Post: #1

Think about it. If you look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, sex is one of the most basic needs. since the government gives away free food since it is a basic necessity, why not free sex? This would allow men to not have to resort to fucking fat pigs, which would cause a great deal of weight loss, but also allow men to walk away from girs with bad attitudes, forcing them to become more feminine.

Now, of course this won't happen because the government won't do this, they'll say immoral blah blah blah, even though the real reason is they are trying to oppress men, but if you think about it men being able to get sex on demand without putting in any effort would restore order.

Post: #2

I actually made an argument for this in my bioethics class in university. I got an A

My point was that, sex without the consequences is already provided to women as a positive right through subsidized abortions and women's health care. (Positive rights are like entitlements, whereas negative rights are what are actually in the Bill of Rights, the right to not be fucked with by the govt).

We have long had the negative right to consensual sex, but with subsidized abortions etc... women have been getting a positive right to sex without consequences. Why not include the sex, and include both genders?

It was a little bit of a tongue in cheek troll job, but I backed up my arguments and got a good grade.

Post: #3

Prostitutes are already very accessible to those who want them, the various laws around the world have done nothing to restrict what is and always will be the worlds oldest profession. Men want sex from woman who aren't banging 10 other dudes a day and only visit prostitutes out of desperation or variety without hassle (ie. in marriage)

The coming sexbotopia on the other hand, yes, that is a genuine innovation on the sexual market that will make waves.

Post: #4

Coming sexbotopia?

You mean for free right?

Also I think to be fair we need to allow girls to get male prostitutes for free. This way both fat dudes and chicks would be able to get laid. But what would happen? They would still want to lose the weight because the emotional connection still wouldn't be there, which is very important for humans, especially girls.

Post: #5

In Western countries girls get pedestalized and their pussies overvalued. Legalized prostitution will help balance things because a guy will be able to go bang some chick who is most likely hotter than the girl he normally would bang and the cost to bang ratio would be maybe even lower than taking girls on dates.

If you took some girl on a date and say you spent $100 and had a 50% chance of banging her, maybe less..... or you could go pay some chick $100 and have a guaranteed bang.

The value of Western pussy will slide like Enron and balance will be restored.

Another benefit is radical Islamic terrorism will also be lowered because would be terrorists could finally get a taste of white women.

Post: #6

(10-16-2016 02:19 PM)StephCurrybeast Wrote:  Think about it. If you look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, sex is one of the most basic needs. since the government gives away free food since it is a basic necessity, why not free sex? This would allow men to not have to resort to fucking fat pigs, which would cause a great deal of weight loss, but also allow men to walk away from girs with bad attitudes, forcing them to become more feminine.

Now, of course this won't happen because the government won't do this, they'll say immoral blah blah blah, even though the real reason is they are trying to oppress men, but if you think about it men being able to get sex on demand without putting in any effort would restore order.

For a new guy who hasn't even posted to the introduction thread, you seem to like controversy.
First of all, Maslow's pyramid :

As you can see, sex is NOT a basic need. Security and food for example are.

Now regarding your point, I don't agree that we should promote free sex. If sex become free for all, why would some men try to improve themselves? Let's be honest, we probably all did it firstly for girls. It would make even more men lazy to talk to "normal" girls and lose a step further our capacity to connect with the opposite sex. Look what porn already did...
In a way, our quest for sex brought the best out of us. If some are too lazy to work on themselves, they can still go to prostitutes, but I won't shed a tear for them. The world would likely be better if everyone could have sex, yes, but it will never happen IMO.
Moreover, nobody force you to have sex with fat pig. Stay strong.

(10-16-2016 03:16 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  In Western countries girls get pedestalized and their pussies overvalued. Legalized prostitution will help balance things because a guy will be able to go bang some chick who is most likely hotter than the girl he normally would bang and the cost to bang ratio would be maybe even lower than taking girls on dates.

If you took some girl on a date and say you spent $100 and had a 50% chance of banging her, maybe less..... or you could go pay some chick $100 and have a guaranteed bang.

The value of Western pussy will slide like Enron and balance will be restored.

Another benefit is radical Islamic terrorism will also be lowered because would be terrorists could finally get a taste of white women.

Let's be realistic : the sexual market will never be balanced. Women control the gateway to sex for biological/evolutional reasons. That's a fact, we need to accept this. But with work and tight game, you'll slowly have access to more, better quality and become in control (usually only after sex). Suddenly, you'll be getting more (provided you still put effort into it).

$100 for a date? No wonder you're frustrated. I put 30€ ($35) max : one drink for me, one for the girl. Use the line "What do you want? First round is on me" if you want the girl to pay for the 2nd round. And remember : if you pay for a prostitute, you're shooting yourself on the foot, cause you're saying to yourself "I worth nothing, so I have to pay a girl to want to spend time and have sex with me". Besides, don't expect any connection with the girl...


Overall, I got the impression that people on dry spell would make this kind of arguments. If that's the case, hold tight, be a man and persist and it will come. Everybody had it. You can do it!

Post: #7

Obvious troll is obvious.

Post: #8

(10-16-2016 05:46 PM)James Bond Next level Wrote:  First of all, Maslow's pyramid :

As you can see, sex is NOT a basic need. Security and food for example are.

The guy is probably a troll, but he got it right about the pyramid. Sex is in the bottom and it is one of the main needs. Re-check the image.

Even though this might be a trolling attempt it is an interesting argument. For the sake of mental masturbation...

Free sex would ruin a society.
Sex is one of the main drives in a man's life. You have to be better than others to get more sex, or to get any. If you are being honest with yourself you can trace all your achievements to the simple wish to stick it in.

So no sex drive, no competition, no improvement = stagnation, deterioration, degradation, collapse.

Post: #9

(10-16-2016 06:04 PM)Vinny Wrote:  If you are being honest with yourself you can trace all your achievements to the simple wish to stick it in.

So no sex drive, no competition, no improvement = stagnation, deterioration, degradation, collapse.

I had a girlfriend at one point who made a very compelling argument that the mother of all invention was not necessity but sex (i will never date a girl smarter than me again but that's another story). While it seems obvious to me now back then i argued against it.

You will see in the vast majority of cases sex is the main motivating factor if you look deep enough. A lot of people will deny it, but a lot of people would be wrong.

Japan's "herbivore men" and otaku culture is a good example of what happens when sex is out of the equation for any amount of men. They on average create and add nothing to society and are generally viewed with contempt by the vast majority.

Back on topic: I'm all for legalizing prostitution as long as there is still a social stigma against the whores and the johns. Having to pay for sex should not at any point become fully normalized.

Post: #10

(10-16-2016 06:17 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  

(10-16-2016 06:04 PM)Vinny Wrote:  If you are being honest with yourself you can trace all your achievements to the simple wish to stick it in.

So no sex drive, no competition, no improvement = stagnation, deterioration, degradation, collapse.

I had a girlfriend at one point who made a very compelling argument that the mother of all invention was not necessity but sex (i will never date a girl smarter than me again but that's another story). While it seems obvious to me now back then i argued against it.

You will see in the vast majority of cases sex is the main motivating factor if you look deep enough. A lot of people will deny it, but a lot of people would be wrong.

Japan's "herbivore men" and otaku culture is a good example of what happens when sex is out of the equation for any amount of men. They on average create and add nothing to society and are generally viewed with contempt by the vast majority.

Back on topic: I'm all for legalizing prostitution as long as there is still a social stigma against the whores and the johns. Having to pay for sex should not at any point become fully normalized.

The fact that you never drew that connection to begin with...

Post: #11

I'm not rolling, I'm just saying that girls are using sex to manipulate men and that power should be stripped to create balance. What did Roosh say in his speech. All his dad had to do to meet his mother was take a shower. Today, you have to work out, practice game, and deal with rejection, flaking, and all of a girl's bullshit. Now, amI fucking fat girls, no, but many men are, and most of them aren't chubby chasers, but thirsty fucks who have no standards. As for self-improvement, yes, we do improve ourselves to get laid, but in order to function properly we do need sex.

Post: #12

(10-16-2016 08:10 PM)StephCurrybeast Wrote:  I'm not rolling, I'm just saying that girls are using sex to manipulate men and that power should be stripped to create balance. What did Roosh say in his speech. All his dad had to do to meet his mother was take a shower. Today, you have to work out, practice game, and deal with rejection, flaking, and all of a girl's bullshit. Now, amI fucking fat girls, no, but many men are, and most of them aren't chubby chasers, but thirsty fucks who have no standards. As for self-improvement, yes, we do improve ourselves to get laid, but in order to function properly we do need sex.

Life is a test. Survival of the fittest. No matter what obstacles society puts in your way, best men will find a way to get sex and procreate.

Until recently that is what drove the human evolution.

Getting sex no longer requires you to risk your life by challenging the alpha male. Just be a bit creative and stubborn.

Why whine and ask for government to provide you with pussy?

Speaking of best men, look at this forum, there are plenty of guys who gets laid no matter what.

Post: #13

I’m from Spain. Prostitution there is neither legal nor illegal.

Spain is the country where men go the most to hookers. It is not prestigious but it does not have bad reputation either among men. We understand pussy is just a wethole to release sexual need + women are annoying as hell. That’s all.

Feminists are crazy about forbidding it. They claim that "women are forced, mafias, blablabla". The reality is that most of prostitutes are college students who do it because they get tons, tons of money.

I’ve never been to hookers yet since I am scared of STDs and I doing OK on tinder and daygame. But I know they day will come in which I will not access young pussy anymore. I’ll bless the chance of emptying my balls for 60 euros with a hot college student and go back home satisfied.

Post: #14

Having sex with multiple women is easier now than it ever has been with apps like Tinder. What are you talking about?

Staying in shape is something you should do anyway, its only recently that this obesity epidemic has overtaken both men and women in the US. Rejection has always been a part of life. And women have always preferred men with charisma (or game). Nobody is forcing men to settle, if a girl doesn't meet your LTR criteria, don't wife her. Last thing we need is more government. Besides, do you really think women who agree to be prostitutes for the government would in any way be attractive at all?

Post: #15

(10-16-2016 08:28 PM)Repo Wrote:  Besides, do you really think women who agree to be prostitutes for the government would in any way be attractive at all?

Go to red light district in Amsterdam to see if the legalized hookers are attractive or not... They can easily make 300 euros an hour. There is plenty of greedy hot chicks out there.

Post: #16

You think the government is going to pay $300 an hour? Sure prostitutes can be attractive, but ones that the government would agree to pay for, for all men? This is absurd.

Post: #17

So I just read about sexbots

Very interesting, could make waves

http://www.rooshv.com/an-epidemic-of-thi...o-get-laid

http://www.returnofkings.com/8609/how-th...yones-game

Then in Roosh's speech he said "they are becoming less attractive and their options are going up. ... all the attitude and weight gain is not stopping the options from coming in"

and why is that? thirsty men, tht's what, by satisfying male thirst, it will become more like Eastern Europe, where you still need game to get girls, but they will be nicer, because they have to be.

Post: #18

(10-16-2016 08:32 PM)Repo Wrote:  You think the government is going to pay $300 an hour? Sure prostitutes can be attractive, but ones that the government would agree to pay for, for all men? This is absurd.

In terms of subsidizing, no. But men can pay for it (and they do).

Post: #19

(10-16-2016 02:19 PM)StephCurrybeast Wrote:  Think about it. If you look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, sex is one of the most basic needs. since the government gives away free food since it is a basic necessity, why not free sex? This would allow men to not have to resort to fucking fat pigs, which would cause a great deal of weight loss, but also allow men to walk away from girs with bad attitudes, forcing them to become more feminine.

Now, of course this won't happen because the government won't do this, they'll say immoral blah blah blah, even though the real reason is they are trying to oppress men, but if you think about it men being able to get sex on demand without putting in any effort would restore order.

I like this post, you're thinking outside the box. I agree, sex should be more readily available to the vast majority of men, but that can be accomplished with a multitude of different changes to the sexual marketplace:

1)Legalized prostitution
2)Immigration policy switched to young females
3)Sexbots/VR porn

I'm almost offended that some of the replies state that sex is the main motivator towards accomplishments. Speaking anecdotally, I've accomplished various things in my life for different purposes. I first absorbed myself into fitness to fend off bullies and then continued way past the threshold of what is considered attractive to females because of my drive to improve myself and become the best man I could be. I studied my ass off in HS because of my personal pride in my intelligence and desire to attend to college of my dreams. I competed in sports that get zero female attention because of my desire to win. I joined a top fraternity in college because of my desire to form male friendships. I dress well because I derive a large portion of my confidence from my appearance. I bought a nice car because I like to drive fast. I work hard in my career to obtain financial security for myself, I don't even think that there is a direct correlation between making money and getting pussy. I've pretty much been in an LTR through a lot of these accomplishments-getting new pussy wasn't even on my mind.

Have I done things when I came back on the market to get pussy? Of course. But pretty much only learning game/manipulating technology to get the desired results. Everything else was self-motivated.

I would further argue that a good portion of the great achievers in society are internally motivated and do not have pussy on their minds. Look at the Forbes list-Gates, Buffet, Zuck, Bloomberg, etc-all married to old chubby 4's and get no pussy. The responses on this forum are going to be naturally skewed towards pussy because RVF is a game forum at it's roots.

If you want to get pussy, learn game and try to achieve cheap fame through Instagram or a dumb reality TV show. Don't major in STEM and take risks in science or tech with 90/hr weeks during your youth.

Post: #20

(10-16-2016 05:46 PM)James Bond Next level Wrote:  

(10-16-2016 02:19 PM)StephCurrybeast Wrote:  Think about it. If you look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, sex is one of the most basic needs. since the government gives away free food since it is a basic necessity, why not free sex? This would allow men to not have to resort to fucking fat pigs, which would cause a great deal of weight loss, but also allow men to walk away from girs with bad attitudes, forcing them to become more feminine.

Now, of course this won't happen because the government won't do this, they'll say immoral blah blah blah, even though the real reason is they are trying to oppress men, but if you think about it men being able to get sex on demand without putting in any effort would restore order.

For a new guy who hasn't even posted to the introduction thread, you seem to like controversy.
First of all, Maslow's pyramid :

As you can see, sex is NOT a basic need. Security and food for example are.

Now regarding your point, I don't agree that we should promote free sex. If sex become free for all, why would some men try to improve themselves? Let's be honest, we probably all did it firstly for girls. It would make even more men lazy to talk to "normal" girls and lose a step further our capacity to connect with the opposite sex. Look what porn already did...
In a way, our quest for sex brought the best out of us. If some are too lazy to work on themselves, they can still go to prostitutes, but I won't shed a tear for them. The world would likely be better if everyone could have sex, yes, but it will never happen IMO.
Moreover, nobody force you to have sex with fat pig. Stay strong.

(10-16-2016 03:16 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  In Western countries girls get pedestalized and their pussies overvalued. Legalized prostitution will help balance things because a guy will be able to go bang some chick who is most likely hotter than the girl he normally would bang and the cost to bang ratio would be maybe even lower than taking girls on dates.

If you took some girl on a date and say you spent $100 and had a 50% chance of banging her, maybe less..... or you could go pay some chick $100 and have a guaranteed bang.

The value of Western pussy will slide like Enron and balance will be restored.

Another benefit is radical Islamic terrorism will also be lowered because would be terrorists could finally get a taste of white women.

Let's be realistic : the sexual market will never be balanced. Women control the gateway to sex for biological/evolutional reasons. That's a fact, we need to accept this. But with work and tight game, you'll slowly have access to more, better quality and become in control (usually only after sex). Suddenly, you'll be getting more (provided you still put effort into it).

$100 for a date? No wonder you're frustrated. I put 30€ ($35) max : one drink for me, one for the girl. Use the line "What do you want? First round is on me" if you want the girl to pay for the 2nd round. And remember : if you pay for a prostitute, you're shooting yourself on the foot, cause you're saying to yourself "I worth nothing, so I have to pay a girl to want to spend time and have sex with me". Besides, don't expect any connection with the girl...


Overall, I got the impression that people on dry spell would make this kind of arguments. If that's the case, hold tight, be a man and persist and it will come. Everybody had it. You can do it!

I don't spend that much and I'm not a whore monger, but many rich and famous guys with or without game bang hookers here and there.

And do you really want to have a connection with every girl you bang? I'd honestly prefer it if most girls just fucked off right after.

Post: #21

Quote:And do you really want to have a connection with every girl you bang? I'd honestly prefer it if most girls just fucked off right after.

Honestly, things being how they are, one of the most important points in every man’s hookup protocol should be to cut any contact with banged broads ASAP.

Post: #22

The problem with saying that "you should have to work for sex, learn game, get muscles, work hard"

The pareto principle is in great effect in the sexual market. where 20% of men are getting 80% of chicks, but the problem is as more men learn game, it just hurts the guys who don't, do you think guys in the 50's had to learn game? no, they just had to be a good man. They didn't have to be a clown in order to entertain women, or become approach machines, or learn to build attraction even when the girl already had a natural attraction in the first place.

They say game helps guys, but the truth is, it helps more girls. Imagine if the hottest models were actively hunting cock and tryng to rack up notches, and were approach machines, us men would be lazier since we were being serviced and women who weren't getting any would be forced to make improvements to themselves. Obviously the reverse is true, where women are becoming less attractive and men are becoming more attractive, although that is a result of an extremely stronger sex drive that exists in men.

Now, the one thing that prostitution doesn't involve; emotional connection. Unfortunately in America more girls are unable to provide emotional happiness, but it wasn't always this way. And if prostitution was legalized, men could walk away from bitches or not go towards fat fucks, because a prostitute would provide more happiness with less effort. Girls would be forced to be nice in order to compete with prostitutes, why?

Getting with a cunt/slut/whore/bitch: dealing with bad attitude and casual sex
Getting with a prostitute: casual sex
Getting with a nice girl: emotional happiness and bonding sex

Do you see, why are girls able to get away with being bitches? because of DESPERATE men. by eliminating this, more men will now have their baseline need of sex fulfilled and force girls to act the way they want.

This principle is seen in girls today: they have unlimited tinder options, so the desperation for sex does not exist. The result? They force men to adopt a style that gives them emotional happiness (or should I say entertainment). For men, if thirst was quenched, it would force girls to be feminine.

So girls require guys to be entertainers while guys would require girls to be feminine if their thirst was easily quenched, so which gender would end up having to budge?

The answer: Girls. Why? because girls require attention and validation, men don't. If men were willing to walk away from bitchy attitudes and fatasses, girls would have to change in order to receive the attention from men they so desperately need.

Sex provides two basic components: the physical need and the connection with another person need. Men have more of a focus on the physical need while girls have more of a focus on the connection need. So legalizing prostitution and creating sexbots would eliminate the sexual power women have over men

Post: #23

To some extent, I agree with what you are saying. The only problem with this idea is that it will create a full blown culture of using prostitution and escorts as a crutch. It is not going to make things in the west any better, just worse.

Post: #24

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Post: #25

Well I'm talking about potential legalization not using prostitutes