Post: #1

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-03...ing-strike

Quote:Wealthy Wall Street finance types are going to need to find a new way to entertain their wealthy asset-management clients - at least for the time being - because the strippers are going on strike.

The source of the dispute is a simmering dispute between New York City dancers and a growing cohort of Instagram-famous “startenders” who wear outfits that are almost as revealing as the strippers' outfits, but also promote the club on social media - bringing in a loyal following of customers - while also serving drinks.

The club owners, not wanting to lose the revenue that the bartenders are bringing in, have stood idly by while the bartenders' influence inside the clubs has grown, while the strippers, who typically pay clubs a house fee to dance, are seeing their nightly earnings dwindle.

The result? One stripper who spoke to the post said she used to make $1,000 a night. But now she’s pulling in closer to $400.

“No dancer in New York City is making $1,000 a night anymore."

Of course, the strike is still in its early stages. But according to the Washington Post, it’s quickly gaining support.

Panama is a stage name and she declined to provide her real name. She is for real, though, said Mona Marie, the owner of a New York dance studio where many dancers train called Poletic Justice. And, she says, so are their mounting grievances, so much so that some of them have declared a stripper’s strike. It’s unclear how many dancers are participating and what the impact on the clubs has been. The strike is about a week old.

This isn’t your normal labor dispute between employees and employers. It’s between bartenders and strippers, on the one hand, and between strippers and club promoters on the other, who tend to side with the bartenders because, after all, it’s the bartenders who they believe are bringing in the customers via social media.
As it turns out, the advent of photo-sharing apps like Instagram and Snapchat has violently disrupted the business of being an exotic dancer. To compensate for the drop in their nightly take at NYC clubs, the dancers now travel more because they can earn more money at clubs down South, or clubs in smaller towns where girls from fresh faces can earn more money.

Because of the club owners’ indifference, many of the best dancers to skip NYC altogether, one stripper said.

A dancer named Gizelle Marie is one of the strike organizers. “The [New York City] bartenders tell the customers not to tip us. They block us from the customers while we dance or they are sweeping our money off the stage while we dance,” she told The Post. Several videos taken from inside different clubs posted on Instagram appear to support her claim.

Gizelle Marie says most customers can’t tell bartenders apart from strippers anymore because they all basically dress the same and “the club promoters and owners encourage the behavior."

Gizelle Marie got the idea to mobilize the NYC Strippers Strike after she traveled to Washington last month to dance at a club during Howard University’s homecoming.

“I made a lot of money. It made me think to myself that a lot of the great dancers aren’t dancing in New York anymore. They moved away to other cities to work or they just completely stopped,” Gizelle said.

Within a couple days, she posted the word on Instagram and 30 strippers gathered last week at Poletic Justice in the Bronx for a meeting.

Panama said, “The dancers used to be the most respected in the club, and now it’s like the dancers are at the bottom of the barrel. And the dark-skinned dancers are all the way at the bottom of the barrel."
Among other considerations, the striking strippers are demanding a reduction in house fees and that black dancers also have the opportunity to be hired as bartenders.

In the past, the dancers have mostly been silent about their issues out of fear, she said. “People were in fear of losing their jobs if they spoke out. A lot of these women have other careers, are parents, are putting themselves through school so that fear factor absolutely played a part in it."

They want their house fees reduced. They want bartenders to pay house fees, too. The black dancers want the opportunity to be hired as bartenders. And they want the bartenders to stop stealing their money.

They wish as well that management would stop pitting the strippers and bartenders against each other. The dancers believe everyone can work together harmoniously if rules are established.

“All we want is respect at the end of the day,” Gizelle Marie said. “If it doesn’t change by us going to the owners we’ll take further matters legally."
However, the nascent strike is facing one major obstacle: Club promoters’ reaction to the strike ranges from indifferent to downright hostile.

Club promoters are not sympathetic to the strippers’ demands. Sean Simmons, promotional director for Aces New York, said the strike is “nonsense.” He said there is no racism in the nightclubs and that he employed “all ethnicities” as dancers and bartenders at his club before it was shut down a couple months ago.

“The whole industry itself has changed,” Simmons told The Post in a brief phone interview. “Some clubs are bartender-driven, but that’s just because the bartenders are beautiful women.” Simmons said that there should be rules and regulations between dancers and bartenders, but said, “Nothing will come from the strike."
Still, the women plan to keep fighting.

“No matter how people perceive your work environment, a work environment is a work environment and everybody needs to be respected and treated equally. If there’s something you can do to help or change your establishment, you should do it.”

Post: #2

I remembered an Russian old joke:

An English gentlemen is sitting in his cabinet working with some papers and drinking tea in his house in center of London. There is a growing noise outside the window. The gentleman calls his butler: "Barrymore, why is there a noise outside the window?"
The Butler replies: "Prostitutes on a strike , sir"
The gentlemen wonders: "But why Barrymore, are they getting paid low?"
The Butler replies: "Not really, sir"
Gentlemen: "Then why are they striking?"
Butler: "Because they are bitches, sir"

Post: #3

Bitch please, 99% of this world would kill for a $400 per night income. Spoiled ungrateful hos.

Post: #4

Patrice O'Neal hit the nail on the head when speaking about females in entertainment a while back, went something like:
"Anything with self-esteem isn't funny."

In this case, a stripper demanding respect is just another frustrated female manifestation of what happens when a woman (no matter how hot) fails to win commitment from a high SMV man she believes she's entitled to.

They whore themselves out to betas with cash, raising their self-esteem sky high. Now they can't figure out why they're undesirable relationship material. In this case, "Anything with beta-inflated self-esteem isn't attractive."

Either learn to cook and hope for the best or get back on the pole and stfu.

Post: #5

Stripper: "I'm on strike! I'm only making $400 a night."

Only? $400 dollars a day is earning north of $100 grand a year if you do it 5-6 days a week. Most people bleed themselves to make $70 grand a year and all you do is shake your pussy on stage and rub it on greasy losers and wannabe players.

Stripper: "You don't get it! I was making $1000 a night!"

Bitch, part of your clientele were Wall Street stockbrokers and finance and law types who worked 80+ hour weeks in high stress positions after spending their youth in highly competitive academic settings-- and still made less than you, and all you had to do was shake your pussy.

Stripper: "It's the respect thing. I'm not being respected!"

You shake your pussy. For a living. You get naked and shake your pussy, then you pretend to like desperate men to con them into giving you their money. Bitch, you're a complete disgrace.

Stripper: "Fuck you. Anyway I'm still better than those skank bartenders, they're the real thieves!"

So you're mad at fellow women in the workplace. Female solidarity in action. Speaking of-- so you and your heaux friends, I mean dancer friends, are not going to dance. Do you think there's a shortage of slutty, attention and money loving amoral young girls?

Yeah, well you stay home where you make $0 a night or go get a real job because I don't think the various strip joints are about to shut down for lack of dancers. I bet your friends are going to be back on the pole in a matter of days when they see the new talent coming in, and no one in management or clientele giving a shit that you're gone.

Post: #6

(11-05-2017 06:38 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Bitch please, 99% of this world would kill for a $400 per night income. Spoiled ungrateful hos.

400 U$S a night? Who do you need dead, like, right now?

Post: #7

If I understand correctly, the problem is that Instagram Hoes with hundreds of thousands/millions of followers play bartender for a night and bring in more people than the strippers, so they get more money than the strippers.

I don't see a problem. If you produce more, you get more $$$. That's how the world works (usually, when it's somewhat fair).

The strippers could always get their own Instagram accounts and learn how to market themselves through social media to bring out more men.

Post: #8

Startender. I'll have to remember that term. I definitely have noticed this, and been sucked into their charm. It's really the same phenomenon as camgirls. The eye-candy is nice and all, but porn has devalued the market value of visual stimulation. There isn't that much of a difference between a high def porn video and a stripper who is still look-but-don't-touch in most cases. The differentiation now is how well these women pretend to give a shit about you via their gift of gab. It's rent-a-friendzone-style-girlfriend, basically.

Post: #9

While $400 a night is not bad, perhaps these girls know their time is limited. While a hot stripper could bank $100k/year, how long will that last? Will she be making bank at 30, 35 or after? Likely not. Therefore, these girls are trying to make as much money as they can now.

Actually, they're probably just dumb hoes who will buy coke and purses with their money, and not put in in a 401k...

Post: #10

(11-05-2017 11:05 AM)questor70 Wrote:  Startender. I'll have to remember that term. I definitely have noticed this, and been sucked into their charm. It's really the same phenomenon as camgirls. The eye-candy is nice and all, but porn has devalued the market value of visual stimulation. There isn't that much of a difference between a high def porn video and a stripper who is still look-but-don't-touch in most cases. The differentiation now is how well these women pretend to give a shit about you via their gift of gab. It's rent-a-friendzone-style-girlfriend, basically.

I think it's a new thing in America. But Japanese have had hostesses forever. They're cute, serve drinks, smile, and make you feel good. I think the difference is these startenders probably give less personalized attention, and they get their IRL visitors through their social media power, but otherwise it seems similar. Japanese salarymen will become regulars at certain bars just for the hostess.

Edit: a thought just occurred to me. Strip clubs must be a zero sum game in terms of male attention.

If the Insta Hoes are bringing in more people, you'd think that'd be better for EVERYONE--strippers, Insta hoes, and the club. Obviously that's not the case since the strippers are getting less. But the club and Insta Hoes must be happy, otherwise this arrangement wouldn't continue.

One would think that more men would mean more money towards *everything*, strippers, Hoes and the club, but that's obviously not the case. That means even though more men are coming into the club, they're only spending it on drinks and likely tips for the Hoes. It's like men can't give attention and resources to both the Hoes and the strippers, so the two women have to compete.

From the article Wrote:A dancer named Gizelle Marie is one of the strike organizers. “The [New York City] bartenders tell the customers not to tip us. They block us from the customers while we dance or they are sweeping our money off the stage while we dance,” she told The Post. Several videos taken from inside different clubs posted on Instagram appear to support her claim.

It's almost like this is a metaphor for sexual relations.

Quote:They wish as well that management would stop pitting the strippers and bartenders against each other. The dancers believe everyone can work together harmoniously if rules are established.

Wait. The Insta Hoes are telling dudes to not tip the strippers, because that's money that could be going to the Insta Hoes. But the strippers are claiming it's MANAGEMENT that's pitting them against each other? And then they want men to work to fix things (if rules are established...passive voice...guess who's going to actually do the "establishing")? So women refuse to admit when other women are being shitty, and want men to fix their problems.

Now this is definitely a metaphor for sexual relations.

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Post: #12

These thots also probably don't pay taxes.

So they're effectively earning the equivalent of about $130,000+, not $100,000+.

Post: #13

(11-05-2017 10:49 AM)Sumanguru Wrote:  The strippers could always get their own Instagram accounts and learn how to market themselves through social media to bring out more men.

That's just it. It's a different market. Strippers are in the same classification as whores or pornstars. There's a slease factor. Hot bartenders are classified more in the realm of a waitress. They're like a land-locked waitress that you wind up having more chit-chat with because she's trapped behind the table. There's just less social stigma being a hot bartender because it hides behind that layer of plausible deniability. After all, they're keeping their clothes on. This helps feed into the idea that these women are "good girls", making them more of a magnet for male attention as guys can hamster away the idea of dating a bartender easier than a stripper. So they're more likely to orbit which benefits the bar and her bank account simultaneously.

The article in question is a unique situation because you're talking about bars in stripclubs, right? "Startenders" operate mostly in "respectable" restaurants. As a niche they have a huge leg-up on strippers.

Post: #14

(11-05-2017 10:49 AM)Sumanguru Wrote:  If I understand correctly, the problem is that Instagram Hoes with hundreds of thousands/millions of followers play bartender for a night and bring in more people than the strippers, so they get more money than the strippers.

I don't see a problem. If you produce more, you get more $$$. That's how the world works (usually, when it's somewhat fair).

The strippers could always get their own Instagram accounts and learn how to market themselves through social media to bring out more men.

Is more than that, strippers must pay a fee to the club to perform there, the bartender don't have to pay.

Startender are hot women in social media with a huge fallowing that are hired by the club to promote the club and events and to perform like strippers, in others words, startender not just avoid paying a fee but get pay by the club to be there. If you live in a big city like Chicago, NYC, LA, and you use social media like instagram you have come across those posts by hot women promoting some event at a club.

I read a Q/A done by a fashion model on Ask Me Anything on Reddit, she said one problem for professionals models like her is promoters, and the whole entertainment industry can hire many girls with a particular number of followers pay them some money and sometimes not money at all since they just like the exposure and get a huge profit.

She said the problem with social media like Instagram that are based on pictures, is it saturates the market to the point is easy to find attractive women , in the past if you have a business and you needed some girl for some event you will have to contact some model agency which will then contact the models. Now you can contact some attractive girl with 1M+ followers on Instagram by just sending a DM to the girl.

What is happening here is similar, social media saturate the market to the point is cheap to find girl to dance her ass off and now the money traditional strippers made is not the same.

Post: #15

The concerns of whores aren't on my radar, it's funny to hear about, but I won't waste my time thinking about it.

Post: #16

Another case of hoe jealousy.

Post: #17

(11-05-2017 01:03 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  The concerns of whores aren't on my radar, it's funny to hear about, but I won't waste my time thinking about it.

What I like is how they are treating this like some sort of civil right issue, like the men are supposed to worry some big ass whore is not making 1000 every night, she is just making 400 every night.

Strip clubs are the most pathetic thing for men to pay for, you are literally paying to be teased and turned on and leave at the end of the night with blue balls. A hooker is cheaper and at least you can get to fuck.

Strip clubs are like buffets you pay to watch the food but are not allowed to eat.

Post: #18

Makes sense from POV of stripper. They not striking against men , they striking against their economic competitors.

Like if bankers were making big money and someone was reducing their profits to less than half they would want to mobilise to deal with the problem if that was achievable

No one likes to make LESS money

Post: #19

Those whores will cross picket lines as soon as their bills start leaving their accounts.

Post: #20

(11-05-2017 02:00 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  Makes sense from POV of stripper. They not striking against men , they striking against their economic competitors.

Like if bankers were making big money and someone was reducing their profits to less than half they would want to mobilise to deal with the problem if that was achievable

No one likes to make LESS money

If they are salty now, just wait for when sex robot become a thing in the future, the whole stripper thing will disappear, you could have a robot sex that will dance and you can fuck at the same time.

Post: #21

I don't get it. How is going on a strike going to help them?? If I understand this correctly, this makes the startenders more on demand. or open the doors for new girls??

This is not like the workers of starbucks going on a strike. This is like starbucks going on a strike.

WTF kinda logic is that!?

Post: #22

Stripping doesn't pay as well across the market. There are too many women willing to show their pussy for a quick buck and fewer men willing to pay top dollar to see it. Startenders at least bring men to the club, these whores should be thankful.

Like all whores, they want the entire world to change so that their career choice is respected instead of doing something respectable with their lives. Chicks wanting the easy path, nothing new.

Post: #23

If your only skill is being attractive you can't get mad when more attractive girls make more money.

If they're hot enough they should just make their own instagrams and be "models"(or if they have the ass implants/injections for it they can be "fitness models") and all they have to do all day is post videos of themselves squatting incorrectly, shill for cleansing teas, and host parties.

Post: #24

All we want is respect! That's all! Oh, and money.

Post: #25

Theese bitches forgot a key lesson: pussy is fungible.

As far as guys are concerned, there is no difference whatsoever between a stripper you can't fuck and a hot, barely clothed bartender that you also can't fuck. If your only skillset in life is being hot, you shouldn't be shocked at hot easily supplanted you are by younger/hotter/tighter women.