Post: #1

Late last night I decided to take a stroll down memory lane and check out some of my very old reddit/r/seduction posts from 4 years ago. I was kind of surprised I thought I would cringe but after reading through them, I came to the conclusion that my game back then was actually pretty solid. I was going on dates, I seemed to have a much better conception of the subtle cues a girl gives to tell you that she is interested and I was going on dates.

I had a lot of fun experimenting with different techniques and methods to game, there was one post where I stated that I was going to go out and try to act like a complete "Rake" and invade her mind and then I wrote a follow-up report the next day.

Here's one of my comments, I'm not saying I'm a God or anything but I have a very hard time wrapping my mind around this idea with my current level of game.

"You can talk about ANYTHING you want as long as it promotes emotional response aka feelings. Here's an example

"I just got my new car today, it's really fast and it's a rare model."

This is an example of a poor sentence when talking to a girl, it doesn't have any emotion tied to it. You listed mostly facts, this is how you would talk to a guy.

This new car I got, when I drive around in it, it reminds me of when I was younger and my dad would take me for drive in his corvette, the wind in my hair, the feeling of freedom and slight rebellion when you are pushing the speed limit and it was quality time with my dad. It's intoxicating.

This sentence evokes a lot more feeling, a girl can relate to things she did with her dad, the intoxicating feeling of being free and a bit of a rebel and her first car.

There's another thing you want to use, gossip and drama. Girls fucking love it.

Let's say you are telling a girl how you were late for work today,

"Today the traffic was bad and I was late for work. My boss was unhappy."

Once again, a factual sentence that won't evoke any emotion.

"Today I was late for work, I wasn't really late but my boss made a huge deal out of five minutes and started to blow up when I arrived, he was really angry and I ignored it which made it worse. At the end of the day he kept giving me a cold stare."

That's a hell of a lot more dramatic and as a result more interesting to a girl.

Remember though, conversation topics like these will build comfort but are not going to result in sex if this is ALL you talk about. Comfort is extremely important when it comes to women but it's only a step towards sex and not the entire stairway."

Reading posts like this got me thinking I should read some of my old journals from way back.

There was a lot of loathing in these journals and I seemed to have a hard time dealing with seducing girls and how society thinks that its weird. There were quite a few field reports from my nights out and day game adventures and I definitely had game but after the first date, I'd slip into Blue Pilled shit and she would lose interest.

This got me thinking...has my game digressed?

I'm much better socially, mentally and more grounded now but my game has been left behind with all of these other improvements. There are some reports where I read them and I say "Wow, Did I really say that?"

Reflecting back, I think "Lifestyle Game" is the trap I fell into, you improve everything but your actual skill with women which is what I have done. I've gotten confused, thinking becoming better socially and more interesting is going to improve my game with women and because I've done these things, I feel I should get a pussy pass. It doesn't work like that though, you still have to flirt..which I can't remember doing for a very long time now.

Does anyone else feel that their game was tighter years ago as to now? Why do you think that is?

Post: #2

No not even close. I had no idea what I was doing when I was younger and only got dates and girlfriends and bangs despite all of the mistakes.

Post: #3

Game is like going to the gym. If you stop for a few months/years you get fat and you have to start all over.

For me the biggest different now compared to when I first started learning game is the decrease in the number of girls I approach. Not sure if the ratios were better or if my standards were lower (probably both) but nowadays I approach less. I'm also more aware of what I'm doing.

I believe at the beginning you go through a sort of euphoria. Suddenly you experience abundance and you find yourself with more attention than you can handle but the girls are probably not as attractive as you think. Looking back at some of my early conquests they aged quite badly.

Post: #4

Fuck.
No.

Post: #5

As the years passed, I threw everything I thought I knew about game away and most of the guys on the forum that I'm close to have also.

Now it's a way of life, saying what you want, maintaining confidence, having options, and being real with yourself and with women. That's not "game" because it doesn't have to be performed or shut off, it's our way of life 24/7 and there are no illusions or masks that we walk around wearing. We are just grown men walking around finding women we want to either fuck, have a mini relationships with, or make memories with and we tell them that straight-up.

Game is sort of like a "Fake it until you Make it" thing. When someone really turns into a masculine man and knows what works and what doesn't, the feeling that he has when talking to women is much deeper than over-analytical nonsense because he lives in the moment and he's real. He's not attached to an outcome like a PUA wanting a phone number or notch, he's attached to the process, and the process is going after he wants without apology, and that's what women are really attracted to. They've been telling men how to get into their pants for the past 20 goddamn years and men have been unable to listen. What have they always said, "I want a man with confidence."

Back to the masculine and confidence thing, all men should aim to get there and they will get there by experience, failure, and overcoming most of your insecurities. Game should eventually be thrown out the window in lieu of something more real and masculine. Life teaches you that not books. It can't be learned, it has to be experienced and felt. If years and years go by and you're becoming a man more analytical with game regarding what to say, how to say it, and what to say in the future, then something is off. But if you can walk into a club and within 10 minutes know the women who like you, the women who want you but aren't available, as well as the women who like you but are passing on you because their friend likes you, then you're starting to get it. Then it just takes eye contact and smile, and straight up say what you want, "I want to go take a bath with you," and she replies, "Ok" That's not game, that's a man saying what he wants without being attached to the answer because his happiness and freedom is more important than trying to impress some broad with some bullshit and that in itself is what we call 'confidence' and what women are really attracted to.

Post: #6

Candidly, last night I was at a strip club...

I'm talking to a stripper, and I can tell she's getting interested. Not in the "hand me cash" sense, but in the "I'd probably let you take me home tonight" sense. We actually knew a bunch of girls in common. I've dated a few of them. That helped (yes, you can actually pull girls from strip clubs).

I am thinking to myself "I can't believe how fucking straight up Jedi my game is." I talked about the other strippers I've dated, how I'm all for traditional gender roles, and all kinds of other crazy shit. My conversations with women at this point are just totally off the rail. I hold absolutely nothing back. I think the girl was surprised to hear all this stuff coming out of my mouth.

Took her home and railed her. Early 20s, 5'1 and fake boobies. Absolutely fantastic.

Also... LINUX is back. Sweeeet!

Post: #7

I feel like my game got better as I grew as a man and became more confident in myself. As my career progressed and I matured, both the quality and quantity of girls increased.
I'm not afraid to admit I banged many girls in my youth that these days i wouldn't look twice at and more than a few i want to smack myself over the head for stooping to.
But i feel that's part of growing up and becoming a man. As a friend of mine says "you have to slay a few dragons before you get the princess!"

Now in my early 30's I feel at the peak of my game. I am fit, successful and have my own place, which all boosts my confidence. I have also learnt that I am happy by myself and I don't give a fuck what random girls think of me.
However I wonder sometimes what will happen when I hit the wrong side of 40? I imagine it will get harder to pull the younger girls.

But back to the OT, I find that during every relationship my game takes a bit of a backward step and it takes me a little bit of time to get back into the swing of things when I am single again. Kind of like playing a sport after you have been away from it for a while, you are a bit out of practice.

@ Hank - Pulling a stripper is on my bucket list.

Post: #8

(01-16-2018 04:58 PM)LINUX Wrote:  As the years passed, I threw everything I thought I knew about game away and most of the guys on the forum that I'm close to have also.

Now it's a way of life, saying what you want, maintaining confidence, having options, and being real with yourself and with women. That's not "game" because it doesn't have to be performed or shut off, it's our way of life 24/7 and there are no illusions or masks that we walk around wearing. We are just grown men walking around finding women we want to either fuck, have a mini relationships with, or make memories with and we tell them that straight-up.

Game is sort of like a "Fake it until you Make it" thing. When someone really turns into a masculine man and knows what works and what doesn't, the feeling that he has when talking to women is much deeper than over-analytical nonsense because he lives in the moment and he's real. He's not attached to an outcome like a PUA wanting a phone number or notch, he's attached to the process, and the process is going after he wants without apology, and that's what women are really attracted to. They've been telling men how to get into their pants for the past 20 goddamn years and men have been unable to listen. What have they always said, "I want a man with confidence."

Back to the masculine and confidence thing, all men should aim to get there and they will get there by experience, failure, and overcoming most of your insecurities. Game should eventually be thrown out the window in lieu of something more real and masculine. Life teaches you that not books. It can't be learned, it has to be experienced and felt. If years and years go by and you're becoming a man more analytical with game regarding what to say, how to say it, and what to say in the future, then something is off. But if you can walk into a club and within 10 minutes know the women who like you, the women who want you but aren't available, as well as the women who like you but are passing on you because their friend likes you, then you're starting to get it. Then it just takes eye contact and smile, and straight up say what you want, "I want to go take a bath with you," and she replies, "Ok" That's not game, that's a man saying what he wants without being attached to the answer because his happiness and freedom is more important than trying to impress some broad with some bullshit and that in itself is what we call 'confidence' and what women are really attracted to.

THIS.

Post: #9

(01-16-2018 04:58 PM)LINUX Wrote:  As the years passed, I threw everything I thought I knew about game away and most of the guys on the forum that I'm close to have also.

Now it's a way of life, saying what you want, maintaining confidence, having options, and being real with yourself and with women. That's not "game" because it doesn't have to be performed or shut off, it's our way of life 24/7 and there are no illusions or masks that we walk around wearing. We are just grown men walking around finding women we want to either fuck, have a mini relationships with, or make memories with and we tell them that straight-up.

Game is sort of like a "Fake it until you Make it" thing. When someone really turns into a masculine man and knows what works and what doesn't, the feeling that he has when talking to women is much deeper than over-analytical nonsense because he lives in the moment and he's real. He's not attached to an outcome like a PUA wanting a phone number or notch, he's attached to the process, and the process is going after he wants without apology, and that's what women are really attracted to. They've been telling men how to get into their pants for the past 20 goddamn years and men have been unable to listen. What have they always said, "I want a man with confidence."

Back to the masculine and confidence thing, all men should aim to get there and they will get there by experience, failure, and overcoming most of your insecurities. Game should eventually be thrown out the window in lieu of something more real and masculine. Life teaches you that not books. It can't be learned, it has to be experienced and felt. If years and years go by and you're becoming a man more analytical with game regarding what to say, how to say it, and what to say in the future, then something is off. But if you can walk into a club and within 10 minutes know the women who like you, the women who want you but aren't available, as well as the women who like you but are passing on you because their friend likes you, then you're starting to get it. Then it just takes eye contact and smile, and straight up say what you want, "I want to go take a bath with you," and she replies, "Ok" That's not game, that's a man saying what he wants without being attached to the answer because his happiness and freedom is more important than trying to impress some broad with some bullshit and that in itself is what we call 'confidence' and what women are really attracted to.

No Linux, that is the game, and you beat it. It's the circle of knowledge. We all inherently know how to pick up women, it's in our DNA. Somewhere along the line it was either beaten out of us or it wasn't (naturals). We go through a cycle of knowing, not knowing, learning, experiencing, learning, success, knowing.

Post: #10

No, but game was much simpler back then.

It used to be, you read Bang and another PUA bible. You go out, do xyz, then adjust for better results. Rinse and repeat for around 100 approaches.

Now it's more about managing my emotions and the girl's emotion, because getting a notch no longer give me high. Making a girl fall madly in love with me does.

It's very much like practicing martial arts IMO. At the beginning it's just about moving this arm and that leg. You get past black belt, you start to plateau for a long time. You see imperfections in your techniques everywhere no matter how well executed it is, and then you start looking for more than just physical efficiency.

Post: #11

(01-17-2018 03:11 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:58 PM)LINUX Wrote:  As the years passed, I threw everything I thought I knew about game away and most of the guys on the forum that I'm close to have also.

Now it's a way of life, saying what you want, maintaining confidence, having options, and being real with yourself and with women. That's not "game" because it doesn't have to be performed or shut off, it's our way of life 24/7 and there are no illusions or masks that we walk around wearing. We are just grown men walking around finding women we want to either fuck, have a mini relationships with, or make memories with and we tell them that straight-up.

Game is sort of like a "Fake it until you Make it" thing. When someone really turns into a masculine man and knows what works and what doesn't, the feeling that he has when talking to women is much deeper than over-analytical nonsense because he lives in the moment and he's real. He's not attached to an outcome like a PUA wanting a phone number or notch, he's attached to the process, and the process is going after he wants without apology, and that's what women are really attracted to. They've been telling men how to get into their pants for the past 20 goddamn years and men have been unable to listen. What have they always said, "I want a man with confidence."

Back to the masculine and confidence thing, all men should aim to get there and they will get there by experience, failure, and overcoming most of your insecurities. Game should eventually be thrown out the window in lieu of something more real and masculine. Life teaches you that not books. It can't be learned, it has to be experienced and felt. If years and years go by and you're becoming a man more analytical with game regarding what to say, how to say it, and what to say in the future, then something is off. But if you can walk into a club and within 10 minutes know the women who like you, the women who want you but aren't available, as well as the women who like you but are passing on you because their friend likes you, then you're starting to get it. Then it just takes eye contact and smile, and straight up say what you want, "I want to go take a bath with you," and she replies, "Ok" That's not game, that's a man saying what he wants without being attached to the answer because his happiness and freedom is more important than trying to impress some broad with some bullshit and that in itself is what we call 'confidence' and what women are really attracted to.

No Linux, that is the game, and you beat it. It's the circle of knowledge. We all inherently know how to pick up women, it's in our DNA. Somewhere along the line it was either beaten out of us or it wasn't (naturals). We go through a cycle of knowing, not knowing, learning, experiencing, learning, success, knowing.

Can you elaborate more on that?

Post: #12

It's one of those things that you might think you have figured out until you realize you don't.

The way you interact with women will always evolve overtime, especially since your taste and desires will change as well. Because of this, it always stays kind of fluid.

I fucked a lot more girls a few years ago than I do now, and that's because I'm in a relationship (by choice). This is because my tastes changed over the past few years. I went from wanting to bang every girl I could just to do it and have some variety to desiring kicking it with one girl I really enjoy for a long time. Because of that my game has also changed. Now I think more about how to make this relationship work well and keep myself and the other person happy instead of thinking about IOI's, kino, and other PUA jargon.

In the future my desires will likely change again and so will my game.

Post: #13

(01-16-2018 04:58 PM)LINUX Wrote:  As the years passed, I threw everything I thought I knew about game away and most of the guys on the forum that I'm close to have also.

Now it's a way of life, saying what you want, maintaining confidence, having options, and being real with yourself and with women. That's not "game" because it doesn't have to be performed or shut off, it's our way of life 24/7 and there are no illusions or masks that we walk around wearing. We are just grown men walking around finding women we want to either fuck, have a mini relationships with, or make memories with and we tell them that straight-up.

Game is sort of like a "Fake it until you Make it" thing. When someone really turns into a masculine man and knows what works and what doesn't, the feeling that he has when talking to women is much deeper than over-analytical nonsense because he lives in the moment and he's real. He's not attached to an outcome like a PUA wanting a phone number or notch, he's attached to the process, and the process is going after he wants without apology, and that's what women are really attracted to. They've been telling men how to get into their pants for the past 20 goddamn years and men have been unable to listen. What have they always said, "I want a man with confidence."

Back to the masculine and confidence thing, all men should aim to get there and they will get there by experience, failure, and overcoming most of your insecurities. Game should eventually be thrown out the window in lieu of something more real and masculine. Life teaches you that not books. It can't be learned, it has to be experienced and felt. If years and years go by and you're becoming a man more analytical with game regarding what to say, how to say it, and what to say in the future, then something is off. But if you can walk into a club and within 10 minutes know the women who like you, the women who want you but aren't available, as well as the women who like you but are passing on you because their friend likes you, then you're starting to get it. Then it just takes eye contact and smile, and straight up say what you want, "I want to go take a bath with you," and she replies, "Ok" That's not game, that's a man saying what he wants without being attached to the answer because his happiness and freedom is more important than trying to impress some broad with some bullshit and that in itself is what we call 'confidence' and what women are really attracted to.

My first reaction to this was, "nah"

But I think that was a knee-jerk reaction, actually, I don't think. I know.

My question is, how can you reverse the process of becoming more analytical?

Post: #14

(01-17-2018 01:08 PM)the1element Wrote:  My question is, how can you reverse the process of becoming more analytical?

Not to put word's in Lunx's mouth, but I'd venture to say what he is getting at is that you internalize it over time. It becomes natural and second-nature.

Instead of analyzing what to do or say, considering how the female will react, and what words/text/actions will get you your desired outcome - you just do.

Post: #15

(01-17-2018 03:00 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 01:08 PM)the1element Wrote:  My question is, how can you reverse the process of becoming more analytical?

Not to put word's in Lunx's mouth, but I'd venture to say what he is getting at is that you internalize it over time. It becomes natural and second-nature.

Instead of analyzing what to do or say, considering how the female will react, and what words/text/actions will get you your desired outcome - you just do.

That's one of those things that (from what I can tell) take a certain lack of mental awareness. I may have mentioned it before, but I'm one of those people who doesn't exactly ask people how they're doing. Why? Because they're doing fine. How do I know this? That's the standard response given to that type of question. Unless, of course, you're talking to Russian, which is why you're told to never ask a Russian how they're doing because they give a far more detailed and accurate answer than "Fine."

I also know how the weather is, because there's a window providing me with an accurate status report.

Post: #16

It's like vintage wine, as I age I gain more depth...

10, 15, 25 years from now I will be laughing at how dim my awareness was NOW compared to the future.

The only difference between back then and now is that intensity. If I had that fire I had in say 2011, the consistency would draw too much attention.

For instance, in 2016 went to prague and in 2 days it was as if I had lived there for months. Had about 6-7 potential social circles...Invited to private boat party & some guy wanted to have his driver show me the real (non-touristy) aspects of the city.

I hadn't done such a thing for almost 1.5 years due to alcohol abuse then issues in monogamy. Nothing had really changed just dormant.

Ive had moments in the past in my pua junkie days where I impressed myself BUT the difference is like watching an inexperienced youth who only to fellow youths would seem awesome. It's laughable thinking of myself back then.

Ill be laughing at myself in 5 years too

Post: #17

"I was in my corvette and the wind was in my hair and it was intoxicating blah blah." Yes I understand that it's just an example and it is possible to push women's emotional triggers with the right use of language. But generally as I get older, I say fuck that gay shit. And guess what I get laid more than when I was younger and trying so hard.

Post: #18

without a doubt
I think its a combo of
1.getting older, as far as online goes unless you are lying about your age the well only gets dryer (and the overall quality decreases) as the years go up (I'm not talking about countries where women are desperate to get out of but more developed ones)
2.less tolerance for booze - drinking and women are hand in hand for me and I don't have the tolerance I had 10 years ago.
3.less risk taking - couple of decent brushes with the reaper can tend to make you reel it in a little.
I'm sure some of the bantam rooster types will scoff at this but maybe some of us have aging family and shit to take care of in the future and would appreciate if they weren't burying us.
4.less tolerance for bullshit
5.less starry eyes- when I first read about this shit it was the more fabricated stuff like the book "the game" where anything seemed possible. If you are somewhat ok already the sky is the limit, it can really light a fire under your ass. Just putting in the approaches alone for someone with their shit together will bring big rewards.
6.social media aspect - I don't feel like competing with people on that level on shit I did 10 years ago (and millions of other people) but now its like they just cured cancer....so you climbed a fucking mountain....big deal.

7.Being away so much vs living in a city - no brainer... it can be hard to keep a fire burning when you can be away for months at a time especially in a city where everything is like fast food and disposable.

That saying I can still pull women half my age from time to time and have flashes of brilliance ....If you keep your shit together there isn't a reason you can't keep killing it into older age.

Post: #19

(01-17-2018 01:08 PM)the1element Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 04:58 PM)LINUX Wrote:  As the years passed, I threw everything I thought I knew about game away and most of the guys on the forum that I'm close to have also.

Now it's a way of life, saying what you want, maintaining confidence, having options, and being real with yourself and with women. That's not "game" because it doesn't have to be performed or shut off, it's our way of life 24/7 and there are no illusions or masks that we walk around wearing. We are just grown men walking around finding women we want to either fuck, have a mini relationships with, or make memories with and we tell them that straight-up.

Game is sort of like a "Fake it until you Make it" thing. When someone really turns into a masculine man and knows what works and what doesn't, the feeling that he has when talking to women is much deeper than over-analytical nonsense because he lives in the moment and he's real. He's not attached to an outcome like a PUA wanting a phone number or notch, he's attached to the process, and the process is going after he wants without apology, and that's what women are really attracted to. They've been telling men how to get into their pants for the past 20 goddamn years and men have been unable to listen. What have they always said, "I want a man with confidence."

Back to the masculine and confidence thing, all men should aim to get there and they will get there by experience, failure, and overcoming most of your insecurities. Game should eventually be thrown out the window in lieu of something more real and masculine. Life teaches you that not books. It can't be learned, it has to be experienced and felt. If years and years go by and you're becoming a man more analytical with game regarding what to say, how to say it, and what to say in the future, then something is off. But if you can walk into a club and within 10 minutes know the women who like you, the women who want you but aren't available, as well as the women who like you but are passing on you because their friend likes you, then you're starting to get it. Then it just takes eye contact and smile, and straight up say what you want, "I want to go take a bath with you," and she replies, "Ok" That's not game, that's a man saying what he wants without being attached to the answer because his happiness and freedom is more important than trying to impress some broad with some bullshit and that in itself is what we call 'confidence' and what women are really attracted to.

My first reaction to this was, "nah"

But I think that was a knee-jerk reaction, actually, I don't think. I know.

My question is, how can you reverse the process of becoming more analytical?

Possibly just being comfortable in your own shoes?

I've seen some men (and its definitely the exception than the rule) go through divorce and came out being total manwhores just because they DGAF rather than crumble to pieces.

Post: #20

So glad I just so happened to be working after hours tonight and click on this thread, thanks to LINUX. +1 man.

Post: #21

FUCK no.
When I was 18, circa 2011 - 2012, I'd be lucky to even have a pig from the bar make out with me.
Getting a sloppy makeout with a chubby drunk 6 at the bar was a major victory and there's also bonus points if my equally beta friends were in close enough proximity to witness this event.
Girls wouldn't text me back, same night lays from night game or day game simply didn't register as a possibility, I had no semblance of a social circle except for a few friends I had in high school (one of them is actually a member of this board and he is doing quite well for himself now, major improvements from the 18 year old version of him). No female friends, no girls hitting me up on social media, nothing.
The only time I got laid was from pure dumb luck, and I couldn't ever retain a girl after I fucked her.

Like a tiny little snowball, things slowly started getting better and better, and at at faster and faster rate.
I remember because she was my last serious girlfriend, but in May of 2014, I obtained notch #16. So 16 notches, which isn't terrible to "normal" guy standards, but is still very low for a player of high calibre. September of 2016, I made my 100 notch count thread (/thread-60113.html). So it took about 3-4 years of "game" for me to hit 16 notches. Then only about 2 years for me to go from 16 ---> 100 notches. I stopped counting my notches once I hit 100, but if I would take an estimate right now I would say I'm approaching very close to 200. At the very very least I should be at around 160 or so. I have girls hitting me up now, I have hot girls as friends in my social circle, most of who I have hooked up with in the past at some point, getting more and hotter matches on tinder, random local hotties following me on instagram and liking my posts, etc.

But I still have a ways to go, as I said before in my game goals thread, I'm still working on building a soft harem with cool, hot, loyal girls. Even an LTR would be nice actually, but it's proving difficult for me to find without settling for a girl that isn't a solid 9 (or isn't cool / popular and loyal).
I'm excited to see what level my game is at 2 years from now.

Post: #22

(01-17-2018 03:00 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Not to put word's in Lunx's mouth, but I'd venture to say what he is getting at is that you internalize it over time. It becomes natural and second-nature.

Instead of analyzing what to do or say, considering how the female will react, and what words/text/actions will get you your desired outcome - you just do.

It's like with any skill - graphic design, advertising, even lifting weights. At first you're thinking about the individual steps (i.e. are my hands far enough apart on the barbell? Now are my feet planted where they need to be? etc...), but eventually they become internalized. And you just do.

There's one industry expert I know of who's said (not verbatim) he's probably forgotten 1,000 tactics/steps. He's still one of the best at what he does - he's just internalized it.

What I'm interested in is the stages you go through to get to the place Linux described. I've seen some writings on this but it would be good to have something on the RVF to progress from and to. What happens between newbie and internalized?

Post: #23

No.

I used to use canned openers, routines and negs, but I understand today that it wasn’t really game.

Right now, it’s not so much about what comes out of your mouth. It’s more about being a man.

In the past I would think I was killing it with game, busting out DHV stories and getting her to laugh — and then nothing happens.

Now, I don’t give a fuck if she thinks I’m funny or entertaining. Game, as I understand it, starts way before the girl is in front of me. I do my groundwork in the gym, personal improvement, and inner game. Then we’ll make some small getting-to-know-you talk to break the ice.

If I like her, I make it known as such. If she likes me, then we’re heading home together that night. I find that the “old version” of game tends to complicate things at best, or fuck it all up at worst.

Be a man. Don’t complicate things.

Post: #24

Well if you were using canned material and nothing happened it means you we're not doing it right or not following all the steps. Of course you can't use canned shit in the comfort building stage, that's where you have to work on becoming an interesting person. If you're a nerdy type you will fail hard once you get past the approach.

What you probably needed was a bit more confidence which you gained from working out but that doesn't apply to everyone. Some guys just don't have time and simply don't enjoy spending hours in a smelly, sweaty gym. Maybe they're confident in their looks without packing muscle. Are you going to tell them be yourself, be a man ? That's fine, some may even be more confident than you are, some may be bodybuilders, but without game they won't get consistency. Confidence alone does not seduce the girl. If you don't have a set of tools in your brain that you can use once you break the ice then you are relying purely on luck. You have no control on the outcome.

Post: #25

It's automatic now, I don't even think about it; they call this Unconscious Competence.

The whole, you can read people immediately and gauge their interest and work it from there. Tinker with emotional levels, master body language etc, sure.

Everyone has this as they improve.

However, my character has changed:

- lower tolerance for various women
- internalized standards
- no longer trying to impress others with game
- no longer seeking validation through sex
- ability to match energy levels and harness it into sexual energy
- genuine inquisitiveness when I meet certain women

In agreement with LINUX, I wrote about this in my personal journal, game is not a switch you can willingly turn on and off when you are around women.

It's binary, either you have it or you don't.

My outlook has changed and my focus from 'game' shifted due to the unconscious competence where I am happier than ever before. I choose quality over quantity.

The paradigm shift sees me focusing on depth of experiences, not breadth of experiences.

You can bang as many girls as you like and move on to the next, you're only exploring the female psyche to a certain point.

After a while, you keep certain girls for sex and others for deeper connections. Eventually these conflate into a few who can tick both boxes and you take it from there.

Your game will progress with your lifestyle as it unlocks other women for you to meet and socialize with and the cycle goes on and on and on....