Post: #1

[delete by request]

Post: #2

If you want to get bangs off day and night game probably deleting apps and online accounts is the only way to go (at least for a few months). Otherwise, once the going gets tough, you'll keep reverting and perusing the apps and not seriously improving your skills to bang them in "real world".

You'll bang fewer on average but a higher quality. Also, girl will perceive you completely different than every other online schmuck who's got "guts" to swipe or message them. Also, the self-respect to pull a girl off in daytime will bring immense pride and self-respect. And if you manage a SDL with a hot girl, you'll join a club of 1/10000 man who've done it. My two cents...

Post: #3

Thanks for sharing your story bro. It's exciting to hear how you things around and now you are becoming secure in who you are as a man. It's my firm opinion that you it's not until you are rock solid in who you are as a person, and honest with your strengths and shortcomings, that you will flourish in the Game and more importantly in life in general.

You got the playfulness and push/pull dynamic down pat in your rap, plus you're starting to have develop boundaries and expectations which is important. There's a million ways to get a chick on your level and in your bed, but you have to also realize when she's not investing in the interaction and know when to withdraw and move on to better prospects. If better quality is what you want try expanding your horizons by signing up for social events that will place you squarely in the proximity of the kind of women you desire. Even something as simple venturing out of your normal stomping grounds to newer hangouts to see what the vibe is like.

I'm of the belief that even in a mid-size city, you don't necessarily have to move out to find what you want, just have to hunt smarter.

Post: #4

Keep up the good posts main!

Post: #5

Deleted all my old text logs and dead leads. Deactivated all of my online dating accounts.

There goes the training wheels. I have a feeling it's going to be a long couple months ahead of me but I sincerely believe I will be better for it and come out ahead in the end. Over the summer I'm going to work on getting good pictures for an IG account and stacking paper. I'm going to aim for 2 approaches a day 6 days a week. I can't justify going out at night very much because I'm cheap and personally don't like night game so it will be day game. I've come to enjoy talking to people during the day quite a bit so it seems like a natural extension of that joy.

I've been working a lot and rocking the same threads for about a year now. Depending on how this week goes I'm gonna go see if I can cop some jays and a few good pairs of jeans, should probably get my teeth cleaned too.

Here we go fellas, not fucking around anymore.

There's a cute latina 19 yo girl (modest 6) that's really shy and from what I can tell pretty innocent. I tell her she's beautiful once in a while in a few direct ways and she always blushes. IE "has anyone told you you're beautiful today" -> "no" -> "I can't believe that, you're lying" -> "haha no I'm not" -> [change subject], stuff like that. Sometimes she even goes out of her way to converse with me. The place she works is one of the places in town where I have a really good rep for being a solid dude and it's in my neighborhood. It's a little spanish market across from my house Owner of the store knows me by name, watch specialist and I exchange business connections, other checker girl and I genuinely enjoy eachother's company and tend to talk for 10-20 minutes after transactions complete and it feels right and not forced at all. Started talking to the other checker girl (28 y.o 7/10, for some reason I don't really find too attractive but my friends swear she's an 8). She says cute little latina girl in question is extremely shy and never even talks to anyone at all, is a church girl, has horrible memory for customers and all this other stuff that is completely opposite to my experience. I'm kind of tripping and suspect I'm being played or something cuz that doesn't sound right. I then talked with a friend who frequents the same market and he says the exact same thing. Girl never remembers him, never says more than what's required by her job, and is even borderline rude. This dude goes there more than I do, at least once a day. I came in a little drunk one day and told 28 year old checker girl to tell cute 19 year old latina girl I love her when buying beer. She promised she would. Talked to her again today and after a little conversation she mentioned randomly she forgot to tell her but she would be in in a few hours and would do so. Love is a strong word I'm not taking it too seriously but it's pretty out of character for me to do stuff like that.

I don't know what to do. I adore this 19 year old I really do but there's no way I'm catching her outside of work and the church girl thing intimidates me a bit. I couldn't deduce her denomination. I guess I'll just start out with some light conversation and get more direct with her when I see her next. Trying not to pedestalize her but damn I think she's adorable and my odds look good. I've probably brought around 7-9 girls that I was banging to that spanish market over the past year and a good half of the time cute 19 year old spanish girl has been there. I'm hoping I can coast on social proof and status and catch her on a day where my tongue is sharp and she's in a good mood and go from there.

It's also worth noting that my attraction to this girl is not completely sexual in nature which weird me out even more. Like yeah I would tear that 19 year old latina ass up no questions asked but I actually want to like get to know her and see if her attitude/personality matches what I think it might be. It's been a long time since I've taken a genuine interest in a girl at all. It's kind of just weirding me out at this point and anyone reading this can tell I'm thinking too much about 1 girl who I only have a very surface knowledge of.

Post: #6

Made a few pretty weak approaches today. Just experimenting with direct approaches

Goes like this

"Hey, has anyone told you you're beautiful today"?

If the chick says no I say "no way, I can't be the first?". If they say yes I say "so you know i'm not wrong". Then they thank me or whatever and I jump off from there and start rambling about my day or the weather or whatever trying to make them a little more comfortable and then ask a question about their day or whatever. Convo goes dead after that every time. I need to re-read day bang I'm surprised how awful I am at this. I swear it was a lot better earlier in the year when I was practicing more often.

I'm not trying to be so formulaic I just keep hoping that they'll give me some conversational tidbit to work with and they don't. Which is obviously because I haven't made them comfortable enough to talk to me.

I have a hard time doing indirect I think I'll work on that in the coming week. Need to loosen up my body language and be more casual and less intense.

Post: #7

(06-18-2017 04:07 AM)Eugenics Wrote:  Deleted all my old text logs and dead leads. Deactivated all of my online dating accounts.

Post: #8

(06-21-2017 04:39 AM)Eugenics Wrote:  Made a few pretty weak approaches today. Just experimenting with direct approaches

Goes like this

"Hey, has anyone told you you're beautiful today"?

This can work from a position of Zero Fuck Given and über-confidence and entitlement but not easy to communicate it non-verbally. Also, a girl may not notice it and will take you for granted as another chode trying to qualify himself to her from the get-go. It is too strong a pull. For example, you could try:

"Hey, I can't help but notice you're wearing a very interesting outfit."

Somewhat a pull but not as clear-cut. If she says "thank you" you can re-frame and say "I didn't mean it as a compliment", then explain what you meant. Pick something incongruent in her appearance: "What I mean is that I like your jacket and your shoes, but these trousers are no-no." There's a big difference between saying: "You look pretty" and "I like the way you look". The former is generic, you hoping she'll like you for being complimented, the latter is that she made first pull by dressing nice and you qualified her by acknowledging the fact.

Also have a look at London Daygame Model.

Post: #9

(06-21-2017 05:20 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 04:39 AM)Eugenics Wrote:  Made a few pretty weak approaches today. Just experimenting with direct approaches

Goes like this

"Hey, has anyone told you you're beautiful today"?

This can work from a position of Zero Fuck Given and über-confidence and entitlement but not easy to communicate it non-verbally. Also, a girl may not notice it and will take you for granted as another chode trying to qualify himself to her from the get-go. It is too strong a pull. For example, you could try:

"Hey, I can't help but notice you're wearing a very interesting outfit."

Somewhat a pull but not as clear-cut. If she says "thank you" you can re-frame and say "I didn't mean it as a compliment", then explain what you meant. Pick something incongruent in her appearance: "What I mean is that I like your jacket and your shoes, but these trousers are no-no." There's a big difference between saying: "You look pretty" and "I like the way you look". The former is generic, you hoping she'll like you for being complimented, the latter is that she made first pull by dressing nice and you qualified her by acknowledging the fact.

Also have a look at London Daygame Model.

I tend to not give any fucks until after the interaction and even that is fleeting. Confidence on lock, but I don't understand what you mean by entitlement.

I have a bunch of errands to run tomorrow I'm going to try that opener and report back.

Will also read about London day game model. Thansks for the advice player

Post: #10

(06-21-2017 11:11 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 05:20 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 04:39 AM)Eugenics Wrote:  Made a few pretty weak approaches today. Just experimenting with direct approaches

Goes like this

"Hey, has anyone told you you're beautiful today"?

This can work from a position of Zero Fuck Given and über-confidence and entitlement but not easy to communicate it non-verbally. Also, a girl may not notice it and will take you for granted as another chode trying to qualify himself to her from the get-go. It is too strong a pull. For example, you could try:

"Hey, I can't help but notice you're wearing a very interesting outfit."

Somewhat a pull but not as clear-cut. If she says "thank you" you can re-frame and say "I didn't mean it as a compliment", then explain what you meant. Pick something incongruent in her appearance: "What I mean is that I like your jacket and your shoes, but these trousers are no-no." There's a big difference between saying: "You look pretty" and "I like the way you look". The former is generic, you hoping she'll like you for being complimented, the latter is that she made first pull by dressing nice and you qualified her by acknowledging the fact.

Also have a look at London Daygame Model.

I tend to not give any fucks until after the interaction and even that is fleeting. Confidence on lock, but I don't understand what you mean by entitlement.

I have a bunch of errands to run tomorrow I'm going to try that opener and report back.

Will also read about London day game model. Thanks for the advice player

Many women, especially attractive, feel entitled to free entry to a bar. it's a given. But most men don't feel entitled to have young, attractive girls on their arm.

Post: #11

Thanks for that. I generally hate entitled people but it makes sense. I'll try to calibrate that.

Hit on a delivery girl that was delivering parts to our shop at work. Got blown the fuck out. Asked her name, told her mine. Went direct after we got outside and said "I think you're beautiful let me get your number". She's like "uhhh, I'm working?" in kind of a fucked up tone and I was like "I'm on the clock right now, here take mine in case you change your mind" and gave her a wink. She was just like "nah" and got in her car. My bosses got on my ass for it but then said they don't really give a shit just don't be so direct with associated businesses, they know a little game themselves so it's all good but that was the most embarrassed I've been in a while. Bitch was a chubby 6 at best. Was mad until...

Headed out of town on a work trip and hit up a girl I was banging a few months ago cuz she was on the way. Stopped by, met her mother, took her to the river and we banged twice in the bed of my work truck outside. Her mom was Baaaaaad AF though. I could tell she ain't get no dick in a minute cuz she has like 4 fucking kids 2-19. Way hotter than her daughter. I was plotting I was plotting but no sir, couldn't pull it off. I made sure to fuck the girl like a crazy motherfucker give her multiple orgasms and send her home smelling like me and sex. She sleeps in the same room as her mother and with a little luck she'll dish on how good the dick was. And if the stars align one day I can get the mother daughter flag. A player can dream.

Not approaching enough and I'm not meeting my goals. Gotta work on it.

Post: #12

I'm struggling with inner game stuff right now. One big thing I can honestly say that finally made sense to me recently was congruence; congruence in your thoughts actions and behaviour. The way the world sees you and the way you see yourself. The closer I bring these things together in my mind and gauge people's reactions the better. I will even go as far to say as on average you cannot blame the observer for observing and acting accordingly. If I receive a reaction that is unfavorable it's my responsibility to correct that in the future as long as it is a reoccurring thing. Either adapt to how I'm perceived or change other's perception. It's a lot of responsibility but it's part of being the man you want to be. More later I'm a little drunk.

Post: #13

Saw cute latina girl today when me and my boy were picking up a few beers. Started the conversation by saying "so [name] says you're a church girl"-

her - "yeah I go to church"
me - "what denomination"?
her - "Christian" - (I don't think english this girls first language but she speaks pretty well)
me - "haha i figured but I meant what kind"?
her - "Baptist, I think"
me -"You think? haha you know for sure"
her - "Baptist"
me -"So are you really religious?"
her - "not really, kind of medium, I believe in god. Do you believe in god"?
me -"no, not really"
her - "why not"?
me -"I don't know, I'm just not really sure about it. What do you do when you're not working or at church"?
her - "I go out with my family [she laughs and looks embarassed like that's lame or something]. Sometimes my friends"
me -"That's cool. We should have lunch some time, I think you'd be cool, I want to get to know you better"
[we have some pretty intense eye contact, the vibe was good. She looks a little embarrassed and starts blushing. Kind of looks at me like are you serious?] -
her - "I'll think about it"
"me -alright well you think about it, you want my number"?
[more eye contact, she's blushing and kind of doesn't know what to say and just staring at me, again with the "are you serious" kind of look. I raise my eyebrows a little bit as my my way of communicating I am serious. This whole time completely ignoring my friend while she's scanning his beer]
her - "Don't you have a girlfriend"?
me -"No, I don't have a girlfriend. What made you think that"?
her - "that girl that you always come in here with"?
me - "that must have been a while ago"
[my friend cracks a joke and says one of my best (male) friend's name. We laugh for a second]
me - "Yeah this is my girlfriend" [pat the shoulder of my friend that's with me, she laughs]"
me - "So think about it. I think you would be cool and just want to get to know you".
[she kind of just looks at me, this time I'm not really sure what the look was]
me - "Have a good night"
her - "you too"!


So I'm not really sure how that went, my boy that was with me said that was the best game he's ever seen me spit but I'm unsure. On paper it sure doesn't look great, I think the body language was pretty good though. And I kind of forgot everything I know about game and was just being honest and sincere. I have talked to her coworker a little bit about her. Coworker says she's really shy, kind of forgetful, never really talks with anyone. I would not be surprised if this girl is a virgin or close to it. Normally I would be completely discouraged by "I'll think about it" but for some reason I am not, I'm kind of enamored by her to be honest and I can tell that's going to work against me. I also don't know what to do about follow up. This girl works at a store directly across the street from my house and I'll probably see her all the time. She has worked there for a year or so and we have had surface interactions a lot, sometimes flirty and sometimes not. I don't like hitting on girls that are in service and working but what I said was innocent enough.

The fact she thought I already had a girlfriend would be a good sign on any other girl I feel like, I have mixed feelings about it - like she was disqualifying me, but she may have actually been qualifying me? The eye contact was good. Her body language was pretty open. She actually asked me a few questions showing a little bit of interest in me which sounds good (especially if I'm to believe she almost never talks to anyone and is very shy, which has been confirmed by two friends and a coworker at this point). My gut is telling me with the right move I could pull her but I have no idea what that might be at this point. I get the feeling she's a very traditional spanish girl something which I have no experience with at all. Might have to do some reading.

This coming week I have some business to do with a jewelry/watch dude that works inside the store (making him a website) and hopefully I can show my rep is good and I have some status. Don't know how to play this at all. Thinking too much about it. If anyone could give me some advice on this one I would be extremely thankful, especially concerning traditional mexican and south american culture - cuz I have no idea. With white christian girls you may have to ask their parents to see them or whatever or meet their parents very early at least, sometimes they even insist on something chaperoned, I don't know though I've never done that this is just what I have heard.


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I sent the girl I banged on Thursday a text - "back home safe, hope your court stuff went well and I didn't get you in too much trouble" (kept her out a little late and it seemed like her mom was trying to prevent it). No reply. Sent her mom a text because she had asked me about cool places in [my state] to see and I just sent her a text that named a few, no reply either. I'm kind of worried I may have fucked up by passing through, banging her, and leaving all with her mother's knowledge. There were some kind of fucked up interactions that happened. I don't feel like writing them all out but I was trying really hard to get this girl to spend the night with me in my work truck bed camper. She doesn't have a phone and while I was buying some blankets and stuff I had her contact her mom, her mom was saying stuff like "so and so needs you to do this" and trying to prevent it. So I gave her a call myself and talked it out with her mother (against the girls wishes). Her tone seemed sincere but I eventually got her to agree with her daughter spending the night with me. The girl insisted her mother was being disingenuous and would be mad at her. I didn't think so, but I sent her inside when we got back to her house to go talk to her mother just to make sure everyone was on the same page. Her living situation is kind of fucked up (doing work trade for some russians that own an auto body shop to stay in the 2 room apartment style part of the shop) so her mother texted me "stay inside your car" and I did. I texted back insisting if I'm rocking the boat or stressing anyone out I can just leave. Her mother insisted that I stay and it was all good. So girl comes out I tell her I feel weird and I should just go. She insisted I stayed, we talked it out, cuddled for a while and I banged her, cuddled a little more and sent her inside at 1AM. My gut feeling says something was off and I tried to figure it out but the only obvious thing I can think of is her mother was very skilled at being passive agressive in a feminine style and appearing genuine when she is not being. I can usually spot these things a mile away but this one I can't call.

I guess if I don't hear from girl or her mother I will assume I fucked up by being too pushy, banged mother's daughter and she's not happy about it and told daughter to not contact me again. This is a girl I've been seeing fairly consistently for 2 months for the info of anyone reading. Fucked probably 20 times already. She recently moved a few hours south of me and I had the opportunity to travel for work and that's why all this went down.

Post: #14

Couple good opens today.

Saw a kind of bashed up brunette at a local market while buying some beer with my friend. Friend was taking forever to decide on beer. I see girl walk up and down the isle. She looks like a little bit of a hoe, dark makeup and a brunette which is just my thing. The kind of girl you can abuse sexually and well lets just say I have had run ins with her type before.

I say "hey, excuse me are you from [my state]?". She says "yeah" and looks a little tired. I say "i'm not from here what beer is good"?. She says "well what do you like"? And I say "I like IPAs but zi'm not looking for anything too heavy" (lie with a double meaning. I am from here but I am not looking for anything serious). [She points at a good beer I know well]. I say "what are you getting"?.[she shows me a shitty domestic and looks embarrassed]. And says "i had a rough night last night". At this point I am totally uninterested, fuck this slut, she told me she was a hoe, fuck hoes. I say "for sure, thank you" . And she walks off.

I was turned off by that shit and let her go. My homie asked me why I didn't take that bait and I told him I was put off so hard by that hoeish shit. He told me I could've picked up the bait by asking why she had a long night but I already knew she was probably getting drunk and fucking someone. Subconsciously it turned me off and in the moment I didn't know it. It was only after that I figured that out

After, friend made a comment "normally I'd be embarrassed but you're getting good." So I have good friends and they're noticing but I don't see it. Still can't pull

Post: #15

I'm gonna have to give up on my innocent little Spanish girl across the street. I don't want to, and I don't really give a fuck about how much of a creeper I come off as, or what people think, or want to protect my ego. I legitimately think she's just not interested. I found myself hamsering how she could be maybe interested and just be shy, how she could be a really good girl and never get hit on and I'm just taking her out of her comfort zone, but today's interaction pretty much proved the cold hard truth which I just didn't want to accept. Took hours of introspection to finally call it. I feel like I'm a fucking kid again, like I snorted some blue pill, NAWLT'd like a bitch.

Interaction

I'm doing business with spanish jeweler dude that works in the same store. 7 o'clock meeting. He doesn't speak english very well so we're waiting on his wife to get there to translate. I'm setting up my computer and some notes across his display cases, making what conversation we can despite the language barrier. Cute spanish girl is working and in between checking people out she is doing some mopping and walks over and makes some conversation with watch dude for a sec. I say hello and we exchange some light pleasantries and she goes on her way. I spend about an hour with watch dude and his wife consulting him on how to best go about setting up a website, dictating my involvement, blah blah blah business shit. We're chill as fuck and gives me a downpayment then and there and I pack up and go set my shit in my car.

Come back in to grab a beer and cute spanish girl is scanning shit. Get up to the register.

Me: Hi there
Her: Hi, how was your day?
Me: Haha it was good but you already asked me that [she did earlier, during the light pleasantries]
Her: ohh [she looks a little embarassed and kind of looks away and says nothing]
Me: When is your next day off?
[she stutters, and looks at me] [ I look back just making eye contact]
Her: I'm off Friday
Me: Alright, let me take you to lunch Friday.
Her: [she stutters a little bit, hard to convey in text], I have plans
Me: Are you just saying that to be polite or do you really have plans? it's okay either way
Her: [she looks me directly in the face]. I already made plans
Me: When's your next day off after that
Her: Tuesday
Me: Let me take you to lunch Tuesday, my treat. I'm a good dude ask [watch guy]
Her: I usually help my dad out on Tuesday's, let me check. I'll think about it
Me: What do you do with him?
Her: I help him [pause]... cook
(I saw a lie there, some inconsistency of some kind. I couldn't tell if she was making shit up or there was something she didn't want to tell me. But this is the only time in all of our interactions where I sensed she wasn't being forthright)
Me: How about this; you give me your number and we'll figure your schedule out, don't be shy
Her: [she just looks at me, laughs a little].
Me: You want my number then? Just in case you have to think about it?
Her: I'll think about it
Me: Don't be shy now
Her: [she giggles a little bit]

I've already help up the line enough and there's an old dude right next to me just kind of watching intently. I can tell he knows whatsup and isn't looking disgruntled or anything but I've overstayed a bit and leave. I tried to be as true to myself as possible writing this up. I did not sense any major discomfort or disingenuous behaviour from this girl which is confusing. My rep in the place she works definitely checks out. I've came in there with several girls, my own very dear friends, and do business with someone who works in the same area - which should all be social proof. I clearly showed intent and did so like a man. Didn't half-step or play games at all. Now once again, this is a christian girl and I wouldn't be surprised if she is a virgin but actions speak louder than words. "I'll think about it" is probably this girl's nice way of letting me down; and at the very least it isn't an IOI. A girl that was interested would've expressed some kind of secondary form of interest, even if she wasn't sure. Like "I'd like to but..." or "I don't know you well enough so..." something similar. There's no harm in giving someone your number, and there's even less in taking someone's down and never calling. She seems like a sweet girl that doesn't want to lead me on and that's that.

And in my head I keep wanting to excuse this lack of IOI by thinking "shes probably a virgin. She probably doesn't get hit on. She probably has no experience with men". But I can't let this kind of thinking take me over. I know what I know, virgin or hardened slut a women will express interest if it's warranted; barring the extreme case of social awkwardness which I will not hold out for.

So that's the end of that for me, even now I hold out for someone saying I'm wrong or misreading the situation but that's just my ego reaching.

Post: #16

Sexted a little bit with the girl I was worried abouts mother turning her against me. Sounds like it's all good and she'll be back in town in fall. I'll see if I can keep her spinning till then.

Had a phone call with an older player with good game knowledge and he turned me on to some shit to try with cute spanish girl. Told me just to play it neutral and not ask her out again. Find a reason to pop in once a week or so and wait for a spike in buying temperature, if it happens good if not forget about it.

Having approach anxiety and finding it hard to approach consistently. I get so hung up on lines and how to open without seeming awkward and weird. There were two situations today where I really wish I would have approached and didn't. I always guage interest by eye contact and my general idea is if a girl makes eye contact for a few seconds I should approach, should still approach if not but I know I fucked up if I didn't . Need to remember that throughout out the day.

I gotta say without online shit my game looks like trash. Looking back I'm pretty good with women after the hook. Before that it seems I'm fucking clueless. I've fucked 20 girls since 2017 started, mostly through online. It's amazing to me that without that crutch I've been unable to bag 1 new girl since I quit online stuff. Gotta put in more effort.

Post: #17

Started my day off with an approach, I felt alot better throughout the day because of it.

In line at the bank at opening. Cute 7/10 is waiting in line next to me. I'm pretty G'd out (in a trashy white boy way, black Nike shorts, red nike shoes, black nike wife beater with a red shirt thrown across my shoulder, neatly folded of course) and still waking up but I catch her taking sideways glances at me. Gets the old motor running in my domepiece like "you're gonna regret not talking to this girl, just talk to her. Talking isn't a crime what are you doing. You're sitting there bored and she is too when you could be making conversation with a cute girl. She has already looked at you and is bored as shit. You'll make her day". Had those exact thoughts fam, inner game at work.

The interaction was actually pretty bad though, I mean it was alright but it was just two strangers talking with almost zero sexual charge. I'll put our interaction to text the best I can, I'm a little drunk and it's been 14 hours ago now

Me: This is what we get for being early birds huh
Her: I know I expected it to be open earlier. I got here at 8:30
Me: 8:30!? Don't tell me you've been waiting her for half an hour
Her: No I got some coffee and came back
Me: I'm jealous, I'm still half asleep. On like 10% brain right now.
Her: [she chuckes a little bit]
Me: Any fun plans for the rest of the day?
Her: Just working
Me: Haha me too. I was hoping I could live vicariously through you like you were going to do something adventurous but I'm headed off to work here too. I'm so tired, I haven't had any coffee or tea today
Her: [she chuckles a little bit] - There's that cheap free coffee over there
Me: I'm good on that, where do you work
Her: [gardening store]
Me: Oh is that like a weed gardening store or a regular gardening store
Her: [she laughs a little bit] it's a gardening store, for regular plants.

and I honestly can't remember the rest of the conversation verbatim so I'm just gonna stop there. We talked about where she worked and what she did all day and shit. She didn't really ask any questions about me and after a certain point the conversation just felt forced so I got a little turned off. Didn't see any IOIs. We were talking up until the point where it was time to make a transaction with the bankers and we went our seperate ways. Seemed sexually dead. It's funny because at first she seemed enthusiastic to talk to me and I definitely caught her looking but after we got further in the conversation it seemed worse and worse. I still wished I would've gone for a number close though.

That just tells me that my game wasn't on point at 9:00 in the morning and she wasn't all the way awake either. No other real notable interactions with women other than some long game I'm playing with coworkers and a few service-worker flirtations which don't count. Need to approach more.

Post: #18

Weird 4th

Girl hit me up out of the blue the day before and invited me to a beach house 4th of july gathering thing. Got her number months back before I quit online dating and it kind of fizzled out because she was being flaky and I had tried to get her out numerous times that all fell through. When she texted me initially I had to look up the number on facebook but still pretended like I didn't know who it was. Had some solid banter then a little get to know you talk and I left her on seen the evening before and texted her again at noon.

On the 4th me and my boy and his girl got into the blow and had a long ass drug and alcohol fueled day. This girl renounced her plans to go to the lake house but we were still trying to meet up and I'm trying to organize logistics while I'm beyond fucked up, she's flaky as shit and a little dingy so she's not making it easy on me. I was almost sure that was to disinterest on her part but as it turns out she's a flaky dingbat. Had my boys girl add her on facebook and make some light conversation and talk to her a little bit about something completely unrelated to me (piercings) then move into asking her to come join us for 4th of july. She worked her magic a little bit and they got to talking about me and and my boys girl vouched for me in some way and built some comfort. That accomplished showing the girl I had friends that spoke well of me and disarmed her a little bit, giving some plausable deniability. Using other people's girls to inflate my chances is a game accomplishment to me, I'm proud of myself.

After more alcohol and blow I called her up and tried to find a way to watch the fireworks with this girl but it just wasn't happening. Later she just invited me to her house after the fireworks were done and we met up and it was all good. Did some pretty classic push and pull while escalating with kino. Greeted her with a hug, made it back to her room and would grab her by her hips and pull her in for a kiss. Then as things got hot and heavy would push her away and resume whatever I was currently doing (rolling a J, drinking a beer, whatever). After a few rounds of kino escalation and push and pull I pushed her onto the bed and fucked the shit out of her. So this is where it gets weird.

I break out some white girl and we end up doing it and she tells me she was a virgin. I was a little too fucked up to notice some of the signs but after a little interrogation I deduced this must be the truth, or close to it and she doesn't believe she is lying. Though she said she'd sucked 3-4 dudes off and had a failed anal attempt it all checked out. I couldn't believe it at first but as I sobered up and we fucked more I noticed how tight she was and how much she had no idea what the fuck she was doing in bed despite being quite eager and willing to please me. This girl was 23 and I had her pegged for a hoe for sure so I was skeptical as fuck but after asking her a fuckload of questions and having her tell me everything I sensed no lying in her at all which creeped me the fuck out cuz how could that even happen. She's a liberal arts school student that has admitted to going out and getting drunk for fun, plus she invited a degenerate like me to her house at 10 0'clock at night and it only took about an hour to bust her open.

Whatever the case she is telling what she believes to be the truth, I'm a pretty phenomenal lie detector nowadays but it doesn't work on women who believe their lies and act congruently and there is no evidence to the contrary. The only incongruence is she goes out drinking and gets fucked up every few weekends. She didn't bleed when I fucked her the first time but I slyly asked her in an unrelated conversation if she has ever been horseback riding or done sports as a kid and she's done both so that kind of checks out. I have a little reason to believe she may not be as virginal as she's saying because she goes out drinking and may have fucked a few people that "didn't count" as women would put it, though she swears this is not the case. She's already being a little clingy (which I have never really minded that much so it's not a big problem, yet)

Anyway, in her mind I deflowered her. I feel pretty bad about it and had no way of knowing beforehand. So far the time I have spent with her I can tell we're not going to get along in the long-term. I'm going to try to set a good example for men in the future and it seems like she has a pretty solid family and other than being brainwashed by a liberal college in matters of sex and femininity she might just turn out okay. I'm certainly not going to contribute to fucking this girl's life up and try to leave her better than when I found her, which is an uphill battle since I gave her a little yay and contributed to her drinking a little bit. Got some weird feelings about this one and there's a lot of reflection to be done. We have some plans again to meet tonight we'll see.

Post: #19

Been seeing this girl ever since. I'm catching some feelings but it's all good. Practicing being aware and knowing myself for as long as I have I'm not afraid of feelings and I do my very damn best to not let them cloud my judgement.

Yellow flags so far
-she wants to travel
-she's going to college (to be a vet)
- she's working as a hostess

I'm cautious but none of these things are DQs for potential LTR

Red flag
- she likes to go out drinking with her girlfriends *1
- she did yay with me and fucked me on the first night she met with *2
- she admitted to making out with countless guyd while drunk during her time partying *3

These are more troubling.

*1. I live in a college town and there's really no escaping this. I'm gonna have to meet her friends and make assessments and plans of action if there are some that are bad influences or encouraging slutty behavior. That's a can of worms I don't want to get into but I'm hoping for the best.

*2. I know I'm good but I'm not that good. It's unwise to think think this was a one time lapse in judgement, and I won't feed my ego and trick myself into thinking my game was really that tight that I can make a supposed virgin do blow and fuck on the same night I met her.

*3 not good at all fellas, not good at all.

Green flags
- good relationship with her father, mother, 2 sisters and brothers
- is honest and hard working as far as I can tell (job, school, still finds time to hang out with me and talk to her family)
- fairly conscious of social situations and well intentioned (observed her in a few social situations she navigated fairly gracefully)
- smart enough to not get taken advantage of by a low level manipulator but not too smart for her own good

Just being honest the outlook is not looking very good. Those are some serious red flags for me. So far has been very good however. She gives it up whenever and even comes on to me sometimes. Her shit tests have been extremely light and easily thwarted, my frame has not been compromised and I've shown enough social proof and demonstrated enough savvy to coast on social capital long enough to figure her out.

Women are malleable and this girl may be decent enough to warrant me investing my time in her. I'm still suspicious of the whole 23 year old virgin thing. While I don't place the extreme amount of value on virginity some guys here do, it is important, and it's even more important that she doesn't intentionally lie about those matters and doesn't have a roided out hamster that would allow her to lie without any tells. If there's any lie there I will find out and it will be an instant next. Just gonna play this one by ear and not get my hopes up

I'm not even going to lie I've got a little player fatigue and it would be nice to take refuge in a healthy ltr, even better to find the mother of my children. But in a fucked up way it would be pretty hilarious, humbling, and educational if I was being played. I'm open to whatever awaits.

Post: #20

I think I want this girl to be my nice innocent virgin girl that I can drop the game with and just be honest but she's not that, girls aren't like that, ever. Liberal raised in a college town. We had a fight last night about sex - which fellas; believe me, is always a bad sign. She tried to deny me sex on the basis of her friend was visiting and staying in her room, and we were staying in roomate's room on vacation. She really didn't want to have sex in her roomates bed (girl), and genuinely seemed uncomfortable. I was a little drunk off champagne and coming down from a little yay, but I have to admit I handled the situation quite well.

It started with the usual foreplay. Kissing, rubbing, moving down to her lady parts and massaging her clit. After she started getting turned on she said my name and insisted I stopped. I pushed through multiple times but after a certain point it was clear she had a logical blockage and moving past emotions wasn't going to do it. So, like an idiot I argued with her, and I argued logically. Nothing dries pussy up more than logic, I should know better. I asked her to state her logical concerns, her replies with nonsensical "I just don't want to" - "this is my roomates bed!" - "I couldn't look her in the eyes". So my rebuttal obviously was that we go to my car, we go outside, we go on the balcony, we go in the bathroom. Nothing could get through to her, because I was being stupid and not playing her emotions I was treating her as my equal. Ironically, she kept insisting that I was using her as a sex object, etc etc. It got to a point where I told her flat out "a girl has nevered denied me sex this early, this is ridiculous. My basic requirements for a relationship is that a girl keep me sexually satisfied. Now that's not all you're good for, you're not my slave. I don't want you to mindlessly follow my orders, that's not the issue here". And we went in circles around that point for a good hour until I just left. Once again - stupid. Should've just rubbed her clit, kissed her, pushed her, pulled her, and moved her over to the balcony or my car, or the bathroom.

She texted me this one my way home

"I'm really fucking sad that this just happened and I don't expect a reply from you. Clearly I'm just not the type of girl that you want and I'm sorry I can't mold myself into who you need. I just don't want to fight any more"

I called her after doing a few lines of yay (need to stop that). Convinced her to stay awake for 20 more minutes (as it's already 4AM by this point). Rolled over, got in bed on the premise of "we'll just go to sleep and talk tomorrow", seduced the fuck out of her. We fucked on the balcony (in full view of a courtyard and a large amount of housing projects on the third floor, shit was pretty cash), we fucked in the bathroom, we fucked on my car and we both happily went to sleep.

Got up in the morning, I took her shooting. We had a great fucking time and I never didn't enjoy her presence. Today was actually a great day between hanging out with her and my work friends, my homies, and going home.

This is the red pill, this is real shit. You treat women like your equals and you come logically and what you think would be correct and they don't respect. Completely emotion driven. I was mad at first but now I know what I have to do. It doesn't matter if she's a virgin or a hardened slut, gotta play her emotions. I will never look for an equal ever again, because I know nobody is equal. Not me, not you, not any girl.

Honestly, I think I'm being a fucking chump. In my mind i'm doing the right thing. Finding a virgin, bedding her, showing her the world. Telling her how the cow eats the cabbage unapologetically and at the same time showing her the beauty in the world - in all it's splendor and pain. To me, that's the right thing to do. Putting enormous effort into someone and hoping for the very best, while expecting the very worst. In these past 4 days I haven't even tried to pick up other girls, I've asked the people I trust and care for - for advice and guidance. I address my concerns like a man, handle them, and never show weakness or break for anyone. But I can't help but feel that I'm wasting my time, like it's just another girl. It's just another early 20s egotistical girl with no world experience and a stupid reality. In the meantime, she makes me happy. I'm going to keep doing it until I can't. Until she lies to me, denies me sex, or makes my life worse. I'm conflicted

Post: #21

Same girl

I tested her a little bit by not hitting her up for about a day. Just waiting to see if she would take some initiative. And she did, she invited me over to her house for some wine and food and to go swimming the next day in her apartment complex's pool. I don't expect women to take initiative ever but it is pretty damn refreshing when they do. We sat and drank wine and ate food and fucked until 3 in the morning.

She is fighting me over dominance a little bit, but with her education and upbringing that's to be expected, well actually it's to be expected of all women. Less so even now than when we first met, as I've done a pretty damn good job in showing good leadership skills. Showing her, not telling her why I have the authority I do. Sometimes she wants to argue about it but rarely do I indulge her. She's getting better just in these past few days and I think I really drove the point home to her last night. She was doing her laundry (offered to do some of mine too, which is a big +1 from me). She was being lazy about putting her clothes back in the dryer (stupid, but bare with me); I told her her clothes were done washing and she should go put them in the dryer. She refused just saying she would do it in the morning. I insisted, playfully spanked her a little bit and there was actually a little bit of a standoff until she eventually conceded, got up and said "is this you trying to control me" of course I didn't even address that. I went with her to keep her company because I said I would, cleaned out the lint trap, and waited for her to finish loading her clothes in the dryer.

On the walk back I hit her with this "look [name], you may call that being controlling but I have nothing to gain here. You know this was the right thing to do, you'll have clothes in the morning and you don't have to worry about it now. I'm just here to help make your life better, I want you to succeed, and I expect the same thing from you". I could tell that got to her and she's been a lot more submissive since.

I think I fucked up though, after a pretty satisfying sex session (making this girl cum is so much fun) I was like "So you want me to cuff you or what" and she didn't know what I meant. After a little playful back and fourth I was like "okay, that's it. Bitch your mine now", she insisted she didn't really know what that meant. She asked if I wanted her to be my girlfriend and in a monotone I said yes. I told her she couldn't talk to other men anymore, she insisted she wasn't anyway. She told me I couldn't fuck any other girls and I told her very plainly and sternly I have no real problem with that (and reminded her to say things in a more feminine manner, because I don't take too kindly to being commanded by anyone) but I won't be denied sex, it's just something that I won't do. Doing that in particular is the quickest way for me to leave, as sex is a need not a want.

I'm hoping I didn't arm her with the tools to fuck with me and that her intentions are pure, and I can foster an environment where it brings the best out in her not the worst. Because after all she's just a woman, and I truely believe given the opportunity all women will use sex as a weapon (or anything, really).

I'm under the impression it's almost always a bad idea for a man to request exclusivity first. I've also had bad experience giving women a "do not do" list, as they tend to overstep their bounds on purpose to test you. Though in the past my frame has been a bit weaker and I'm at a point in my life where I'm happy, healthy, well supported and becoming more financially independent as the days go on. So we'll see.

Cuffing and training a virgin, seems like the right thing to do. Seems like I'm doing alright and I didn't pick too terribly. As long as she's pleasant and follows my lead I see no reason to not continue down this path and honestly fellas she's a real joy to be around. We've shared some pretty good moments and communication is good. I feel like I'm getting a lot more leeway with this girl as she was a virgin when I met her (all but confirmed at this point), she's never been in a serious relationship before (which concerns me but we did have a conversation about why it happened like that). It seems like I can afford to fuck up a little bit and still maintain frame because she doesn't know much better - I'm really trying my very best not to let things like that happened. But this is my first time at this particular rodeo, so like I said we'll see. It's still to early to call it and I'm moving too fast as per usual

Post: #22

I'm slowly breaking her of her ideals on feminism and how "men and women should be equal". I have got her to admit men and women are different and have different roles. Flat out told her I find femininity extremely attractive and masculinity in females quite offputting and she was receptive. She's taken to saying please when she wants something and acting more feminine in general and not giving me any real feedback when I tell her to do something. It's beautiful really, I'm doing almost of all this through positive re-enforcement and good leadership. It was obvious to me that what she says her ideals are and how she acts are incongruous; lucky for me that just means aligning her with her nature and that any damage a liberal city with strong feminist undertones has done to this girl is reversible. She's malleable and young. I have to do a good job and hope her friends and environment won't undo all my work here. Luckily it sounds like she has good friends and despite them being on the liberal side I'm not seeing many signs of sluttery, which is rare in any demographic nowadays. I don't know if I mentioned this before but her parents are still together and she has several siblings of which she is in the middle which is again - lucky.

I just have to convince her to hold off on the tatoos for a few months while I work my magic. She has a tiny infinity sign on the upper back part of her neck which she quickly agreed was stupid. Any more than that is going to turn me off so the key here is to start subtly suggesting I find tatoos unattractive. If I've done my job properly, after a while her desire to have me attracted to her will supersede her stupid desire for the mother-daughter tattoo she's trying to get. Though this might be delicate so subtlety is key here.

Investing a lot in this girl and I'm growing more fond of her by the day. She's a joy to be around and I'm starting to see a lot of potential. I have to remind myself to be ready to hold my ground and be willing to enforce my rules with her and if that fails be willing to walk away. Which I'm just starting to realize is going to be hard for me. It's only been a week and a half, so who knows how it will go. Needless to say I'm putting my best foot forward

Post: #23

Going strong with the girl I've been writing about.

I have had 2 different girls hit me up (presumably for sex or other shenanigans). 1 I actually cared about and was a good girl who I wrote about earlier. The one with the hot mom that I regamed and fucked on a business trip. I actually like that girl but I informed her I had met someone and exclusivity was on the table so I'm not going to talk to her (in nicer words). She seemed to understand, apologized for bothering me (which she always does regardless) and told her I would catch up with her later.

The other was a 3AM text from this bitch who pretended to not remember who I was it was pretty odd. My girl just happened to not be spending the night that night which was interesting. Definitely could've banged this bitch with nobody any the wiser.

Her:Hey
Me: Who dis?
Her: idk that's why I texted you cuz your number was in my phone but I don't remember who you are
Me: Uh alright, but I asked you who you were
Her: My name is [name that I remember, banged her a month or so back]
Me: Don't know any [name]s. Have a good night tho
Her: Um okay Don't have to be rude about it lmao

Reminder this was at 3AM

Girl game recognized but not not respected. She would have done better just to say "hey we fucked a few months back, the dick was good. I want some more". I still wouldn't have done it, but honesty gets a long way with me. She reacted so negatively is very telling. She thought I was being rude because I said I didn't remember her. Funny, hope she cries about it. I tried to hit her up a few weeks after we banged the first time and she wasn't game for whatever reason, karma is a bitch, hoe. I swear I've turned down more pussy than anyone I know, but it's for a different reason this time. Weird.

Post: #24

(07-07-2017 11:19 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  Yellow flags so far ...
Red flag
- she likes to go out drinking with her girlfriends *1
- she did yay with me and fucked me on the first night she met with *2
- she admitted to making out with countless guys while drunk during her time partying *3

These are more troubling. ...

*1. I live in a college town and there's really no escaping this. That's a can of worms I don't want to get into but I'm hoping for the best.

*2. I know I'm good but I'm not that good. It's unwise to think think this was a one time lapse in judgement, and I won't feed my ego and trick myself into thinking my game was really that tight that I can make a supposed virgin do blow and fuck on the same night I met her.

*3 not good at all fellas, not good at all.

Green flags
- good relationship with her father, mother, 2 sisters and brothers
- is honest and hard working as far as I can tell (job, school, still finds time to hang out with me and talk to her family)
- fairly conscious of social situations and well intentioned (observed her in a few social situations she navigated fairly gracefully)
- smart enough to not get taken advantage of by a low level manipulator but not too smart for her own good

Just being honest the outlook is not looking very good. Those are some serious red flags for me. So far has been very good however. She gives it up whenever and even comes on to me sometimes. Her shit tests have been extremely light and easily thwarted, my frame has not been compromised and I've shown enough social proof and demonstrated enough savvy to coast on social capital long enough to figure her out.

Women are malleable and this girl may be decent enough to warrant me investing my time in her. I'm still suspicious of the whole 23 year old virgin thing. While I don't place the extreme amount of value on virginity some guys here do, it is important, and it's even more important that she doesn't intentionally lie about those matters and doesn't have a roided out hamster that would allow her to lie without any tells. If there's any lie there I will find out and it will be an instant next. Just gonna play this one by ear and not get my hopes up

I'm not even going to lie I've got a little player fatigue and it would be nice to take refuge in a healthy ltr, even better to find the mother of my children. But in a fucked up way it would be pretty hilarious, humbling, and educational if I was being played. I'm open to whatever awaits.

I think that you've put yourself in a precarious position, but at least you acknowledge it. Based on your current knowledge of this girl, the odds are against you.

If this girl puts you on a roller coaster of emotions, it will confirm your initial feelings about her. There are many openings for you to bail from this relationship.

You'll need unwavering frame to prevent her from straying. It'll be a long, difficult journey to pull her away from the temptations that would end your relationship.

I hope it goes well with this girl.

Post: #25

It's actually been really good. We're spending a lot of time together. I don't doubt her virginity any more at all. I've sat her down and talked to her about sex, past relationships and her experience with men. I have yet to find any incongruence in her story or off behavior. I'm confident in my ability to read people at this point in my life and what she says is the truth.

She's been increasingly submissive though still tests my frame every once in a while, it's telling that her tests are so mild, I feel like I'm dealing with a very inexperienced girl. Probably as close as I'll ever get to a clean slate. No real baggage to speak of.

I constantly show my value to her and have no doubt in my mind she absolutely adores me. No real emotional rollercoaster like you would expect from BPD type women. Just a steady stream of adoration and pride. Naturally I'm a pessimist about women and their nature I have a lot of hope for this one in particular. I'll be posting if anything goes wrong or I get other girls that want some dick but for now all I have are good things to say, as has everyone who has met her on my side of the fence; and believe me my people are not shy about calling women out for being trash. I knew it would be the case when I left her to her own devices amongst my friends and coworkers and wasn't worried for a second she would embarrass me or behave badly. And from all accounts so far (and my observations) she behaved like a nice girl who adores me.