Post: #1

Hey all,

Don't usually post in the game forum, but this new Ukranian girl has me a bit perplexed.

I work out in my condo gym as it has everything a guy needs to build a body. The other day I was working out with my headphones in and got opened by this petite little thing. I could tell she was foreign. I took out my ear buds and she asked me where the "Yoga" room was... Couple of flags or indicators here:

1) There were plenty of other people, girls and guys, in the gym she could've asked who were closer to her in proximity than myself.
2)There's only three parts to our workout facility and she was already in one... Process of elimination would render her question almost completely unnecessary. They are all connected...

I walk her to the yoga room (as I was going to do my cool down there anyway). We begin talking. I find out she's from Ukraine, just moved here with her boyfriend, of which they are living with his cousin in my condo complex. He is trying to make it as a pro poker player.... yes, seriously. She tells me she is looking for work as a bartender, model, promotions etc... something cash as she does not have her visa.

She begins asking me for exercises and starts doing them with me (like a defacto personal trainer)--- She then begins stretching in a very sexual manner (covertly to the untrained eye, but some of us here know what these women are doing).

In terms of modeling, I looked at her professional pics from Ukraine and she could probably hack together some jobs around here. I let her know that I know a few girls that do all of that stuff and could relay the numbers to her and make the introduction. No promises, though. She grabs my Facebook and adds me. I accept.

A few hours later she sent me a message thanking me for making her day and making her feel so much more motivated. I replied it was no problem and I'd meet with her Saturday (today) at the gym and after we would shoot off some emails to my connections (I'm not overplaying it or trying to be big baller, but to add some value and possibly get invited to more comp'd events like I have been doing). Plus, she's great gym eye candy for motivation for me as well.

In the gym today we worked out --- basically like personal training all over again... and the yoga cool down with the same yoga pants, sexual stretching positions, asking me to spot her on lifts that don't need a spotter etc.

After the gym we go our separate ways but she asks if she can come over to my building in a bit and we could help her send off her resume, post CL ads for being a personal trainer (she's in great shape), and for me to send off some texts to the girls I know in the industry (whom I'm close with).

I told her sure-- had to shower, wash my car, eat, etc. etc. and that she can text me later and come over. Been playing the whole thing pretty nonchalantly until I started putting pieces together. Creeped her FB and Insta and there are no pictures of her bf anywhere... clearly a winner that she's proud of.

Regardless--- does anyone have any experience here with Ukranian girls? Is she legitimately looking for a job? a friend? a F buddy? a new boyfriend who isn't chasing unicorns playing poker?

It's weird: she always compliments me and puts him down. She has pushed the whole interaction thus far (opening me, requesting that we train together, asking to come to my place to look for jobs online, etc.).

From what I've heard, EE girls are loyal; but I have no experience.

I don't consider myself a beginner at all... but this is uncharted territory.

Shit where I eat/live? Take signals that possibly aren't there? Piss off a bf?

How to proceed gents--- you're advice would be very much appreciated.

-CC

Post: #2

Sounds like you're good to go. Could turn ugly with the bf situation though despite the no Facebook photos. A possible 'don't shit where you eat' scenario.

Post: #3

When she comes to your place start getting more friendly and less business. Sounds like all lights are green.

Post: #4

EE girls are only as loyal as any other girls. She is looking for someone better than her boyfriend. He will do for now, but she's on the hunt. I've seen it with EE girls a million times. They act like they're in love up until they meet someone better.

It's great that she has an Insta. Offer to take pictures of her at your gym during slow hours. Turn into her guy taking all her insta photos. Spend more time together. DHV. Have her over to your apt regularly. Make it her second home. Close the deal.

Post: #5

^ Thanks for the insight on the EE mentality. Love your post except for the part about Instagram...

Right now, I'm the cool all american jock guy stereotype who owns his own business and travels the world...plus being in shape...etc etc. I don't want to suddenly turn into the creepy dude who take photos of her, which I'm sure her bf or some other sap are already doing.

I will slow roll it-- for now, it's good gym motivation. I have a gf so I'm not desperate by any stretch.

Here's my next question: do I tell her I have a gf? Or keep playing it cool?

Could be a deal maker or a deal breaker.

Post: #6

Always let her believe that she can get you. So keep playing it cool. You don't have to lie, but I wouldn't show her pictures of when I took my girlfriend to Hawaii. Just say, that's the girl I'm with right now.

I hear you about the insta. I've done it and it's an easy way to get them to strip for you. That's all.

Post: #7

Quote:Here's my next question: do I tell her I have a gf? Or keep playing it cool?

If you really like her, why should you keep playing cool in the first place? Bang her already!


Although, if I were you...I would make her into a good FWB...because of the visa (she can leave in a heartbeat, and you might never see her again), and keep your LTR up (if she is quality material that is).

Post: #8

OP,

Signs are good for you and jack-hammering this girl. Yes, there's always a possibility she's just looking for someone to do things for her (or get her a visa). But it appears unlikely in this situation or is at least outweighed by the sexual attraction component.

Bigger issue for you: your girlfriend. If this Ukrainian sticks around and you have fucked her, trouble could easily brew. When you're with your girl and run into another conquest, things can go awry and it doesn't need to be deliberate. Even body language or general conversation says a lot.

Example: I was living in Prague for three months this year with my 22-year-old girlfriend. Along comes an 18-year-old virgin and I fuck her on the sly. Then, two weeks later, after a series of encounters with the now ex-virgin, I run into her randomly, waiting for a tram, while walking on a crowded street with my girl.

The 18-year-old (a superb girl, by the way) did her best to hide her recognition of me, but it still showed - and I mean completely showed. Luckily my girl wasn't paying attention.

Fuck this Ukrainian girl by all means, but don't expect miracles or even mercy if you and your girlfriend run into her. Make sure you have your logistics (or acting) handled post-Kiev girl coitus.

Post: #9

Now it sounds more to me like you have to decide whether or not you want to fuck this girl in the first place. Get your desires straight before you ask advice.

If she is into you then she won't like you friend zoning yourself because you decided to take too long to make a move. Other than that if you just enjoy looking at her then keep doing what you're doing.

Post: #10

I feel like a dick because I've already given advice a couple other times today.... but seriously... I was cringing the whole time reading that story. She's showing massive interest in you and you're taking her facebook, offering to help out her bullshit modelling 'career', and giving her gym advice.

Do you even game bro? You're inflating her already sky high ego and putting yourself firmly in the friendzone. Do NOT take the advice of one other poster and become her own personal unpaid photographer...

"Playing it cool" is for losers. There is nothing cool about being afraid to make a move.

Post: #11

The reason behind any inaction in public is because I have a girlfriend... and I live here (in the same vacinity).

Posted above hit my situation on the head. It's not about the foreign girl... it's about me with my current one. Basically an issue of pulling the trigger or not.

My original post was very convoluted... but it really boils down to if it's worth it or not.

A few posters picked up on that. Thank you for clarifying guys.