Post: #1

OK this film is a 1991 remake of the 1962 original. Stars Nick Nolte, Robert DeNiro, Jessica Lange, and a young Juliet Lewis.

So this is a decent, 3-star suspense/thriller film and good in its own right, but the reason to watch it is some good red pill stuff and some good performances by various actors.

Nolte plays a small town lawyer who buried evidence that would have likely exonerated his client, Max Cady, played by DeNiro. Nolte is a white knight who decided society was better off if his client went to jail. So his client goes to prison for 14 years for raping an underage girl. While in prison he learns to read and figures out that Nolte screwed him and he comes back for revenge. He has also bettered himself by becoming focussed on a mission, educating himself, and strengthening his body.

The film is not great but what is great is the contrast between the two main characters. On the surface, Nolte is the good guy, seemingly successful. But he is a series of compromises, from his marriage, daughter, mistress, career, etc. Without giving away any plot details, I'll note that he also cuts corners with how he deals with the challenges in his life.

Cady on the other hand is seemingly worthless. Dirty, illiterate, no good. But he has worked to better himself and has several admirable characteristics, despite being a criminal. Patient, determined, strong, focussed, etc.

Cady comes back and instead of killing Nolte decides to patiently terrorize him by stalking the people in his life. Notably, he seduces Nolte's mistress (both mentally and physically) and his daughter (mentally). I can remember seeing these scenes before I took the red pill and was repulsed by how two different women could be seduced by such a cad (Max CADy). But I took the red pill long ago and these scenes are a little less shocking, though still demonstrating top game. I won't give away his pickups, but they are worth watching and rewatching.

Overall and enjoyable film and particularly worth watching for life and red pill aspects.

Post: #2

One of the most red pill films out there- definitely worth watching.

Post: #3

I can't name an example right now, but there are a lot of movie and TV scenes like the seductions you mentioned by Cady. A blue pill or white knight person sees them and thinks it's terrible. After you take the red pill, you realize he's offering what women really want, and start taking mental notes.

The amazing thing is that these scenes are mostly written by pure blue pill writers, and acted by blue pill actors, but somehow their artistic craft enables them to capture a realistic portrayal, even though they don't have the red pill understanding of the male-female dynamics they portray.

Post: #4

Any opinions on the 1991 vs. the 1962 version? Thanks.

Post: #5

(12-24-2017 09:59 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  he's offering what women really want

Up to a point. Women don't want a piece of their cheek chewed off. That is what grossed me out the most about that movie. It's almost as bad as Silence of the Lambs.

I am sure women at some level feel cursed by their attraction to thugs and psychopaths. It's this sort of thing that lured them into being murdered by Ted Bundy. It's probably also what wound up attracting Nicole Brown Simpson to OJ. It's not that women deserve to be abused or murdered, but the kind of guys that give them tingles are going to be far more likely to abuse or murder them than the statistical average. I think most women don't realize it or they just accept it as a fact of nature.

Post: #6

(12-27-2017 06:46 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 09:59 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  he's offering what women really want

Up to a point. Women don't want a piece of their cheek chewed off. That is what grossed me out the most about that movie. It's almost as bad as Silence of the Lambs.

I am sure women at some level feel cursed by their attraction to thugs and psychopaths. It's this sort of thing that lured them into being murdered by Ted Bundy. It's probably also what wound up attracting Nicole Brown Simpson to OJ. It's not that women deserve to be abused or murdered, but the kind of guys that give them tingles are going to be far more likely to abuse or murder them than the statistical average. I think most women don't realize it or they just accept it as a fact of nature.

I know Cady turned out bad. I was commenting more on how often I've seen acting by blue pill actors, from scripts by blue pill writers, that show things like handling AMOGs successfully, handling girl's shit tests, opening a girl, building rapport and comfort, escalating, playing bag of skittles game, and all of that. The writers have almost certainly never done these things, and probably can only write them for spies, undercover agents, and villains, but somehow they write them and the actors protray them in a way that rings true from a red pill perspective.

The writers and actors have enough skill or talent in their art to create characters they can't truly understand from a blue pill perspective. I've seen interviews where they talk about how terrible their character was behaving, and from my point of view the actor's portrayal had really good game, the kind of thing that women eat up.

Post: #7

Puckerman, I've seen both the 1962 and 1991 version.

They're about equally good, but the older one is much more good vs. evil rather than gray morality vs. gray morality. If you like your heroes antiheroes and your baddies with redeeming factors, you'll probably give the remake the edge.

(Fun fact: The soundtrack in the original was so good, Scorsese just re-used it for the remake.)