Post: #1

I'm 23 y\o immigrant from Russia (since 13). I grew up poor and from young age was very passionate to change that. I quit school at 17 and started working 2 jobs instead. At 19 i saved up and started my own business. It's been rough for a long time. 2 years i lived on rice and water only, i was focused 100% on business, nothing else on my mind, I was (am) working 18-19 hours a day. Almost always forgetting to eat. Always have "shit" to deal with. I never been on a vacation or had time to watch TV, play video games, party or what other guys my age do. I didnt tried weed or been drunk in my life, I was just a work monster.
Today I'm 23 and that's my situation:

I'm set financially. I make at least 50k$ a month whether I worked or slept 24h a day. My business growing month by month. Bought house with no mortgage. That's the only "good" thing in my life.

No social life at all. I have 1 "friend" which is employee. I was only focusing on my business my whole adult life.

-Lack of "romantic" expirience. I had 1 gf for very short period of time long time ago. It doesnt help that I'm kinda shy. That's the thing bugging me the most.

Im asking you for advice... what would you do if you were me.
I do most of the work on the laptop now, i dont have to physically go there. Actually my business blew up after I "hacked" the "online game" which gives me huge advantage over my competitors in my area.
So I'm free in terms of location. I'm free financially. But..
Now i want to enjoy my life more. Less workoholic - more being normal human being.
Thing is I'm kinda stuck. Idk where to start. Should i fly aboard? Where the hell I'm suppost to find "social life" from zero?
What would u do if u were me? :\
Thanks

Post: #2

How about hiring a personal stylist, getting a great wardrobe then go to Russia and clean up with chicks with your Russian and wealth.

Nice jobs by the way on the 5 year mega grind.

What is that? Let's say 52 weeks, 5 years, average 90 hour weeks?

Ok all you guys are there that are fucking scrubs with zero bank accounts you have:

23,400 hours to put in!

By Gladwell's book you could be a professional guitarist and pro surfer both easily, while balancing being a minor league ping pong champion up and comer on the side.

Post: #3

Here's the top three things NOT to do:

1)Meth

2) Gambling to excess

3) Marriage

You're a young guy with no experience and a lot of cash. It can all be gone in a heart beat so you gotta be careful.

Read this forum very well. Understand the difference between using the money wisely to get laid as opposed to being a sucker. Buy the appetizers but don't pay their rent.

Make it a goal to stay unmarried for at least 25 more years.

And don't stop working, in fact don't slow down at all. 50k a month is cool, but its also the perfect amount to flip into a million a month and beyond.

Aloha!

Post: #4

(12-02-2016 04:20 PM)Travesty Wrote:  How about hiring a personal stylist, getting a great wardrobe then go to Russia and clean up with chicks with your Russian and wealth.

Nice jobs by the way on the 5 year mega grind.

What is that? Let's say 52 weeks, 5 years, average 90 hour weeks?

Ok all you guys are there that are fucking scrubs with zero bank accounts you have:

23,400 hours to put in!

By Gladwell's book you could be a professional guitarist and pro surfer both easily, while balancing being a minor league ping pong champion up and comer on the side.

Wont it be weird to go alone to Russia?
I actually have relatives there but they're not in Moscow or anywhere near big city, they all live far far far away in a small (2k people) village.

(12-02-2016 04:38 PM)Kona Wrote:  Here's the top three things NOT to do:

1)Meth

2) Gambling to excess

3) Marriage

You're a young guy with no experience and a lot of cash. It can all be gone in a heart beat so you gotta be careful.

Read this forum very well. Understand the difference between using the money wisely to get laid as opposed to being a sucker. Buy the appetizers but don't pay their rent.

Make it a goal to stay unmarried for at least 25 more years.

And don't stop working, in fact don't slow down at all. 50k a month is cool, but its also the perfect amount to flip into a million a month and beyond.

Aloha!

For me there's no big differences between 50k or 1m. I barely spend 1-2k\month.
My business growing month by month, and for me the priority my whole life has been money but i think its time to switch to other things.

This is where im not sure how to even start.
I have all of this options but dont really know what to do.

Post: #5

At this point, I would say find what interests you and live life. Re-evaluate what you can do with your money.
Travel, if you could, explore a bit. Most people want to achieve what you have already achieved at age 24.
You're ahead, but always stay ahead, go back to school if you can.
Having options are good, just try it out.

Post: #6

As a future entrepreneur I would like to read about the steps you took to develop your busineessbto 50K a month? That would be a great read!

Post: #7

(12-02-2016 06:59 PM)kitlolz123 Wrote:  At this point, I would say find what interests you and live life. Re-evaluate what you can do with your money.
Travel, if you could, explore a bit. Most people want to achieve what you have already achieved at age 24.
You're ahead, but always stay ahead, go back to school if you can.
Having options are good, just try it out.

I dont believe in school. You learn nothing practical there.

-Had no money to hire developer? I googled how to code.
-How to hire the correct people? You learn it with time. You learn from your mistakes. You learn to "read" people.
-Negotiate? you learn from expirience.
-Facebook ads etc? made tons fo mistake and learnt from them. My ROI today is about 3000% better than when I started.

It's 2016, you have all the info in the world. I just cant understand what school is good for.

(12-02-2016 08:14 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  As a future entrepreneur I would like to read about the steps you took to develop your busineessbto 50K a month? That would be a great read!

That''ll be too long and i had no steps. It was a big mess with very bad planning (made sooo many mistakes in the last few years)
I actually had many things I tried (in different fields - online or offline or mixed), most failed, some made ok money. and 1 skyrocketed pretty fast.

I know for sure for me it was either "Im gonna make it" or "I'm homeless". There was no version of me getting a job somewhere.
I think this is the 1# reason for my success eventually. 99.9% people wouldve quit many times if they were me. Ive been in a VERY rough spots at times. Eventually the dots connected.

My belief is most people read\study too much, think too much, complain too much. They prefer to complain or read some theory to avoid making mistakes (kinda like me having hard times approaching girls even tho i know its the right thing for me long term). How about just do it and figure out from there?
Nobody's practical anymore. Nobody's willing to work REALLY hard.

That was (is) my edge over the other 99% of people imo = work hard, practitioner (many think they working hard, but they dont - if you watching NFL\netflix\facebook\play xbox\sleep alot you cant be working hard. And almost ALL people are not practical and too afraid of making mistakes).



If only other things in life were so clear to me as business

Post: #8

I don't see why you can't apply exactly the same work ethic to building your social life.

You say romantic stuff is the one bugging you the most. So how many women did you talk to this week? You can apply exactly the same philosophy you've just talked about, such as taking risk and doing work instead of research, to this situation too.

If you apply your work ethic to your social life you will get payoff just the same. The skills and experience you build are different, but the building of them is the same.

I'd recommend you start by signing up to every group activity in your local area, to get the ball rolling. Classes are good. Dance classes, cooking classes, whatever.

Post: #9

First off congrats! Great advice you're giving also, I'm sure all of us would love to hear more of it.

As far as your social life goes: leverage your money as much as possible to get the social life you desire fast.

Master Game
I'd go travel city to city and meet as many RVF members as possible. Pay for drinks, club entry etc and you'll have no shortgage of cool guys who'd be happy to take you under their wing and show you the ropes.

I would recommend a dating coach as well but there's very few I think are actually worth it. Maybe the Natural Lifestyles guys, met two of them in person and they had a great vibe.

Develop the Lifestyle
Settle down somewhere, or do the nomadic thing or a mix of both. Integrate yourself into cool social circles, or travel with cool guys and girls.

Find sports and hobbies you want to get into. You'll find cool people that you'd want to be friends with easily enough.

Post: #10

OP, if you have all that free money and don't need to work any more, come visit me in Beijing. I'll teach you how to spend money, quickly maximize your resources to make new friends, get more women than you could possible have time for and most importantly, how to have fun.

Post: #11

you need to figure out ways on how to treat your autism, because unfortunately those strengths which helped you grind and make money at the expense of everything else are a double edged sword when it comes to social skills. It will be hard to make a connection with people since you will realize that you are 'different' from 99% of them (and you will probably feel like they are lazy, boring, unmotivated, dimwitted -- AND THEY ARE!), doubly so with no social skills. Expect to be taken advantage of if anyone realizes you're well off, because you will have to open up at some point, make sure you have a good 'background story'

You also need to realize that these huge online cash cows don't always last forever (they usually are SHORT lived), so you need to think of building up as much capital as possible and get some passive investments going (like broad market ETFs, as one example).
Build up ~500k+ and you'll be doing very well since you have a paid off mortgage. Realize that the money flood will stop eventually, and prepare for the depression which comes after, but at least you will be prepared!!! do not ask me how i know ;-|

good luck, will be a hard journey since you kind of doing everything backwards (from an "average person" perspective), DONT WASTE TIME ON BULLSHIT

Post: #12

I don't like these guys are talking about your life and platitudes blah blah blah.

You are fluent in Russian.

No it won't be weird that you go back to spend a few months. Tell people you want to experience your home culture now that you have the time. You can just tell them you own an online business which is true.

I mean you have 5 cards many guys here would die for (youth, wealth, location independence, fluent in a foreign language and know its culture), and knowing Russian of all languages is like a jackpot.

Go to Russia! Game there!

Post: #13

Starting a social life isn't as hard as you might imagine.

Go outside and spend some of your time helping your community. Volunteer at a homeless shelter or soup kitchen. Become a big brother and mentor a young boy without any real father figures.

Do you work out? Start a friendly conversation at the gym with another gym goer. If you go at the same time every week you will meet people. Just the other day, I went to a guy who gave me a 25% discount on new prescription glasses because I talk to him everyday at the gym!

Really, your next life goal is to learn how to talk to people and make friends. Be apart of the world around you. You do this by being friendly with people in your community.

Start there and let us know how this works out.

Post: #14

As someone who achieved it, here's what I can tell you.

Being young with lots of money but little life experience (like my situation) is a dangerous situation. In a heartbeat, everything can be gone. If you really have that amount of money, you should be very careful about who approaches you. Although you shouldn't rely on material possessions to replace game, I think that in your case, you can allow yourself to have more than the average. which means having a nice car, nice wardrobe, nice house. Paper assets are worth nothing. Millions in a Bitcoin wallet are worth nothing. Use that cash to leverage your lifestyle, but most importantly, do it for yourself. If you want a nice car, buy a car that you like, not a car that's popular with girls. If that's the same car, so be it.

But overall, girls will be attracted the vibe of a successful man, not by his car, house, and bank account. If you are successful like that, you could drive an old Civic to go meet chicks and they would still feel that you're successful. So here's the advice: hire a private stylist, a private trainer (if you aren't in shape). Go to place where people from your social class hang. For example, high end clubs (a.k.a. "gentleman club"), and other places depending on your area.

Do not make the mistake of befriending low hanging fruits because of your loneliness, they will drag you down.

If you are successful, rich, and location independent, something boggers my mind: What are you doing in the West of the world? Relocate to Russia, EE, SEA, or other places where your success will be well received, rather than hated upon. If you are SURE that your business will continue to grow without your physical presence, then it's time to shift your focus to enjoying the fruits of your labor. I'll be happy to meet you whenever you come to Thailand, shoot me a PM if you ever come by.

Post: #15

Having permanently beaten off hunger and want, I'd say your first priority is to get in touch with God/spirituality/philosophy. Religion is also a good way of meeting mostly-decent people.

I also think that you should lift weights; do a program like stronglifts 5x5. Learn to eat well.

Look after your spirit and your health first. Avoid mentioning your wealth (unless you want yourself surrounded by false friends). Observe people for a long time before trusting them.

Once your spirit is growing and your muscles are growing, then start branching out into relatively innocent social activities, like hiking clubs. Alternatively, travel. Your are lonesome, but you also have no ties, meaning you will not have much homesickness - this is an advantage for someone who wants to travel. Maybe go use the opportunity to go hang out with Suits in China.

Post: #16

So your making 50k a month and your at a point where you don't have to work as hard. What you need to do is delegate some of your responsibilities to either an employee or subcontractor. That way you can make your work as minimum as possible and be able to take on new business as well. By delegating things you can make more money and all you would need to do is manage it.

Your on a forum where there are a lot of socially advanced people. What you should do is take some time and just travel to different cities abroad and in the USA. By doing this you can find yourself and also learn from other people. I live in Atlanta Georgia and if you ever wanted to come out and hangout then your welcome too. You have people from all over RVF that would be available to meet up. Im sure anyone of us would love to help you build up your social skills.

What part of the world do you stay?

Post: #17

If you don't know where to start, start with the search function. There's so many threads from guys asking for specific advice for their case, but their case is similar to 10 others.

Secondly, it's ironic that you should be asking for this kind of advice when you post something like this:

Quote:My belief is most people read\study too much, think too much, complain too much. They prefer to complain or read some theory to avoid making mistakes (kinda like me having hard times approaching girls even tho i know its the right thing for me long term). How about just do it and figure out from there?

Discovering who you are and what you like also works like the above. You put yourself in situations that are new and see what happens. If you enjoy yourself, if you make friends, etc. It's trial and error.

I never though I'd enjoy dancing forró (a Brazilian ballroom dance similar to salsa) - yet after taking a few lessons it's one of my top hobbies. Same with jiu jitsu.

At this point I honestly can't fathom having 50k/month. I make way, way less and it's more than enough for a very comfortable life with plenty of quality socializing, banging hot girls, meeting friends, good gym and good food, etc.

What I can tell from the way you write and describe yourself though, is that going to clubs, spending money and living a lavish life is unlikely to bring you happiness. Maybe the illusion of happiness, but trust me that goes away fast and leaves a sour aftertaste.

Like other posters above said, learn to filter people and invest in experiences rather than material possessions.

In your place, I would:
- Study men's style/fashion and/or hire a stylist to develop a minimalistic, classic, masculine wardrobe. This may seem contradictory to what I stated above, but when you look good the way you experience the world (via how you feel and how people treat you) changes, so I consider style to be more experience than material-related.

Visit blogs, Tumblrs, Instagrams and make a folder with pics you like. Wait until you know what you like and what suits you before you go crazy with the budget. - buy at places like J. Crew, Banana Republic. Try everything on at home again, put different things together, keep what you like. (I often take my pants, shirts, jackets to a tailor and get them perfectly tailored.) A nice, low-key, perfectly tailored wardrobe is a GREAT investment.

- Taking Travesty's advice one step further, I'd do the Transsiberian Railway. You will get to know Russia from side to side and can stop along the way wherever you like. When it gets boring, hop on the train again.

- Try different hobbies and see what you can leverage into fun and socializing. If I did (when I do, really) the Transsiberian, I'd take my camera and take a lot of photographs. Maybe ask pretty girls to take their portrait, show it to them, spark a conversation. I'd also try to train grappling whenever I stopped at some cool city. Building a social circle around a hobby is great because it's easily expandable. People want to share their knowledge with you and learn from you, and are usually eager to set you up with more people if you go to a different place where they know someone.

Try to imagine yourself doing different things - surfing, playing pool, photographing, dancing, skydiving. Do any of those things feel both scary and exciting? That's the ones I'd start with.

Overall the main thing is you need to EXPOSE yourself to social "risks". Be willing to look dumb, even if just for you - 99% of time it's in your head. That's how you experience life and meet people.

Post: #18

Been there done that.

(1) Get a personal trainer and diet catering delivered to your doors.
(2) Get a stylist and spend some money on good clothes, get used to them so you are comfortable.
(3) Join some groups of your interest, for example take part in a local tennis tournament, join kickboxing gym. Join divers group and go together for some diving expeditions, same with kitesurfing etc. Get private pilot's license.
(4) You have to work somewhere why not in Starbucks?
(5) Write letters to older, successful people who have figured it out. You will make very valuable friends. Tell them that you are young, inexperienced, but successful guy willing to learn. For example I set up a dinner with a billionaire from my country this way. Numbers game.
(6) You can try to employ game / pua coach just for the sake of going out together and seeing how others do it.
(7) Same with members of this forum. You can offer business advice they can show you that making out with a cute girl within 1 minute of seeing her is not unreal. You will get a lot of reference points this way.
(8) Find the most popular club or bar in your city that is being managed by a young extrovert guy who knows how to party and his business in and out. Invest in his new venture as a silent partner.

Endless possibilities.

By the way, some of the wisest guys in my industry (hedge funds) say that we are heading for a bigger bear market than 2008, starting some time in 2017. Don't take your money for granted.

Post: #19

Congrats and well done. You are a pin up boy for this forum, the envy of so many.

You are young, well off and wise enough to have found this forum.

Suits has made you a GOLDEN offer to be coached, mentored and educated in life.

Grab that with both hands, go and see him with an open mind and learn what he has to teach.

You have nothing to loose and everything to gain.

Post: #20

(12-03-2016 02:22 AM)Suits Wrote:  OP, if you have all that free money and don't need to work any more, come visit me in Beijing. I'll teach you how to spend money, quickly maximize your resources to make new friends, get more women than you could possible have time for and most importantly, how to have fun.

definitely will visit China one day.

(12-03-2016 02:23 AM)kurtybro Wrote:  you need to figure out ways on how to treat your autism, because unfortunately those strengths which helped you grind and make money at the expense of everything else are a double edged sword when it comes to social skills.

Autism? I'm defenitely not as "hard case" as you imagine. I'm pretty sure most girls like me. Its more of me not being in the situations where i meet new people.

(12-03-2016 02:36 AM)Travesty Wrote:  Go to Russia! Game there!

On my bucket list. Definitely will go there after I'm more expirienced.

(12-03-2016 06:00 AM)Rawmeo Wrote:  I'll be happy to meet you whenever you come to Thailand, shoot me a PM if you ever come by.

Thailand is the place to be for people like me, huh?
I see a lot of entrepreneurs go there.

(12-03-2016 02:48 PM)Ringo Wrote:  If you don't know where to start, start with the search function. There's so many threads from guys asking for specific advice for their case, but their case is similar to 10 others.

Secondly, it's ironic that you should be asking for this kind of advice when you post something like this:

Quote:My belief is most people read\study too much, think too much, complain too much. They prefer to complain or read some theory to avoid making mistakes (kinda like me having hard times approaching girls even tho i know its the right thing for me long term). How about just do it and figure out from there?

Discovering who you are and what you like also works like the above. You put yourself in situations that are new and see what happens. If you enjoy yourself, if you make friends, etc. It's trial and error.

I never though I'd enjoy dancing forró (a Brazilian ballroom dance similar to salsa) - yet after taking a few lessons it's one of my top hobbies. Same with jiu jitsu.

At this point I honestly can't fathom having 50k/month. I make way, way less and it's more than enough for a very comfortable life with plenty of quality socializing, banging hot girls, meeting friends, good gym and good food, etc.

What I can tell from the way you write and describe yourself though, is that going to clubs, spending money and living a lavish life is unlikely to bring you happiness. Maybe the illusion of happiness, but trust me that goes away fast and leaves a sour aftertaste.

Like other posters above said, learn to filter people and invest in experiences rather than material possessions.

In your place, I would:
- Study men's style/fashion and/or hire a stylist to develop a minimalistic, classic, masculine wardrobe. This may seem contradictory to what I stated above, but when you look good the way you experience the world (via how you feel and how people treat you) changes, so I consider style to be more experience than material-related.

Visit blogs, Tumblrs, Instagrams and make a folder with pics you like. Wait until you know what you like and what suits you before you go crazy with the budget. - buy at places like J. Crew, Banana Republic. Try everything on at home again, put different things together, keep what you like. (I often take my pants, shirts, jackets to a tailor and get them perfectly tailored.) A nice, low-key, perfectly tailored wardrobe is a GREAT investment.

- Taking Travesty's advice one step further, I'd do the Transsiberian Railway. You will get to know Russia from side to side and can stop along the way wherever you like. When it gets boring, hop on the train again.

- Try different hobbies and see what you can leverage into fun and socializing. If I did (when I do, really) the Transsiberian, I'd take my camera and take a lot of photographs. Maybe ask pretty girls to take their portrait, show it to them, spark a conversation. I'd also try to train grappling whenever I stopped at some cool city. Building a social circle around a hobby is great because it's easily expandable. People want to share their knowledge with you and learn from you, and are usually eager to set you up with more people if you go to a different place where they know someone.

Try to imagine yourself doing different things - surfing, playing pool, photographing, dancing, skydiving. Do any of those things feel both scary and exciting? That's the ones I'd start with.

Overall the main thing is you need to EXPOSE yourself to social "risks". Be willing to look dumb, even if just for you - 99% of time it's in your head. That's how you experience life and meet people.

Thanks man. Some useful info.

(12-03-2016 03:34 PM)rafal Wrote:  Been there done that.

(1) Get a personal trainer and diet catering delivered to your doors.
(2) Get a stylist and spend some money on good clothes, get used to them so you are comfortable.
(3) Join some groups of your interest, for example take part in a local tennis tournament, join kickboxing gym. Join divers group and go together for some diving expeditions, same with kitesurfing etc. Get private pilot's license.
(4) You have to work somewhere why not in Starbucks?
(5) Write letters to older, successful people who have figured it out. You will make very valuable friends. Tell them that you are young, inexperienced, but successful guy willing to learn. For example I set up a dinner with a billionaire from my country this way. Numbers game.
(6) You can try to employ game / pua coach just for the sake of going out together and seeing how others do it.
(7) Same with members of this forum. You can offer business advice they can show you that making out with a cute girl within 1 minute of seeing her is not unreal. You will get a lot of reference points this way.
(8) Find the most popular club or bar in your city that is being managed by a young extrovert guy who knows how to party and his business in and out. Invest in his new venture as a silent partner.

Endless possibilities.

By the way, some of the wisest guys in my industry (hedge funds) say that we are heading for a bigger bear market than 2008, starting some time in 2017. Don't take your money for granted.

1. For sure.
2. By stylist you mean a girl?
5. I actually in contact with few millionares. Never contacted anyone myself. got offers to buy % from me. I honestly dont see huge value in hanging with "rich people" (for me).
6. I dont mind.
8. That's a tough one.



BTW: Many PM'd me with wht I do. Complicated but I'm in the adtech world.
BTW2: I know (more than you might think) online businesses are not stable. That's 101% not the case here. Especially that in my case the main rev source is from "internet assets", I am not depended on whether people buy my shit online nor am I doing arbitrage of some sort.
If the economy collpase tomorrow I'll actually be happy. Huge opportunity long term.


Thanks for the tips guys.
I actually think I'll handle some "business shit" this month and than start with trip to Thailand. Go there, try to have fun, learn in the process.

Post: #21

Come to China. I'd house you for free

Don't bother with ladyboy and ugly scrub jungle Asian chicks in an increasingly hostile and nationalist country that's currently trying to deter all foreigners from coming there. Probably loads of business opportunities for you here too.

Post: #22

(12-02-2016 06:36 PM)ceowannabe Wrote:  For me there's no big differences between 50k or 1m.

Get to the 1m mark and tell me if you feel the same way. The bank teller girls will blow you, you won't have to worry about anything.

Aloha!

Post: #23

(12-02-2016 04:07 PM)ceowannabe Wrote:  I'm set financially. I make at least 50k$ a month whether I worked or slept 24h a day.

you are making 50,000 $ monthly passive income and you ask us for advice ? Just surf an escort site and pick what you want.
oh, and feel free to tip me 1k for this great piece of advice

Post: #24

(12-02-2016 04:38 PM)Kona Wrote:  Here's the top three things NOT to do:
1)Meth

I don't think you can work 18 hours a day 365 days a year without taking it.
I don't think you can make 50,000 $ monthly without dealing it either
but let's hear what our troll...erhm... I meant our OP has to say about it

Post: #25

(12-03-2016 11:40 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 06:36 PM)ceowannabe Wrote:  For me there's no big differences between 50k or 1m.

Get to the 1m mark and tell me if you feel the same way. The bank teller girls will blow you, you won't have to worry about anything.

Aloha!

I have 2 million lei deposited in Moldovan banks , yet no Chisinau bank teller blew me. Actually , no Chisinau girl of any kind blew me
Had to fly back to my slave skanks in Pattaya.