Post: #1

This is going to be a very long story so I'll try to make it as short as possible

I was 250 Lbs back in high school and it absolutely annihilated my confidence with women (I was also a huge loser). I didn't lose my V card until the age of 22...didn't even kiss a girl until 22. The damage being a fat loser to my confidence was so bad that even losing all the weight and being pretty good looking after high school couldn't solve my problems. My confidence has improved a ton since those days but it's good to know the start of the problems

As things stand now, I'm 5'10 185...very athletic build (probably 12-13% body fat). I'm a good looking guy in the face, dress very nice, etc... At work I started making six figures at the age of 24, made over 150K last year, have my own house, etc... My lifestyle is totally awesome - my best friend is rich as hell and i obviously do well so we go to all sorts of fun parties, clubs, bars, restaurants, concerts, sports events, etc... I vacation 4 times a year. The rest of my life is pretty much perfect outside of dating. I'm very grateful to be in position I'm in. I'm a good guy outside of the superficial stuff - I treat people well without being a bitch, I can hold a decent conversation, I'm easy to get along with. I have nothing to feel reserved about.

On the dating side, I've slept with about 8-10 women - all way way below my league. The only 2 attractive ones in that group were over the age of 40. None of them were dateable. It's just absolutely terrible. I've never been with an attractive woman my age range. At this point, the vast majority of women are very nice to me but my approach anxiety is intense. I'm equally scared of success as I am of failure. I've suffered tremendously in the past due to being perma-single and it's almost like a torture victim so used to being miserable that they're afraid to leave their kidnapper.

What would you guys recommend for someone like me? I want to meet someone very badly. How can I overcome my fear of success and rejection? Is online dating a good option for me knowing that I look pretty good and my success level?

It's worth noting when I actually get dates, I'm very very good. I've been out on dates with 11 women in my life and 8 of them were VERY heavily into me. Of the 3 that were not, if I got another chance with them now, I would probably close the deal with all of them. I screwed it up by being young and dumb. For the most part, when I get an opportunity I don't mess it up but I rarely get the opportunity because of my anxiety in escalating with women and the naturally passive nature of women. I've had very good looking gay men ask me out so I know i'm not a bad catch. When I'm on a date, I sell myself pretty well (I drive a very beautiful car, dress nice, can make women feel comfortable, my back story is interesting, etc...). I just need a way to get some dates!

Post: #2

(01-17-2017 08:35 PM)brahmabull Wrote:  This is going to be a very long story so I'll try to make it as short as possible

I was 250 Lbs back in high school and it absolutely annihilated my confidence with women (I was also a huge loser). I didn't lose my V card until the age of 22...didn't even kiss a girl until 22. The damage being a fat loser to my confidence was so bad that even losing all the weight and being pretty good looking after high school couldn't solve my problems. My confidence has improved a ton since those days but it's good to know the start of the problems

As things stand now, I'm 5'10 185...very athletic build (probably 12-13% body fat). I'm a good looking guy in the face, dress very nice, etc... At work I started making six figures at the age of 24, made over 150K last year, have my own house, etc... My lifestyle is totally awesome - my best friend is rich as hell and i obviously do well so we go to all sorts of fun parties, clubs, bars, restaurants, concerts, sports events, etc... I vacation 4 times a year. The rest of my life is pretty much perfect outside of dating. I'm very grateful to be in position I'm in. I'm a good guy outside of the superficial stuff - I treat people well without being a bitch, I can hold a decent conversation, I'm easy to get along with. I have nothing to feel reserved about.

On the dating side, I've slept with about 8-10 women - all way way below my league. The only 2 attractive ones in that group were over the age of 40. None of them were dateable. It's just absolutely terrible. I've never been with an attractive woman my age range. At this point, the vast majority of women are very nice to me but my approach anxiety is intense. I'm equally scared of success as I am of failure. I've suffered tremendously in the past due to being perma-single and it's almost like a torture victim so used to being miserable that they're afraid to leave their kidnapper.

What would you guys recommend for someone like me? I want to meet someone very badly. How can I overcome my fear of success and rejection? Is online dating a good option for me knowing that I look pretty good and my success level?

It's worth noting when I actually get dates, I'm very very good. I've been out on dates with 11 women in my life and 8 of them were VERY heavily into me. Of the 3 that were not, if I got another chance with them now, I would probably close the deal with all of them. I screwed it up by being young and dumb. For the most part, when I get an opportunity I don't mess it up but I rarely get the opportunity because of my anxiety in escalating with women and the naturally passive nature of women. I've had very good looking gay men ask me out so I know i'm not a bad catch. When I'm on a date, I sell myself pretty well (I drive a very beautiful car, dress nice, can make women feel comfortable, my back story is interesting, etc...). I just need a way to get some dates!

The only way to get over approach anxiety is to approach. The more you do it the easier it gets. From what you say you just have to hit the pavement and talk to girls.

Online dating will not help your approach anxiety that much, or who knows, it might. Again, just get out there and approach, it WILL get easier.

Post: #3

(01-17-2017 09:37 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  The only way to get over approach anxiety is to approach. The more you do it the easier it gets. From what you say you just have to hit the pavement and talk to girls.

Online dating will not help your approach anxiety that much, or who knows, it might. Again, just get out there and approach, it WILL get easier.

the problem for me with approaching is just the fear of the unknown - I have no idea if that girl is single or not, if she is a lesbian or not, if she is even interested in dating at the moment. I hate making someone feel awkward or uncomfortable by hitting on them.

I went to whole foods yesterday and I could swear 4 or 5 of the girls who were working there were all looking at me at the same time. I'm not trying to sound conceited but I know i'm not a bad looking guy. I have 4 or 5 girls at my job who would love to date me but none of them are cute. I just gotta figure out some way to put myself out there

there is no approach anxiety with online. You can message 8,000 women in 1 day...the problem is that the success difficulty curve is absolutely brutal no matter what you do.

From what I can see (dunno for sure)

Real dating = terrible difficulty curve with the process of approaching women but success rate is decent if you do a good job
Online dating= easy difficulty curve for the process of approaching but success rate is horrible no matter what.

From what I've been told, you have to be a 8-10/10 male with dating sites to get anything somewhat decent. Even 6 females online want 8-10 males. I am a good looking guy but I don't know if I'm in that 8-10 range. Maybe somebody can elaborate on this?

Post: #4

(01-17-2017 09:44 PM)brahmabull Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 09:37 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  The only way to get over approach anxiety is to approach. The more you do it the easier it gets. From what you say you just have to hit the pavement and talk to girls.

Online dating will not help your approach anxiety that much, or who knows, it might. Again, just get out there and approach, it WILL get easier.

the problem for me with approaching is just the fear of the unknown - I have no idea if that girl is single or not, if she is a lesbian or not, if she is even interested in dating at the moment. I hate making someone feel awkward or uncomfortable by hitting on them.

I went to whole foods yesterday and I could swear 4 or 5 of the girls who were working there were all looking at me at the same time. I'm not trying to sound conceited but I know i'm not a bad looking guy. I have 4 or 5 girls at my job who would love to date me but none of them are cute. I just gotta figure out some way to put myself out there

there is no approach anxiety with online. You can message 8,000 women in 1 day...the problem is that the success difficulty curve is absolutely brutal no matter what you do.

From what I can see (dunno for sure)

Real dating = terrible difficulty curve with the process of approaching women but success rate is decent if you do a good job
Online dating= easy difficulty curve for the process of approaching but success rate is horrible no matter what.

From what I've been told, you have to be a 8-10/10 male with dating sites to get anything somewhat decent. Even 6 females online want 8-10 males. I am a good looking guy but I don't know if I'm in that 8-10 range. Maybe somebody can elaborate on this?

Walking up to a girl and saying "I just noticed you and think you're really attractive" will not make anyone uncomfortable. You might get some bad reactions as that is the nature of approaching women, but I'd say 90% of the time they will at least be polite. Why are you so concerned with them having a bf or being a lesbian?

Just stop making excuses and set yourself a goal of approaching at least one girl a day. After that becomes easy focus on learning how to carry the conversation better. If you are a decent looking guy and have something going for you as you say you do, I'm willing to bet you have a decent chance that after a month one of those thirty girls will bite.

Just stop talking and thinking about it and go do it.

Post: #5

(01-17-2017 09:52 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  Walking up to a girl and saying "I just noticed you and think you're really attractive" will not make anyone uncomfortable.

that sounds horrible

the only way I can imagine myself approaching a woman is very indirect conversation (IE how's your day going). I'm not willing to put myself out there like that unless she is clearly very much into me (IE we talk and have very good chemistry) and she is single

Quote:Just stop making excuses and set yourself a goal of approaching at least one girl a day. .

Just stop talking and thinking about it and go do it.

that sounds absolutely horrible too. I cannot approach a woman without some easy/natural reason for it - IE she is a regular at a bar I go to all the time.

I don't think you understand how intense my fear/anxiety of both success and rejection are

Oh and if only 1 in 30 women responded well to me, I think I would kill myself lmao. From the last 4 women I've asked out, probably 2 or 3 have said yes. I just rarely ask anybody out because I don't see easy opportunities.

Post: #6

(01-17-2017 10:00 PM)brahmabull Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 09:52 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  Walking up to a girl and saying "I just noticed you and think you're really attractive" will not make anyone uncomfortable.

that sounds horrible

the only way I can imagine myself approaching a woman is very indirect conversation (IE how's your day going). I'm not willing to put myself out there like that unless she is clearly very much into me (IE we talk and have very good chemistry) and she is single

Quote:Just stop making excuses and set yourself a goal of approaching at least one girl a day. .

Just stop talking and thinking about it and go do it.

that sounds absolutely horrible too. I cannot approach a woman without some easy/natural reason for it - IE she is a regular at a bar I go to all the time.

I don't think you understand how intense my fear/anxiety of both success and rejection are

Oh and if only 1 in 30 women responded well to me, I think I would kill myself lmao. From the last 4 women I've asked out, probably 2 or 3 have said yes. I just rarely ask anybody out because I don't see easy opportunities.

Then give up, sit at home, don't do shit, jerk off, watch porn, get fat, deteriorate, lose your social skills, and never say a word to a woman again.

One of the heaviest hitters here had a 5% conversion to bang approach, don't sit here and complain about 1 in 30 women responding to you well.

SHIT OR GET OFF THE POT.

Fight your fear or let it consume you.

Post: #7

(01-17-2017 10:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Then give up, sit at home, don't do shit, jerk off, watch porn, get fat, deteriorate, lose your social skills, and never say a word to a woman again.

Just FYI, I work 50-55 hours a week, go to the gym/do cardio 10 hours a week (I will be 8-9% body fat and pretty much look like a fitness model in about a month), have plenty of friends, make friends everywhere I go, live just an awesome lifestyle. I sleep like 5 hours a day because I'm always doing shit haha

I don't understand why dating is so hard for me when every other part of life comes so easily to me. I suppose it's the trauma in my past not being completely washed away

Quote:One of the heaviest hitters here had a 5% conversion to bang approach, don't sit here and complain about 1 in 30 women responding to you well.

I severely over-analyze things

If I see a hot girl and i want to say something to her, I automatically think of all the reasons she would say no/it could go nowhere. If I think of something to say, I automatically revert back to thinking it would be stupid/awkward. I have intense anxiety. I think I'm going to look really stupid and she will blow me off super hard

Obstacles in the way (headphones at the gym, her being there with 5 friends, etc...) are a huge no no also.. I pretty much need things to be perfect to make an approach.

Another thing you guys need to know about me is that I used to massively "put the pussy on pedestal". I felt that I needed to be absolutely perfect because women are completely impossible and have impossible standards. I felt that women hated being approached and I'm really annoying them by talking to them. This is part of what has driven me so hard for success - I've obsessively driven myself to try to be perfect in every area in hopes that I would feel good enough to get a girlfriend.

Post: #8

(01-17-2017 10:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 10:00 PM)brahmabull Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 09:52 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  Walking up to a girl and saying "I just noticed you and think you're really attractive" will not make anyone uncomfortable.

that sounds horrible

the only way I can imagine myself approaching a woman is very indirect conversation (IE how's your day going). I'm not willing to put myself out there like that unless she is clearly very much into me (IE we talk and have very good chemistry) and she is single

Quote:Just stop making excuses and set yourself a goal of approaching at least one girl a day. .

Just stop talking and thinking about it and go do it.

that sounds absolutely horrible too. I cannot approach a woman without some easy/natural reason for it - IE she is a regular at a bar I go to all the time.

I don't think you understand how intense my fear/anxiety of both success and rejection are

Oh and if only 1 in 30 women responded well to me, I think I would kill myself lmao. From the last 4 women I've asked out, probably 2 or 3 have said yes. I just rarely ask anybody out because I don't see easy opportunities.

Then give up, sit at home, don't do shit, jerk off, watch porn, get fat, deteriorate, lose your social skills, and never say a word to a woman again.

One of the heaviest hitters here had a 5% conversion to bang approach, don't sit here and complain about 1 in 30 women responding to you well.

SHIT OR GET OFF THE POT.

Fight your fear or let it consume you.

I second what kaotic said.

If you want to go very indirect, that is up to you. I can't say that it is better or worse, but you need to understand something first. If you are a random guy who is randomly approaching a girl, she will know that the hidden context of the interaction is you hitting on her no matter how indirect you go. I'm not advocating you go direct or indirect, but rather that you grow some balls and actually approach.

About the second part, I understand how approach anxiety and fear of rejection can be hard. I not only had trouble talking to girls years ago, but I was terrified of a lot of social interactions in general. You know what the solution was? I forced myself to go out and approach women. The first week or so I went out and couldn't bring myself to actually approach. Then one day I was like fuck it, I'm not going to go another day without approaching. If you can't do that, follow Kaotic's advice.

About the final part, if you keep looking for the so called "easy" interactions you will continue to get laid at a rate of less than once a year on average. If you want what you already have, keep doing what you've been doing. If not, then take my advice and approach. When I say you can get 1 in 30 that isn't an exact number, it could be more or it could be less, but it is nothing to take lightly. You have to understand that approaching a girl that doesn't know you and isn't connected to you in any way and going from introducing yourself to having sex with her and potentially a relationship is not something that is easy. 1 in 30 is a very respectable average to have, and I would say it is along the higher end of guys that consider themselves players. The only thing is those guys don't approach one a day, they do things like go out on the weekend and approach 20+ women.

Post: #9

(01-17-2017 10:14 PM)brahmabull Wrote:  Just FYI, I work 50-55 hours a week, go to the gym/do cardio 10 hours a week (I will be 8-9% body fat and pretty much look like a fitness model in about a month), have plenty of friends, make friends everywhere I go, live just an awesome lifestyle. I sleep like 5 hours a day because I'm always doing shit haha

Anyone can be anything on the internet, what I see you doing is complaining about advice being given, automatically using a self defeating attitude.

Quote:I don't understand why dating is so hard for me when every other part of life comes so easily to me. I suppose it's the trauma in my past not being completely washed away

Then start explaining what you think might of cause this trauma so we can better understand your situation.

Quote:If I see a hot girl and i want to say something to her, I automatically think of all the reasons she would say no/it could go nowhere. If I think of something to say, I automatically revert back to thinking it would be stupid/awkward. I have intense anxiety. I think I'm going to look really stupid and she will blow me off super hard

Obstacles in the way (headphones at the gym, her being there with 5 friends, etc...) are a huge no no also.. I pretty much need things to be perfect to make an approach.

Another thing you guys need to know about me is that I used to massively "put the pussy on pedestal". I felt that I needed to be absolutely perfect because women are completely impossible and have impossible standards. I felt that women hated being approached and I'm really annoying them by talking to them. This is part of what has driven me so hard for success - I've obsessively driven myself to try to be perfect in every area in hopes that I would feel good enough to get a girlfriend.

You have really bad approach anxiety.

You're hamstering the reasons not to approach her and making all the excuses in the world not to talk to women.

There is no such thing as a perfect approach, you have to adapt.

Fuck what they think, you're prize and they should be honored to have you and talk to you.

If they blow you off ? Fuck them, you won't see them again, so who cares. Learn from it.

Forget about the quest for a girlfriend - focus on approaching women, getting dates, gaming them and bedding them.

Then you can start figuring out what you want in a girl.

Post: #10

(01-17-2017 10:21 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Anyone can be anything on the internet, what I see you doing is complaining about advice being given, automatically using a self defeating attitude.

the advice is just a lot more extreme than what I can imagine myself going through

Quote:Then start explaining what you think might of cause this trauma so we can better understand your situation.

Being fat as a kid annihilated my confidence

I started convincing myself I wasn't good enough, that women are impossible, that dating is impossible, that I had to turn myself into a super god to actually get a date

It's not all bad - it drove me obsessively hard in my quest for self improvement. I am not happy with myself unless I feel that i'm 100% maximizing every part of my life but I've struggled to recover from that 100% pretty much my whole life

Right now though is the best version of myself I've ever been. The superficial things are obviously very very strong but my self confidence is the best it's ever been. I was seeing a really hot 40+ year old MILF last year for 8 months who helped tremendously to repair my confidence. She was absolutely astonished that I'm perma-single - she would constantly rave about what a great guy I was and how awesome I was in bed, etc... She helped my mind overcome so much

I still struggle very very badly to approach random women but there was a time in my life where I would feel really uncomfortable if a random woman approached me or if I was around attractive women in a natural situation. That is no longer the case.

Quote:Fuck what they think, you're prize and they should be honored to have you and talk to you.

If they blow you off ? Fuck them, you won't see them again, so who cares. Learn from it.

Forget about the quest for a girlfriend - focus on approaching women, getting dates, gaming them and bedding them.

Then you can start figuring out what you want in a girl.

Actually I know exactly what I want - I figured a lot of that out from seeing that older woman


I want somebody between ages of 22-30
- cute
- fitness oriented
- very sweet demeanor
- very loyal
- as intelligent as possible
- easy to get along with/laid back
- at least somewhat decent with finances. I'm totally awesome with finances and I don't want to date a 500 credit score or compulsive spender. I'm set up right now to retire by 55 - I don't need somebody to fukk that up

Post: #11

Sleep more, work less and stress less. The money, cars, houses etc wont go with you to the grave, they will all stay here. But what you will remind on the deathbed is the memories of the girls you banged and what you truly lived.

Post: #12

(01-17-2017 10:20 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  About the final part, if you keep looking for the so called "easy" interactions you will continue to get laid at a rate of less than once a year on average. If you want what you already have, keep doing what you've been doing. If not, then take my advice and approach. When I say you can get 1 in 30 that isn't an exact number, it could be more or it could be less, but it is nothing to take lightly. You have to understand that approaching a girl that doesn't know you and isn't connected to you in any way and going from introducing yourself to having sex with her and potentially a relationship is not something that is easy. 1 in 30 is a very respectable average to have, and I would say it is along the higher end of guys that consider themselves players. The only thing is those guys don't approach one a day, they do things like go out on the weekend and approach 20+ women.

just FYI, that 1 in 30, are you talking about turning a conversation into a date?

Because if I get 1 date, I'm pretty confident that my success rate from there on will be 85+%. All I need is a few women who are attracted to me and interested in meeting somebody. I'm very good at selling myself on a date.

I just very rarely get dates. I always see a million obstacles in the way and assume women don't ever want to be hit on.

Post: #13

(01-17-2017 10:31 PM)Rocha Wrote:  Sleep more, work less and stress less. The money, cars, houses etc wont go with you to the grave, they will all stay here. But what you will remind on the deathbed is the memories of the girls you banged and what you truly lived.

Actually I love my lifestyle, I'm not stressed at all. I love money... I always want more, more and more. Money and fitness are like my two biggest enjoyments (along with friends/family and my hobbies)

Outside of dating, my life is literally perfect. I have nothing to complain about and soooooo much to be super grateful for.

I just want to finally fix my dating problems. I've suffered SOOO much from being perma-single. I love dating, I love women, I love sex. My time seeing that MILF last year was so much fun. I can't imagine how amazing it is to date a hot girl my age that I'm in love with.

Post: #14

Have you tried approaching women at night? There are more of them, they stick around longer, and they're more likely to be available.

I went years without approaching at all because I thought it would be too hard, but a couple of weeks ago, I started going out every night, and I'm already getting results. Although I don't have good results every night, I can see a general trend of things getting easier for me.

Check out my thread to see my progress: /thread-60355.html

This isn't something you can think yourself out of. You just have to go do it.

Post: #15

(01-17-2017 10:52 PM)Corollary Wrote:  Have you tried approaching women at night? There are more of them, they stick around longer, and they're more likely to be available.

I went years without approaching at all because I thought it would be too hard, but a couple of weeks ago, I started going out every night, and I'm already getting results. Although I don't have good results every night, I can see a general trend of things getting easier for me.

Check out my thread to see my progress: /thread-60355.html

This isn't something you can think yourself out of. You just have to go do it.

I go out to bars and clubs a lot/go to sports events/concerts/etc...

I think approaching them at night is even harder because they all tend to come out in groups of 3-10 people. I have no idea who is with who and who is single. Friends are usually huge cockblockers

I did approach that 40+ MILF last year and we got along great but she was separated from her group.

I should mention that I'm totally looking for a GF. I don't care at all about quantity, I'm all about quality. I don't care how long it takes for us to have sex. I care about how attractive she is and her character/personality

Post: #16

(01-17-2017 10:55 PM)brahmabull Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 10:52 PM)Corollary Wrote:  Have you tried approaching women at night? There are more of them, they stick around longer, and they're more likely to be available.

I went years without approaching at all because I thought it would be too hard, but a couple of weeks ago, I started going out every night, and I'm already getting results. Although I don't have good results every night, I can see a general trend of things getting easier for me.

Check out my thread to see my progress: /thread-60355.html

This isn't something you can think yourself out of. You just have to go do it.

I go out to bars and clubs a lot/go to sports events/concerts/etc...

I think approaching them at night is even harder because they all tend to come out in groups of 3-10 people. I have no idea who is with who and who is single. Friends are usually huge cockblockers

I did approach that 40+ MILF last year and we got along great but she was separated from her group.

I should mention that I'm totally looking for a GF. I don't care at all about quantity, I'm all about quality. I don't care how long it takes for us to have sex. I care about how attractive she is and her character/personality

Talk to the entire group. I was scared of groups at first (the fear hasn't disappeared completely), but they're nowhere as bad I thought. If you're as awesome as you say you are, you should have enough presence to get a group to like you.

Post: #17

(01-17-2017 10:59 PM)Corollary Wrote:  Talk to the entire group. I was scared of groups at first (the fear hasn't disappeared completely), but they're nowhere as bad I thought. If you're as awesome as you say you are, you should have enough presence to get a group to like you.

This dude wants me to cold approach random groups of 3-7 women

Post: #18

(01-17-2017 10:33 PM)brahmabull Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 10:20 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  About the final part, if you keep looking for the so called "easy" interactions you will continue to get laid at a rate of less than once a year on average. If you want what you already have, keep doing what you've been doing. If not, then take my advice and approach. When I say you can get 1 in 30 that isn't an exact number, it could be more or it could be less, but it is nothing to take lightly. You have to understand that approaching a girl that doesn't know you and isn't connected to you in any way and going from introducing yourself to having sex with her and potentially a relationship is not something that is easy. 1 in 30 is a very respectable average to have, and I would say it is along the higher end of guys that consider themselves players. The only thing is those guys don't approach one a day, they do things like go out on the weekend and approach 20+ women.

just FYI, that 1 in 30, are you talking about turning a conversation into a date?

Because if I get 1 date, I'm pretty confident that my success rate from there on will be 85+%. All I need is a few women who are attracted to me and interested in meeting somebody. I'm very good at selling myself on a date.

I just very rarely get dates. I always see a million obstacles in the way and assume women don't ever want to be hit on.

I'm calling bullshit on this - 85% bang rate from converting dates to bang ?

You've only banged 8-10 women ?

Even I don't have a 85% conversion rate.

(01-17-2017 11:04 PM)brahmabull Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 10:59 PM)Corollary Wrote:  Talk to the entire group. I was scared of groups at first (the fear hasn't disappeared completely), but they're nowhere as bad I thought. If you're as awesome as you say you are, you should have enough presence to get a group to like you.

This dude wants me to cold approach random groups of 3-7 women

You won't even approach one, so why bother with anything.

Post: #19

(01-17-2017 11:16 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I'm calling bullshit on this - 85% bang rate from converting dates to bang ?

You've only banged 8-10 women ?

Even I don't have a 85% conversion rate.

I have 10000000% confidence that any date I get will result in a woman wanting to be with me long term


You have to understand what I'm working with. I pick them up in my $70,000 Lexus, I dress very upscale (and I'm a good looking/fit dude to begin with). On the date, I always pay for everything. I can hold a good conversation on almost any subject matter. I make them feel very comfortable. I have an interesting back story (was born in a different country). I am educated. I pay 100% attention to them and make them feel like they're the only woman in the world


I absolutely dominate dates...I just don't ever get any

Post: #20

(01-17-2017 11:25 PM)brahmabull Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:16 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I'm calling bullshit on this - 85% bang rate from converting dates to bang ?

You've only banged 8-10 women ?

Even I don't have a 85% conversion rate.

I have 10000000% confidence that any date I get will result in a woman wanting to be with me long term


You have to understand what I'm working with. I pick them up in my $70,000 Lexus, I dress very upscale (and I'm a good looking/fit dude to begin with). On the date, I always pay for everything. I can hold a good conversation on almost any subject matter. I make them feel very comfortable. I have an interesting back story (was born in a different country). I am educated. I pay 100% attention to them and make them feel like they're the only woman in the world


I absolutely dominate dates...I just don't ever get any

Post: #21

(01-17-2017 11:33 PM)Corollary Wrote:  

I swear on my mom's life that I'm not lying about anything. I'm willing to post pictures of anything I'm talking about. Hell I'll post a paystub if you want


I'm the male equivalent of that really hot 27 year old woman who never dates anybody because she is afraid of men... My confidence really was shattered that badly as a kid. People are just baffled that I've been suffering so badly with my perma-single status.

Post: #22

and I'm sorry if I'm being difficult guys


I totally understand I need to put myself out there...I'm just trying to figure out a way that will involve minimal torture

Post: #23

(01-18-2017 12:31 AM)brahmabull Wrote:  and I'm sorry if I'm being difficult guys


I totally understand I need to put myself out there...I'm just trying to figure out a way that will involve minimal torture

I used to hate when I was new on this forum and people would hate, but I guess I can see why now.

What the hell do you want? We've all given you advice, what else do you want?

Post: #24

You kill it on dates but dont have the confidence to approach? I call troll.

Post: #25

This sounds a lot like a manifesto, Elliott.