Post: #1

So I was planning to visit SEA for the first time and definitely overused the travel section, but my plans have fallen through for a lot of reasons. To all those that helped me plan that might be reading this, sorry to have asked for so much and not gone through with it.

Since I can't go abroad now, I've decided to share my next 90 days of day game approaches as a way to open up discussion and add value to the forum in my own way. I am in the process of losing a lot of weight, and I will also begin a 60 nights of night game thread as well in about a month to document my results.

About me:

I'm 6'2'', in the 290's lbs (I will post my weight with every approach to track how my weight changing effects my results), am losing weight at about the rate of 15-20 lbs a month, and I'm a light skinned and featured Mid Eastern guy born in the US. I'm under 30 years old. I'm definitely fat, but my body type is more of a muscular buff type with fat on it rather than tons of fat and little muscle. When I do day game let it suffice to say I don't dress well, and although I won't say what I wear, I think it is important to add that it probably has a slight negative effect.

I will be doing my approaches in a major city in America, which I am not worried about sharing privately and can probably be found by searching my other posts, but I'd rather be slightly anonymous in this thread.

My background with game is I began really getting into it as a Junior in college, many years ago, but I only pushed further along as time went on. I have done nearly all of my game from day game, with a few consensual strippers as notches as well as a couple of online lays. Night game I have barely ever done, and as far as I can remember never had a lay directly from a bar or club. I intend to become much more focused on night game for several reasons, and like I said I will begin that in about a month.

I started recording my day game in February, but mainly because of a loss of motivation I didn't get very far. Excluding this month (May), which is when I will focus on for the purpose of this thread, I approached about 50 women (talking only day game here). I will exclude all of those from this thread except the three most recent before May which I number closed. I'll discuss those briefly in the next post.

Post: #2

The first number I list is just the order in which I approached that day. The second one, which is three digits, is my weight that day. The third part is race/nationality and my approximation of age. The fourth is the type of day game venue, which I will not be too specific about. The fifth is my rating of the girl on a 1-10 scale. The rest is the result, and I will follow up with how things continue to unfold afterwards as they happen.

I'll also try to give a brief description of my general style of approach on that day and possibly a thoughts description at the bottom.

During the last week of April I number closed the following:

1. 298. African-American 20’s. Grocery Store. 7-8. Number Closed. She has texted very sporadically since then, maybe one or two medium sized texts a day. I've matched her pace of texting, but generally write more. We have a date set up for sometime soon.

2. 297. Vietnamese 20’s. Grocery Store. 5-6. Number Closed. Sent one text, she replied, and then radio silence even after a restart a week later.

3. 294. Colombian late 30’s. Grocery Store. 7-8. Number Closed. We texted sporadically, until one day we texted back and forth for a while. She called me without me initiating a call in any way and was very talkative. Haven't really texted much since, but I'll follow up probably tomorrow.

EDIT***** (one I forgot) 4. 293. Vietnamese early 40's. Gym. 7. Number Closed. Haven't contacted her yet, but this was when I was planning on going to SEA and I struck up a conversation about Ho Chi Minh City, where she is from. She was friendlier than I'm used to as far as Vietnamese women go, and she asked for my number without me asking so she could have a niece show me around HCMC when I get there.

General Game Style: Very direct, but with 1 and 3 I was also very talkative after approaching.

Thoughts: None so far.

Post: #3

5/3/2017

"IHABF" is I have a boyfriend.

1. 291. White-American 50’s. Grocery Store. 5. Married.
2. 291. Mexican-American 20’s. Grocery Store. 6-7. Married.
3. 291. Venezuelan 30’s. Grocery Store. 7-8. Number Closed.
4. 291. White-American 20’s. Grocery Store. 5. “IHABF”.
5. 291. Vietnamese 20’s. Grocery Store. 6-7. Number Closed.
6. 291. Cameroonian 20’s. Grocery Store. 8-9. Number Closed.
7. 291. Congolese 20’s. Grocery Store. 5. “IHABF”.
8. 291. Congolese 20’s. Grocery Store. 5. Straight “No”.
9. 291. Iraqi 20’s. Clothing Store. 7. Number Closed.
10. 291. Nigerian early 30’s. Grocery Store. 6. Married.

Style of Game: Much more talkative, and in many cases more indirect. Some conversations were probably as long as 10 or more minutes, but some were very direct and short.

Thoughts: The more you can get a girl talking if there is even a spark of interest, the more chance that she will agree to give her number. I got a no or hesitation, kept talking, and then got a willing yes later.

Post: #4

5/4/2017

1. 291. Vietnamese 30’s. Grocery Store. 6. Married.
2. 291. White-American 20's. Grocery Store. 6. She acted weirded out so I ejected.
3. 291. Chinese-American 20's. Grocery Store. 6. Single but "not interested".
4. 291. White-American 40's. While Driving. 6. Flirty, but showed me ring.
5. 291. Mexican-American 20's. Grocery Store. Barely 5. "IHABF".
6. 291. Colombian-American 20's. Grocery Store. 8-8.5. She just walked off early on.

Style of Game: I became even more indirect today for many approaches. Today was one of my worse days in a while, but no major blowouts.

Thoughts: I made it out a bit late after the 5-7 PM peak. Just a rough day, but the good news is at this point I have VERY LITTLE approach anxiety in day venues.

Post: #5

Mate, where are you day gaming, the united nations building lobby?

Post: #6

(05-05-2017 09:53 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  Mate, where are you day gaming, the united nations building lobby?

Funny! So I was going to save this information for later on, maybe at the end of the 90 days, but here goes. I live in a major US city, I'm way deep into the top 10 biggest in the country.

The part of town I live in has basically no night game at all. I mean there are pubs and things like that, but I imagine you could go to each bar every night for a year and be able to count on your hands the number of 7+.

The beauty of my area is cost and day game. First the cost. You can probably find many studio apartments that are less than 10 years old, and many of them practically new, and better quality than I've seen anywhere in NYC or LA except the rich areas, for 800 USD a month. If you want to stay in a more ghetto place you can probably find 600 USD a month, but I don't recommend it because chances are you might get robbed or your car and stuff get vandalized.

Compare this to the center of the city, which is the most desirable for most young guys, especially those into night game. A comparable apartment to the one that I described above at 800 USD would easily be 1400 USD a month, and maybe more.

Now about the game options. In the center of the city, which is at least 25 minutes away by car from me, you predominantly will find White American people. After that you will find a certain amount of Black American people, but they mainly don't live there and only go on weekends to party. There are a decent number of Latinos, but less then Black and same situation about not living there. Finally you will find some foreigners, generally the relatively well off types. I've never really day gamed there, but what I described is what the night game is like.

The game options on my side, by which I basically mean day game because night game is essentially non-existant, is a whole other story. I live on the lower income side of the area, but am a 10 minute drive from the upper middle class area. I day game on both sides. This area is probably 80% foreigners or American born children of immigrants.

This is the part I was going to save until I did more approaches, but in about 200-300 day time approaches over the past year or two these are the nationalities I have spoken to (not counting the people born here with foreign parents, which is basically like 45% of the area). I'll update this list after the 90 days.

North America: US, Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras,

South America: Venezuela, Colombia, Brazil

Africa: Eritrea, Ethiopia, South Africa, Kenya, Republic of Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Equitorial Guinea, Cameroon, Nigeria, Burkina Faso, Guinea, Morocco, Libya, Egypt

Middle East: Lebanese, Iranian, Syrian, Turkish, Iraqi, Yemeni

Europe: Russian, Romanian, Ukrainian

Asian (excluding Mid East and EA/SEA): Kazakhstan, Pakistan, India

East and Southeast Asia: Vietnamese, Burmese, Chinese, Taiwanese

These are all the countries where I have met at least one girl (and I'm only counting girls) born there, and many of them I've met several. For example, in the past two or so weeks I've met 4 women just from Cali, Colombia. Plus these are just the ones I can remember.

I'll update the list at the end of the thread.

Post: #7

5/5/2017

1. 289. White-American 20’s. Grocery Store. 6.5. "IHABF".
2. 289. Puerto Rican-American early 20's. Grocery Store. 6.5. Number Closed.
3. 289. Mexican-American early 20's. Grocery Store. 6. "IHABF".
4. 289. White-American late 20's. Grocery Store. 8-9. "Happily Married".
5. 289. African-American 20's. Grocery Store. 7. Married.
6. 289. Indian 30's. Grocery Store. 6-7. One of my worst blowouts, Married.
7. 289. African-American early 30's. Grocery Store. 6.5. "IHABF".

I won't update the situation I had with all the numbers I've gotten so far just yet. Maybe I'll do so every Sunday.

Style of Game: I went slightly more direct today. The first two interactions I had a pretty good conversation going, and the number close was a long conversation that could have went on and turned into an instadate. Everything after the first two for today was pretty damn bad. I got blown out hard in one, and the rest treated me as if I was awkward. I am getting to the point where I have virtually no approach anxiety and don't mind approaching in most situations.

Thoughts: I once again made it out after peak hours, except the first two. I really started to feel down again like I have in the past after doing a lot of day game. I know that when my body gets good again my success will go up a ton, but day game is mainly about how you deal with rejection. I'm going to keep pushing through because I need to but also because I made this thread and feel accountable to the forum members. I'm starting to get to the point where I can tell how the interaction is going to go within the first few exchanges.

Although I won't detail my results with the numbers I got until Sunday, for now I'll just say that every single one of the new batch responded.

Post: #8

It's too bad you couldn't make it to SEA, but good on you for putting in your approaches.

Post: #9

(05-06-2017 01:52 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  It's too bad you couldn't make it to SEA, but good on you for putting in your approaches.

Thanks man. I am unhappy that I couldn't make it to SEA as well. I think it could have potentially been a life changing experience, or at the very least an eye opening one.

The reason I am not too down about not making it to SEA just yet is because this region sounds like one of the few places where older age doesn't necessarily hurt, and could also be a bonus.

Post: #10

5/6/2017

So today was my first legitimate experience with Mall Day Game. I have only gone to a mall specifically to game twice before today. The first time I went to one was in the middle of the week during the day and it was dead. All I had the courage to do was compliment one girl and walk off, and ask a mall employee what she thought about pink shirts on guys. This was very early on in my game career and I was still very shy with women to say the least.

The second time I gamed at a mall was at the same mall as today. I did about 4 aproaches, one of which got me a number. She never answered though. I let the fear and social anxiety take over after that and never hit a mall just to game since.

Today was amazing to say the least. There were so many hot girls around even though I wasn't able to make it during peak time. At first I was nervous to talk to more than a lone girl and I thought to myself that I'll make it a goal to approach more 2+ sets, but by the end I got over my fear.

I also saw another guy that was obviously just there to game as well, and I mentioned it to him. He mentioned the word game specifically, maybe he's a member here haha.

I also realized I'd forget who and when I approached if I just tried to use my memory. I just realized I have a app on my iphone called notes, and that is more than enough to briefly record my approaches until I can get on here and post them.

1. 289. Mexican-American 20’s. Gym. 6.5. "IHABF".
2. 289. African-American 37. Mall. 7-7.5. She said I was too young and "IHABF".
3. 289. Chinese 30's. Mall. 6. Number Closed.
4. 289. Latina-American 20's. Mall. 6.5. Very quick "IHABF".
5. 289. Latina 20's. Mall. 9. Blowout, wouldn't answer me, looked disgusted by me.
6. 289. Mexican 40's. Mall. 6-7. Number closed.
7. 289. Russian 20's. Mall. 9-9.5. Very little English, married.
8. 289. African-American 20's. Mall. 7-7.5. Number closed.
9. 289. Asian 20's. Mall. 8. Same style blowout as #5.
10. 289. African-American 20's. Mall. 7-7.5. Number closed.


Style of Game: Some approaches were more direct, some more indirect. I had several conversations that were 5 minutes or more, but only with those that I number closed. The other ones were very fast rejections or blowouts.


Thoughts: I forced myself to approach 2+ sets, but if not there were still lone girls. The trouble is that it takes a lot of effort and time to find the lone girls, and the best option is to man up and approach any size group that is purely girls.

There are a LOT of couples and women with children at the mall. Best to avoid those.

The mall felt like something of a hybrid of day game and night game. Girls were either super receptive, beyond what I experience in my normal day game venues during the week, or they were very rude in blowing me out. Once a girl is receptive, it seems like cake getting her to keep talking and I think an instadate is very much possible. I think depending on how things go in the future if I find a girl I like a lot and she is receptive I'll try to do an instadate at least once a day. This is good not only for that specific girl, but it'll give time for some people already in the mall to leave and new people to come in.

#3 from today kept saying she is from my city (in America) when I asked where she was from. She said that like 3 times. She obviously had a thick Mandarin accent and didn't understand English extremely well. WTF?

#7 from today was Russian. I tend to like all races as far as women go, but I don't go crazy over Eastern Europeans like some guys do (not saying I don't like them, they are just equal in my book to other races). This girl was physically damn near PERFECT. I won't even consider marriage anytime soon, but this is a girl I'd bring home to mom and wife up and wouldn't regret it as far as looks go. I was planning to learn Russian late into a decade from now, but I seriously might have to push that forward.

#8 Basically wearing booty short jeans. I could literally see her ass meat hanging out of the bottom of her shorts. So damn hot.

#10 Huge butt, which I absolutely love.

Post: #11

5/7/2017

So I went to a different mall, and I arrived about 40 minutes before closing time. It seems like this mall certainly has potential and it is a bit closer to my place than the mall I went to yesterday, but I think I'll stick to the previous mall unless I have no choice for several reasons. The previous mall is the main one in the city and you can feel it. The one I went to is as far as I know the second best in the city, but for some reason it felt "provincial". That probably isn't the best way to describe it, but it's the word that came to mind. Lots of blowout today as well, although none of them were particularly harsh. But it was probably half blowouts and half nice conversations that didn't end up in a number close.

1. 286. African-American 20's. Mall. 6. "IHABF".
2. 286. Vietnamese early 30's. Mall. 6. Little English, "No".
3. 286. White-American 20's. Mall. 6.5. Blowout.
4. 286. Iraqi 20's. Mall. 7-7.5. Little English, blowout.
5. 286. Puerto Rican-American 20's. Grocery Store. 7. Married.
6. 286. White-American 20's. Grocery Store. 7. Married.
7. 286. African-American or Latina 20's. Grocery Store. 7. Married.
8. 286. Blonde-American 20's. Grocery Store. 8. Number Closed.

Style of Game: I am still pretty direct, but I can get a conversation started and continue it with relative ease right now. The blowouts that are happening are either because of my weight, which I don't think is the case, or more likely they would blowout anyone who approached them.

Thoughts: I got to the mall right before closing time, so that might have effected things. At this point I now feel pretty comfortable with 2+ sets in the mall. My approach anxiety is getting comically low. Before in a grocery store I would only approach one girl for fear of her or someone else seeing me. Today as soon as I got rejected by one and she turned the other way I walked 10 feet and approached another.

#2 I am able to get Vietnamese women talking to me by being indirect and mentioning that I am going to Ho Chi Minh City and what I learned from the forum about that city. The trouble is I still can't even get them on a date, let alone get the flag. The second Vietnamese number I got isn't responding to my texts. She had mentioned that she was going into finals and would be flying to Vietnam, but I'm not sure either way if she isn't feeling me or if she's legit busy. I sent out a feeler text which she didn't respond to. I'll try again after she gets back and otherwise chalk it up to the game. The first VN number I got was very responsive, but she has kids so I decided not to text over the weekend.

#8 If you are blonde, blue eyed, and thin with a bit of a bubble butt type girls you might consider this one an 8.5 or maybe 9. If you are used to All American blondes she might not be that amazing to you, but I really liked her look.

Post: #12

I know I said I'd do an update today on the numbers I contacted, but I might not get to it in which case I'll post it tomorrow.

Post: #13

Looks good, seems like you're getting a fair amount of numbers.
How's the turnover looking for you in terms of dates and bangs?

Post: #14

5/8/2017

1. 286. Venezuelan 20’s. Park. 6.5. Not single.
2. 286. African-American 20's. Park. 7. Very nice, I ejected early for no reason.
3. 286. Venezuelan 20's. Grocery Store. 6.5. Very nice, married.
4. 286. Thai 30's. Grocery Store. 6.5. Very friendly, but "no".
5. 286. Ghanaian 30's. Grocery Store. 6. Very friendly, married.
6. 286. African-American 21. Grocery Store. 6. Number Closed.
7. 286. Dominican early 40's. Grocery Store. 6 face 7.5 body. Number Closed.
8. 286. Unknown Latina 20's. Grocery Store. 7-7.5. Kind of blowout, married.
9. 286. Ghanaian 30's. Grocery Store. 6.5. Very nice, married.
10. 286. Gabonese 20's. Grocery Store. 7. Number Closed.
11. 286. White-American 20's. Grocery Store. 8.5. Married.


Style of Game: At this point I have very little fear in almost all day game scenarios. Girl walking in front of me, check. Girl walking the opposite way, check. Two set, check. Gaming one girl in one aisle and immediately another one in the next aisle, check. I am able to converse very well and I'm becoming friendlier with not only women, but also men.

Thoughts: One of my main thoughts is that I think it would be somewhat to my advantage to not go to grocery stores in terrible clothes. If I wear more decent clothes it might give a .5 boost to my current SMV. I used to feel bad after blowouts or sometimes even after rejections. At this point I am finally realizing it isn't always that the girl is rejecting ME, although I'm sure it is partly or even mostly that. Sometimes girls just going about their day aren't available or looking to get with a random guy, no matter how good or bad my game and SMV may be. I still do think that by the time I'm in the low 200's I will get much better results. I have very little approach anxiety now in pretty much any possible day time scenario you can imagine.

Also I forgot to add that at this point I don't shake when I pull out my phone and take a girls number like I sometimes did in the past. I literally don't even care and just hand them my phone to do it themselves.

#2 I could easily have kept the conversation going. This was actually a two set, and one of the girls explicitly tried to get her friend to play along with my approach. This was one of the few approaches where I was a bit nervous recently, and it was probably because it was one of the handful of times I've approached at a park. As I stated above, I ejected way too early, even if I wouldn't have got the number I could easily have befriended them.

#4 First Thai woman I've ever met in my life as far as I know. For some reason ever since I planned to go to SEA and did research I keep noticing women from there more. I guess that is just how the mind and the world work.

#5 and #9 Were the first Ghanaians I've ever met, and they both happened in separate locations and on the same day. Very nice women.

#6 Nigerian parents, born here.

#10 First Gabonese I have ever met. I honestly didn't even know that country existed. My intuition tells me she is a sure thing because she seemed genuinely happy that I talked to her and there was absolutely no resistance.

Post: #15

(05-08-2017 03:28 PM)Investment Bro Wrote:  Looks good, seems like you're getting a fair amount of numbers.
How's the turnover looking for you in terms of dates and bangs?

Hey man, thanks for checking out this thread and participating, it is motivating for me. I was originally planning to write a report of where my numbers have led every Sunday, but that whole process will take too much time.

So before I answer your question let me say this. In the past I used to push for a quick date, and I would rush and pressure the girl for sex. I don't know if it is because I'm getting older, the experience of seeing my friend succeed by being calmer, or because this forum has got my mind growing about game, but now I am deciding to take things slower.

I am sort of using the Zero Date Bang approach where I let the interaction grow without rushing for a date. For that reason in these two or so weeks I have not had a date yet.

The first number I got was answering me very sporadically, and after we both agreed to go on a date without a set day but soon, she went radio silent.

I have two other dates set up with different women both for Thursday. I am also in the process of setting up more dates, and today will be the day that I contact the girls from my first day at the mall, which was on Saturday.

I will update the results from the numbers once I actually get at least one date, but I think anything less then that would be pointless.

I will say though that every girl I've gotten a number from and actually contacted so far except one has answered.

Post: #16

Any update Stacks?

Seems like you were doing well last month. and hows the weight loss going?

Post: #17

^ Seems he's away, as reflected on his signature.
This is a refreshing game log. It's interesting how he can game (and maybe bang) different nationalities in such a small radius. Judging by his avatar, there's no guessing what OP is looking for.