Post: #1

I have been running into a relatively new issue lately, and I thought it time to bring this up here because for the life of me I can't figure out the answer to it.

My transition lately has been from turning numbers into a couple of dates with a girl and then walking away empty handed or a random notch to now where I can usually bed 50% or maybe more of the girls I get out on a first date, but usually only after 3-5 dates. This isn't a bad situation to have compared to how I was before, but this whole 3-5 date issue I'm having is incredibly time draining if you want to put up as many notches of 6+ quality girls as possible. Not only that, but this sticking point makes it incredibly hard to land in a given location and even if I am going full time at gaming woman end up with a notch or two in a week. I know this may sound like I'm asking too much to some people, but I believe it would make it incredibly hard to do something like visit a medium difficulty country and be able to get a couple of notches within a week if that's all the time I had for instance.

I guess I should mention that I am only doing day game and online game. I believe the prevailing knowledge is that if you want the quickest lays from meet to bang, stick to night game. But since I truly enjoy day game (I will begin getting into night game more in the coming month) and feel online game is definitely a good supplement, I don't want to abandon these two things.



The biggest issue I am running into is women keep bringing up it's not enough time and "I need to be comfortable". I know that we can't accept what women say at face value, so I was hoping more experienced guys can fill me in on what I am doing wrong. Keep in mind that many of these girls saying these things will let me feel on their ass, touch or even suck their breasts, and rub their poosy through clothes on the first date if I play it right.


First, can someone explain how a woman views time and comfort differently than a man? Like how do they see things that makes them crave more time before giving it up. As a man, and I'm sure many if not most men are like me, I usually see no reason why if we both like each other we shouldn't be having sex at the latest by the second date. But women don't seem to be ready early on except in "lucky" scenarios. How does their brain work on this topic?


Second, what am I missing and what can I do about it? Like is the reality that they are just not attracted enough? If that were the case why come on a date and let me suck your tits for example? Is it really just a matter of comfort? If so, how can I speed up the comfort process?



I really want to just understand how they think that is so vastly different than us, and then to know what I can do about it.

Thanks in advance,
-Stacks

Post: #2

These women are telling you the following:

It's not enough time = I don't feel a connection with you.

I need to be more comfortable = I am not attracted to you.

You should provide us with more details on what you are doing on these dates.

My sense is that you are pressing and escalating without building enough attraction.

This is putting girls off because they aren't hooked yet.

The issue with the time element is yours. Stop focusing on the time frame and place more emphasis on the quality of your interaction with her, essentially building more attraction and interest.

You are becoming physical with her before she wants to, rushing through the process. That is why you are getting these responses.

Post: #3

(08-04-2017 04:14 AM)StackGsMan Wrote:  The biggest issue I am running into is women keep bringing up it's not enough time and "I need to be comfortable". I know that we can't accept what women say at face value, so I was hoping more experienced guys can fill me in on what I am doing wrong. Keep in mind that many of these girls saying these things will let me feel on their ass, touch or even suck their breasts, and rub their poosy through clothes on the first date if I play it right.
-Stacks

I find it odd to even talk about this with a woman. It sounds like you're asking them why they don't want to fuck you. Or like you're asking them for permision?

It seems like you're not getting them turned on, or there wasn't that much attraction to begin with (they are on a date with you for other reasons). Are you wining and dining these chicks?

Post: #4

You're on the verge of a new paradigm. Firstly do you want to go on any dates? Be realistic. is it a chore, with a possible payoff that you seem to not be in control of. Years ago studying some game literature years before this forum even existed, one well known writer said he'd quit going on dates and he wasn't bothered. Those were my true blue pill days. I couldn't understand what he meant.
Here's real life experience - "dating" is a prejudicial dynamic as it means you're overvaluing the chick. It may not appear so on the face of it. The type of dating you're doing goes against the key concept of "game as logistics". Your efforts are tending to not be efficiently designed to get the bang. It's a gamble, where 2, 3 or 4 dates are "expected" to lead to a bang. Here's the problem - once they sense they can string you along they'll use that against you. The frame is all wrong. Some wise guys have asked why anyone would basically feed a chick and buy her alcohol in return for nothing. That's a date.
I remember something from over a decade ago. Here's how to know you're overvaluing her - her friends, who she spends most of her time with, don't have to keep taking her places and buy her drinks and food to maintain the friendship. She doesn't expect that from them. And they wouldn't ever do it either. So why introduce that dynamic just because she's a chick and you're a guy. Why hand over the frame to her.
Forget their explanations, "time", "too soon", "not ready"... Once they are reasoning logically with you, not reacting emotionally and impulsively to you, the game has been lost by then.

Post: #5

Need more info but it sounds like they are putting you in the boyfriend material category. In which case girls will drastically draw out the time it takes to lay them since you provide value of some kind that they are afraid of losing or they ironically like you too much. Like others said, we would need to know more about your pitch to these girls and what your dates involve.