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Huge problem: Isolating girls, but not closing
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Huge problem: Isolating girls, but not closing
Ok, so this seems to be a general pattern now. Over the last several months, I had a string of girls who I pulled home on 1st / 2nd date, (either from daygame or Tinder). I make conversation, make out, escalate...and encounter resistance sooner or later. Eventually they leave, and I don't see them again. They either flake for the future date, just vanish, or say something like "I believe we are looking for different things".

I tried different escalation approaches when I encounter resistance:

1. Pulling back, chilling for a bit and the escalating again
2. Trying to convey my views on sex, that I won't judge them, everyone liked pleasure etc

Both methods don't work. I should note that this is persistently the case with HOTTER girls, more average ones I fuck with little, if any, resistance - but why even bother with them in the first place. I am not sure what I can change here. A couple of thing spring to mind:

1. She is attracted physically to me, but not enough (hence the reason why I easily fuck less attractive girls, who know I am out of their league).
2. I am not masculine enough in my interaction. By this I mean not direct / dominant enough to turn them on and have them give in to me; maybe I come more across as a romantic gentle guy rather than a hardcore sexual guy. I suppose the hotter the chick, the more dominant guy she generally wants, right?

I suspect it's the 2nd one. An example. I pulled a chick home from a first date today. Encountered very minor resistance when taking her home already. I made out with her a few times, got touchy feely with her despite some resistance from her. Eventually she got up and walked out of my apartment. In the corridor, I teased her a bit, then escalated once more, grabbed her, turned her around and pulled her ass into my crotch area, while nibbling on her ear. "This is exciting me" she said...but then still prevented me from taking it further. When walking out of my building, I escalated again. Again, she said "this is exciting", to which I replied something like "yeah, we'd better turn back to continue then". She answered "I can take care of the excitement on my own when I get home..." Then she shut down my further escalation, and left.

So what could I have done there? Been more dominant / sexual from the start?

I should note that as far as I remember, virtually all girls with a few exceptions, who I fucked QUICKLY were the ones that were totally compliant with my actions from start to finish. I'd get virtually no resistance from them whatsoever whenever escalating / changing venue, and so on.
(This post was last modified: 05-08-2017 06:08 PM by Russian Immigrant.)
05-08-2017 05:43 PM
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RE: Huge problem: Isolating girls, but not closing
You're banging a certain subset of women without any resistance; which indicates that you're calibration with that group is spot on. By your own admission, these are lower SMV women than you.

The example you gave with the chick you pulled home is a good case study. You mention moving on her, making out with her, and generally getting touchy feely. However, what I noticed you didn't mention is any degree of reciprocation. That says to me that she either was nervous, or wasn't very interested. Either way, going direct isn't the solution here. So, what you've got to do is discern if it's just nerves, or if she's just wasting your time. Pay attention to her body language. If you make eye contact with her and she looks down, then back at you? That's good. That's a submissive behavior. Look for similar signs of submission. If you see the submission, work her over slowly. Don't caveman on her. Massages work really well. Keep it slow, and sensual, and you'll have no problem defusing the nerves of your next conquest.

That said, what can you do differently? That chick you pulled was definitely wasting your time. If she gives resistance? Back off, and pay attention to what she's doing. If she doesn't move to engage with you, try again. I only do this twice. A woman should be earning you, not the other way around.If you're met with resistance twice? Shrug your shoulders, and tell her that while you had fun, you've got stuff to do. Give her the boot afterwards. Now in your case, what she did, not what she said was important. She left, even though she said she was excited. She gave resistance, walked out into the hall, and left your place. If she really was excited, the results would be more akin to what you have come to expect from the girls you've fucked quickly.

Your best friend is watching what she does. Don't waste your time on girls that aren't interested in you.

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05-08-2017 10:24 PM
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RE: Huge problem: Isolating girls, but not closing
You're probably going too fast. I know that this forum and PUA in general pushes very hard for instant gratification: all or nothing scenarios where you either get the bang the same day, same hour if possible Smile or forget about it.

Have you tried going on at least 2 dates before suggesting a meet-up at your place ? Also, you didn't mention what kind of girls are you pulling. Being dominant probably works well with girls from South America while in Eastern Europe girls might think you're too pushy as the culture is different and girls need more comfort.
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05-09-2017 07:28 AM
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RE: Huge problem: Isolating girls, but not closing
Are you giving these girls any impression at all that they are higher SMV? Or, at least, you think they are?

First step is to eliminate that thought from your brain. Make her feel like she is the lucky one to be spending time with you.

Treat that 8 like you would a 4.

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05-09-2017 08:29 AM
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RE: Huge problem: Isolating girls, but not closing
Brother this is not a problem you have. That girl who claimed you are exciting her is mental case and you should of told her to leave your place asap. What she told you she can take care of the excitement herself is down right rude and you should take your balls to another girl worth your time.
05-09-2017 08:36 AM
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