Post: #26

(04-28-2017 12:37 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  If she's truly receptive to the "possibility of you" it's indicative of a less than"100% happy" in her current situation. There's a crack there

This is the key. No couple is 100% happy all the time. Also, we can quite reasonably stipulate, that the happiness is inversely proportional to the length of the average relationship, for most girls look for excitement, butterflies in their stomach and adventure most of the time. Inevitably, majority of men, as time goes by, will slip with their alphaness (if there was any to begin with) and, as PT wrote, the cracks will come out bigger and bigger (and neurochemical stimulation of various positive neurotransmitters begins to wear off) and at some point, consciously or not, a girl will begin to look around for a better deal (which, again, will show cracks there and the circle repeats).

If we increase the cycles and number of girls, I think, again, simplifying, from the pool of all girls who are dating (and not seriously considering marriage with a particular male), all girls are somewhat (some more, some less) open for possibility to swing on another branch minus the girls who are in the first 6-24 months of dating. Various statistics indicate different lengths but a rough estimate for Western countries, is that relationships last, on average 2.5 years, however we can safely, I think, discount last 6 months, when the things usually got too sour to even count. But the experience shows that often things begin to go South after 6 months so let's average, 6 +2 4 / 2 = 15 months

Hence, conservatively speaking, we'd talk about 15 months a girl who is dating properly, would be pretty much unavailable when she claims 'I have a boyfriend'.

The only problem is we don't know which part of this cycle a girl is in. However, simplification it is, for a sufficiently big number say, 1000 girls, each of them will have, started dating at some point in these 15 months' time. With equal distribution over 15 months , we'd have. 66.6 girls beginning dating each month. If we assume, which seems quite reasonable, that the first six months are more or less, honeymoon phase, than nearly 2/5 of girls are off the charts. But the good news, the other 3/5 of girls, whose dating phase is past 6 months will become somewhat open to consider swinging onto a new branch, as long as the contender is perceived by her as having the things she deems attractive. And her openness will begin to increase with time where we can assume around 1.5 years mark she will seriously consider monkey branching unless a guy has good game.

In conclusion, out of 1000 girls approached randomly, and who'd claim that they have a boyfriend, with a very rough estimation, we could say that these ones who wouldn't be open in the slightest to go out on a date, would be ~400. Which means, that you should push forward because ~600 of the girls who will say 'I have a boyfriend', are at least somewhat open to sample what's out there and as long as you project what she's looking for, you should have a shot at a potential date. Now, there are plenty other variables but what I intended to show, one should not get discouraged at all and use this approximate heuristic as a guidance.

Even if the odds are smaller, such that 1/5 of the girls, instead of 3/5, that is 60% who claim that they have boyfriend are open to monkey branching, these are still good odds, and as it has been noticed by PT above, a truly attractive girls is never single because due to the number of suitors who are in continuous supply she never has to nor has an incentive to be truly single for more than a few days or weeks at most.

In short, never get discouraged and, ignore the boyfriend objection, or dismiss if necessary and confidently push for getting at least a number if not a date. Because even if she's "really" happy in a relationship, within the timeframe of reasonably happy relationship of 15 months, statistically, you'll catch her around the mark of 7.5 months in, hence on average, within 7.5 months time she'll be truly back on the market. Proposed numbers my deviate quite a bit from the real data (if there is any good data capturing the dynamics of relationships) but I think there's some good rationale behind ignoring a girl's stating the fact she's got a boyfriend. Press on.

Post: #27

The best ones usually are always taken or keep one just to have one because being single is perceived as a negative for them.

They may drop that as a way to see if you'll give up easily, will have your demonor changed or just stating facts. For me, it boils down to what they do, if they stick around they're open to the idea. Otherwise they'll just leave.

Post: #28

I just want to say all personal ethics aside, I admire the diversity in this community on this subject. Always have.

I personally steer clear of women who are taken if I can help it, but I have absolutely nothing against dudes who knowingly game broads who are looking to cheat on their men. As the old adage goes: A girl is never "yours" just "your turn." This is the same reason I'm always confused by dudes who get vengeful at a strange man who bangs their girl. You're girl is the one who fucked around, not the other dude's fault. The only time that situation is south is if the other man is a personal friend of yours.

Also, ksbms is right in that no relationship is 100% (especially nowadays). Just like how when it comes to money everyone has a price, with relationships there is always a bar of entry that can be met. Your sweetheart would likely open her legs for another man if it was Brad Pitt or some other fantasy dreamboat came to swoop her.

Post: #29

I'd keep at it for a little while at least, but if the roadblock keeps coming up i would bail.

It's usually just a shit test. If she's not gonna fuck you because of a boyfriend then it'll be a roadblock you can't pass anyway. If she does end up having one but still bangs you then it's not your problem, but I can see how some men would feel scummy for it. It's not your fault if the girl is willing to cheat though, no matter how good your game is.

That being said if I knew for sure she had a boyfriend and that it wasn't a shit test, then I wouldn't continue hitting on her. That just almost never happens though.

Post: #30

*Voted Yes*
To me, they only say it to test if I'm really assertive.
And I am.

Post: #31

Unless I know the husband and he's a deadbeat loser, I do not mess with married or taken girls.

You never know if the guy will be a loser who will complain about it, or a mafia guy who will make you regret it. There are billions of girls on the planet, I leave the married ones alone. For every virgin bride that takes another dick, a family breaks up.

Post: #32

(03-02-2017 04:10 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 04:04 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  Just tell her to give you her phone number anyway.
Simple as that.

But have you ever been in situations where this has worked, though, i.e., she initially drops the BF bomb, but you disregard and still ask for her number and she gives you it and, to take the cake, you still end up banging the girl? This for me is the million dollar question, since it is the biggest stumbling block I've encountered with an otherwise very positive reception from the girl.

Sure. Sometimes the same day, sometimes it took more effort over time. I never pursue just one girl but there were a few cases where it was a multi-month low level effort. In at least two of those cases the fact that I was chasing other girls was part of the game, and helped a lot.

I don't mess with married girls.

Post: #33

The odds are that most high quality women will be in a relationship. If you run a good approach and feel a connection, you have to push for a number. Of course the openness of the girl will depend on various factors ranging from her attraction to you and the nature of the relationship with her boyfriend. I can understand not proceeding with a married woman. However, girls with boyfriends are fair game. There are few high quality women who are completely single that aren't in some phase of the dating process with someone. Eliminating all of those girls is not advisable.

Post: #34

You're clearly over the hump of the approaching phase, and seem to be able to generate some attraction; which tells me your ramble game is on point.

But as you go aong... stop focusing too much on the results of every single interaction... but more on how YOU performed your set. Results will come if you do the right things long enough.

Focus on that, and always pushing for that Instadate... and the one who want it will monkeybranch themselves by "omitting" from their convo with you about their boyfriend & their problems.

Also if you have girls on the street constantly tell you they have BF... that means that you might be to sexual for the Daytime... and turn you down "positively" since you're "non creepy" as per their standard. I believe the latter might be your sticking point. You seem to be doing good so keep it up!

Post: #35

The only red light is if she says she has kids.

Post: #36

Let's look at the possibilities

1- She is lying and she doesn't have a BF or husband >>> Then you should proceed as normal

2- She has a BF or husband but she is not happy >>>Then you should proceed as normal too.

3- She has a BF or husband , but she is happy >>>> Then you should leave her.


Of course you will never know, in advance, which situation she is at.

But out of the 3 possibilities 2 are in on your side. Then, run a normal game on her till she flat out reject you.