Post: #1

For those of you who’ve traveled in Latin America, do you have advice on flaking girls.

I’m in Argentina now, and yeah I’m aware Argentina may be one of the hardest places for girls on the planet behind…Muslim countries and North Korea.

Over the last two weeks, I’ve had what have felt like great daygame approaches. The girls are giving good eye contact, asking questions, clearly showing interest. But then meeting them for a date keeps eluding me.

For how friendly the girls are in person, and how likely they are to agree to a date and time over text, they are proving impossible to meet up.

Here are just three recent examples:

1. Girl 1: Bianca. Met her on the street. Tall dark-haired girl walking alone around 8pm on a weekday. Stop her on the street. Probably late-20s. Tell her I noticed her walking by and I thought she looked very cute, the cutest Argentinian I had met so far. She’s blushing and very flattered. She’s asking me a ton of questions, very interested in me. At some point she flatly tells me, “No vivo con mis padres, soy soltera”, (I don’t live with my parents, I’m single). Even before I ask for her number, she tells me, “I can’t meet tonight, but I would love to get together sometime soon.” Works as a massage therapist. It felt like there was a good energy when we kissed on the cheek goodbye.

2. Girl 2: Nina. Met her at a retail leather shop. I go in looking for a wallet, end up staying flirting with her. It’s just the two of us for about 10 minutes. I ask her about travel, where she would go. She tells me she’d love to go to Europe, to France. I ask about what she’s into outside of work and she says, “well outside, nothing.” (girls with no interests). I tell her about my work in Argentina and it isn’t a very flirty conversation, but it seems to go well and she seems to be enjoying it and she asks me a lot of questions.

3. Girl 3: Anabel. Met her late weekday night at a bus stop. She and her friend are heading to a club on a Wednesday night late, as am I. I’m a bit lost and we end up chatting. I tease them, I tell her the quiet friend seems like the bad influence, getting them both to go out to a club on a Wednesday night. She’s cute, though has a kid, and they’re both dressed to the 9s for the club. She’s giving me these big eyes the entire time we talk, it’s clear she’s interested. The bus comes and they go over to it to get in line. But before they board, she runs back to me, gives me kisses on both cheeks and tells me she'll see me soon, and then goes to board the bus.

[Attached are all the text message conversations – all the names have been changed (and conversations have been translated into English)]


How I operate:
In the U.S. I’ll send a few back and forth texts, if she’s responding, I'll propose we meet up. When she agrees. I’ll offer up a day or two days and times. I'll let her know I'll think of a spot and text her day of.

This works almost perfectly in the U.S. I think maybe I’m down to <10% girls flaking after they’ve agreed to meet on a time and day. My game and texting have improved, since incorporating this style of texting.

Should I be thinking about scheduling dates differently with Latin American girls, specifically South American girls, I meet during daygame?

From those who’ve daygamed to Latin American countries. I know there are a lot of Colombia travelers on the forum and I imagine you deal with similar things. What did you change to turn your daygame approaches into dates?

Post: #2

Just a numbers game once you get the #

Set up 2-3 dates a night, expect them to be 30-90mins late. Doing so you’ll get at least one date with 2 flakes

Post: #3

All three of those seem like solid leads, and there was a lot of good banter in there, so I wouldn't give up on all of those just yet.

I think you got unlucky with some language and scheduling issues with the first girl. It got a little serious the conversation and maybe she's thinking "what? I thought this guy was fun". Don't worry about the language barrier, play it up, tell her you'll teach her English. You can bring that one back, she's interested.

Also, there is no solid date plan mentioned. And meeting up for a one on one date is high pressure for these girls as they don't know you really at all. Remember girls don't take risks as much as someone like you.

What I would do is make it more low pressure, if you're meeting one on one, meet them earlier in the evening or daytime. If you're meeting at night, invite a friend along. Make some plans and just send a text to one of those girls "Hey I'm doing x on y day with z you should come". Unconventional game advice I know, but this has worked very well for me to stop girls flaking and to get girls to agree to a date. Once the girl is there, your friend will eventually leave as long as he knows what's going on, and you can do what you want.

Post: #4

Sometimes I figure out logistics over text.

What part of the city do they live in? Do they often have free time during the week, or only on weekends?

Are these girls in Buenos Aires, or a smaller city? If it's the capital, maybe they consider the time investment required for the date and decide it's not worth it. Ideally, you want to suggest a place or time that will be easy for her to go along with.

I would maybe build some detail around the date, at the moment you suggest it.

Instead of: we could meet for a drink tomorrow at 8pm
Try: we could drink sangria tomorrow night in X neighborhood, you will like this place

Post: #5

You win some, you lose some. Develop a South American mindset and live with no expectations. Whatever happens, happens; expect the worst and you're never disappointed.

Building trust beforehand after you get a number is crucial in South America. A land where absolutely no one respects or trusts each other. Least of all a foreigner who they know can bail at any minute. Solid text game is crucial and build that comfortable rapport with her.

The better you vibe by text, the less chances she'll flake.

Post: #6

Don't plan things too far in advance, what I mean is that on a Tuesday afternoon don't make plans to go out with some Latina on Saturday they will have a million different offers between then and that day and a lot of opportunities to flake. If you have a couple on the go just text them that day day or maybe the night before to go out.

I'm not saying you did this but just a tip for the future.

Post: #7

Exactly you have to build trust !!

With South American girls you have to provide content in your texting game, i guess you talk with the women via whatsapp ?
Before to set up a date you have to send some pictures of interesting stuff (for exemples the picture of the restaurant or the bar you would to meet her) and ask her what she think about, if she know this place or if she know a better place
You have to talk with the record voice via whatsapp she have to listen your voice forget about texting you will build nothing in this way
And don't forget to post your best profile picture in whatsapp or something give you high value

In SA Whatsapp is a big deal and it's more important than instagram

Post: #8

Thanks all this is helpful. I like the idea of inviting a friend along, and also the text of, "we could try sangria tomorrow night in X neighborhood, you will like this place" seems stronger than just texting a location and a time day of or day before.

(02-05-2018 12:16 AM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  If you have a couple on the go just text them that day day or maybe the night before to go out.

I'm not saying you did this but just a tip for the future.

"A couple on the go" you mean like having a couple of girls you're balancing but haven't met, right? Haven't heard that term before.

It's been two weeks and I've banged two girls (one of them twice), so I'm not saying it's that bad. None from daygame though, still no dates there. Have to keep trying.

But yeah trust is a hard one. Maybe sending more pictures is a good idea. I usually don't like texting too much, because I think it can waste time if she's going to flake anyway.

What do you record in a voice message? I've never used them.

Post: #9

Why later, what wrong with then and there?

Post: #10

I looked through all the texts, and they look solid...up until the close.

Quote:Me: It’s good. I went out too late. Are you free tonight? We should meet up.
Bianca: I will let you know a little later if I can.

This is Friday, right?

She's probably fishing for the best thing to do that night regardless, but there's nothing to entice her in here. Without some sort of plan mentioned, she's automatically going to assume that you don't have one. Then she'll assume you'll ask her what she wants to do, and she doesn't want that responsibility.

Quote:Me: How is Sunday or Monday in the evening?
Nina: I’ll let you know.

This is probably lost.

You were texting her and trying to get her out Saturday, when rejected for that, proposing either of the next two days is going to telegraph that you don't have anything better to do.

Quote:Me: Hey, if you want, we can have a little to eat at 5 pm.

She read the message, and never responded. I didn’t follow up. I’ll restart in two days.

Again, what's the incentive here?

Thing of getting these dates as sales.

A weak close is to say, "Sooooo....do you think you want to take this new car home with you today....?? Do you think it's a good fit...???"

A better close is, "Let me go draw up the paperwork and get you the keys."

Assume the sale.

In this case, the "if you want" just comes across as soft. The underlying message is that you were probably assuming she'd flake (can't blame you after the events of all 3 girls). Almost a self-fulfilling prophecy.

A better option would have been: "Hey, I want to try ABC Restaurant, I've heard good things. Let's meet there at 5pm for drinks."

This comes across as far more "I'm going regardless if you come or not, but I'd like to have you come along."

The sangria text example in the previous posts is an excellent model to follow.

Post: #11

Had my first daygame date tonight in Argentina, thanks to the tips you shared in this thread. (Wrote this before I saw This is Trouble's advice, but plan to incorporate that in the future as well. Much appreciated.)

Saw this girl today around 1 pm with an incredible ass, busting out of dark jeans, and long black hair.

Approached her and she was very surprised and shy, and after two minutes she told me she had to go, but I persisted in talking to her. She gave me her number.

Then over text she’s very excited that I approached her,

“when you stopped me, I liked it, even though it was very strange.”

We end up chatting back and forth a lot today, and I tell her, I’m going to the gym, but I can meet her tonight at 9 pm back where we first met.

Tip 1: Don’t schedule out too far in advance, try to text her for tonight, or tonight for tomorrow.

Anyway, seems like we’re all set to meet, and then she send me a long text an hour beforehand:

“It’s the first time this has happened, and the truth is that I’m a little bit scared…I don’t know you…the truth is can I trust you? I’m sorry I hope I didn’t offend you only I hope that you understand me and you aren’t offended for what I’ve said to you.”

Rather than text her back, I left her a WhatsApp voicemail.

Tip 2: She needs to hear the sound of your voice because trust is really important.

Anyway, it seems like she flaked because she sent me a voicemail back that I didn’t really understand but it sounded like she said she had "things to do" and "she's sorry". Rather than give up, I text her right before we’re supposed to meet at 8 with, “can we meet at 8:30 instead?”. No response for 20 minutes, and I decide I’m going to go out and game some other chicks. Then I get a response at 8:20pm, “Ok”

I go to meet her and she finds me first, at the place near the park where we agreed to reconnect.

Turns out the girl is a bit older than I thought at 36, and has been married for the last 18 years. She's recently divorced. She’s definitely from a very different background than me: grew up in a rural area, never left the country, married at 18, etc...but I took her to a bar, and we chatted and we got along well. She basically hasn’t been on a date in two decades. As close to chaste as a 36-year old gets.

We have a good conversation over drinks getting to know each other. I walk her out and know I'm not bringing her back with me tonight. Immediately after we leave the venue, we start holding hands. A bit later, I go in for the kiss, I surprise her with just randomly on the sidewalk. We both stop, I’m talking about something and mid-sentence, I lean in and kiss her. She’s into it.

I walk her back to where we met, and we make out again a few times. She’s enjoying it a lot. I'm the first to pull away, and let her know I have to get back.

But I don’t know. She’s from a totally different background, she’s not the girl to date random guys, sans me.

So not sure I’ll see her again. She may be too conservative to bring back, but we’ll see. If we meet up again, great, if not, no big deal.

Thanks for the tips you guys gave. As you can tell, I put them into action immediately and they paid off. Rep points coming your way.