Post: #1

So I've taken the big step and am getting a Temporary Residence Visa in Ukraine, committing to buckling down here for at least 6 months to continue to understand the mysterious creature that is the Ukrainian woman and continue to rack up notches.

I have to leave Ukraine for a month over the holidays for it to work, probably around December 20th - January 20th, and am looking for a cool place to go in the meantime. While there, I can pick up my Visa at a foreign embassy.

SE Asia is kind of far and an expensive flight. Manila looks amazing but can't dish out all my airline miles right now. But fuck it looks good over there.

Considered Egypt to see Pyramids and other cool shit, but it looks like if you're not at a resort banging Euros, it's a waste. I'm generally open to all suggestions.

Friends of mine are going to Belgrade for NYE, but it kind of feels like a waste of an opportunity to go somewhere crazy and new. Anybody know if the culture is that different in Serbia?

Looking for a particularly cheap place where the dollar is strong, maybe some cool sites to explore, and of course plant a flag and rack up some notches. Decent party for NYE is a bonus, not totally necessary though. Race of girls doesn't matter with me, I'm a white Slavic dude (5'11", athletic) and I seem to do okay with all nationalities.

Suggestions?

Post: #2

You're in the wrong region to "rack up notches". It was not easy but Budapest was much easier than Kiev for me. That's the only cheap place nearby I can think of.

Post: #3

Chisinau is a couple hours away and pretty cheap. If that doesn't work, there's always Bucharest.

You can also hit up Sevastopol, but that would likely create problems for your Ukrainian visa process.

Post: #4

It depends on your preferred type. For example, as usual like 90% italian men who are obsessed with blondes. I ended up liking Vilnius and a lot. There are a lot of white, blonde, blue-eyed girls and not so much diversity compared to big countries.

Dark skinned Italian immediately sticks out and I always do great. Plus, these countries are pretty cheap too. I used to go to Stockholm a lot 10 years ago but it's way more pricey than Baltics and lately, I've been hearing that Stockholm is overrun by different nationalities.

Post: #5

(12-01-2017 08:22 PM)Rossi Wrote:  It depends on your preferred type. For example, as usual like 90% italian men who are obsessed with blondes. I ended up liking Vilnius and a lot. There are a lot of white, blonde, blue-eyed girls and not so much diversity compared to big countries.

Dark skinned Italian immediately sticks out and I always do great. Plus, these countries are pretty cheap too. I used to go to Stockholm a lot 10 years ago but it's way more pricey than Baltics and lately, I've been hearing that Stockholm is overrun by different nationalities.

Vilnius is a great place to party that's close to Ukraine, although OP specifically asked for cheap places where the dollar is strong.

Minsk is also nearby and cheaper than Vilnius, but it's not that cheap and getting a visa is a hassle, although not impossible.

Post: #6

(12-01-2017 07:32 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  Friends of mine are going to Belgrade for NYE, but it kind of feels like a waste of an opportunity to go somewhere crazy and new. Anybody know if the culture is that different in Serbia?

I spent some time in Belgrade over the summer. Serbia is more similar to Hungary than it is to Ukraine: Belgrade is basically a poor man's Budapest. I liked it, but it was similar enough to Budapest (where I currently live) to not really impress me. It also seemed like it was a little more expensive than Budapest.

Aside from Belgrade, I'd second Shimmy's Budapest recommendation, particularly now that most of the British stag parties are gone. The winter weather in Hungary is also milder than the rest of central/eastern Europe.

I'm personally looking to go to a Mediterranean country (likely Portugal/Spain or Cyprus, possibly Italy or Malta) in the next month because high season at my job is ending and I want to get out of the cold for a bit.

Also, what was the process like getting a Ukrainian visa?

Post: #7

Check out the Baltic countries, since you're so close. Tallinn, or Riga. !
I don't feel like either are expensive, very reasonable, but I've never been to Riga and I hear it's even more affordable there.
I've talked to a few people that have been to Minsk, but they did not recommend going.

Post: #8

Be wary that you’ll be getting even less daytime in the Baltics than in Ukraine.

Post: #9

(12-02-2017 07:01 PM)Matt Forney Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 07:32 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  Friends of mine are going to Belgrade for NYE, but it kind of feels like a waste of an opportunity to go somewhere crazy and new. Anybody know if the culture is that different in Serbia?

I spent some time in Belgrade over the summer. Serbia is more similar to Hungary than it is to Ukraine: Belgrade is basically a poor man's Budapest. I liked it, but it was similar enough to Budapest (where I currently live) to not really impress me. It also seemed like it was a little more expensive than Budapest.

Aside from Belgrade, I'd second Shimmy's Budapest recommendation, particularly now that most of the British stag parties are gone. The winter weather in Hungary is also milder than the rest of central/eastern Europe.

I'm personally looking to go to a Mediterranean country (likely Portugal/Spain or Cyprus, possibly Italy or Malta) in the next month because high season at my job is ending and I want to get out of the cold for a bit.

Also, what was the process like getting a Ukrainian visa?

Thanks for the reply Matt.

The process for getting a Temporary Residence Visa is pretty easy here. It lasts for three years and allows you to travel in an out of Ukraine at your leisure, making it easy to set up shop here.

It's not the cheapest thing in the world as it involves setting up a company (roughly a $1000 expense) and then paying taxes and bookkeeping fees each month (roughly $100). Supposedly, you can reduce those bookkeeping fees by finding other people to do them (not a law office), or simply stop paying them altogether and start another company after your current Visa runs out at the end of your three years. That said, I cannot verify that just yet.

I'm having a lawyer do everything. If you'd like, I can pass on their info.

All things considered, it's a great deal if you're from the USA and need a semi-permanent base in EE.

Post: #10

(12-01-2017 09:16 AM)edlefou Wrote:  Chisinau is a couple hours away and pretty cheap. If that doesn't work, there's always Bucharest.

You can also hit up Sevastopol, but that would likely create problems for your Ukrainian visa process.

DAMN! Chisinau looks like the move. Just a little more expensive than Lviv (how is that even possible) and the potential of even cuter chicks. That's wild. I'm really not trying to spend much extra cash while I'm bulking up my savings and business funds.

Come to think of it, one of the best chicks I have ever laid was Moldovan, I met her in Amsterdam. This is very tempting now.

Have you been there bro?

Post: #11

(12-11-2017 12:01 PM)ArloDash Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 09:16 AM)edlefou Wrote:  Chisinau is a couple hours away and pretty cheap. If that doesn't work, there's always Bucharest.

You can also hit up Sevastopol, but that would likely create problems for your Ukrainian visa process.

DAMN! Chisinau looks like the move. Just a little more expensive than Lviv (how is that even possible) and the potential of even cuter chicks. That's wild. I'm really not trying to spend much extra cash while I'm bulking up my savings and business funds.

Come to think of it, one of the best chicks I have ever laid was Moldovan, I met her in Amsterdam. This is very tempting now.

Have you been there bro?

I've only spent a few days there in the summer. There is talent there and the prices are low, but it's also run-down in many places.

There are some data sheets available if you search the forum.

Post: #12

(12-11-2017 10:13 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  The process for getting a Temporary Residence Visa is pretty easy here. It lasts for three years and allows you to travel in an out of Ukraine at your leisure, making it easy to set up shop here.

It's not the cheapest thing in the world as it involves setting up a company (roughly a $1000 expense) and then paying taxes and bookkeeping fees each month (roughly $100). Supposedly, you can reduce those bookkeeping fees by finding other people to do them (not a law office), or simply stop paying them altogether and start another company after your current Visa runs out at the end of your three years. That said, I cannot verify that just yet.

I'm having a lawyer do everything. If you'd like, I can pass on their info.

I wish it was that simple.

Setting up a company doesn't give you access to Temporary Permanent Residency, it only gives you a business visa (with the 90/180 days rule).

To get the TPR, you need to have a work permit, i.e being a employee of this company (which means that you must pay a salary to yourself - that will be taxed). Keep in mind that the company's capital must reflect the director (your)'s salary, and there is from what I know - but it might be a false rumor - a new work permit regulation (Sept 2017), with a minimum salary requirement for foreign employees of 32,000 grivs (approximately 1000 €). There are anyway minimum salary protections.

Also the company needs to have a legal adress (business center, which adds to the monthly costs) and a "minimum activity" (income) -if it's just a sleeping company your work permit might be voided or not renewed (you have to go to the taxes offices every three months so that they check your activity). Of course, yourself also need a legal adress, which means that you must have a long-term lease with registration.

As a side note, there's actually a three years business visa, but there's no TPR for three years. It is issued for one year, renewable, period.

If you really want to get a TPR (and after two years a Permanent Residency), marry a babushka and pay her a monthly compensation, it's much more simple.

Post: #13

(12-13-2017 02:01 AM)Count Pierre Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 10:13 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  The process for getting a Temporary Residence Visa is pretty easy here. It lasts for three years and allows you to travel in an out of Ukraine at your leisure, making it easy to set up shop here.

It's not the cheapest thing in the world as it involves setting up a company (roughly a $1000 expense) and then paying taxes and bookkeeping fees each month (roughly $100). Supposedly, you can reduce those bookkeeping fees by finding other people to do them (not a law office), or simply stop paying them altogether and start another company after your current Visa runs out at the end of your three years. That said, I cannot verify that just yet.

I'm having a lawyer do everything. If you'd like, I can pass on their info.

I wish it was that simple.

Setting up a company doesn't give you access to Temporary Permanent Residency, it only gives you a business visa (with the 90/180 days rule).

To get the TPR, you need to have a work permit, i.e being a employee of this company (which means that you must pay a salary to yourself - that will be taxed). Keep in mind that the company's capital must reflect the director (your)'s salary, and there is from what I know - but it might be a false rumor - a new work permit regulation (Sept 2017), with a minimum salary requirement for foreign employees of 32,000 grivs (approximately 1000 €). There are anyway minimum salary protections.

Also the company needs to have a legal adress (business center, which adds to the monthly costs) and a "minimum activity" (income) -if it's just a sleeping company your work permit might be voided or not renewed (you have to go to the taxes offices every three months so that they check your activity). Of course, yourself also need a legal adress, which means that you must have a long-term lease with registration.

As a side note, there's actually a three years business visa, but there's no TPR for three years. It is issued for one year, renewable, period.

If you really want to get a TPR (and after two years a Permanent Residency), marry a babushka and pay her a monthly compensation, it's much more simple.

It's Ukraine dude. The law is interpreted quite differently depending on who working it for you. It may say one thing in terms of the letter of the law, but just ask many of the expats you meet here how they're doing it and they'll tell you. None are married to babushkas, either.

You're correct about the paid salary, but it's basically just a matter of moving funds into one account and paying a bookkeeper to give them back to you each month. From what I understand, you can also set up a transfer that just pays in your salary the month prior.

It's one of my favorite things about this place...anything is possible.

Post: #14

(12-11-2017 10:13 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 07:01 PM)Matt Forney Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 07:32 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  Friends of mine are going to Belgrade for NYE, but it kind of feels like a waste of an opportunity to go somewhere crazy and new. Anybody know if the culture is that different in Serbia?

I spent some time in Belgrade over the summer. Serbia is more similar to Hungary than it is to Ukraine: Belgrade is basically a poor man's Budapest. I liked it, but it was similar enough to Budapest (where I currently live) to not really impress me. It also seemed like it was a little more expensive than Budapest.

Aside from Belgrade, I'd second Shimmy's Budapest recommendation, particularly now that most of the British stag parties are gone. The winter weather in Hungary is also milder than the rest of central/eastern Europe.

I'm personally looking to go to a Mediterranean country (likely Portugal/Spain or Cyprus, possibly Italy or Malta) in the next month because high season at my job is ending and I want to get out of the cold for a bit.

Also, what was the process like getting a Ukrainian visa?

Thanks for the reply Matt.

The process for getting a Temporary Residence Visa is pretty easy here. It lasts for three years and allows you to travel in an out of Ukraine at your leisure, making it easy to set up shop here.

It's not the cheapest thing in the world as it involves setting up a company (roughly a $1000 expense) and then paying taxes and bookkeeping fees each month (roughly $100). Supposedly, you can reduce those bookkeeping fees by finding other people to do them (not a law office), or simply stop paying them altogether and start another company after your current Visa runs out at the end of your three years. That said, I cannot verify that just yet.

I'm having a lawyer do everything. If you'd like, I can pass on their info.

All things considered, it's a great deal if you're from the USA and need a semi-permanent base in EE.

Talking about setting a semi-permanent base in EE:

From your description of Ukraine, it's easier and cheaper to start a company, and get residency, in Bulgaria (some friends of mine are into this business), and Bulgaria has the added advantage of being in the EU. It's also just as cheap as Ukraine...

Post: #15

(12-14-2017 04:55 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  It's Ukraine dude....anything is possible.

Well, was just trying to help, "dude", as it seems that your "lawyer" gives you weird (to say the least) advices. Four things are certain:

1 - With your business visa, you will not be eligible to the Temporary Permanent Residency (TPR) as you pretend. It will just allow you to "do business" in Ukraine, but not to overstay, i.e you'll have to respect the 90/180 days rule (as in Russia for that matter, where a business visa doesn't give you the temporary residency). If your goal is to live in Ukraine semi permanently without worrying about the 90/180 days rule, it's a totally useless visa.

2 - The only way to get the TPR is with a "D Visa". You can get a D Visa solely by:

- Working in Ukraine (i.e getting a work permit)
- Investing 100 K € in the ukrainian economy
- Marrying a ukrainian citizen

By just setting up a sleeping company, and without work permit, you are not eligible to the D Visa.

3 - If you set up a company, and pay a salary to yourself to get the work permit, the capital must reflect the director (your)'s salary, and it seems, as I said, that there is a new regulation with a minimum salary requirement for foreign employees of 32,000 grivs (1000 €). You will BTW be taxed on your salary. The company must also have a "minimum activity" (income). And of course, if the company stops paying you, you will technically not "working" anymore in Ukraine, and your TPR will be voided.

4 - Your following statement that the TPR "lasts three years" is total BS ; it's issued for one year, renewable, period. If your "lawyer" says otherwise, change lawyer.

(12-11-2017 10:13 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  The process for getting a Temporary Residence Visa is pretty easy here. It lasts for three years

There is no way you can derogate to those rules. If you think you can, and that "anything is possible" in Ukraine, good luck.

Post: #16

(12-14-2017 05:10 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 10:13 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 07:01 PM)Matt Forney Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 07:32 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  Friends of mine are going to Belgrade for NYE, but it kind of feels like a waste of an opportunity to go somewhere crazy and new. Anybody know if the culture is that different in Serbia?

I spent some time in Belgrade over the summer. Serbia is more similar to Hungary than it is to Ukraine: Belgrade is basically a poor man's Budapest. I liked it, but it was similar enough to Budapest (where I currently live) to not really impress me. It also seemed like it was a little more expensive than Budapest.

Aside from Belgrade, I'd second Shimmy's Budapest recommendation, particularly now that most of the British stag parties are gone. The winter weather in Hungary is also milder than the rest of central/eastern Europe.

I'm personally looking to go to a Mediterranean country (likely Portugal/Spain or Cyprus, possibly Italy or Malta) in the next month because high season at my job is ending and I want to get out of the cold for a bit.

Also, what was the process like getting a Ukrainian visa?

Thanks for the reply Matt.

The process for getting a Temporary Residence Visa is pretty easy here. It lasts for three years and allows you to travel in an out of Ukraine at your leisure, making it easy to set up shop here.

It's not the cheapest thing in the world as it involves setting up a company (roughly a $1000 expense) and then paying taxes and bookkeeping fees each month (roughly $100). Supposedly, you can reduce those bookkeeping fees by finding other people to do them (not a law office), or simply stop paying them altogether and start another company after your current Visa runs out at the end of your three years. That said, I cannot verify that just yet.

I'm having a lawyer do everything. If you'd like, I can pass on their info.

All things considered, it's a great deal if you're from the USA and need a semi-permanent base in EE.

Talking about setting a semi-permanent base in EE:

From your description of Ukraine, it's easier and cheaper to start a company, and get residency, in Bulgaria (some friends of mine are into this business), and Bulgaria has the added advantage of being in the EU. It's also just as cheap as Ukraine...

But is Bulgaria comparable to Ukraine in other factors?
Namely, women? I don't believe so.

Post: #17

^Granted, Bulgaria is not as good as Ukraine with regards to women, except maybe within the 18-23 years old university students' demographics, in main cities.

Go for example to Varna main Economics university, you'll see there as much quality as in any Kiev university... but after 23, hot Bulgarian chicks go to wealthier countries, only coming back in Summer for partying hard on the Black Sea coast... Hot Ukrainian chicks do the same, by the way, but some do remain in Ukraine for a few months (or even years, if oligarch-daddy gives them a State job) after university, opening up a small window of opportunity for gamers.

In any case, EE women have more and more options each year, there's almost nothing left to leverage anymore.

So eventually, as hinted to on this thread, within three or four years, yes it'll be about the same level of difficulty, gaming in Ukraine or France or Germany. Open borders mean hot chicks rejoice (unless a "Turk pretending to be Syrian" migrant rapes them of course) and flee to Western capitals to put their pussies to real-money use.

Post: #18

(12-14-2017 06:40 AM)Count Pierre Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 04:55 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  It's Ukraine dude....anything is possible.

Well, was just trying to help, "dude", as it seems that your "lawyer" gives you weird (to say the least) advices. Four things are certain:

1 - With your business visa, you will not be eligible to the Temporary Permanent Residency (TPR) as you pretend. It will just allow you to "do business" in Ukraine, but not to overstay, i.e you'll have to respect the 90/180 days rule (as in Russia for that matter, where a business visa doesn't give you the temporary residency). If your goal is to live in Ukraine semi permanently without worrying about the 90/180 days rule, it's a totally useless visa.

2 - The only way to get the TPR is with a "D Visa". You can get a D Visa solely by:

- Working in Ukraine (i.e getting a work permit)
- Investing 100 K € in the ukrainian economy
- Marrying a ukrainian citizen

By just setting up a sleeping company, and without work permit, you are not eligible to the D Visa.

3 - If you set up a company, and pay a salary to yourself to get the work permit, the capital must reflect the director (your)'s salary, and it seems, as I said, that there is a new regulation with a minimum salary requirement for foreign employees of 32,000 grivs (1000 €). You will BTW be taxed on your salary. The company must also have a "minimum activity" (income). And of course, if the company stops paying you, you will technically not "working" anymore in Ukraine, and your TPR will be voided.

4 - Your following statement that the TPR "lasts three years" is total BS ; it's issued for one year, renewable, period. If your "lawyer" says otherwise, change lawyer.

(12-11-2017 10:13 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  The process for getting a Temporary Residence Visa is pretty easy here. It lasts for three years

There is no way you can derogate to those rules. If you think you can, and that "anything is possible" in Ukraine, good luck.

Why are you mad bro?

I'm not a lawyer. Yeah, I don't know tons of technical legal jargon. I pay other people to do that for me. That's cool you know this shit, I guess?

I am getting a D-Visa by way of a work permit, you are correct.

Yes, you pay in a small share of capital to your company's bank account that you pay a bookkeeper to pay back to you. You get taxed. Big deal? The price is negligible, hence the roughly $80 a month I was speaking of. The dollar is strong and the Hryvnia weak. I know multiple people who claim to have done this process and stopped paying themselves a salary altogether and the Ukrainian government has not gone after them, nor has it prevented them from coming and going out of the border. I can't verify that, but it's what I've heard thus far.

In terms of TPR not lasting three years...okay? I'm assuming they renew it for you automatically then, but I'll be sure to ask. You're really splitting hairs here brah.

Post: #19

(12-14-2017 05:10 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 10:13 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 07:01 PM)Matt Forney Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 07:32 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  Friends of mine are going to Belgrade for NYE, but it kind of feels like a waste of an opportunity to go somewhere crazy and new. Anybody know if the culture is that different in Serbia?

I spent some time in Belgrade over the summer. Serbia is more similar to Hungary than it is to Ukraine: Belgrade is basically a poor man's Budapest. I liked it, but it was similar enough to Budapest (where I currently live) to not really impress me. It also seemed like it was a little more expensive than Budapest.

Aside from Belgrade, I'd second Shimmy's Budapest recommendation, particularly now that most of the British stag parties are gone. The winter weather in Hungary is also milder than the rest of central/eastern Europe.

I'm personally looking to go to a Mediterranean country (likely Portugal/Spain or Cyprus, possibly Italy or Malta) in the next month because high season at my job is ending and I want to get out of the cold for a bit.

Also, what was the process like getting a Ukrainian visa?

Thanks for the reply Matt.

The process for getting a Temporary Residence Visa is pretty easy here. It lasts for three years and allows you to travel in an out of Ukraine at your leisure, making it easy to set up shop here.

It's not the cheapest thing in the world as it involves setting up a company (roughly a $1000 expense) and then paying taxes and bookkeeping fees each month (roughly $100). Supposedly, you can reduce those bookkeeping fees by finding other people to do them (not a law office), or simply stop paying them altogether and start another company after your current Visa runs out at the end of your three years. That said, I cannot verify that just yet.

I'm having a lawyer do everything. If you'd like, I can pass on their info.

All things considered, it's a great deal if you're from the USA and need a semi-permanent base in EE.

Talking about setting a semi-permanent base in EE:

From your description of Ukraine, it's easier and cheaper to start a company, and get residency, in Bulgaria (some friends of mine are into this business), and Bulgaria has the added advantage of being in the EU. It's also just as cheap as Ukraine...

That's a good point, but, does that allow you free access to the EU like a passport would? If so, that's a very worthwhile investment...I'm currently banned from England and would quite like to go back haha.

Then again, as is discussed in this thread, this could very well be the last hurrah for Ukraine, so I'm getting while the getting is good.

Post: #20

(12-15-2017 09:34 PM)ArloDash Wrote:  You're really splitting hairs here brah.

Well, IMHO no. I tried to be of added-value.

If you suggest opening a company as a basis for getting a TPR, you should also detail the positives and negatives of this process and fill the thread with substantive information. Then it's really useful to other members who could be interested by this visa scheme.

You didn't talk about the work permit until now BTW. So I assume you have a status of tax resident and a tax ID, and also a registration (propiska) ? ....how did you deal with the official adress of the company, a business center - at what cost? ....and was it easy to open the bank accounts ? at which bank did you open yours? .....so the Sept 2017 new work permit regulation for a minimum salary requirement for foreign employees is not effective yet ? .... and what is the frequency of accounting reports to tax authorities ? ....how long is your work permit valid ? ....your lawyer didn't t warn you that the company had to have a real income? ..broad purposes being forbidden, what is your company's purpose ? ..... ect ect

Post: #21

(12-16-2017 05:19 AM)Count Pierre Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 09:34 PM)ArloDash Wrote:  You're really splitting hairs here brah.

Well, IMHO no. I tried to be of added-value.

If you suggest opening a company as a basis for getting a TPR, you should also detail the positives and negatives of this process and fill the thread with substantive information. Then it's really useful to other members who could be interested by this visa scheme.

You didn't talk about the work permit until now BTW. So I assume you have a status of tax resident and a tax ID, and also a registration (propiska) ? ....how did you deal with the official adress of the company, a business center - at what cost? ....and was it easy to open the bank accounts ? at which bank did you open yours? .....so the Sept 2017 new work permit regulation for a minimum salary requirement for foreign employees is not effective yet ? .... and what is the frequency of accounting reports to tax authorities ? ....how long is your work permit valid ? ....your lawyer didn't t warn you that the company had to have a real income? ..broad purposes being forbidden, what is your company's purpose ? ..... ect ect

It's all good, I get it.

Yes, the first step involved a tax ID number. I signed POA to my lawyer, I imagine they have a means of creating an address for the company, just as one can buy a fake "residence," here. Bank accounts are also handled through the firm and bookkeeper, which was set up before I joined up with my friend who had already set them up.

From what I understand, I pay in a percentage of share capital to cover my salary and then it's taxed as the bookkeeper "pays" me. An American account is fine for this, from what I understand.

We do "consulting." Work permit is valid for three years.

Post: #22

(12-14-2017 06:40 AM)Count Pierre Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 04:55 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  It's Ukraine dude....anything is possible.

Well, was just trying to help, "dude", as it seems that your "lawyer" gives you weird (to say the least) advices. Four things are certain:

1 - With your business visa, you will not be eligible to the Temporary Permanent Residency (TPR) as you pretend. It will just allow you to "do business" in Ukraine, but not to overstay, i.e you'll have to respect the 90/180 days rule (as in Russia for that matter, where a business visa doesn't give you the temporary residency). If your goal is to live in Ukraine semi permanently without worrying about the 90/180 days rule, it's a totally useless visa.

2 - The only way to get the TPR is with a "D Visa". You can get a D Visa solely by:

- Working in Ukraine (i.e getting a work permit)
- Investing 100 K € in the ukrainian economy
- Marrying a ukrainian citizen

By just setting up a sleeping company, and without work permit, you are not eligible to the D Visa.

3 - If you set up a company, and pay a salary to yourself to get the work permit, the capital must reflect the director (your)'s salary, and it seems, as I said, that there is a new regulation with a minimum salary requirement for foreign employees of 32,000 grivs (1000 €). You will BTW be taxed on your salary. The company must also have a "minimum activity" (income). And of course, if the company stops paying you, you will technically not "working" anymore in Ukraine, and your TPR will be voided.

4 - Your following statement that the TPR "lasts three years" is total BS ; it's issued for one year, renewable, period. If your "lawyer" says otherwise, change lawyer.

(12-11-2017 10:13 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  The process for getting a Temporary Residence Visa is pretty easy here. It lasts for three years

There is no way you can derogate to those rules. If you think you can, and that "anything is possible" in Ukraine, good luck.

Update: I'm still here, everything worked totally fine. I've left the country and come back in multiple times and have a temporary residence permit that I use to get in and out of the country. This guy does not know what he's talking about.