Post: #1

Greetings,

(hope this is the right place to post)

Little background: Coming out of a 4 year BAD LTR. Decided to get into game since my dating history is very minimal. I just wanted to write a little bit about my experiences so far about 4-5 months in.

Disclaimer: I am considered very attractive by the opposite sex - I'm 6', under 10% BF with large muscles (bench 315, DL near 500lbs, etc) so pretty experienced natural lifter, have a good income in my city and nice place. I am also 26 FWIW. Just wanted to throw that out there as I feel it puts it into context.

1st girl was a girl who worked at my gym. Super fit 19 year old with rockin' body, kinda dumb with tattoos, etc. Great time for sure and great in bed. How I lost this one is I started acting beta. I believe this has a lot to do with my mindset as I was just exiting a 4 year LTR so I was very much in the mindset of LTR style game. This was simply too much for her, especially being that she was young she ultimately moved on. Oh well, it was very fun while it lasted.

During that time I had a three some with her and another cute fitness chick from the gym. The best part is it was their idea and invited me to do it. At this point I still had not developed ANY game. I am just naturally an Alpha and pretty aloof but I will admit this first girl got the best of me. Blaming that on lack of experience and her addicting body LOL.

After the 1st girl left I started talking to a 3rd girl from the gym mainly using snapchat. Eventually got her to start hanging out with me and led to a bang but she was very bland in bed and kinda a prude. That sort of fizzled out as she immediately started asking about a relationship...

So now, I decided I really need to learn how to meet girls. Started using Tinder and Bumble to avoid a dry spell:

Ended up meeting this cute 21 year old who started coming over to my place right away. Less than average sex quality but she is a decent side piece until I can hone my game in. She told me that I have NO GAME and then insists how these beta males who are hitting her up on IG with all these sappy messages about how beautiful she is have "game" I laugh to myself because shes with me and even setup her find my friends so I can track her location should I want to. LOL even if I don't have rock solid game it is still better then those guys...

From there I started going out with my best friend who is an experienced player and he has been mentoring me. I got 4 #'s during night game all of which have turned into dates but I have not closed any of them, yet. Up until recently my actual dating game is very weak. Very platonic up until the last 2 dates where I finally started to get the hang of it...

So for my business, I traveled to Austin, TX. A very liberal city relative to TX. Anyways, decided my goal was to get a ONS. I immediately jumped on Bumble and had a few girls willing to meet up. Picked the best looking one and did the typical 2 venue ordeal and then bounced back to my hotel after making out with her in the street. Ended up hanging out with her my entire stay there. Very conservative girl, no ink or weird piercings, extremely feminine, etc. I was overall impressed with the quality of the girls in TX compared to where I'm from (smaller city in NY)

BIGGEST takeaway: ROCK SOLID LOGISTICS IS KEY. Yes, we already knew that but after seeing it play I am forever convinced this is the easiest & quickest way. Also didn't hurt I was at the JW Marriott downtown.

Another takeaway: I think it is possible gaming in liberal cities with a lot of beta men makes it easy if you are a muscular/masculine dude.

Last night I took a girl out I met the other week during the night. Cute blonde girl (prob an 8), with serious good girl tendencies. This date went pretty well except I sorta messed up trying to escalate the conversation sexually, she did not really seem to into it. Either way did some physical escalation and closed it with a kiss. Plans to see her again.

So all in now I've slept with only 5 girls in the past 4 months. I know if my game skills were better developed that # could probably at least 7-8. In this time I've direct approached a few gym girls (my type) but unfortunately they were engaged/not single. Now I just try to be friendly with them when I see them.

Key takeaways:
- Get big & lean
- Dress like you're somebody + grooming on point
- Just to do it. Make your moves, talk to girls, don't be a pussy.

Where I need to improve:
- Being more aggressive during nightgame ( get more #'s)
- Get better on the actual dates and make sure logistics are as good as possible
- Not settling for anything less than a 7 at this point

I have a bunch more thoughts and things I've noticed too but I will save that for another thread.

Thanks for reading,

Post: #2

Nice work. You already have a big leg up with your naturally good looks — that's the most important part for online.

You have to be careful to not let your looks hamstring you and make you get lazy about Game. With proper Game, you can slay 8s and 9s on the regular. It will take work, but it's only possible with a certain looks level.

Post: #3

Sounds like you are relying 90% on your looks and physique to be successful with women. That will help you for a while, but what happens when both of those qualities fade?

One thing about getting phone numbers in night game is that although it will give you a quick ego boost, there's a good chance that they won't lead to anything.

The positives are you're putting yourself out there and willing to take risks, which in turn have resulted in bangs. Great start.

Now, what you need is repetition. Go on plenty of dates. Try new things. Learn from your successes as well as your failures.

Edit: Should be in the Newbie Forum.

Post: #4

Keep posting. Closest thing to the “Chad Thundercock” trope I’ve seen espoused on this board.

Happy to see you are playing to your strengths though. Online game will be an excellent pipeline for you to maintain regular access to pussy while you cut your teeth in nightgame.

Seconding that this should be in the Newbie Forum.

Post: #5

If you really are alpha then you will take this in a positive way (or completely disregard) but not get butthurt-

I fail to see where your game lies apart from realizing the importance of logistics.

You are already pre-selected from your description.

- fit
- handsome
- tall
- good money

What girls consider game is not game and to take what they think as advice or word is to attribute a level of expertise to them which is non-existent.

Your situation sounds like calling a guy who has passive income, hard-working. Does he make money? Sure. Is he working hard? No, he set up a system to generate income.

It's not a good or bad thing but it's incorrect to call him 'hard-working'.

I write this to give you something to work on.

Use your pre-selection and basically run 'don't fuck it up' game.

When a girl sees you, she is already fantasizing shit about who you are, might be, how you fuck, how much money etc.

So just be aloof and run the frame while steering the interaction.

Throw in some good banter, humour, understanding of body language, timing of touching and how to create a sexual bubble filled with inside jokes and you will be a killer.

Some girls will be more open with their sexuality, others not so much. Game will see you figure this out on the fly and get laid.

Thing is, when you are attractive, girls minds have gone crazy enough that you will have a bit more of anti-slut defence (read: moral compass) to handle in public. In private, it's fine. In public, you gotta just channel that.

Your improvement points are solid, keep working on it.

Don't worry about the scale of girls, if wanna fuck 6s and stuff that's fine; you'll notice different hotness of women respond to different stimulus.

The most solid point for me, is that you are aware of your self-worth. If all guys realized this, a lot more sex would be happening.

Keep it up and welcome to the forum.

Post: #6

Thanks guys for the positive input, everyone. Not trying to "boast" although I can see how it came across that way but I just wanted to give some context. Yes, at this point I am relying on my looks for the initial interaction. "Chad Thundercock" made me LOL

So to speak I have very basic game right now but I am not beta in the sense of needy, clingy, etc. I practice abundance mentality after I learned my lesson with the first gym chick. I am not relying or counting on any one specific girl.

If i had to describe the game I have been running up until last weekend when I got my first ONS was: aloof friendly guy game

I also am understanding that my looks give me a buffer for mistakes which is not necessarily a good thing when trying to learn how to really interact with women.

I think my weakest point is building sexual attraction on dates right now. I had one date tell me " wow you're really hard to read, I couldn't tell if you were into me or not because you're so friendly". So for the next date with her I made sure to step it up and be as flirty as possible, I ended up back at her place to "meet her dog" and from there we made out a bunch but I didn't go for the lay( prob could have)...



So question to the vets: how to create a sexual bubble filled with inside jokes & how to get to sexual related topics
The touching part I am OK at and am improving each date

Post: #7

(12-14-2017 02:25 PM)desert Wrote:  If i had to describe the game I have been running up until last weekend when I got my first ONS was: aloof friendly guy game

I think my weakest point is building sexual attraction on dates right now. I had one date tell me " wow you're really hard to read, I couldn't tell if you were into me or not because you're so friendly". So for the next date with her I made sure to step it up and be as flirty as possible, I ended up back at her place to "meet her dog" and from there we made out a bunch but I didn't go for the lay( prob could have)...

So question to the vets: how to create a sexual bubble filled with inside jokes & how to get to sexual related topics
The touching part I am OK at and am improving each date

The bolded statement is text book "Don't fuck up" game.

If a woman is offering to take you into her place to meet her dog, you should have been fucking her like a dog while the dog watched in the first 20 minutes. That excuse was your opportunity.

Live and learn.


When it comes to sexualizing conversation, especially if you're on a date, you need to build a level of comfort to where she isn't hesitant to discuss that topic. If you bring up sex before comfort is established, you'll probably see the typical eyes-bugging-out-of-her-head for a brief second, and/or a nervous laugh while breaking eye contact.

I mentioned before you need to learn through trial and error, so give it a whirl when you think you have built enough comfort.

Sometimes I'll steer the conversation to living spaces. Had this conversation with a girl during a brunch last week:

Rem: That's cool, so do you live alone or do you have roommates like everyone else in this town?
Her: Yep, I have two roommates, but I love them. We have been friends since college. What about you?
Rem: Nope, I live alone. I had two roommates before I moved out here. Living alone has been wonderful.
Her: But don't you get lonely?
Rem: Absolutely not. I have plenty of friends in the area. Plus, I can keep my place clean, don't have to worry about who hogs the TV, and I don't have to hear my old roommates have sex anymore.
Her: Tell me about it! That's the worse, I was up until 3am last night listening to my roommate moaning.
Rem: I have that same problem with the tenants who live above me. I really need to get them back due to the sleep deprivation.
Her: Only if you had someone to help you out.
Rem: I'm taking applicants.
Her: Is that so? *saying it with a shit eating grin*

Sex can pop up randomly during your interaction. I try to let it happen organically, but it's always fun to see if she takes the bait if I mention something like in my above conversation.

Post: #8

Screw these guys, keep banging hotties and posting (sorta kidding fellas).

If the guy has looks, logistics, money, and it's working...I welcome him to the forum.

For starters, it's nice to any dude who's paying attention. Besides the fact that, no matter your money fame looks whatever, women will test you and trip you up. It's inevitable.

I hearken to the celebrities being cucked or whatever thread about Chris Brown and such. Women bring down even the most alpha men. That's why men bond so well.

Keep posting and don't hesitate to describe some failures and weaknesses. Authenticity is the key to good posting.

Post: #9

If you won the genetic lottery, you can be a fat fuck, and just probe sloots. My best wing is a model. The same girl next door who puts on the "not like that" shtick he will coach into a three way gang bang. Its pretty enlightening. The discrepancy between 'NEXT SET' and continued pursuit has to be in her reciprocation to advances. TS, if you won the genetic lottery, you could likely save yourself from learning or obsessing over this shit, and just go get more girls. A lot of game is marketing on steroids. Todd debunked a lot of infield with his 'winner game' most recently.

Post: #10

(12-14-2017 04:29 PM)heavy Wrote:  Screw these guys, keep banging hotties and posting (sorta kidding fellas).

If the guy has looks, logistics, money, and it's working...I welcome him to the forum.

For starters, it's nice to any dude who's paying attention. Besides the fact that, no matter your money fame looks whatever, women will test you and trip you up. It's inevitable.

I hearken to the celebrities being cucked or whatever thread about Chris Brown and such. Women bring down even the most alpha men. That's why men bond so well.

Keep posting and don't hesitate to describe some failures and weaknesses. Authenticity is the key to good posting.

Right now I'm lacking logistics. I live in the suburbs and most of the night action is happening in the downtown area( about 25 mins away)

So if the girl lives downtown I usually go to one of my favorite bars down there for a drink. In last nights situation it was kind of weird, as we were starting to get some heavy snowfall moving in and the bar kinda closed out around 10pm.

I am going to log all of these dates in a spreadsheet. I would rate last nights a b+ overall but I made a few minor errors. Mainly when trying to bring up an sex related talk. I walked to her car and kissed her. Now I'm trying to setup a 2nd date, anyone have an solid ideas? We're in the midst of winter so it puts a damper on logistics in general.

I did have some intel on this girl prior to going on the date and her dating history is LTR's.

(12-14-2017 06:27 PM)meetjoeblack Wrote:  If you won the genetic lottery, you can be a fat fuck, and just probe sloots. My best wing is a model. The same girl next door who puts on the "not like that" shtick he will coach into a three way gang bang. Its pretty enlightening. The discrepancy between 'NEXT SET' and continued pursuit has to be in her reciprocation to advances. TS, if you won the genetic lottery, you could likely save yourself from learning or obsessing over this shit, and just go get more girls. A lot of game is marketing on steroids. Todd debunked a lot of infield with his 'winner game' most recently.

I wouldn't say I won the genetic lottery. I just put in the work required for the last 6 years and now according to most women I encounter I'm attractive. Growing up and in HS no girls even gave me a second look(short, out of shape, acne, braces, goofy hair). It was only once I started lifting and got lean/jacked is when I started to get positive attention but definitely around age 25 is when I noticed it the most, especially in the night scene.

Post: #11

(12-14-2017 04:23 PM)Remington Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 02:25 PM)desert Wrote:  If i had to describe the game I have been running up until last weekend when I got my first ONS was: aloof friendly guy game

I think my weakest point is building sexual attraction on dates right now. I had one date tell me " wow you're really hard to read, I couldn't tell if you were into me or not because you're so friendly". So for the next date with her I made sure to step it up and be as flirty as possible, I ended up back at her place to "meet her dog" and from there we made out a bunch but I didn't go for the lay( prob could have)...

So question to the vets: how to create a sexual bubble filled with inside jokes & how to get to sexual related topics
The touching part I am OK at and am improving each date

The bolded statement is text book "Don't fuck up" game.

If a woman is offering to take you into her place to meet her dog, you should have been fucking her like a dog while the dog watched in the first 20 minutes. That excuse was your opportunity.


Live and learn.


When it comes to sexualizing conversation, especially if you're on a date, you need to build a level of comfort to where she isn't hesitant to discuss that topic. If you bring up sex before comfort is established, you'll probably see the typical eyes-bugging-out-of-her-head for a brief second, and/or a nervous laugh while breaking eye contact.

I mentioned before you need to learn through trial and error, so give it a whirl when you think you have built enough comfort.

Sometimes I'll steer the conversation to living spaces. Had this conversation with a girl during a brunch last week:

Rem: That's cool, so do you live alone or do you have roommates like everyone else in this town?
Her: Yep, I have two roommates, but I love them. We have been friends since college. What about you?
Rem: Nope, I live alone. I had two roommates before I moved out here. Living alone has been wonderful.
Her: But don't you get lonely?
Rem: Absolutely not. I have plenty of friends in the area. Plus, I can keep my place clean, don't have to worry about who hogs the TV, and I don't have to hear my old roommates have sex anymore.
Her: Tell me about it! That's the worse, I was up until 3am last night listening to my roommate moaning.
Rem: I have that same problem with the tenants who live above me. I really need to get them back due to the sleep deprivation.
Her: Only if you had someone to help you out.
Rem: I'm taking applicants.
Her: Is that so? *saying it with a shit eating grin*

Sex can pop up randomly during your interaction. I try to let it happen organically, but it's always fun to see if she takes the bait if I mention something like in my above conversation.

This was actually my excuse to invite myself back to her place, but needless to say she agreed with little hesitation.

I'm feeling a little bit frustrated in the sense that I'm not making enough progress (even though I probably am), I just tend to be extremely hard on myself with anything I set out to do.

I guess I am still pretty new to this so I can't honestly expect myself to be a pro in 4 months time. How long does it take to really get "good" at this stuff, whatever that means? I sometimes wonder if I don't have the personality for this stuff...[/b]

Post: #12

Some guys who are heavy into "game" would argue that it's not even "game" if you are much more good looking than the girl, and you are jacked.

I disagree with that because you can still fuck it up but that's just it, all you need is don't fuck it up "game". You get so much credit from your physique, especially in the West where looks in men matter a lot more, that you can make tons of mistakes and still get the lay.

You're also using online apps which other guys wouldn't regard as "game", but while you're developing your real life skills, online is a good source only for very good looking, jacked guys, so you're doing the right thing there.

In your situation I'd get logistics sorted, that is absolutely key, meet more girls from every single source possible and focus on killer instinct closing skills. Whether you say this or that specific line at this or that specific point in the interaction, closer to "game" theory stuff, is a lot less relevant to you than it is relevant to an average guy in the west competing against guys like you who has most interactions hanging by a thread until he bangs, and bangs very well at that.

Post: #13

(12-14-2017 07:04 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  Some guys who are heavy into "game" would argue that it's not even "game" if you are much more good looking than the girl, and you are jacked.

I disagree with that because you can still fuck it up but that's just it, all you need is don't fuck it up "game". You get so much credit from your physique, especially in the West where looks in men matter a lot more, that you can make tons of mistakes and still get the lay.

You're also using online apps which other guys wouldn't regard as "game", but while you're developing your real life skills, online is a good source only for very good looking, jacked guys, so you're doing the right thing there.

In your situation I'd get logistics sorted, that is absolutely key, meet more girls from every single source possible and focus on killer instinct closing skills. Whether you say this or that specific line at this or that specific point in the interaction, closer to "game" theory stuff, is a lot less relevant to you than it is relevant to an average guy in the west competing against guys like you who has most interactions hanging by a thread until he bangs, and bangs very well at that.

No, online is not game but, the fact that he is pulling and getting three some is cool. Whether or not this is actual from game versus the genetic lottery is something else altogether. The fact being that, he is pursuing better game, and maximizing the cards he has been dealt is awesome.

Post: #14

(12-14-2017 06:50 PM)desert Wrote:  I wouldn't say I won the genetic lottery. I just put in the work required for the last 6 years and now according to most women I encounter I'm attractive. Growing up and in HS no girls even gave me a second look(short, out of shape, acne, braces, goofy hair). It was only once I started lifting and got lean/jacked is when I started to get positive attention but definitely around age 25 is when I noticed it the most, especially in the night scene.

Cool. My model buddy said he has never had a dry spell. I guess this is a product of the genetic lottery. See, unless you were a fat kid, I've never heard of such transformations. There is a miscer that uses the name POUND who went from fat kid to stud. Went from round face to Abercrombie jacked looking mother fucker. Slayed a of puss. Be warned. You will blink, your twenties will be over, and women nearly hitting the wall will be seeking the ring plus white picket fence. Unless top form SMV, do not indulge. You've been warned. Avoid single moms. Do not be the cuck who raises some other man's baby. You are not putting all this time and hard work in so you can allocate resources to squandered SMV. From what you've said, it sounds like its coming along nicely.

How much would you say is game versus IOIs and looks?

Post: #15

(12-14-2017 07:04 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  Some guys who are heavy into "game" would argue that it's not even "game" if you are much more good looking than the girl, and you are jacked.

I disagree with that because you can still fuck it up but that's just it, all you need is don't fuck it up "game". You get so much credit from your physique, especially in the West where looks in men matter a lot more, that you can make tons of mistakes and still get the lay.

You're also using online apps which other guys wouldn't regard as "game", but while you're developing your real life skills, online is a good source only for very good looking, jacked guys, so you're doing the right thing there.

In your situation I'd get logistics sorted, that is absolutely key, meet more girls from every single source possible and focus on killer instinct closing skills. Whether you say this or that specific line at this or that specific point in the interaction, closer to "game" theory stuff, is a lot less relevant to you than it is relevant to an average guy in the west competing against guys like you who has most interactions hanging by a thread until he bangs, and bangs very well at that.

Yeah, my logistics are non-existent. They're only solid if we both live in the 'burbs which is pretty rare. Most girls live in the city so I setup something down there and then my goal is to usually end up back at their place. "meeting their dog" when applicable seems to be my go to. At this point I'm more hoping for a 2nd date bang for future prospects

My buddy is actually talking me out of online dating stuff and recommends meeting girls every weekend. It just sucks now that it is going into middle of winter since going out when its 20 degrees out blows. I will say fortunately I have not experienced any flakiness in either online or real life girls I've met. Maybe that is just related to the city I am in?

Fortunately, for me, my wingman(ex hardcore player) is equally good looking as myself and has an even better body. I know that sounds ridiculous to you guys... but he always would just say "its like shooting fish in a barrel, man", the main thing I'm lacking that he has is the ability to charm and flirt at the level he can do it at. HOW DO I DEVELOP THAT?

Watching him game a girl it just seemed very smooth and he knew how to hit all the right touch points etc ( at least it seemed). He also tends to tell the girls how pretty they are or attractive or compliments something they are wearing. Which kind of goes against typical red pill "game".

Thanks guys for the input. Again, I'm not trying to brag or come across as arrogant I am just keeping the details 100.

Post: #16

(12-14-2017 07:43 PM)meetjoeblack Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 06:50 PM)desert Wrote:  I wouldn't say I won the genetic lottery. I just put in the work required for the last 6 years and now according to most women I encounter I'm attractive. Growing up and in HS no girls even gave me a second look(short, out of shape, acne, braces, goofy hair). It was only once I started lifting and got lean/jacked is when I started to get positive attention but definitely around age 25 is when I noticed it the most, especially in the night scene.

Cool. My model buddy said he has never had a dry spell. I guess this is a product of the genetic lottery. See, unless you were a fat kid, I've never heard of such transformations. There is a miscer that uses the name POUND who went from fat kid to stud. Went from round face to Abercrombie jacked looking mother fucker. Slayed a of puss. Be warned. You will blink, your twenties will be over, and women nearly hitting the wall will be seeking the ring plus white picket fence. Unless top form SMV, do not indulge. You've been warned. Avoid single moms. Do not be the cuck who raises some other man's baby. You are not putting all this time and hard work in so you can allocate resources to squandered SMV. From what you've said, it sounds like its coming along nicely.

How much would you say is game versus IOIs and looks?

LOL my entire teenager years were a dry spell!

Usually when I walk into a bar I can catch 2-3 girls looking at me. Up until recently I was to big of a pussy to actually walk right over and talk to them. Ever since I did a few cold approaches in the gym I've felt that supremely boosted my confidence. (also the gym is my home turf where I feel ultra comfortable)

Actually, night game is my strongest point I'd say(relative to myself). I'm usually pretty cocky(in a funny way) and can make people laugh.
Dumb example: girls usually ask me if I have any tattoos (I don't) and my response is always "you wouldn't put a bumper sticker on a Bentley would ya?" which usually elicits a laugh.

The actual date game is my weak point right now for sure.

Post: #17

(12-14-2017 08:00 PM)desert Wrote:  LOL my entire teenager years were a dry spell!

Usually when I walk into a bar I can catch 2-3 girls looking at me. Up until recently I was to big of a pussy to actually walk right over and talk to them. Ever since I did a few cold approaches in the gym I've felt that supremely boosted my confidence. (also the gym is my home turf where I feel ultra comfortable)

Actually, night game is my strongest point I'd say(relative to myself). I'm usually pretty cocky(in a funny way) and can make people laugh.

The actual date game is my weak point right now for sure.

No gf in HS despite options and girls that liked me. It was either me being beta or just fucking it up.

The thing is, I was always unaware but, when I became more aware, IOIs were lay ups. I try to pursue because IOIs are not really cold approach. Its still female choice as is passive dating/Online.

Please keep me posted as to how this goes dude. We can bump each other and big each other up with game. Any luck with gym pickups beyond what you mentioned?

Post: #18

(12-14-2017 08:03 PM)meetjoeblack Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 08:00 PM)desert Wrote:  LOL my entire teenager years were a dry spell!

Usually when I walk into a bar I can catch 2-3 girls looking at me. Up until recently I was to big of a pussy to actually walk right over and talk to them. Ever since I did a few cold approaches in the gym I've felt that supremely boosted my confidence. (also the gym is my home turf where I feel ultra comfortable)

Actually, night game is my strongest point I'd say(relative to myself). I'm usually pretty cocky(in a funny way) and can make people laugh.

The actual date game is my weak point right now for sure.

No gf in HS despite options and girls that liked me. It was either me being beta or just fucking it up.

The thing is, I was always unaware but, when I became more aware, IOIs were lay ups. I try to pursue because IOIs are not really cold approach. Its still female choice as is passive dating/Online.

Please keep me posted as to how this goes dude. We can bump each other and big each other up with game. Any luck with gym pickups beyond what you mentioned?

In HS i was ULTRA beta. I pedestalized this girl I liked a lot while she used me as an emotional tampon and had sex with the jocks.( all of whom are washed up now, but besides the point)

I'm going to go out this weekend so first cute girl that hits me with eye contact I'm immediately approaching. Will report back

No other luck at the gym. Gym girls are super my type and are really the only girls that super turn me on. Something about strong muscular legs & ass I simply cannot resist. After hooking up with a very fit girl I will say the other girls with less impressive bodies have kinda been a let down
I like to assume that I should have reasonable chance with the really fit gym girls, but unfortunately in my area they're pretty rare.

Post: #19

(12-14-2017 08:19 PM)desert Wrote:  In HS i was ULTRA beta. I pedestalized this girl I liked a lot while she used me as an emotional tampon and had sex with the jocks.( all of whom are washed up now, but besides the point)

I'm going to go out this weekend so first cute girl that hits me with eye contact I'm immediately approaching. Will report back

No other luck at the gym. Gym girls are super my type and are really the only girls that super turn me on. Something about strong muscular legs & ass I simply cannot resist. After hooking up with a very fit girl I will say the other girls with less impressive bodies have kinda been a let down
I like to assume that I should have reasonable chance with the really fit gym girls, but unfortunately in my area they're pretty rare.

We aren't those men anymore. Better yet, the girls we would have dated back then are fat now, single moms, and are squander now. Nah. I wouldn't say besides the point. When you run into women from your past who are damaged goods now and mongoloids, it puts pickup into perspective.

Same but, I do not like puck bunnies or hood rats. I am not a fan of gym rats either. The women who are running through roiders pissing away heir best days. I know what you mean about the rarity of actually fit girls. I go often. I saw some cuck following a single mom pushing 40 around the gym. No self respect. Pretty sure, the guy didn't even workout and instead followed her around without getting a number. Likely, he has a pickup theory and zero game. It was pitiful.

Update going forward bro.

Post: #20

(12-14-2017 02:25 PM)desert Wrote:  So question to the vets: how to create a sexual bubble filled with inside jokes & how to get to sexual related topics
The touching part I am OK at and am improving each date

- Create an us vs the world mentality
- Role play
- Cold reads (assumptions which are kind of obvious)
- Future fantasy bubbles - lets go to 'exotic place' and do 'exotic fantasy things' (Tuscany and live in a cottage while we drink wine and forget about the world) -> combine this with the role play where she is someone else and so are you
- Create inside jokes about people in your surrounding, her behaviour, give her a nickname etc. I did this 7 years ago with a girl, Tarzan and Jane and she still calls me Tarzan. It basically just sets you apart.

When you are leading the above, it sets it up to be sexual.

I generally follow, upon meeting, the direct non-verbals, indirect verbals and throw in some direct verbals slowly to gauge how she responds. Once you have built the comfort and pace then it flows naturally.

Then I will throw out the 'you don't even want to imagine what I would do to you' and give them the 'look'. With silence it is powerful because it creates sexual tension. Looking at their eyes, lips, body and communicating that it is yours through implication of what you would do to them.

There's plenty of ways, go experiment and have fun. I remember I was at starbucks when I was 17 and took the 'direct' literally put the girls hand on my dick. She was shocked and I held ground and said 'look at what you did to me' and she got turned on.

Suss the girl out and see if she is down for that. Thing is, if you are handsome, you can get away with plenty and not be put in the creep category.

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(12-14-2017 07:01 PM)desert Wrote:  This was actually my excuse to invite myself back to her place, but needless to say she agreed with little hesitation.

I'm feeling a little bit frustrated in the sense that I'm not making enough progress (even though I probably am), I just tend to be extremely hard on myself with anything I set out to do.

I guess I am still pretty new to this so I can't honestly expect myself to be a pro in 4 months time. How long does it take to really get "good" at this stuff, whatever that means? I sometimes wonder if I don't have the personality for this stuff...

That's a decent enough excuse then. Way to put yourself into that situation.

Learning how to develop your conversation skills, noticing IOIs, etc, won't happen over night. It'll take a while for anybody to get good at something.

For example, if baseball comes naturally to you where you have great hand-eye coordination and a good arm, it'll be much easier than the guy next to you who can't hit the barn side of a broad.

Keep learning, read the game forum and all threads that catch your interest, and ask questions. There are a ton of guys here that will give you great advice.

Then, take that advice and apply it to real life situations.