Post: #1

So I'm posting this under the newbies forum. I feel like all over again and I don't really know why.

So here is a gist. I was beta and almost broke. Learned game (roosh, made new friends, travelled, moved to live alone, etc...) and had a nice number (maybe a hundred date, 20 girls back to bed). I also have travelled through SEA and banged there multiple girls and over a dozen of bit***

But now it is all over. I can hardly get a date. Of the last 10 dates I had (in the last few months), 0 converted to bed. Worse, 0 of them called back or texted back. Even worse, only a couple of them answered my texts. The rest just ignored me. I can't even decently convert phone calls to dates.

This is making no sense to me. When I came to the big city, I was just getting by. Very cheap apartment in a sketchy part of town. Simple car. Pretty much instable job and career. I had plenty of girls at that time. Maybe 20 or more, I don't even remember. I also had several dates after which the girl kept talking, sending sexy messages, telling me how much they loved me. I was 22-25 in that period.

Then my career moved up. I'm now living in the most expensive neighborhood. Driving an expensive car not accessible for most of the commoners. Travelled the world extensively. Have my own office. Buy more expensive clothes (my wardrobe slowly converted to LaCoste, Designer glasses, high quality perfumes, etc...). I have missed the gym a few times but I'm still at a pretty good shape and would say even better.

I also think I look very much better. I had acne in my 22-24. A very bad one. I took the decutan and it is almost a fixed issue now. I improved my hair quality through hair care. I'm also way more confident than a few years ago. I have basically no fear. Pretty calm. Have more interesting things to talk about.

I'm 28 now.

I have lost most of my friends. I have moved up significantly that I can no longer relate to them. It was a bit tough at first as I thought I can't make new friends at this age. I was wrong, I was able to make new friends. It was much better socially. (ie: We can talk about travel experiences for example, plan a travel together, go to an expensive hotel, etc...)

So this all makes no sense to me.

Am I not supposed to have an easier time? Is it possible that my personality (and therefore game) have changed considerably to the negative? Is it possible that there is something off-putting about me that is repulsing the ladies? Is my car, talk about travel, talk about my work, etc... makes me look like an asshole?

I have personally tried different types of games (ie: went to a date one time with no car, little talk about what I do, basically said I have no career). But this doesn't seem to change the off-switch that I keep hitting on their brains. All the girls had access to my facebook in which I only put very few photos of me (rarely post where I travelled, don't post about car/office/money/bars/etc...)

What could possibly have gone wrong? Any possible way to get a real feedback? I'm thinking maybe my personality has turned to "SHIT" without me realizing.

Post: #2

Man from a first check seems you are depressed. Is everything fine? How do you feel?

Do you play sport regularly?

Do you LOVE your job or you do it just for money?

Buying expensive stuff won't make you happy, human relations can. I know many people who are full fo money slave of their job that they do just for cash, they can easily get both mental and physical issues. I know also people who do a fucking job for few money like: sport trainer, diving instructor in tropical seas, pilot (actually not so less money..) etc, but they do what they love, you can feel from 6.000miles away their passion for life, their positivity. I know only few persons of this category.

Yes it is possible that your game/personality getting worse, as it can improve it can also became a shit.

Post: #3

Are you targeting the same kind of women? Same age as before? I think you are just boring. Women are only interested in themselves. Quit talking about your job LOL. When you were young and naive, girls thought you were kind of cute. No longer.

Post: #4

I would second ilikegirls here. You sound depressed and too young to feel that way. If we sense that, I am sure there maybe something in your face to face interaction with women also being expressed to them.

Post: #5

(01-29-2018 07:55 PM)treypound Wrote:  I would second ilikegirls here. You sound depressed and too young to feel that way. If we sense that, I am sure there maybe something in your face to face interaction with women also being expressed to them.

Too young for getting ill or depressed unfortunately doesn't exist.... Children can get depression, one of the peak period for depression by odds is the early adulthood.

I agree with you too, if we notice this from a screen, I don't wanna imagine what a woman can notice face to face...

But also when you are in a bad state (bad mood or depressed) you could self-sabotage unconsciously. You can also have an hormonal change, like T drops (low sex drive) and cortisol gets higher, for example. Many things here can be the causes of his bad results with women (right now).

Post: #6

You need to be socialised buddy.

Talking about commoners and how hanging out with people who are educated and rich Just Like Me.. just.. it just makes more sense -
sounds like you are hung up on status and being seen a certain way.

reading between the lines you are in need of some genuine good hearted Alpha Friendships (probably a building worker or a plumber scattered in amongst them) and not social climbers who tend to be plastic fantastic.

Nothing in what you've written makes it sound like you actually love or even really like your job. The status obsessed workaday modern world that we all live in hey? - 'they make a desert and call it peace..'

Hobbies, friendships, just being able to be yourself away from work and relax more leading eventually to fun and adventure in life - those things might help you fill your fuel tanks and attract the kind of women you want in the long term.

At your age you've got a lot of time to turn things around.

Post: #7

yes, I have gone through a 4-6 months long depression last year. I got burn out on my last venture (mentally). Luckily, I made enough materially that I was able to afford the time off. I went to travel around SEA. I had significant success with normal women there though I wonder if it is due to my brain being completely disconnected from my home place. I enjoyed the place, the women, the men (no homo but they were very easy to deal with), the infrastructure and the weather.

I've been a bit suicidal as I went off meds and at times very aggressive but I almost recovered now. I think I'm messed up mentally/socially and having a hard time realizing it. As far as the woman I date, I'd say very diverse (6 to 8), (highly educated to no education), (poor to rich), etc... That's before and after. I rarely care about women background other than looks and getting along. I have no plans for LTR.

Still I can afford going to a late-night bar, putting a 400-500$ table, and then getting the hottest "women" for $500. I still can get laid. It is not my problem. I just want a women that call me/call her few times, enjoy being together (at least for a short-term relation) and do some stuff together. I can no longer pull that off.

Post: #8

Your question is not completely clear, and didn't answer to mine.

You love your job or you do it just for money?

From what you have written seems you are always trying to compensate your unhappiness with material things.

Are you taking any prescription drugs?

Post: #9

(01-30-2018 06:20 AM)ìlikegirls Wrote:  Your question is not completely clear, and didn't answer to mine.

You love your job or you do it just for money?

From what you have written seems you are always trying to compensate your unhappiness with material things.

Are you taking any prescription drugs?

Sorry I got a bit distracted.

1. Yes, I like my job. A lot. However, it can get very stressful (I work in finance). I handle stress much better now. But I have been exposed to way too much stress that it wrecked my body.

2. No. I stopped all prescription drugs (or any other drug for that matter). The only substances I take are complimentary vitamins.

Post: #10

(01-30-2018 06:39 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  

(01-30-2018 06:20 AM)ìlikegirls Wrote:  Your question is not completely clear, and didn't answer to mine.

You love your job or you do it just for money?

From what you have written seems you are always trying to compensate your unhappiness with material things.

Are you taking any prescription drugs?

Sorry I got a bit distracted.

1. Yes, I like my job. A lot. However, it can get very stressful (I work in finance). I handle stress much better now. But I have been exposed to way too much stress that it wrecked my body.

2. No. I stopped all prescription drugs (or any other drug for that matter). The only substances I take are complimentary vitamins.

1. you like it or you love it? How many hours per day? per week and per month?

2. you made a great thing, there are some doctors (only few) who say that prescription drugs can make more damages than depression.. one of the common symptom of anti depression drug is suicidal thoughts.... suitable for one depressed guy!

You also said that you were happy away and disconnected from home... that might be a sign that you don't like your town, currently lifestyle, job or something like that.


I would suggest fist of all to check your life style: sport, nutrition and supplements, stress management, holidays, job.

Consider that stress can destroy one person both physically and mentally. Let poor people work like slaves... if you are ok with money now why having so much stress?

Post: #11

(01-30-2018 06:04 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  I just want a women that call me/call her few times, enjoy being together (at least for a short-term relation) and do some stuff together. I can no longer pull that off.

You want a girlfriend.

Post: #12

(01-30-2018 06:49 AM)ìlikegirls Wrote:  

(01-30-2018 06:39 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  

(01-30-2018 06:20 AM)ìlikegirls Wrote:  Your question is not completely clear, and didn't answer to mine.

You love your job or you do it just for money?

From what you have written seems you are always trying to compensate your unhappiness with material things.

Are you taking any prescription drugs?

Sorry I got a bit distracted.

1. Yes, I like my job. A lot. However, it can get very stressful (I work in finance). I handle stress much better now. But I have been exposed to way too much stress that it wrecked my body.

2. No. I stopped all prescription drugs (or any other drug for that matter). The only substances I take are complimentary vitamins.

1. you like it or you love it? How many hours per day? per week and per month?

2. you made a great thing, there are some doctors (only few) who say that prescription drugs can make more damages than depression.. one of the common symptom of anti depression drug is suicidal thoughts.... suitable for one depressed guy!

You also said that you were happy away and disconnected from home... that might be a sign that you don't like your town, currently lifestyle, job or something like that.


I would suggest fist of all to check your life style: sport, nutrition and supplements, stress management, holidays, job.

Consider that stress can destroy one person both physically and mentally. Let poor people work like slaves... if you are ok with money now why having so much stress?

1. I definitively love the field I work in. I don't like my current job or the last one or some aspect of it. even if you like the field, the job is something else as you have to deal with lots of stuff that comes on the way. But I don't see myself doing anything else.

2. I realized this the hard way. The meds were useful at the beginning but made me worse as i carried forward. they basically disconnect your brain from reality but don't resolve the issue at hand.

My lifestyle, work and current environment is not healthy. There is no doubt in that. I'm looking to make more money so that I can leave. I had "financially independent" as the goal at first. I reached that goal last year but I'm not fully satisfied. So I'm trying to make more before leaving for good.

Post: #13

(01-30-2018 11:09 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  

(01-30-2018 06:49 AM)ìlikegirls Wrote:  

(01-30-2018 06:39 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  

(01-30-2018 06:20 AM)ìlikegirls Wrote:  Your question is not completely clear, and didn't answer to mine.

You love your job or you do it just for money?

From what you have written seems you are always trying to compensate your unhappiness with material things.

Are you taking any prescription drugs?

Sorry I got a bit distracted.

1. Yes, I like my job. A lot. However, it can get very stressful (I work in finance). I handle stress much better now. But I have been exposed to way too much stress that it wrecked my body.

2. No. I stopped all prescription drugs (or any other drug for that matter). The only substances I take are complimentary vitamins.

1. you like it or you love it? How many hours per day? per week and per month?

2. you made a great thing, there are some doctors (only few) who say that prescription drugs can make more damages than depression.. one of the common symptom of anti depression drug is suicidal thoughts.... suitable for one depressed guy!

You also said that you were happy away and disconnected from home... that might be a sign that you don't like your town, currently lifestyle, job or something like that.


I would suggest fist of all to check your life style: sport, nutrition and supplements, stress management, holidays, job.

Consider that stress can destroy one person both physically and mentally. Let poor people work like slaves... if you are ok with money now why having so much stress?

1. I definitively love the field I work in. I don't like my current job or the last one or some aspect of it. even if you like the field, the job is something else as you have to deal with lots of stuff that comes on the way. But I don't see myself doing anything else.

2. I realized this the hard way. The meds were useful at the beginning but made me worse as i carried forward. they basically disconnect your brain from reality but don't resolve the issue at hand.

My lifestyle, work and current environment is not healthy. There is no doubt in that. I'm looking to make more money so that I can leave. I had "financially independent" as the goal at first. I reached that goal last year but I'm not fully satisfied. So I'm trying to make more before leaving for good.

To resume...

You are doing a job that you don't like (as you said what does matter is the job), and you also didn't like the job before this one. You lifestyle and corrurent environment aren't healthy...... you also want that your body and your brain (which are connected) work well??

Meds are useful for Big Pharma profit, not for idiots who use them. As you said they temporally "hide" the real problem, and you won't find out what is the cause that is making you feel bad. They disconnect brain and can bring more health issues (to all body), then you need more meds, and at the end you will get an addiction from them and you will be never able to resolve the main problem, you only get a lot of new ones. Big pharma and health care companies would be happy because you would be a top costumer for life!



I think:

1) is a good thing you can make a lot of profit with your job. Try to think to people who have a fucking stressful and hateful job and they get only few money (think to waiters or cleaners for example). Is also good that you thinking to move away from it once you have enough money.

2) You have realized what it's going wrong, this is the most important thing, there are people who can't do that in many years, they are condemned to suffer.

I think in this moment issues with women is nothing in compared to all, 99% you can't have success with them because of your wrong lifestyle, once it is fixed they will come to you.


Now I would like to ask you:

1) why your lifestyle is not correct

2) How do you sleep? And how many hours per night?

Post: #14

(01-30-2018 11:09 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  I don't see myself doing anything else.

This is another clear sign of depressed mood.

Post: #15

What city do you live in and what type (specifically) of finance do you do?

It might be worthwhile for you to take a couple of weeks of vacation to clear your head and sort your non-work life out. I work in the industry as well and I think I can relate to some of what you mention, but you come across as very wound up and angst-filled. If you sort that out I think your luck with girls, and your career, will probably be better for it.

Post: #16

(01-30-2018 10:57 PM)Cipher Wrote:  What city do you live in and what type (specifically) of finance do you do?

It might be worthwhile for you to take a couple of weeks of vacation to clear your head and sort your non-work life out. I work in the industry as well and I think I can relate to some of what you mention, but you come across as very wound up and angst-filled. If you sort that out I think your luck with girls, and your career, will probably be better for it.

I took a few months vacation. I think I took enough vacation.

Post: #17

Thanks guys for the advice. I believe I have a lot to work on. I'm starting that today. Will be doing some travelling around europe for fun and profit. I'll be focusing on working on myself, health and happiness. My wallet can work the girls at the moment.

I'll be back with updates in 3-4 months.

Post: #18

(02-06-2018 11:34 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  Thanks guys for the advice. I believe I have a lot to work on. I'm starting that today. Will be doing some travelling around europe for fun and profit. I'll be focusing on working on myself, health and happiness. My wallet can work the girls at the moment.

I'll be back with updates in 3-4 months.

You are way hung up on living a very upper class life style. And I'm sure it is not helping your cause on your dates.

Seems like you treat dates as transactional (if I spend $500 on you tonight, you better fuck me). Get rid of that mind set and have fun with it. You can meet a girl at a bar for drinks and bullshit for a couple hours and pay $10.

Going to assume that you overplay your hand when it comes to your upper class lifestyle as well as discussing your job. Probably saying how important and well off you are.

Although women do like a man with status, throwing it in their faces when you're on a date makes you come across as a douche.

Women love listening to the sound of their own voices. Just sit back and listen to what she says. If you are dominating the conversation, slow down and ask her questions. It doesn't matter if you give a shit about what she says, you just need to listen.

That is how you build comfort, by a mutual exchange of words and laughter.

If you establish that comfort, you will reap the benefits...

Quote:I just want a women that call me/call her few times, enjoy being together (at least for a short-term relation) and do some stuff together.

Post: #19

(02-06-2018 11:34 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  Thanks guys for the advice. I believe I have a lot to work on. I'm starting that today. Will be doing some travelling around europe for fun and profit. I'll be focusing on working on myself, health and happiness. My wallet can work the girls at the moment.

I'll be back with updates in 3-4 months.

I hope you will be fine and solve 100% your issues. I'm pretty sure you will.

I'm glad you have money, for many lack of them is the big trouble, but also having money (especially if they are a lot) sometime can be a stress for a person, like living without! In some people I've noticed some pattern behaviors/thoughts related to their founds that ruined their lives, like alcoholism, seems strange but is like that. For example: always thinking compulsively about, an irrational and motiveless fear to loose them, investing most of their energy in gaining always more and more (much more than they need!), or buying a lot of useless expensive stuff. All this patterns are can ruin life, they are dangerous like drug addition or eating disorders (like bulimia or anorexia) same mechanism in brain, trust me.


Let only poor people are obsessed by money and job. (really) rich people usually don't care so much about because is not a problem for them, they prefer enjoying life instead of getting crazy... If you have already reached a good economical status you can start relax a little bit like a boxing champion who defended his belt many many times, now he doesn't need to train like he when he was just a beginner... start enjoying life!

My only advice would be try to think to your funds as less as possible. You need to rest your brain!

Post: #20

The background info doesn't really add up here, but all the same I hope you learn to relax and be more comfortable with yourself.

Post: #21

(02-06-2018 12:40 PM)Remington Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 11:34 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  Thanks guys for the advice. I believe I have a lot to work on. I'm starting that today. Will be doing some travelling around europe for fun and profit. I'll be focusing on working on myself, health and happiness. My wallet can work the girls at the moment.

I'll be back with updates in 3-4 months.

You are way hung up on living a very upper class life style. And I'm sure it is not helping your cause on your dates.

Seems like you treat dates as transactional (if I spend $500 on you tonight, you better fuck me). Get rid of that mind set and have fun with it. You can meet a girl at a bar for drinks and bullshit for a couple hours and pay $10.

Going to assume that you overplay your hand when it comes to your upper class lifestyle as well as discussing your job. Probably saying how important and well off you are.

Although women do like a man with status, throwing it in their faces when you're on a date makes you come across as a douche.

Women love listening to the sound of their own voices. Just sit back and listen to what she says. If you are dominating the conversation, slow down and ask her questions. It doesn't matter if you give a shit about what she says, you just need to listen.

That is how you build comfort, by a mutual exchange of words and laughter.

If you establish that comfort, you will reap the benefits...

Quote:I just want a women that call me/call her few times, enjoy being together (at least for a short-term relation) and do some stuff together.

Yeah, I think I lost my old game, don't have a new one, and thought my lifestyle will compensate for the lack of it. thanks for the advice.

Post: #22

(02-06-2018 02:41 PM)ìlikegirls Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 11:34 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  Thanks guys for the advice. I believe I have a lot to work on. I'm starting that today. Will be doing some travelling around europe for fun and profit. I'll be focusing on working on myself, health and happiness. My wallet can work the girls at the moment.

I'll be back with updates in 3-4 months.

I hope you will be fine and solve 100% your issues. I'm pretty sure you will.

I'm glad you have money, for many lack of them is the big trouble, but also having money (especially if they are a lot) sometime can be a stress for a person, like living without! In some people I've noticed some pattern behaviors/thoughts related to their founds that ruined their lives, like alcoholism, seems strange but is like that. For example: always thinking compulsively about, an irrational and motiveless fear to loose them, investing most of their energy in gaining always more and more (much more than they need!), or buying a lot of useless expensive stuff. All this patterns are can ruin life, they are dangerous like drug addition or eating disorders (like bulimia or anorexia) same mechanism in brain, trust me.


Let only poor people are obsessed by money and job. (really) rich people usually don't care so much about because is not a problem for them, they prefer enjoying life instead of getting crazy... If you have already reached a good economical status you can start relax a little bit like a boxing champion who defended his belt many many times, now he doesn't need to train like he when he was just a beginner... start enjoying life!

My only advice would be try to think to your funds as less as possible. You need to rest your brain!

money is certainly an issue but that's not my issue at this particular thread. or are you saying that they linked?

Post: #23

(02-06-2018 08:47 PM)Cipher Wrote:  The background info doesn't really add up here, but all the same I hope you learn to relax and be more comfortable with yourself.

what exactly doesn't add up?

Post: #24

(02-08-2018 07:52 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 02:41 PM)ìlikegirls Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 11:34 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  Thanks guys for the advice. I believe I have a lot to work on. I'm starting that today. Will be doing some travelling around europe for fun and profit. I'll be focusing on working on myself, health and happiness. My wallet can work the girls at the moment.

I'll be back with updates in 3-4 months.

I hope you will be fine and solve 100% your issues. I'm pretty sure you will.

I'm glad you have money, for many lack of them is the big trouble, but also having money (especially if they are a lot) sometime can be a stress for a person, like living without! In some people I've noticed some pattern behaviors/thoughts related to their founds that ruined their lives, like alcoholism, seems strange but is like that. For example: always thinking compulsively about, an irrational and motiveless fear to loose them, investing most of their energy in gaining always more and more (much more than they need!), or buying a lot of useless expensive stuff. All this patterns are can ruin life, they are dangerous like drug addition or eating disorders (like bulimia or anorexia) same mechanism in brain, trust me.


Let only poor people are obsessed by money and job. (really) rich people usually don't care so much about because is not a problem for them, they prefer enjoying life instead of getting crazy... If you have already reached a good economical status you can start relax a little bit like a boxing champion who defended his belt many many times, now he doesn't need to train like he when he was just a beginner... start enjoying life!

My only advice would be try to think to your funds as less as possible. You need to rest your brain!

money is certainly an issue but that's not my issue at this particular thread. or are you saying that they linked?

I don't understand well your question.

Can you please explain why you said money are certainly an issue for you?

Post: #25

(02-08-2018 07:52 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 08:47 PM)Cipher Wrote:  The background info doesn't really add up here, but all the same I hope you learn to relax and be more comfortable with yourself.

what exactly doesn't add up?

Just curious - which city are you normally based out of? Also are you traveling Europe on behalf of your work and if so, how long are you going to be abroad on business?

Knowing more about your personal background, location and advice may improve the quality of advice that people are able to give you.