Post: #1

Disclaimer: I am not a philosopher nor an economist. I am simply sharing my thoughts I have had for quite some time now without much use of reference.

I will argue that the expansion of monetary supply is correlated with and the most likely cause of societal degeneration we have been witness to over our lifetime.

For a while now the Manosphere has pinned socialism, feminists, lack of religion, Jews, excessive numbers of men, weak/supplicating beta men, George Soros, The Left, government interventionism, and a whole host of other things for societies cultural degeneration. I will argue these problems occur downstream of monetary policy that expands the money supply. Let me elaborate briefly:

Female behaviour has always been kept in check my resources. In the past, even after resources such as food and shelter became abundant, access to these would be constricted due to the limited money supply. Women had to rely on men to earn a wage and he was more than sufficient to provide for a family.

What came next was the expansion in the money supply. Fiat is centrally regulated and can be expanded on the whims of central banks and their periphery. Banks introduced new money out of thin air into circulation each time a person needed a loan. This expansion of the money supply or inflation has conclusively destroyed more than 99% of the purchasing power of government issued dollars called Federal Reserve Dollars since it was introduced in 1913.

It was only 60 years ago when a man could afford to buy a house with half a years salary. Today the average person can only accomplish the same feat in 30+ years of salaried work because of diminished purchasing power of his dollar. It was because of this, it became acceptable to introduce women into the workforce. The Left and all the useful idiots cheer leaded the rest through.

Women were given access to employment and men had to appease them to afford the same standard of living they had before the expansion in the money supply. Women consistently voted in socialist policies that further put pressure on expanding the money supply. With the state sheltering them and their hypergamous nature unchecked they were free to become more sexually selective than ever before in human history, thus the declining birth rates.

The source of all of this is monetary policy that allows fractional reserve banking that allows expansion in the money supply.

I believe that in theory, all of these problems downstream of the monetary policy can only be challenged upstream by replacing the monetary system that created it with one that does not allow expansion in the money supply.


TLDR version: Expansion of money supply -> diminished purchasing power of men -> Women allowed/encouraged to contribute in work/politics -> Women get options and their hypergamy and socialist voting destroyed the West.

Post: #2

I think this is a coincidence, because the pill and legal abortion coincided.

But in Weimar Germany, which experienced rampant hyperinflation, it certainly did.

Post: #3

Expansion of the money supply is a symptom, not the cause, of societal decay.

The real cause of the societal decay we are seeing is that generation born in the wake of World War Two. And each generation after it, since the Baby Boomers went on to teach their shit to each succeeding generation. As those generations demanded more and more "security" from their government, sought an ever-more-rigid caste system centred on the university, there had to be more and more money to pay for it.

The only thing holding this shit together is the fact that, amazingly, after a good 80 years, nobody has a currency with as large a volume and as trusted as the US dollar (albeit there likely have been as many currency and economic wars to keep it that way as physical).

When that trust stops, so does the existence of the United States of America. Period. As we see with Venezuela now: the moment your government spends more than it earns, your country's fate is determined not by the vote, not by the AK-47, but by the consent of the bondholders and the banks.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #4

Suggest reading Sir John Glubb's "Fate of Empires"
Money supply is a symptom as @Paracelsus wrote.

However
If you look at history, and at the cycles of rise and fall, money supply is not always present. I totally get what OP is stating, but it is part of a broader issue.
Glubb quotes a scroll from the 10th century, in which women wanted to become Kadi's (Religious judge) - so feminism happens (to some extent) on every decay cycle.

There is no denying that money supply is part of it. But it is not "The Cause".

Post: #5

I absolutely agree this is a major contributing factor.

Big time.

The cooked inflation stats in particular and I've written about it before. The cooked inflation stats is a covert way of stealing worker income and filling (((rent seeker))) pockets.

It's just a very difficult subject to bring to the mainstream, almost impossible, but it was a key part in the Ron Paul movement.

Post: #6

Monetary expansion=silent devaluation of currency=inflation. Inflation is the true disease. It discounts everything in a society and puts everyone under pressure. Monetary inflation corrodes morals and standards. It is the loss of standards that is the true issue to me.


There are a couple of books on inflation that may help:

When Money Dies by Adam Fergusson: https://mises.org/library/when-money-dies The Nightmare of Deficit Spending, Devaluation, and Hyperinflation in Weimar Germany.

The Dying of Money by Jen O Parsson https://www.amazon.com/Dying-Money-Jens-...613&sr=1-1

Another fantastic book about inflation and its effects.

Post: #7

I was thinking about this exact topic recently. Rapid societal transformation has been at the very least accompanied by an ongoing transformation in monetary policy. I don't think we can defeat the poz while the current system of central banking, fiat currency, never-ending inflation continues. We can't go back to the gold standard, but perhaps cryptocurrency is the way forward.

Post: #8

Federal Reserve was created in December of 1913. Women did not get the vote until 1920. The owners of the Federal Reserve pushed for the USA to enter WWI, fucking up Europe forever and causing a massive loss of life. They of course collected on the debt.

I would say that once the Fed was created it was the poison pill that killed America, but you have to ask why we took that pill in the first place. The men had most of the power back then, voting had been expanded from landholders to all men and the people in power did not seem to know or care too much about sound money. Jackson killed the bank but the people who recreated in 1914 believed otherwise. Really, the only thing that could have deterred American men from a Fed was the Bible, which has strong condemnations against usury.

So perhaps it was the loss of faith way back then which set the stage for the Fed. Once the money printing started, then yes I would argue it caused virtually all of the social problems we are experiencing today. It's reflected in our attitudes; with low interest rates people have no inclination to save for the future and therefore indulge selfishly in the present.

Post: #9

(10-17-2017 10:50 AM)Extinguished Light Wrote:  I was thinking about this exact topic recently. Rapid societal transformation has been at the very least accompanied by an ongoing transformation in monetary policy. I don't think we can defeat the poz while the current system of central banking, fiat currency, never-ending inflation continues. We can't go back to the gold standard, but perhaps cryptocurrency is the way forward.

Cryptocurrency's main problem is that it has to reach an equivalent or superior level of trust in it as gold. Until they figure out how to keep people's money disappearing into the digital ether, and until large swathes of people really believe that their dollar is not worth shit, it's not going to be preferred to gold or fiat.

Trust above all drives the existence of a currency, in the same way that fear and greed drive stock markets. Germany only recovered from its hyperinflation because the government began issuing currency backed by real estate. Zimbabwe only started to come out of hyperinflationary conditions when the government finally surrendered and allowed people to start trading in US dollars again. Gold was/is trusted for large amounts of money because it's virtually indestructible and it's quite rare comparatively speaking: in all six thousand years of human civilisation we've only mined about 200,000 tons of it or some such. But gold has its downsides too: chiefly, it's fucking difficult to trade in small amounts of it, which is going to be death if the US dollar ever does hyperinflate.

You are quite correct, though, that rapid monetary transformation often is linked with rapid societal transformation. Every political crisis in the history of the United States has essentially been an economic crisis first and foremost, every reformation or end of a political party is invariably linked to a large economic event.

This also holds further back into history as well: the Roman Empire really began heading towards collapse with Septimus Severus and then Caracalla who made the appallingly bad twin errors of first heavily debasing the currency to pay for the army (Septimus) and then making all free men in the Empire citizens of Rome (Caracalla). It did take another 100 years or so for this to fully play out, but neither Diocletian or the great Constantine himself were able to avert this disaster; it's one of the big reasons Constantine split the Empire in half and fucked off to Constantinople to rule from there.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #10

"Usury: A charge for the use of purchasing power, levied without regard to production; often without regard to the possibilities of production."

Classical philosophers and medieval Christian scholars believed that usury is the worst of all sins because all sins are the bastard off-springs of it.

The teachings against usury often went hand-in-hand with condemnations against sodomy because both are unproductive. Usury was deemed a crime against nature because it tried to begat something from nothing.

The most ancient of struggles is that between labour and parasitism, productivity and unproductivity, reproduction and gonorrhoea.

Canto XLV ,By Ezra Pound With Usura
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/54319/canto-xlv

Five-Per-Cent by Robert W Service
https://allpoetry.com/Five-Per-Cent

Aristotle Wrote:The trade of the petty usurer is hated with most reason: it makes a profit from currency itself, instead of making it from the process which currency was meant to serve. Their common characteristic is obviously their sordid greed....  Hence of all the kinds of wealth acquisition this one is the most unnatural.

Saint Thomas Aquinas Wrote:He who takes interest for a loan of money acts unjustly for he sells what does not exist. It is wrong in itself to take a price (usury) for the use of money lent, and as in the case of other offences against justice, one is bound to make restitution of his unjustly acquired money.

Post: #11

(10-16-2017 05:04 AM)Hypno Wrote:  I think this is a coincidence, because the pill and legal abortion coincided.

But in Weimar Germany, which experienced rampant hyperinflation, it certainly did.

Have a read of Ezra Pound's Usura:

"or where virgin receiveth message"

"Usura slayeth the child in the womb
It stayeth the young man’s courting
It hath brought palsey to bed, lyeth
between the young bride and her bridegroom
                               CONTRA NATURAM
They have brought whores for Eleusis
Corpses are set to banquet
at behest of usura. "

Post: #12

It seems to me that the dominance of large banks is predicated on the realization that by tampering with the money supply, you can trick people into increasing their industrial productivity while strengthening central power at the same time. Banks being able to control huge amounts of money and even dictate the worth of money at will makes large scale investment possible, and also opens the door to massive social changes. That whatever large changes that take place might be engineered to benefit a small elite goes without saying. So yeah, by this reasoning feminism and other forms of social degeneration were certainly welcomed by those in charge.

Of course, this notion could totally wrong since I don't have any meaningful knowledge about the principles of finance.

Post: #13

Great thread. I also believe it's a symptom as described, the handing over of self will and responsibility for supposed security, which Ben Franklin warned against from the beginning.

Post: #14

It has to do with time preference. When you have resources you have the option of a)consuming them for immediate gratification or b)investing them so you have more resources in the future. When you have printing of money savers(holders of the currency) are punished and everyone shifts towards immediate gratification at the expense of moderation and savings. In the extreme cases people go out and convert the money to goods as soon as they possibly can in order to avoid the destruction of the currencies buying power(weimar germany, zimbabwe). In cases like this you order two beers at a time because when you go to order the second the price will have risen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemline_index

In recessions people are forced back to reality and start behaving more conservatively. The roaring 20s(an era of monetary expansion and loose behavior) gave way to conservative behavior after the stock market crash.

Post: #15

Socialism and crony capitalism do not reward virtue. They reward the opposite of those things.

Post: #16

(10-18-2017 01:05 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 05:04 AM)Hypno Wrote:  I think this is a coincidence, because the pill and legal abortion coincided.

But in Weimar Germany, which experienced rampant hyperinflation, it certainly did.

Have a read of Ezra Pound's Usura:

"or where virgin receiveth message"

"Usura slayeth the child in the womb
It stayeth the young man’s courting
It hath brought palsey to bed, lyeth
between the young bride and her bridegroom
                               CONTRA NATURAM
They have brought whores for Eleusis
Corpses are set to banquet
at behest of usura. "

I have read Ezra Pound' acolyte, Eustace Mullins, exetensively and used to work in banking. (BTW, G. Edward Griffin's book The Creature from Jekyll Island is largely lifted from Mullins' earlier Federal Reserve Conspiracy).

Usury has existed through millenia.

I don't disagree with your views on usury necessarily, just that the coincidence of societal decay and the rise in the money supply has more to do with the pill and commies taking over academia in the u.s. than it does with the fed. The fed was created two generations earlier and while it was a destabilizing force it does not account for the spike OP illustrates.

Post: #17

Correlation maybe but no causation. It just happened to coincide with the timing where societal decay reached a point where it was out in the open. Might have something to do with Obama's 8 year term coinciding with that same period which sent leftists into overdrive. Also the smartphone took off right around that time, which was a major game changer in many respects (good and bad).

The societal decay resulting from expansion of the monetary supply you better HOPE doesn't happen soon, because that means hyperinflation, difficulty obtaining food, water,and other resources, violence/civil unrest, and maybe even civil war. Many innocent people would die early deaths. A lot of people who have few resources seem to think a collapse is in their best interest because they interpret they have the least to lose, but they are actually positioned the worst of anyone to survive a collapse of order.

Post: #18

Found a great blog post talking about how usury killed our dollar and our women.

https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/10/06...-marriage/

Quote:If you’ve ever looked at pictures of ancient coins you may have noticed that they are typically not very round. One method of debasing ancient coins was to shave off bits around the edges, a practice called clipping. The debaser could then collect up the gold or silver shaved off of multiple coins while passing the clipped coins off at face value. The practice was of course highly illegal, but the problem was as a merchant it was difficult to draw the line on when you would and wouldn’t accept a coin at face value. If only 1% or 2% of the metal was gone you knew you didn’t have much to worry about. But as the money circulated longer each incremental bit of clipping started to add up. Once the original line was crossed it was difficult to know where to refuse a coin. So long as you could pass it off on someone else you were fine, but you didn’t want to be the final sucker in the chain who foolishly accepted the debased coin at face value.

One of the steps taken to prevent this kind of debasement was to mill the edges of coins. This way it was more obvious when even a little bit had been clipped off. This is why US quarters have milled edges; quarters used to be 90% silver, so there was some incentive to clip. When the government switched to copper-nickel clad quarters they kept the milling as part of the design:

Quote:Men looking to marry face the same kind of dilemma ancient merchants used to face. Feminists and their enablers have slowly shaved off the value of marriage for men. Marriage for men no longer means:

Being the legally and socially recognized head of the household.
An expectation of regular sex.
Legal rights to children.
Lifetime commitment.
As each new bit has been shaved away, men have had the choice of either accepting debased marriage at face value or walking away:

Quote:As men came to accept each clip, additional clips were continuously made. Women chose to marry later in order to first have a degree. This older bride then came with a little extra attitude, maybe some student loan debts, and perhaps more expensive tastes. Again, the choice by men was to accept what was commonly on offer or avoid the transaction altogether. After all, this is what everyone else was accepting:

Quote:Ok, it isn’t quite as good as the last round, but what are you going to do? In the end if you don’t look too carefully it kind of looks like the same thing. But of course the clipping hasn’t stopped there. That wife who waited to marry until she graduated college really needs to get a career before marriage so she can complete her feminist merit badge. This even older and less attractive career gal wife of course comes with even more feminist attitude, and somehow still comes with student loan debt. She also now has a legal incentive to divorce in the form of cash and prizes and nearly guaranteed child custody. Oh, and we also have some new laws which assume you are an abuser if your wife decides she needs some drama or extra leverage against you. But what are you going to do? Aren’t you man enough to accept her?

Quote:There’s just one more small thing. It took her so long to find you that you can’t reasonably expect her chastity to be perfectly in tact. I mean, it’s mostly there, but it suffered a ding or two. Her virginity was gone to her first boyfriend, but don’t worry it was very romantic and she still has fond memories of that special time. Not too long after that those jerks at the frat house did a number on her pride, but you can’t hold that against her. She’s a bright gal, and after that she learned how to hook up smart. There were, I think, a few other clips along the way. Nothing too serious, but after all remember it did take her forever to find you. Your little bird may not be quite as young and innocent as she would have been had she found you sooner, but there is always hope.

Quote:You may now kiss the bride.

The bottom line is that as our money was adulterated, so too were our women adulterated. Just too powerful of a correlation to be a coincidence.

Inflation destroyed the value and savings of the working man, destroying his ability to rear a family. Inflated costs of everything meant women had to whore themselves out to the corporate college complex in order to make ends meet. Now things are so fucked people barely make families beyond two kids anymore. Whoring is more widespread than ever.