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Story in The Hill today...

Quote:El Carnaval de Puebla, a major Cinco De Mayo celebration in Philadelphia, has been canceled following recent federal immigration crackdowns, organizers said.

Edgar Ramirez told a local NBC affiliate that as many as 15,000 people gather for the annual parade through South Philadelphia, marking the city's largest Cinco de Mayo celebration.

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Ramirez said that the Mexican-American community, including both legal and illegal residents, was disheartened by reports of large-scale arrests.

"The group of six organizers decided to cancel unanimously,” Ramirez said. “Everyone is offended by the actions of ICE. They did not feel comfortable holding the event."

Why are there 15,000 people celebrating Cinco De Mayo that far from the south, anyway?

Either way, let's hope for many more canceled celebrations, and many more sad illegals.

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We're supposed to feel bad because they aren't breaking the law openly anymore.

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I bet once we send them all back to Mexico, they can have a killer Cinco de Mayo celebration there.

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(03-19-2017 10:17 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  I bet once we send them all back to Mexico, they can have a killer Cinco de Mayo celebration there.

Oddly enough, Cinco de Mayo isn't really a big deal in Mexico. It's not a national holiday and it's only celebrated in one state. Non-Mexican latinos in the US hate it because it's a Mexico-specific holiday but people treat it like it's some general celebration of latino culture. Fake holiday.

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(03-19-2017 10:32 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 10:17 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  I bet once we send them all back to Mexico, they can have a killer Cinco de Mayo celebration there.

Oddly enough, Cinco de Mayo isn't really a big deal in Mexico. It's not a national holiday and it's only celebrated in one state. Non-Mexican latinos in the US hate it because it's a Mexico-specific holiday but people treat it like it's some general celebration of latino culture. Fake holiday.

Always wondered about that....

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(03-19-2017 10:32 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 10:17 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  I bet once we send them all back to Mexico, they can have a killer Cinco de Mayo celebration there.

Oddly enough, Cinco de Mayo isn't really a big deal in Mexico. It's not a national holiday and it's only celebrated in one state. Non-Mexican latinos in the US hate it because it's a Mexico-specific holiday but people treat it like it's some general celebration of latino culture. Fake holiday.

Once we repatriate the 20% of Mexico that's living in the US, I bet it becomes a lot bigger. Cultural enrichment!

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(03-19-2017 10:32 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  Oddly enough, Cinco de Mayo isn't really a big deal in Mexico. It's not a national holiday and it's only celebrated in one state. Non-Mexican latinos in the US hate it because it's a Mexico-specific holiday but people treat it like it's some general celebration of latino culture. Fake holiday.

I suspect that days like St. Patrick's Day and Cinco de Mayo are part of the process of integrating and assimilating migrant groups that have higher levels of nationalistic tendencies.

Currently the United States as a nation is having a difficult time fully absorbing the impact of large Mexican migration. Before Mexican migration, the United States had massive Irish migrant populations and they were heavily nationalistic and difficult to fully assimilate too.

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(03-19-2017 10:07 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Why are there 15,000 people celebrating Cinco De Mayo that far from the south, anyway?

First thing I thought of when you said that: Hazelton.

For anyone that's not familiar with the story of Hazelton, PA and wants to learn a bit about it, start by reading this WaPo story in 2006, when Hazelton tried to be the first city in the nation to crack down on illegal immigration with some sensible measures (as well as declaring English the official language of the city). The order was, surprise surprise, struck down by the courts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...01484.html

2006, a simpler time when people called illegal immigrants what they were, and even people in congress like Hillary and Obama agreed it was bad.

Fast foward 10 years, this story from this past February:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/more-...rs-n714351

See the complete takeover of your typical American town in 10 years. Look at existing policies and demographic trends and easy to see why this couldn't happen at the federal level - and frankly already is. (also note how they gloss over the "crime" question at the end)

But circling back to your original question, there's also this:



(Based off this gif - http://i.imgur.com/YvLnz3u.gif - which is a fascinating look at how things were and where they've gone, specifically starting at 1970/after Hart-Cellar passed in 1965)


But yeah, that far north isn't a surprise. Mexican immigration (legal and illegal) is vastly up in Canada too. Favoured status by virtue of proximity to the U.S. rather than merit-based criteria which thankfully Trump wants to bring in.

Probably too late, though.

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(03-19-2017 10:49 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 10:32 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  Oddly enough, Cinco de Mayo isn't really a big deal in Mexico. It's not a national holiday and it's only celebrated in one state. Non-Mexican latinos in the US hate it because it's a Mexico-specific holiday but people treat it like it's some general celebration of latino culture. Fake holiday.

I suspect that days like St. Patrick's Day and Cinco de Mayo are part of the process of integrating and assimilating migrant groups that have higher levels of nationalistic tendencies.

Currently the United States as a nation is having a difficult time fully absorbing the impact of large Mexican migration. Before Mexican migration, the United States had massive Irish migrant populations and they were heavily nationalistic and difficult to fully assimilate too.

My take on all "expat" (though I doubt it's Mexican expats as such: it's American-raised Latinos who are doing this, not recent immigrants) celebrations like this is that they amount to overcompensating by the group that's carrying them out. They are narcissistic assertions of identity when you're worried you're insignificant in the place you landed.

Last Psychiatrist explains it in the context of idiotic Tiger Mom Amy Chua:

Quote:Amy Chua isn't a Chinese mother, she's an American mother. She had a Chinese mother, but now she's a first generation American, which means she has more in common with Natalie Portman than she does with any recent Chinese immigrant. As an American, she was raised by the same forces: MTV, Reagan, Clinton, John Hughes movies. She may have reacted differently to those, but they were her experiences.

And what do Americans do? They brand themselves. I have no idea if Amy Chua cares about Viking stoves or Lexus automobiles but clearly her brand is SuperSinoMom and her bling are her kids. When Jay-Z wants to front he makes a video, and when Amy Chua represents she writes a WSJ article. Because that's her demo, you feel me?

Which means this self-serving piece has nothing to do with "how Chinese mothers are superior" but is really a summary of her episode of MTV Cribs. "Welcome to my home, yo, let me show you my gold toilet. It's for peeing and flushing the coke down when the heat comes in the back way."

Saint Patrick's Day as it originally started up was a Proddie celebration. Early on George Washington used it to try and get more Irishmen into the Continental army. And during most of its run - up until the 1880s or so - it was basically the Irish bitching about the English, which is kind of amusing given the English were out of America from 1780 or so. Only from the 1880s did it turn into Catholic nationalism as such. As with Australia, the Irish got the underclass character perk to start with en masse. Naturally they ghettoised. Naturally they went into a sort of mourning as they sucked so badly back in Ireland that they had to cross an ocean to find any chance of a better life and then didn't get that better life in spades when they arrived.

So one can certainly understand direct immigrants proudly asserting their culture (though not without exception. Others, like my grandmother, spit on the country they came from. She'd lived through a world war, and she repeatedly pronounced that she was Australian, that Australia was the best country in the world.)

The children of those expats, though? It's just branding. Just narcissism. Just capitalism: Paddy's day is a day for people to buy beer and get fucking drunk. Cinco de Mayo? For every five "Latinos" under the age of 30 at a Cinco de Mayo celebreation I'll bet you four of them don't speak any more Mexican than "Ay, papi". Because they're not Mexicans, they're Americans, and, having been force-fed the identity-free American culture, are paranoid about not having a brand for themselves.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

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I posted this in the wrong thread the other evening, and meant to put a link here, but didn't get around to it. My browser was crashing.

/thread-61744...pid1532610

Not really saying very much. A 'rant' apparently ;-), but just thought I'd bring it to your attention, Paracelsus, in case you missed it:

In hindsight, I should have put it here. Apologies Steve McQueen.

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(03-19-2017 11:10 PM)Last Parade Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 10:07 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Why are there 15,000 people celebrating Cinco De Mayo that far from the south, anyway?

First thing I thought of when you said that: Hazelton.

For anyone that's not familiar with the story of Hazelton, PA and wants to learn a bit about it, start by reading this WaPo story in 2006, when Hazelton tried to be the first city in the nation to crack down on illegal immigration with some sensible measures (as well as declaring English the official language of the city). The order was, surprise surprise, struck down by the courts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...01484.html

2006, a simpler time when people called illegal immigrants what they were, and even people in congress like Hillary and Obama agreed it was bad.

Fast foward 10 years, this story from this past February:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/more-...rs-n714351

See the complete takeover of your typical American town in 10 years. Look at existing policies and demographic trends and easy to see why this couldn't happen at the federal level - and frankly already is. (also note how they gloss over the "crime" question at the end)

But circling back to your original question, there's also this:



(Based off this gif - http://i.imgur.com/YvLnz3u.gif - which is a fascinating look at how things were and where they've gone, specifically starting at 1970/after Hart-Cellar passed in 1965)


But yeah, that far north isn't a surprise. Mexican immigration (legal and illegal) is vastly up in Canada too. Favoured status by virtue of proximity to the U.S. rather than merit-based criteria which thankfully Trump wants to bring in.

Probably too late, though.

Goddamn Canadians invading Vermont!

It's ok. I'm confidant that the Canadians in Vermont aren't breaking into someone's house right now.

Meanwhile, in Houston...

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(03-22-2017 07:22 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  Goddamn Canadians invading Vermont!

It's ok. I'm confidant that the Canadians in Vermont aren't breaking into someone's house right now.

Meanwhile, in Houston...

Dad, this is Rico! He wants to take me out for dinner.

"I'm ok with that. That's fine. Would you like some money Rico, I have money..."

"If it's not enough I might be able to get some more. 24 hours work for you?"

"Rico?"

"Please stop staring at me like that Rico, it's unnerving me."

"Nice tats, did you do them yourself?"

Moral of the story is: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Would you tell Rico he couldn't take your daughter out for dinner?

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(03-19-2017 10:17 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  I bet once we send them all back to Mexico, they can have a killer Cinco de Mayo celebration there.

Pretty sure he was being facetious there... "killer" referring to the rampant violence. Meh, kinda ruins the joke. Should have italicized the word.

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(03-19-2017 10:49 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 10:32 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  Oddly enough, Cinco de Mayo isn't really a big deal in Mexico. It's not a national holiday and it's only celebrated in one state. Non-Mexican latinos in the US hate it because it's a Mexico-specific holiday but people treat it like it's some general celebration of latino culture. Fake holiday.

I suspect that days like St. Patrick's Day and Cinco de Mayo are part of the process of integrating and assimilating migrant groups that have higher levels of nationalistic tendencies.

Currently the United States as a nation is having a difficult time fully absorbing the impact of large Mexican migration. Before Mexican migration, the United States had massive Irish migrant populations and they were heavily nationalistic and difficult to fully assimilate too.

In every St. Patrick's Day that I have ever been at or seen on TV, there was always a sense of reverence towards the US. The banner of the US is appropriately on the right in all Color Guards, military/first responders were held in high regard, the National Anthem is appropriately played and not mocked, and I have never seen a protest against the big bad evil government. You will most likely see a similar mindset at a Highland Games or on Tartan Day, Oktoberfest, and other festivals that are ethnically Eurocentric. At the very least there is not outright hostility towards the US.

The Cinco De Mayo celebration has began to have a hostility towards the US as of late. You have seen it with the day becoming basically an anti US and pro immigration protest, and non-Latino students being sent home from school simply wearing a shirt with an American flag to name a few. Personally I see a big difference between the two, one is celebrating your heritage the other is a political rally.

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(03-22-2017 08:40 PM)Gmac Wrote:  Pretty sure he was being facetious there... "killer" referring to the rampant violence. Meh, kinda ruins the joke. Should have italicized the word.

Damn it, that would've been really funny if I'd thought of that!

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Meme Magic truly is out of control.