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RE: List news outlets you somewhat trust
My dad is all about Infowars now, I showed him some Paul Joseph Watson videos and he's now addicted. Even got a shortcut to the home page set up on his cell phone main screen. He's also on Drudge about 20x a day.
Another tip I told my dad is to stop reading sites without comment sections. I was looking over his shoulder and he basically does what I do now -- read the headline and maybe a sentence in the main body, then go straight to comments to get the general audience tone.
I read Andrew Breitbart would always read the comment sections at http://ace.mu.nu to gauge where the audience is at then go from there. Now I can't get enough of that shit. This election is all about the People va The Elites, so why not see what the fellow Deplorables are thinking?
Speaking of Ace of Spades HQ I have posted that before and Weambulance correctly pointed out that Ace was hardcore NeverTrump in the early days but has bit the bullet and now fights the NRO elites daily on Twitter. The comments there are always encouraging -- almost every thread has people saying how they are warming to Trump, because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" especially in light of the recent media onslaught.
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Blaster
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RE: List news outlets you somewhat trust
None of them. Not a single one.
I trust Cernovich and Chuck C. Johnson (gotnews.com) on a lot of things (ie usually when they're breaking news about something and claiming they have a source, it's been vetted a decent amount). But even then, I still try to vet and verify anything I read from them.
For anything non-controversial and about some major happening, I tend to let reporters have some benefit of doubt.
The rest of the time, if I care about whether something is true, I read critically and try to piece together the truth from various sources. Often I give up and have to admit that I just cannot find enough published information to make a reasonable judgment on the relevant truth.
Basically, learn to vet articles. Here's a quick-and-dirty guide:
Evaluate assumptions. Often, the main payload of propaganda will be embedded in the assumptions that one needs to make to even make sense of the article.
Separate stated facts from opinions and speculation.
Evaluate facts for verifiability. Try to make sense of each assertion. How does this fit into reality as you understand it?
What important questions did the writer forget to ask?
Learn to spot lies and liars. Roosh and Cernovich are both fantastic at this. It's not just recognizing body language (although that is part of it), it's also about analyzing the actual claims and looking for holes and evaluating motivation, consistency, etc.
Learn to recognize and untangle fallacious reasoning. Modern media typists use every fallacy under the sun, but equivocation and question-begging are both very common. Rambling is another one that allows journalists to plant emotional "anchors" in your head without actually making a logical case. They will start out on one topic, then digress for no apparent reason to some other topic, simply so they they can use some word that they want you to associate with original thing. You don't have to be able to debunk every fallacy in an argument, just be able to recognize them so that you know when a writer is trying to trick you. Often, if I detect these kind of mindfucking tactics I just reject the article without bothering to finish it.
Ask, what does the author want to be true? (thx Last Psychiatrist for this one). Sometimes, just by asking yourself this question, you'll be able to make sense of an otherwise confusing propaganda article. When you understand the author's bias a lot will fall into place.
Specifically:
Does the author have any reason to misrepresent the truth? Who pays the author? What editors control the author's content?
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Brodiaga 
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RE: List news outlets you somewhat trust
Mainstream media:
Wall Street Journal. Usually balanced. Very analytical. No soundbites. Of course, they have their share of propaganda too, but at least they don't insult their readers' intelligence, so I give them credit for that.
I used to read the Economist and the Financial Times, follow CNBC and even read the NYT occasionally, but it's all in the past. The Economist exposed themselves as a bullshit elitist newspaper a long time ago, even before the Trump campaign. The Financial Times and CNBC showed their true colors when the Trump campaign started. As for NYT, they publish pretty good material occasionally (e.g. the article about toxic work environment at Amazon which is a must read for everybody), but obviously I don't trust them. To me, they are guilty until proven innocent.
Alternative media:
RT. I'm actually watching it right now. Pretty fair and balanced. For example, they don't support Hillary or Trump. However, I can't watch this channel more than about an hour because they repeat the exact same things all over again.
Zerohedge. This is where I get my news most of the time. Very red pill, pretty good quality as well. The problem I have with ZH is their negative bias as in "the economy is in the shit and about to collapse". Eventually they will be right, but if somebody followed them in 2011 and decided to stay out of the stock market up until now, they would have missed out on a huge bull run.
RVF threads in the "Politics and War" subforum.
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Sweet Jones 
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RE: List news outlets you somewhat trust
(10-15-2016 05:05 PM)Blaster Wrote: None of them. Not a single one.
I trust Cernovich and Chuck C. Johnson (gotnews.com) on a lot of things (ie usually when they're breaking news about something and claiming they have a source, it's been vetted a decent amount). But even then, I still try to vet and verify anything I read from them.
For anything non-controversial and about some major happening, I tend to let reporters have some benefit of doubt.
The rest of the time, if I care about whether something is true, I read critically and try to piece together the truth from various sources. Often I give up and have to admit that I just cannot find enough published information to make a reasonable judgment on the relevant truth.
Basically, learn to vet articles. Here's a quick-and-dirty guide:
Evaluate assumptions. Often, the main payload of propaganda will be embedded in the assumptions that one needs to make to even make sense of the article.
Separate stated facts from opinions and speculation.
Evaluate facts for verifiability. Try to make sense of each assertion. How does this fit into reality as you understand it?
What important questions did the writer forget to ask?
Learn to spot lies and liars. Roosh and Cernovich are both fantastic at this. It's not just recognizing body language (although that is part of it), it's also about analyzing the actual claims and looking for holes and evaluating motivation, consistency, etc.
Learn to recognize and untangle fallacious reasoning. Modern media typists use every fallacy under the sun, but equivocation and question-begging are both very common. Rambling is another one that allows journalists to plant emotional "anchors" in your head without actually making a logical case. They will start out on one topic, then digress for no apparent reason to some other topic, simply so they they can use some word that they want you to associate with original thing. You don't have to be able to debunk every fallacy in an argument, just be able to recognize them so that you know when a writer is trying to trick you. Often, if I detect these kind of mindfucking tactics I just reject the article without bothering to finish it.
Ask, what does the author want to be true? (thx Last Psychiatrist for this one). Sometimes, just by asking yourself this question, you'll be able to make sense of an otherwise confusing propaganda article. When you understand the author's bias a lot will fall into place.
Specifically:
Does the author have any reason to misrepresent the truth? Who pays the author? What editors control the author's content?
This is the only reasonable way to approach the media. Great post.
I would only add to look out for active/passive voice - that is, in the article, who are things happening to, and who is making them happen?
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Ivanis
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RE: List news outlets you somewhat trust
(10-15-2016 02:36 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote: CNN.
Their weather reports are ok.
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Ivanis
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RE: List news outlets you somewhat trust
(11-01-2016 08:06 PM)younggun Wrote: While I appreciate all they've done for the Trump campaign, I can't take Infowars and Breitbart seriously as legitimate news sources. This isn't an attack on the right wing, I despise CNN, NBC etc as well as the rags like Huffington Post and Buzzfeed.
Neutrality is key. Wall Street Journal puts out stuff I don't agree with but it doesn't read like propaganda. It's based in fact for the most part. Infowars and Breitbart read like propaganda.
I get it, we need people like Alex Jones to combat the media machine on the left. But I'd rather my news sources stayed non-partisan.
I agree. However, I still read other posts that are left or right leaning to obtain a complete picture. Any journalist is going to exclude some fact that will go against their personal political agenda. That's human nature, to be right.(Pun intended)
"You see, there are still faint glimmers of civilization left in this barbaric slaughterhouse that was once known as humanity. Indeed that's what we provide in our own modest, humble, insignificant... oh, fuck it." -Monsieur Gustave H, The Grand Budapest Hotel.
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