Post: #1

Perhaps this is more for the Newbie forum, but I've been thinking recently about this subject. A guy can do a whole variety of things to improve his game, but when does it reach the point that it's better to just relocate? I feel that this is a difficult question since it's awfully tough to do a self-assessment and it's tough to get a good idea of a place without doing a lot of approaches, but it's definitely something worth thinking about.

Post: #2

Why not have both?

Post: #3

Honestly I don't understand the point of the question. Moving to places where you will improve more? Where there is more room for growth? Or a place that is easier for you?

I personally wouldn't move 'for game' itself. 'Good game' to me is totally integrated with your life. So to some extent places where I game better correlate to places I want to live in - not easier places, just places where the lifestyle is similar to my ideal, and thus I have more of a gusto for the women and life in general.

Post: #4

I think of two variables. Game knowledge and potential girls. It is hard to really know when you’ve maxed out.

Post: #5

Games & Location IMO...Are 2 seperate things..

Game = YOU, has nothing to do with where you're located. If you're a unfavorable presence in x-city it won't necessarily translate. I continually read about guys using "specific looks per region" as a factor BUT that's mild. Just because some white guy goes to a country in SEA and starts having sex doesn't mean much in the long term. He's still that same guy who lacks presence.

Location...She be merely based on your interests & "lifestyle" changes. If you live in kansas city but like quality choices so you find a bigger city...Cool.

If something appeals to you at this current stage of your DEVELOPMENT. Say for instance "exploring food" so you decide to hit penang malaysia...COOL

If you're tired of big cities and have an urge to recharge so you decide a place like gothenburg to have a few girls, focus on health and just recharge...COOL

However, as it seems based on how this site changed over the years and due to lurkers. A guy screams "Poosy Paradise" and increases the tourism within that city. I can only imagine a place like wroclaw where all of a sudden locals are wondering "how the hell are all these singles men ending up HERE yet they're not even in school". Many have hit that spot because of this site and obsession for girls.

Maybe it's because I never had such freedom YET. But I find it wasteful to go somewhere just for the girls. That's like me opting to go to Montenegro just because it's probably I'd like the girls YET I'd most likely be bored out my mind.

Flipside, I'm not into most asians BUT I'd much rather be in ho chi minh city (and many other asian cities) exploring the food and learning about it over time, while slaying whatever chicks that happen to peak my interest. (Not to forget all the other cool things to do beyond stuffing my face) You won't catch me in BALI where it seems to have alot of attractive foreign women because I simply have no interest despite knowing I'd prob meet some yoga centric cutie or something.

Game is something within, you can't go seeking it out in a new city. If you're social/sex life is horrible in x-city, it won't really translate in y-city. Many people would argue otherwise BUT I always point out COMMUNITY GUYS in general have a huge red flag in their character just off 1 fact...

Most HATE lower populated cities or heavily social circle oriented cities due to their REP. This is rather odd because if you're THAT GUY majority of women should LOVE YOU and so smaller city REP would be great. However, that's not the actuality when reading stuff on here.

Most try to leave no footprint and so they're always starting from scratch hitting one city after the other. I can see how it can wear many people down to want to go back home every so often.

Howevere, the man needs to change or he'll always be search for utopia outside of himself

Post: #6

In my experience, women respond to the same basic things (game) in most places around the world. So if you have bad game in one city, moving to a new city won't change that - you will still have bad game.

Post: #7

D.L.

Glad you posted that. I would never travel to a country just for the women either, because if you aren't excited to be in the country itself, and curious about it, it seems less likely that you will both enjoy yourself and that people will find you attractive.

I am not actively gaming now for spiritual reasons, but if I was, I would take your approach of appreciating every day and every moment and every person you meet, and trusting that you will come into contact with the women you need as you pursue your own enthusiasms and passions throughout the day.

Post: #8

I think location does affect game. If you live somewhere that isn't fulfilling your needs, then you won't be happy. If you're not happy, then you're in a crappy mood which affects your willingness to go out and be social and/or game.

I don't know if this is what I'm dealing with now. I've got friends and family where I live, but I always feel like there's something missing here. As a result, I get burnt out on gaming quick.

I think that's a challenge itself for me; figuring out what I want in a city.

Post: #9

I've posted on this several times and the question always gets confused. Of course moving won't change your game in itself --- but game changes in different scenarios with people of different personalities or looks. Also, it might change your motivation, or the upside of game, or the niche you fill, etc.

Game means much less when you can't get access. Even a better way to say this is that if you don't even have "marks" that make you excited, of course you're not going to be motivated to improve and adapt [as much].

If you are subpar on a lot of levels, or average in many ways, of course changing scenery will change little. But there are a lot of upper 10-20% of men in western countries where, because of the culture and demographics, it is insane for them not to try greener pastures. Is it easy to do? No. But remember this is the basic reason why this site even exists in the first place.

Post: #10

Moving out to different place only for this one reason alone, for women, is a loser move. Just like doing anything for a girl against yourself.

I learned that anytime I get off my path so to speak only to please a woman or to indulge in chasing tail I lose in the end. I lose my time or money or self respect. Unacceptable.

Follow your path and include girls in the meantime. I would never move to different country or state or district if women/game was the only reason to do it.

Post: #11

In my experience, location matters.

I've been in 2 different countries for years and I simply tear it up in location A whereas in location B I have to struggle with similar game.

I am more attracted to girls in location A and likewise. So it's a no brainer that location A is simply a better place for me to reap the rewards of gaming.

There's a difference between TRAINING in the game and REAPING THE REWARDS of game.

If you are training, location does not matter. In fact, tougher locations will sharpen your game even more. This is why I am not averse to gaming globally.

HOWEVER, having found an ideal location where I find the girls attractive and likewise, that is where I would go if I wanted to reap the rewards of my training.

Quite simple & logical actually.

Post: #12

It's not an either-or proposition. The world is diverse and has lots of different ethnic groups and cultures, and some fit you and some won't.

An overlooked part of game is cultural fit. If you're gaming chicks in a culture that doesn't fit you, or within a sick and toxic society like the West while you yearn for a healthier society, it's not likely to work for you. The solution is to move.

Whether you actually make the move depends on whether you're able to do it, can financially support yourself, and are able to make yourself at home in your new place with or without chicks. Of course you wouldn't relocate only for girls. But you would want to relocate to healthier/non-feminist societies with more balanced dating markets, a lower cost of living and a higher quality of life -- where you and that culture is a better fit, you're able to build social circles and a new life there.

Why make things harder for yourself by gaming in difficult locations as if you're a glutton for punishment? Life is short.

Post: #13

An interesting question.. Moving just for girls is not a good idea, just like doing anything else just for girls. An example, lets take finland. A lot of guys think the girls there are very approachable but it is also said the people there can be pretty cold to foreigners, now you are having dates and lots of ONS but you dont really have friends, you are still going to feel left out, some part is still missing. Wherever you go, there is always a negative to it, utopia is perfection that exists only in the imagination. Like others have said before, if you are not decent in game in your home city, chances are you are not going to be good in a strange place with a different culture. The point when you decide to relocate is if its going to improve many other areas of your life like your job, somewhere more aligned with your values, a culture you want to experience etc. Meeting girls is something you do while engaging in these other areas of life because then you are bringing higher value to people you encounter.

Post: #14

Location is everything...in order to learn game you need to live in a location that motivates you. All the time and effort, all the rejections you have to go through, it better be in a place where the quality of girls makes it worthwhile.

Post: #15

+1 what Pointer said.

Post: #16

I can't remember the book I was reading but I do remember some interesting tidbits which I think is relevant (in my head) to this thread

1) we are currently living in the biggest mass migration of humans ever (just the States alone east to west coasts and north to south)...the book quoted that in Washington D.C the phone companies can't keep up with new telephone numbers and addresses.

2) Storefronts that use to sell the same goods for generations ( fixtures grounding the community) now change regularly (landmarks)

3) neighborhoods and apartment buildings where nobody knows each other.

My point is in any given city/town people get into a routine I'll call it the "comfortable routine" (same bars same people same coffee spot same dead end job) yet humanity is swirling around (moving in and moving out).

Try going somewhere different or doing something different in town then wait to see what comes along.

Pointer makes the point of "quality of girls" and location I could not agree more I'm a firm believer that western culture women are more depressing to be around than involved with. (I earned that right to feel that way!)

My present location isn't better or worse than anywhere else it's just a platform to see the world. Funny I just came back from a trip to the Ukraine and there was a hot Romanian chick working at my Starbucks in town...go figure.

Post: #17

Game + Best Location = Best of both worlds. For instance, if you're looking for lots of girls to bang that are all about YOLO, then moving to Las Vegas would make sense. If you are looking for a virgin girl to wife up, then moving to a conservative Asian country makes sense. There are attraction triggers that have overlaps in short and long-term game, but finding a location where the girls match your desired outcome matter a lot too. If you're stuck in some tiny town with lots of fatties, then by all means, all the game in the world might "work", but you might not like the "prizes" you win.

Post: #18

The main factor in the difficulty of a place for game is male/ female ratio. I live in a place that used to have decent ratios and now has terrible ratios. The level of difficulty has increased along with the ratio of men to women.

When I go to a place with better ratios, game is easier, even within the United States.

Post: #19

Brazil is good if you want degeneracy