Post: #1

Guys, it's a serious thread. May be some of you think, I am trolling, but I am not.

I am 32 years old, with steady job, reasonable income and savings. From last few months, the desire of having a child is always in my mind. But this desire is getting strong day by day. But problem is I don't want to get married for sake of having a child.

The options I am thinking is to go EE again in small villages and towns and find some girl. Then make a contract with her that I will give you 20k-30K AUD if she give a birth to my child. But as soon there will be child, she will have no contact with the child. So in short I am offering money to give child. I think 20k-30k in small villages will be good money for some families I should be able to find some girls willing to do this.

How solid is this plan? Is raising a child with the help of nannies is really difficult or it's doable? What will be the negative consequences?

Post: #2

It's certainly doable but I wouldn't say that it's a good idea. Honestly, your plan sounds quite stupid to me.

Michael Jackson did basically that.

Cristiano Ronaldo accidentally got a random one night stand in Manchester pregnant then paid her to to never see the baby again and gave it to his mother (who lived with him) to raise.

Why do you not want the baby to have a mother? Because you don't want to settle down with one woman? The negative consequence is that the child will not grow up being as well rounded, stable and emotionally sound as they would be if they had a mother.

Surely a better life plan for you right now would be to get your work in order that you can travel to places where you think you'd want the mother of your child to come from and have relationships with the women until you find a girl that you genuinely want to be an actual mother of your child and raise a child with you.

During that process, you may realise that you definitely don't want to settle down and have a child yet and that's absolutely fine too. In that case, it's probably best to just wait a few years until you want to have a child with a functioning family than it is to buy a baby now.

Another idea that isn't going to hurt anyone, has a similar positive outcome and would do a lot of good for the world would be to adopt a child from an orphanage or something like that who has already been born but is destined for a shitty life.

Post: #3

For starters, I tend to think that this should be moved to Everything Else forum. To your question. It is doable and they are called surrogates who give birth to your child. This is a common thing in the gay community and there are agencies for it. You will most likely have several uncomfortable discussions with you child concerning the lack of a physical mother in their life, as well as the usual uncomfortable discussions. Unless you are really making very good money, your child will not be raised by you, but by daycare and public school. Likewise ask yourself, how many girls can you bring home with a toddler bouncing around the house? I know that you feel the need for a child in your life, but also ask this, what can you do now with your child that you cant do when you are 42, assuming that you are in peak health and semi-retired. Think on those before you do this. I have to ask though, why Eastern Europe? I am sure that you can find someone more local as a surrogate.

My advise to you is to wait, develop your career and bankroll, and volunteer at a place like Big Brothers.

Post: #4

(05-30-2017 05:23 PM)the-dream Wrote:  Why do you not want the baby to have a mother? Because you don't want to settle down with one woman? The negative consequence is that the child will not grow up being as well rounded, stable and emotionally sound as they would be if they had a mother.

It could be worse, they could be born to a single mother.

Post: #5

32 year olds getting obsessed with babies is perfectly natural. Its your bodies way of telling you to find a nice guy and settle down with him.

Wait - what? You say you are a man? Then this is a terrible idea. Perhaps the worst idea in the history of ideas.

Post: #6

OP, can you please do this and post a data sheet.

There may be some players out here that may want to hedge against divorce costs with this idea .

Post: #7

(05-30-2017 06:30 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

OP, can you please do this and post a data sheet.

There may be some players out here that may want to hedge against divorce costs with this idea .

Is it not natural desire to pass your genes to your offsprings, and then raise them passing your knowledge, skills and wisdom?

Only thing I don't want to get married is because of all feminism and related things.

Post: #8

(05-30-2017 06:36 PM)Alick Wrote:  

(05-30-2017 06:30 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

OP, can you please do this and post a data sheet.

There may be some players out here that may want to hedge against divorce costs with this idea .

Is it not natural desire to pass your genes to your offsprings, and then raise them passing your knowledge, skills and wisdom?

Only thing I don't want to get married is because of all feminism and related things.

Sure.....

I have 3 kids, who I will continue passing my knowledge, skills and wisdom to.

They also have strong mother who does the same but in a much different way than I do. So they will be wholesome productive members of society. If I take this away from them, they would miss out on at least 50% of their development especially early in their age which is extremely crucial and a very key time for a mother to be present. You can replace that with a nanny at your own risk.

Sure, life is challenging but nothing worth having in the end is easy.

My point: pick your poison my friend. It's not black and white!

Post: #9

OP, what's you income bracket and how mobile are you with regards to employment options?

Post: #10

I think you have it a bit backwards here. Its doable for sure, but not advisable.

El Mech on here raises his kid and works like a Greek and manages quite well. But in the 20 sentences I have read, you are no El Mech.

In theory I could raise my kid myself, but in reality he is far better off being raised by a mother and a father. This is not even debatable.

Post: #11

A kid needs a mother and a father. Creating a new single mom (and sacrificing her chances of ever getting married) is anti-society.

No matter how great of a father you can be, a kid needs a mother and a father. If the "settling down" part scares you, don't forget that you can have a good virgin wife but still have a mistress on the side.

Post: #12

It is irresponsible to bring a child into this world without a stable home and a loving mother and father.

Post: #13

I agree with the posters thay say you would risk to create an imbalanced individual.
Again, one of the things that have led many to discover the RP is that there is a general imbalance in what should be a complimentary relation between the two genders which in turn has led many a PUA such as the Roosh man himself to dwell on such an imbalance and thus to analyze the given social weaving.
The children of single parents, whether unmarried or divorced are much more likely to turn out imbalanced and incomplete individuals from what most analysis has shown.

Post: #14

Don't do it.

Post: #15

Thanks guys for feedback. Though almost all posts suggest not to have child in this way. The best answer I like is from @cobra to pick poison carefully. I understand all the logics given by you guys not to raise a child without mother. I will think on this. I have to visit EE in October for this purpose. May be my mind will be changed by then and I start feeling differently. But right now the desire to have a child is really strong.

Post: #16

First of all 20-30.000$ is not that much money for a child unless you pick a Romanian Gypsy.

There may be some women who are willing to go for that kind of arrangement, but they will be low class.

Also women get second thoughts about those kind of arrangements and there are a myriad of legal reasons why this may flounder or she may change her mind later on. Christiano Ronaldo managed this, but his stuff was likely hammered out by a team of lawyers that cost him 30.000$ just to deal with the legal issue. Also he likely paid plenty for that woman to part completely with her child.

Your budget plan of fucking an Eastern European girl repeatedly, then taking away her child for 20.000$ is ridiculous. Most hot girls can make 40.000$ in countries like Poland working jobs which use her look. The villages of Eastern Europe are not the villages of India. 80%+ of village girls in EE go and study and have a 30% higher IQ than the low-IQ tribes of rural India which are still sometimes found sacrificing girls for example for such noble pursuits as to find a lost mobile phone: http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2...33863.html

But even if we assume that you are much more well-off than you are - you clearly have not enough Game and Red Pill awareness to understand the psychological clusterfuck that you are unleashing if you actually pull it off. And I seriously doubt you will be able to pull it off in EE barring a Gypsy or a drug-addicted psycho-bitch, but then your child may come out brain damaged.

Post: #17

Good luck.I have a mate who did it as his wife could not concieve .It cost him over 100k I think.

He said the Ukraine is the go but watch out for organised crime getting invovled.

32 is not old bro it's not like your eggs are drying up.

Get a chick first.It ain't all beer and skittles a single father has zero time.

Post: #18

Become a sperm donor. Ok you won't meet the child ( if at all) until they become an adult. But it won't cost you anything in child support and you will pass on your genes.

And you will be helping some chap who's swimmers don't work properly.

The down side is that you won't have any choice in the quality of the mother.

Post: #19

Hi Cobra,

I am not sure if you have written about this in any of the earlier threads. In your experience what would you consider the characteristics of a strong mother . In the section process would personal traits of the individual be more important than differences in family , cultural and social back grounds ? I would be really interested in knowing your thoughts about this.

Post: #20

OP have you considered adopting? You might be shocked to find that there are large numbers of young, healthy infants looking for adoptive parents who's natural parents are not suitable to raise them for whatever reason.

You'd be giving a child that already exists a good chance in life while doing your bit for society by easing the pressure on social services.

Post: #21

(06-01-2017 03:30 AM)Green-On-GO Wrote:  Good luck.I have a mate who did it as his wife could not concieve .It cost him over 100k I think.

He said the Ukraine is the go but watch out for organised crime getting invovled.

32 is not old bro it's not like your eggs are drying up.

Get a chick first.It ain't all beer and skittles a single father has zero time.

100k?

Jesus, man, for that much money you can get several new wives and as many children as you want in some countries!

I suppose it makes sense in a way if a divorce would have cost him more...