Post: #1

I haven't read any game material in a while, I'm going to re-read one or two to refresh on the basics, I'm slowly getting back into night game and a little rusty. Also every time I read a book a second time I'm surprised at how much I've forgotten or just completely missed the first time. I'd also be open to reading a completely new book.

As we know the game changes. My question is which book would you consider to be most relevant in 2016? Mystery Method seems the obvious choice for me at the moment, other than the canned openers and the feather boas the advice seemed pretty timeless.

Post: #2

I only do daygame and social-circle game.
For social circle game you just need to apply the basic attraction/comfort stuff. Just by reading the manosphere, Roissy,this and other forums, ROK...you will be well served.
As for daygame, I follow Krauser's advice. His daygame mastery book is great. Roosh's Day Bang is great too, the old man tactic is useful as fuck,
You will probably want some resources for inner game and general "what do". I advise you to look up Jason Capital. Great guy, classic material.

Post: #3

If you like technical stuff, Google Tyler's Digest. It's old school, and some of the techniques are dated, however reading through a guy's game manual is more about his thought process.

And the best book right now is not actually a book - It's collected comments from a guy that posts in the reply section at Heartiste and Rollo's sites. He's like 95% game, maybe 5% dealing with trolls.

http://avaxhome.mobi/personality/1081-th...eally.html

There are other copies of the book out there, this was the one I googled.

plus there's an online archive, but the book is organized better than the site. (Not by much, it could use even better organization)

WIA

Post: #4

Are people still writing about game? I thought pua was dead and buried.

Post: #5

@Pride

It's the mostly the same people that found pickup before it went commercial.

85% of the issues that I see here were covered in the early part of the millennium.

Girl doesn't text back = girl doesn't call back

"Chick was a bitch to me because"...same

"My girl is acting up..what should I do?" = same

I'd say that every generation reinvents the wheel, but 2016 game is more like an octagon because new guys/teachers don't have easy access to what worked before.

WIA

Post: #6

WIA those both look really interesting. Will check em out. Thanks.

Post: #7

Models by Mark Manson is probably the one that gave me the best results with the way society is today

Post: #8

If someone was able to download the YaReally archive could you please PM it to me?

Post: #9

The most recent I have read is Magic Bullets by Nick Savoy.

Its a really good bare bones, ground up look at game in general for the total beginner.

There is nothing particularly new or innovative, however it could be seen as a very condensed, easier to retain summary of Mystery Method.

If I had a young teenage brother I would drop Magic Bullets, Bang and Day Bang in his lap as the beginning fundamentals.

Post: #10

I second Nick Krauser. He's legit.

Post: #11

(09-01-2016 08:57 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  If you like technical stuff, Google Tyler's Digest. It's old school, and some of the techniques are dated, however reading through a guy's game manual is more about his thought process.

And the best book right now is not actually a book - It's collected comments from a guy that posts in the reply section at Heartiste and Rollo's sites. He's like 95% game, maybe 5% dealing with trolls.

http://avaxhome.mobi/personality/1081-th...eally.html

There are other copies of the book out there, this was the one I googled.

plus there's an online archive, but the book is organized better than the site. (Not by much, it could use even better organization)

WIA

That YaReally archive is excellent - Almost reads like Book of Pook.

Great interpretations too.

Post: #12

WIA - what's your take on Mark Manson's Models?

Post: #13

(09-01-2016 04:10 PM)redbeard Wrote:  WIA - what's your take on Mark Manson's Models?

I haven't read it since it dropped, but I remember that it really resonated with guys who didn't like mystery. (I think most guys actually dislike who they think mystery is, or what he represents, not what he actually says)

1. Polarization is the first big thing everyone takes away from his book. 90% hates your guts, 10% will follow you over a cliff. It's okay to have haters.

2. Don't deal with shit tests. (Which fits nicely with the first point)

Even if you beat a chick in a battle of wits, what's the prize? A bitchy chick.

3. He was in SEA when he wrote it, versus guys in tough cities like San Francisco, Toronto, and D.C.

Could be wrong about the last part, but the two mains I'm pretty sure of.

I'd call his style "ping and bang".
Good for getting laid, great to keep your spirits up, but ultimately not good game.

Not everyone is in it for the skillset, they don't see the point as long as they're fucking

WIA

Post: #14

The Manual by W. Anton is great if you're looking for a refresher. My personal opinion on it is that the author focuses too much on mindset - I'd say about 97% of the book is about inner game. When I first read it when I was 17 or so I remember being mind blown, but recently I re-read it and I didn't find any groundbreaking bits of information. Everything that's discussed in the book can be found on this forum, but for beginners it's a good place to start.

As for more technical stuff, it's not a book, but I've been reading Chase Amante's stuff from girlschase.com. Very underrated as a game blogger.

Post: #15

Chase is dope

Post: #16

(09-01-2016 08:37 AM)Gas Wrote:  I haven't read any game material in a while, I'm going to re-read one or two to refresh on the basics, I'm slowly getting back into night game and a little rusty. Also every time I read a book a second time I'm surprised at how much I've forgotten or just completely missed the first time. I'd also be open to reading a completely new book.

As we know the game changes. My question is which book would you consider to be most relevant in 2016? Mystery Method seems the obvious choice for me at the moment, other than the canned openers and the feather boas the advice seemed pretty timeless.

Haven't bothered reading any "game" related stuff in awhile myself.

Back in the day I read some of Carlos Xuma's material - I'd say it was good on a basic enough level, not to mention it went beyond just "game advice" and focused on overall lifestyle and on living "alpha" day by day rather than just trying to "look" alpha when you're meeting women. (it encouraged me to take up martial arts for example).

Only "game" book I have on my list right now is the Art of Seduction by Robert Greene, and to me it seems like it'd be an improvement over the overly-technical stuff since it deals more with timeless advice using historical anecdotes.

I honestly find the overly technical stuff to be counter-productive myself since encourages an overly rigid mindset rather than being natural and in the flow of the moment.

Post: #17

(09-01-2016 04:34 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 04:10 PM)redbeard Wrote:  WIA - what's your take on Mark Manson's Models?

I haven't read it since it dropped, but I remember that it really resonated with guys who didn't like mystery. (I think most guys actually dislike who they think mystery is, or what he represents, not what he actually says)

1. Polarization is the first big thing everyone takes away from his book. 90% hates your guts, 10% will follow you over a cliff. It's okay to have haters.

2. Don't deal with shit tests. (Which fits nicely with the first point)

Even if you beat a chick in a battle of wits, what's the prize? A bitchy chick.

3. He was in SEA when he wrote it, versus guys in tough cities like San Francisco, Toronto, and D.C.

Could be wrong about the last part, but the two mains I'm pretty sure of.

I'd call his style "ping and bang".
Good for getting laid, great to keep your spirits up, but ultimately not good game.

Not everyone is in it for the skillset, they don't see the point as long as they're fucking

WIA

Good points.

I never read the book, but it seems every review of it is from guys who were burnt out over MM and wanted something else. "Free yourself from canned routines and learn natural seduction!" Like they kept walking up to chicks, got stumped with canned openers, and couldn't improvise something on their own. Instead of learning other lines they open up "Models" and are converted to the "natural game" where they can walk up to girls and say "hello I am interested in you" and succeed.

I had no clue he was in SEA when he wrote the book...that's like a minor league coach trying to coach LeBron.

A question I often wonder is, "if someone is new to game, what book do you recommend?" The biggest hurdle (as you alluded to in another post) is to accept that game can be learned. After that, the book should contain:

-Everything from opening to closing
-Just enough biology for guys to understand man vs. woman
-Straight-up techniques
-Basic troubleshooting
-Not too much theory

In my opinion Bang fits this perfectly. As a math type...I'd add Bang PLUS the chart from MM (Attract 1-3, Comfort 1-3, Seduce 1-3). I really like that, and think it's important to think about where you are in the process. Off topic but that chart also relates to sales...you never come in guns blazing and say "BUY THIS RIGHT NOW!" you have to attract the customer, comfort them with testimonials, then seduce them with a discount.

Post: #18

(09-01-2016 08:36 PM)redbeard Wrote:  Good points.

I never read the book, but it seems every review of it is from guys who were burnt out over MM and wanted something else. "Free yourself from canned routines and learn natural seduction!" Like they kept walking up to chicks, got stumped with canned openers, and couldn't improvise something on their own. Instead of learning other lines they open up "Models" and are converted to the "natural game" where they can walk up to girls and say "hello I am interested in you" and succeed.

I see "net game" history as

- Ovid
- Don Juan/Casanova
- Iceberg Slim

- Ross Jeffries
- Alt.Seduction.Fast

- Mystery/Style

- Book called "The Game" comes out

- Tyler has to reinvent - "natural game" becomes the thing

- Pick Up Artist TV Show - makes canned game look good, but horrible.

- Roosh/Roissy/Rollo/(Dal)Rock

- Manosphere

- Current Era - heavy on lifestyle game, travel and logistics.

(09-01-2016 08:36 PM)redbeard Wrote:  I had no clue he was in SEA when he wrote the book...that's like a minor league coach trying to coach LeBron.

He's one of those guys that got featured on the Tropical MBA/Lifestyle Business podcast - one of the first people I'd heard of who actually managed to do the 4hr Work Week. He rebranded as Post-Masculine at first, and now it's just Mark Manson.

It's all personal development stuff - which as far as I'm concerned is a content treadmill. I was listening to all of those 4HWW type podcasts, and they're all either making content or offering services.

That's the business I'm in now. (except mine is not portable)

They've now jumped on FBA, and there are a few guys talking about straight up e-commerce.

(09-01-2016 08:36 PM)redbeard Wrote:  A question I often wonder is, "if someone is new to game, what book do you recommend?" The biggest hurdle (as you alluded to in another post) is to accept that game can be learned. After that, the book should contain:

-Everything from opening to closing
-Just enough biology for guys to understand man vs. woman
-Straight-up techniques
-Basic troubleshooting
-Not too much theory

In my opinion Bang fits this perfectly. As a math type...I'd add Bang PLUS the chart from MM (Attract 1-3, Comfort 1-3, Seduce 1-3). I really like that, and think it's important to think about where you are in the process. Off topic but that chart also relates to sales...you never come in guns blazing and say "BUY THIS RIGHT NOW!" you have to attract the customer, comfort them with testimonials, then seduce them with a discount.

I was reading something on Tuesday or Wednesday that named a good chunk of the old school pua skill set. It was a lair leader (hah, remember that, lair? can we be more Dungeons and Dragons?)... from Europe who by all accounts is actually a stellar player.

For the newbs
- this thing exists
- it can be done
- they can do it.

From there, I just don't know.

The easiest ways to get pussy are social circle and online, but those are actually hard to learn game from.

Since the cost of pussy has dropped so much, I don't think guys think they even need "Game".

Why would anyone need to learn
- how to hold court
- how to handle other guys trying to interrupt you to steal your chick
- how to merge a few sets together
- what to do when she starts talking about sucking dicks while you're at the bar?

You can just swipe 50 chicks and one will swipe you back. Improve your look by dressing better and working out and maybe that drops to 1 out of 20. When shits that easy, what I'm talking about sounds crazy.

Day game is more accessible to a lot of guys, but good places to actually day game - where you're approaching 4-5 sets of girls per hour - are few and far between. Not even all of NYC is good for this, it's probably a handful of places in lower Manhattan where you're going to see lots of young and pretty chicks going about their day.

Roll up to midtown, and you've got busy chicks going to work or lunch. So you have to make great impact in a short time to get a solid #. She's not actually going to spend her 30 minute break with you at Au Bon Pain.

If you're in the wrong part of Brooklyn, you're not seeing anyone for hours.

Now imagine you were in Sacramento or Charlotte. Unless you're on campus...

So all that's left is night game. The only way to get that much face time with chicks who are ostensibly trying to be social.

But night clubs and bars are dying. There used to be more places to go, and those places had people. Now everyone's at home online, or not gathering together, or they're packed into these bottle service clubs where people are too stiff for most of the night.

We're already seeing that the millennial generation is having less sex than we are.

Whole world is messed up when getting laid is easier, but learning game is harder.

*goes the way of the sabretooth*

WIA

Post: #19

Tell me a little about your personality and the type of game you want to run and I can point you in the right direction of someone on this forum that can teach you. I've met so many guys by now I guarantee you that the PUA out there on YouTube -- and with books -- couldn't hold a candle to these guys.

I've seen forum members pull off threesomes, orgies, making out with flight attendants, 90 second bangs in club bathrooms , 5 - 6 women a night , I even saw one guy give a girl a pair of underwear that the previous girl had just left in his bathroom and the new girl wore them home knowing they were full of the other girls cum drippings. I could go on and on. I have photos of all this. Hell. One forum member had his own method of sending dick picks to Airbnb host.

And still you guys want to read books on how to open a set.

You're sitting on a goddamn gold mine and you don't even know it.

Post: #20

^links?

Post: #21

Oh wow, if that's true I'd totally have to meet some of you guys one day.

Post: #22

(09-01-2016 09:58 PM)LINUX Wrote:  Tell me a little about your personality and the type of game you want to run and I can point you in the right direction of someone on this forum that can teach you. I've met so many guys by now I guarantee you that the PUA out there on YouTube -- and with books -- couldn't hold a candle to these guys.

I've seen forum members pull off threesomes, orgies, making out with flight attendants, 90 second bangs in club bathrooms , 5 - 6 women a night , I even saw one guy give a girl a pair of underwear that the previous girl had just left in his bathroom and the new girl wore them home knowing they were full of the other girls cum drippings. I could go on and on. I have photos of all this. Hell. One forum member had his own method of sending dick picks to Airbnb host.

And still you guys want to read books on how to open a set.

You're sitting on a goddamn gold mine and you don't even know it.

I would be interested in that last one haha

I've used Air BnB a few times for FSU places.

Post: #23

(09-01-2016 09:58 PM)LINUX Wrote:  Tell me a little about your personality and the type of game you want to run and I can point you in the right direction of someone on this forum that can teach you. I've met so many guys by now I guarantee you that the PUA out there on YouTube -- and with books -- couldn't hold a candle to these guys.

I've seen forum members pull off threesomes, orgies, making out with flight attendants, 90 second bangs in club bathrooms , 5 - 6 women a night , I even saw one guy give a girl a pair of underwear that the previous girl had just left in his bathroom and the new girl wore them home knowing they were full of the other girls cum drippings. I could go on and on. I have photos of all this. Hell. One forum member had his own method of sending dick picks to Airbnb host.

And still you guys want to read books on how to open a set.

You're sitting on a goddamn gold mine and you don't even know it.

I run game rather low energy. I don't experience good results on cold approaches in bars/clubs, often have strong approach anxiety - disastrous some days. I thrive when I meet girls through new social circles because I make friends easily and once I'm talking I'm naturally chatty and witty and can get girls to laugh a lot. Some guys have the problem of running out of things to say - I have never had this problem with any girl. 80% of my problems come in the approach. The remaining 20% is attraction. If I can get a girl on a date, my close rate is good. I have an interesting career so once we're isolated and talking I can build attraction more easily and will feel like I'm on the home stretch. So most of my bangs are usually on 2nd or 3rd dates. Also a lot with girls I see in the regular course of my life.

LINUX appreciate the offer, I'll send you a PM.

Post: #24

I´d say that reading and practicing goes hand in hand. It depends on your current level of social skills and personality type to some extent how much you need to read.

1. Hanging out with guys with good game lets you absorb it from them (attitude, beliefs, body language etc). You have to pay a little more attention to the actual tactics/moves they do though since sometimes it´s not so easy to spot. Also, ask direct questions on how they do things. (Seeing how Linux does things, for example, will open your eyes and teach you alot more and alot faster than any book could).

2. Depending on your level of inner game issues and social intuition you might have to read some books about this, in order to understand what´s really going on when you hang out with guys with good game. Mystery Method for example is good to explain game social dynamics and actual hands on tactics. Old school David Deangelo is pretty good for inner game for the analytic person.

I don´t think much new is to be discovered in game regarding basic mindsets/beliefs/psychology, i.e. inner game, it´s all been said. Internet game is everchanging though now that online apps/social media are becoming more and more frequent. Also daygame is still a little less covered field. I like Krauser´s stuff but I wonder if so much theory is really necessary and that it more or less depends on your basic social skills and SMV how well you do. I´m not a very experienced daygamer though so this is just my two cents.

But number 1 is more important.

Post: #25

(09-02-2016 02:54 AM)fiasco360 Wrote:  I would be interested in that last one haha

I've used Air BnB a few times for FSU places.

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