Post: #1

It feels great to be able to talk to random cute girls. I have done a few approaches this past week. I was confident I'll get a number here and there but didn't, I'm hoping I get a number sooner than later. Although I'm not even used to getting rejected yet. I'm thinking, on the days when I've a few lectures I'll just try an instadate. Get a milkshake or something.
But that's just me.

Post: #2

It can very a lot depending on the kind of approach you do and who you are, that is looks, style, body language, inner game, confidence ,and game skills. However, numbers collection is deceptive. Girls hand them out knowing they'll never reply to you. Better benchmark is the number of girls that will reply to your feeler. Even better, the proportion of girls who'll go out on a date with you. Roughly, out of 10 approaches, 4-5 numbers, 2-3 feeler replies, 1-2 dates is very good to excellent. There are blogs with guys posting detailed stats. For example, my stats for this year are 22 approaches to 4 dates with 4 girls (lookswise: 7, 7, 7, 8.5. though for Scotland it should be renormalized one point up, lol - all foreigners) meaning, I talk to 5.5 chicks to get one on a date. Stll no bang though. Hope this helps.

Post: #3

(03-04-2017 02:27 PM)ksbms Wrote:  It can very a lot depending on the kind of approach you do and who you are, that is looks, style, body language, inner game, confidence ,and game skills. However, numbers collection is deceptive. Girls hand them out knowing they'll never reply to you. Better benchmark is the number of girls that will reply to your feeler. Even better, the proportion of girls who'll go out on a date with you. Roughly, out of 10 approaches, 4-5 numbers, 2-3 feeler replies, 1-2 dates is very good to excellent. There are blogs with guys posting detailed stats. For example, my stats for this year are 22 approaches to 4 dates with 4 girls (lookswise: 7, 7, 7, 8.5. though for Scotland it should be renormalized one point up, lol - all foreigners) meaning, I talk to 5.5 chicks to get one on a date. Stll no bang though. Hope this helps.

Great reply, and I think KSBMS is totally right.

I've started documenting my approaches, all of which are very direct day time approaches, and I've gotten 7 numbers out of 24 approaches. None of these has turned into a date. This is pretty bad compared to what I'm used to, but at the moment I'm really out of shape.

Not to just repeat KSBMS, but getting a number isn't saying much. Few approaches turn into numbers, few numbers turn into dates, and few dates turn into lays.

Post: #4

@ksbms
By feeler do you mean touch? Because right from the next approach, I'm plotting touching strategies. On one hand I want to be subtle, but on the other, I want touch their b00bs and say 'oops, excuse my hand's manners' or something. Please elaborate more on this.

Post: #5

@StackGsMan
Thanks. I know few numbers turn into dates and even fewer into lays. Your 7/24 is of later stage.
I'm asking about the first breakthrough. How long that took? if you remember.

Post: #6

(03-04-2017 10:47 PM)Harami Wrote:  @ksbms
By feeler do you mean touch? Because right from the next approach, I'm plotting touching strategies. On one hand I want to be subtle, but on the other, I want touch their b00bs and say 'oops, excuse my hand's manners' or something. Please elaborate more on this.

Post: #7

@captain_shane
Excuse my bad English, looks like I got it wrong.
I don't mean I'd be doing that with one hand and this with other.
I was using the 'on one hand' in a argument statement manner ._.
I can't really touch a girl in that manner in public anyway. Or can I?

Post: #8

(03-04-2017 11:33 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  By feeler do you mean touch? Because right from the next approach, I'm plotting touching strategies.

Feeler : A fun flirty first text you send to a girl you number closed to see her responsiveness and interest in you.

(03-04-2017 11:33 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  On one hand I want to be subtle, but on the other, I want touch their b00bs and say 'oops, excuse my hand's manners' or something.

This one is really funny. I suggest you doing it once it the set. You would have lots of things to say in the forum then. That is if you make it then.

Post: #9

@brokinetic
Thanks for clearing that up.
captain_shane discouraged this idea, you're encouraging it. Not sure what do to.

Post: #10

(03-04-2017 10:52 PM)Harami Wrote:  @StackGsMan
Thanks. I know few numbers turn into dates and even fewer into lays. Your 7/24 is of later stage.
I'm asking about the first breakthrough. How long that took? if you remember.

Not exactly sure what you're asking, but if you clarify I'll be happy to answer.

Post: #11

Stop giving a fuck about phone numbers. Remove that mindset right now. Start focusing on logistics so you can suggest to random girls you meet on the street or in bars that you both move forward to your place to get more comfortable. Proceed from there.

Post: #12

@StackGsMan
I'm asking because I just started & Idk how long it takes. As ksbms said it depends on lots of factors, but even then what's the average time.

Post: #13

@slothpiece
I can't really bring them back to my place from the bus stop (bus depot?). They're probably in a hurry to get home and eat noodles, tired from college. If they let me tag along great. But that's best case scenario.

Post: #14

What the fuck. Fuck your bus stop. Talk to women as if your word is law. Stop worrying if your words may offend them. You cut that off by learning more about carefully choosing which words to convey in a message. Read more. And when something stumps you as far as what words you should choose in a hot minute under pressure, spit what you know. Then when you have time to spend after that awkward moment you may have experienced, read up on what you didn't know at the time you had to answer that question. It's always better to know that you know things your adversaries think you don't know.

Post: #15

(03-05-2017 01:43 AM)Harami Wrote:  @brokinetic
Thanks for clearing that up.
captain_shane discouraged this idea, you're encouraging it. Not sure what do to.

I was being sarcastic about the boob touching my man. You will appear uncalibrated trying to touch a girls boob so early in the set. Escalation should be done gradually from level 1 to 10. Touching her boobs is at least at level 7.

Concentrate on reducing approach anxiety, rambling creatively in conversation, and building comfort. Once you get good at these then go ahead and escalate.

Go get yourself a game book:
Rooshs Bang or Day Bang for indirect game
Krausers Daygame Mastery or Tom Torerro's Street Hustle for direct game

This thread was never needed in the first place.

Post: #16

Great sarcasm skills.
How would I know am asking the wrong questions if i don't ask the questions at all?
I know I'm out of line here..

Post: #17

Harami, can you please describe what you look like, where you're from and how you dress. I have a faint idea but I want to ask you to be fair.

Post: #18

@Cobra
Brokinetic asked me a similar question. I'm Indian too. Just turned 18, Top to bottom, Zayn like face structure with an almost SRK like nose? Small build/t.
I wear ironed fitted shirts, well tailored pants, blackish sweaters in winter. Picture Dhanush. I go to a university where we have to wear uniform on Wednesdays. It works in my favor.
Ankle length socks. I'm lazy about shoes, black sneakers.
Right now my hair looks like this:
http://www.thehairstyler.com/mobile/mens...-hairstyle
Beard? Not coming. So I get my facial hair trimmed, thus weekly barber visits.
I may have exaggerated, all in all I'm average looking.
I guess you don't live in India. I do.

Post: #19

When I first started I think I got a phone number from the fourth or fifth college girl I talked with for a while in Starbucks.

She never texted back. 90% don't. Sadly, phone numbers from day/night game are mostly useless nowadays - at this point with night game at least, unless I'm actually able to bounce her to another location that very evening, or our interaction is something absolutely tremendous (they usually aren't) I don't even bother asking for it as she's not really interested.

With online game unless we have some amazing kino and makeout that very evening I don't bother trying for a day 2, as she's not really interested.

YMMV though in other parts of the US or in the world at large. I think at least a couple other New England area guys have agreed that the Northeast is particularly ruthless when it comes to women being "all in or all out."

Too many dicks that look good on paper chasing too little pussy.

Post: #20

My first approach actually turned into a same day date, but I was a fucking moron at the time so I didn't convert that into a lay. it feels like I get numbers more than I don't so long as I try to get one, but as others have said they pretty much never reply, so I usually try more to get same days rather than just numbers.

I think lately after online dating stuff exploded and every girl started using Tinder or what have you that numbers have become even less convertible than they used to be. On campus it feels like you're competing with that 'horde' moreso than any man on campus.

Post: #21

(03-07-2017 02:14 PM)Fightersword Wrote:  I think lately after online dating stuff exploded and every girl started using Tinder or what have you that numbers have become even less convertible than they used to be. On campus it feels like you're competing with that 'horde' moreso than any man on campus.

I feel sad that it has to be this way for a lot of college-aged young men. I was in college in the mid-late 1990s, none of us had cell phones until the very end, and I think young guys don't know just how thirsty the girls were before they had social media feeding them potential dick all day long.

If I were in my early 20s at this point, in college, and forced to use the apps I'd probably be writing girls my own age off as being too highly in-demand, and shooting for slightly older girls with smaller social circles who aren't in school anymore.

Post: #22

(03-07-2017 01:32 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  Too many dicks that look good on paper chasing too little pussy.

Heh, that's just it. I know at least two guys who can never IRL get a girl's number, but are able to get tons of matches and first dates via Tinder/Bumble etc. Of course once the girl shows up and realizes what she's getting, it leads nowhere fast. But I can imagine there's tons of such guys, making women think the pool of attractive + fun men is much larger than it really is.

Post: #23

Harami I'm from India but been living in the US since I was 12, for almost 30 years. I'm very westernized but sometimes as Indian as they get. I also understand the sexual market in India somewhat better than most westerners having visited and having ties there. I also know many Indian and/or South Asian parents that raise their boys to be pussies. They live right around me in the USA and our kids sometimes attend the same events. I've seen some pretty lame pictures at dance schools etc. with boys and girls posing in horrendously awkward poses which can only result from social malaise from the rest of the western community.

Your biggest problem is self confidence. I also see overbearing parents in the back ground for whatever reason. As an Indian dude, you can look like SRK or Dhanush all you want but you will not get pussy unless you learn game or earn fame. Those guys are famous. You likely won't be famous so let's stick to game.

You're overly worried about what women think of you. One of the first things you can do is start working out. Get in decent shape and you will find it easier to speak to women. I guarantee it. Your dress style also needs to change drastically from what I can tell.

I'm happy to consider being a mentor IF and ONLY IF you do what I suggest:
-Start a "Harami self improvement thread." This way, other members can also offer alternate advice, more often better than mine.
-Show me a work out plan for a month that you will follow in that thread (as a start) - if you can do it for a month, I give you credit. Just create a plan and stick to it. Cardio, lifting, whatever. There is a fitness section that will help you.
-Post pictures of how you dress (block out face)
-Post your approach details

If you can do the things above, I will consider assisting. If you don't respond to this, I will know you truly don't want to improve. I hate to be blunt but that's the truth.

Post: #24

(03-08-2017 08:38 PM)Cobra Wrote:  Harami I'm from India but been living in the US since I was 12, for almost 30 years. I'm very westernized but sometimes as Indian as they get. I also understand the sexual market in India somewhat better than most westerners having visited and having ties there. I also know many Indian and/or South Asian parents that raise their boys to be pussies. They live right around me in the USA and our kids sometimes attend the same events. I've seen some pretty lame pictures at dance schools etc. with boys and girls posing in horrendously awkward poses which can only result from social malaise from the rest of the western community.

Your biggest problem is self confidence. I also see overbearing parents in the back ground for whatever reason. As an Indian dude, you can look like SRK or Dhanush all you want but you will not get pussy unless you learn game or earn fame. Those guys are famous. You likely won't be famous so let's stick to game.

You're overly worried about what women think of you. One of the first things you can do is start working out. Get in decent shape and you will find it easier to speak to women. I guarantee it. Your dress style also needs to change drastically from what I can tell.

I'm happy to consider being a mentor IF and ONLY IF you do what I suggest:
-Start a "Harami self improvement thread." This way, other members can also offer alternate advice, more often better than mine.
-Show me a work out plan for a month that you will follow in that thread (as a start) - if you can do it for a month, I give you credit. Just create a plan and stick to it. Cardio, lifting, whatever. There is a fitness section that will help you.
-Post pictures of how you dress (block out face)
-Post your approach details

If you can do the things above, I will consider assisting. If you don't respond to this, I will know you truly don't want to improve. I hate to be blunt but that's the truth.

I was waiting for @Cobra's post as he is the more experienced one.

@Harimi. Excuse me for being a bit rude previously. Anyway :

1.You said you have a small frame. So doing a mass gaining program will be suitable. Check out Kris Gethins DTP. It helped me to gain some nice mass. Then there is the lifters lounge in the forum. There are lots of advice in this thread and you can ask questions on weight lifting.

2. Style is important when approaching a girl. You would want to separate yourself
from the rest of the pack. I would say, change your shoes. Go with dressing shoes. Get a color that matches your belt.

That's all for now. I hope you do make a 'Harimi self improvement thread'. Will be interesting to know about your development.

There aren't many Indian guys out there doing this, you are trying and giving your best.

Good luck

Post: #25

@Harami

I'm going to post my own self improvement threads here so you can see what I have done. I don't like to preach without people knowing it comes from a real and genuine place:

My journey pre and post Rooshv - /thread-33796.html

Analysis of RVF Members' game - /thread-11283...t=Analysis

Inside the Prejudices of an Indian Man (article) - /thread-42049.html