us, this is one of those things we can use to our advantage to have great sex and make women obsessed with us.

You don't have to learn how to write erotica, you have to learn how to give her those experiences. She doesn't want vanilla sex on the same bed in the same 2 positions everytime.

She wants to be on her toes. She wants the occasional curveball. She wants to be fucked right. Owned. Dominated. This is both physical and verbal.

This is why a lot of relationships lose their steam, guys stop taking risks and giving the girl a rush. Routine kills relationships.

You might occasionally do something like take her for a nature walk but tell her to wear a dress, innocent at first but in her mind the potential is there. You get her to a secluded spot on a foot bridge over a stream, pull her dress up and fuck her from behind up against the railing.

Women don't forget stuff like that or the men that give them those experiences.

Bang your wife in a way that borders on abuse, or she'll find someone else to do it.

Post: #13

You can probably find more SJW female porn in Cosmo than any romance novel.

Post: #14

(08-23-2016 08:06 PM)LINUX Wrote:  It's not 1993 anymore. When was the last time you saw a woman reading a romance novel?

They found different avenues of entertainment : Facebook, Instagram , and TMZ.

I agree, if women are given tools to love their own vanity easier they will pick that almost everytime over a mysterious sexual fiction.

Yeah there is Twilight and Shades of Grey. Those are experienced and quickly forgotten when they can carrot-stick 1000s of orbiters.

Post: #15

(08-23-2016 10:03 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 08:06 PM)LINUX Wrote:  It's not 1993 anymore. When was the last time you saw a woman reading a romance novel?

They found different avenues of entertainment : Facebook, Instagram , and TMZ.

I agree, if women are given tools to love their own vanity easier they will pick that almost everytime over a mysterious sexual fiction.

Yeah there is Twilight and Shades of Grey. Those are experienced and quickly forgotten when they can carrot-stick 1000s of orbiters.

Romance/Erotica is the most lucrative fiction genre by far, and well over 80% of R/E readers are women. I've seriously considered writing R/E novels for a living (under a pen name obviously), and I will experiment with that at some point. I have five or six erotic romance novels sketched out and ready to write, if I can ever find the time.

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As far as game goes, "building the fantasy" for a woman with nothing but words is a pretty valuable skill. I'm not sure I could teach it though; I've been doing it so long I just kind of let it flow as needed.

To the original question, I don't think romance novels are a primary cause in marriage destruction. They're fantasy, everyone has fantasies. What's much more powerful, though, is when a woman builds up a composite of all the exciting sexual experiences she's had and compares her husband to all the best of those guys at once.

Post: #16

For all the "superiority" women are purported to claim in the realm of language - whether in how they process or express it more "intuitively", you'd think there would be one decent communicator (orator, essayist, journalist) or novelist in the lot of them. Instead, we have many women who lament to "inferior" male's speech processing centers with:

"huh, well, you just like, don't get. Like, I don't know, you just can't."
"Ok, then you explain it to me."
"I am! Christ! Ya know it's like I just feeeel like you don't understand."
"How am I not understanding?" (Disagreeing is not misunderstanding)
"Ugggghhhh, I can't deal with this right now! *as she sulks down the hallway, mumbling about how men are such bad communicators*

Post: #17

Romance novels cause women to cheat just like Grand Theft Auto causes men to drive down the sidewalk and kill hookers with their Bentley.

Post: #18

I am actually pretty good at this. I read the book "Dangerous Men and Adventurous Women" years ago. Amazon link below:

https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Men-Adv...he+romance

It is a series of essays written by romance writers. Some of them are men, as I recall, but use a female nom de plume.

I highly recommend it. After I read it I grabbed a couple of old Harlequin romance novels my aunt had and read them. They are short reads. Everything we talk about on this forum is on display in those novels:

Supposedly strong woman.
Handsome jerk.
Woman sees man in action/situation where he is dominant.
Woman has feelings but doesn't understand/denies.
Man takes her and woman gives in.
Jerk has a tender side that only she is able to coax forth.
Blah, blah, blah.

I used to practice on MSN chat and still do occasionally on OKC chat. There is a British girl that messages me whenever she sees me online. I sexted her over the computer one night and made her cum. She sent me pics afterwards.

I tell them what I am doing to them,i.e., I force you to your knees, I grab a fistful of your hair, I love seeing the tears in your eyes as I force you to choke on my cock, etc.

You can't get graphic enough for them.

Be sure to include all five senses: sight, sound, smell, touch and taste. Be very descriptive. Don't just tell them how much you love fucking them. Describe it to them. Let them play the movie in their mind.

What draws a more vivid picture?

"I can't wait to see you later. I am going to destroy that pussy."

or

"When daddy sees you later I am going to put you over my knee and punish you. You've been a naughty girl, haven't you? Do you remember the last time daddy spanked you? Do you remember the feeling of my strong hand coming down again and again on your tender ass cheeks? Smack. Smack. Smack. Do you remember how wet it made you?"

Women eat this shit up. I have done this with many girls on OKC. I make them cum and their brains get fried. They can't believe some stranger on the internet just made them finger themselves to orgasm. Oftentimes immediately after we get done sexting they disable their account. A few weeks or a month goes by and they are active again and visit my profile.

They are not getting fucked like this in real life. They see it on tv and in the movies. They read about it in books. Yet they only get missionary, cowgirl and occasionally doggy with their boyfriends.

I have fucked women up against bathroom counters and told them to watch me as I fuck them. I narrate while I fuck them. Use descriptive words and make them repeat them back to you.

I often use "you might be the sweet/innocent (not) cashier/student/teacher when you are out there. But here, with me, you are my slut. My fuck toy. Your body is mine. Say it!" I have had girls scream that they are sluts, that they love the feel of my fat cock inside of them, etc. It really is a turn on and ego boost. lol

My first real life success came when a girl on Match years ago told me she had always wanted to have sex in this bandshell at a park near her house. She told me that she had wanted to fuck there ever since her school band played their as a kid. Her exbf told her she was weird to want to fuck there.

I figured fuck it. I reread some of the Harlequin books and wrote a quick story of us having sex there; the wind in the trees. How we would have to be careful of passersby, street lights, etc.

First time we met up she insisted we go right there.

For guys who are not as good looking or who are older this is a great tool to have in the tool box. We all bitch about how much time women spend on their phones. If you get good at this you are giving her something no one else is... her very own porno and she is the star!

Post: #19

(08-23-2016 11:33 PM)wi30 Wrote:  Romance novels cause women to cheat just like Grand Theft Auto causes men to drive down the sidewalk and kill hookers with their Bentley.

This guy


has been playing to much GTA

Post: #20

(08-23-2016 07:10 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 06:35 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  This article from Chateau Heartiste argues that over 70% of women read romance novels, and that those novels are powerfully destructive enough to cause women to hate their marriages and have affairs.

Do you agree?

From Heartiste:
"So what is female porn? It’s pulp romance — in the form of books, movies and TV — that caresses lady limbic lobes to sprout slick clit dick. In a word: words."

No matter what people think of this topic, it would behoove all guys here to pay attention to the larger issue. Words have a bigger effect on women than they do men.

Anyone who has ever called their best friend "asswipe" then had a woman pitch a fit from hearing the same word knows this.

If men were better with words, they'd be better with women. In writing and in speaking, choose your words carefully. Make them count. Women's brains aren't the same as ours. Visuals matter less.

***

Back when I was studying journalism, I had a professor who was a Pulitizer Prize-winning newspaper writer. He had developed this entire system about how the use of specific words in specific sentences tap into our "emotional brain" as opposed to our "intellectual brain."

He tried to get us to use words so they'd impact people on a deep, emotional level. This wasn't easy to do. Instead of saying "She cried" you'd say "Tears streamed down her face."

While this approach, obviously, isn't an easy fit when it comes to PUA, some of it does apply. One thing I do is use words that I feel have an unconscious sexual charge. This gets women thinking sexually, but not in an obvious way. This works, for me at least.

One of my favorite words in this respect is "splay." I used to have a list but can't find it now. This is the only one I remember this second -- although in conversation they come to me naturally when I'm responding to a woman. You're on your own from here, but I gave you a start at least.

Arsewipe is a very fine insult. I remember fondly the first time I heard it, when a friend of mine was called a 'blithering little arsewipe', by a Latin teacher we had when we were about 10 or 11 (there, presumably, not being a direct Latin equivalent he relied on the modern invective). I roared with laughter at the time (earning myself a detention I believe), and even now it brings an unforced smile to my lips. Our teachers saw to it that we had a truly rounded education, and for that I will always be grateful.

Post: #21

I am surprised that nobody has mentioned Fifty Shades on this thread. I have met women who think Christian is some type of deity.

Post: #22

I think traditional Jackie Collins style romance novels are appealing mostly to the post-wall demographic. I think the younger incels are less into traditional romance novels and more into fandom, you know, like "shipping" and "slash" and fan-fiction. The whole Twilight thing, for instance, which is where 50-shades originated in the first place.

Of course, these are ALSO the same women who shame and belittle men for being into porn.

Post: #23

Romance novels are dead. I think they died with 50 Shades. I used to see women reading it in public a lot. Whoever is reading those novels on Amazon now are probably married and older women.

Women these days watch real porn, just like what men do. Every girl I am with tells me she does, often, probably daily.

You can't discount the power of the written word, but I think we are at the dawn of a new era where women will watch porn as much as men.

Post: #24

You guys are forgetting that many people don't read books anymore. They read e-books and are reading them on their phones.

Fandom is huge for some younger women, especially women under 30. It's not just books like Twilight. It was television shows like Roswell and Dawson's Creek.