Post: #1

So, I’ve been on this forum for a long time and I’ve noticed a slip from what it once was (a “game” or PUA forum) to whatever it now is--lots of politics and cryptocurrency things--and that’s fine. There is nothing wrong with being well versed in current affairs, nor gambling away your (or your families) hard earned wages, but let’s not forget a couple things, eh?

The discussion of politics is not particularly great in seduction, as it can be both uplifting and cumbersome, depending on the audience, and finance is even less provocative. It can dry up a pussy faster than you can throw out Benjamins. Unless, of course, you’re throwing Benjamins at said pussy, which has never yielded a favorable return.

For a moment, let’s exclude politics from our realm of panty-dropping parlance and, if we could, momentarily forget the thing which is “everything you don’t know about computers combined with everything you don’t know about finance--aka cryptocurrency” and focus on Game. After all, a man makes money; money doesn’t make a man. Politics will always be there if we need or choose to invoke it.

I had an interesting conversation tonight with a guy I met at happy hour. I don’t say this in that it was interesting to me particularly; it was really rather trite, but I’ll let you decide.
I was invited to meet a friend for a beer at a local establishment. I arrived early and took a seat at the bar next to a couple of mildly attractive women (a 6 and a 5). There was a plate of untouched food between us, so obviously someone was there before me, but was absent. I ordered a drink and waited for my friend to arrive. The girls were chatting at the end of the bar and I was eavesdropping. They were “typical.” Every player will know immediately the type when I say they conversed in nonsensical bullshit--chattering about their day at the office, what so-and-so said at the copy machine, who was fucking who in the office, blah, blah, blah.... Industry standard. Two mid-to-late 30 somethings, no rings on their fingers, bleached blondes, dressed to the 9’s, but just couldn’t pull it off.
Then the dude who had left his plate there returned. He had received a call from his sister who was planning a visit this weekend for Easter, he told the bartender. He sat down and began to eat, but then interrupted the girls at the end of the bar and interjected in their conversation. From the tone of his voice, I began to hear the spiral of shot-down aircraft hurling towards the earth. He asked them what they did for a living (fail--worst opener ever). They answered, “We’re both in sales.” They didn’t offer anything other than that. He followed with, “Oh, well I’m in the medical field.” He left nothing to chance and volunteered this on his own--weak. He was saved by one of the girl’s phone ringing, a call which she answered, so it (sort of) isolated him with the other, more attractive girl. He repeated that he was in the medical field and she asked him how so. He replied he was a nurse... I can see this going south, but I said nothing. He then explained that he was an older guy, going through a divorce, had a son, was fighting for custody, just bought a boat, didn’t know how to use it, and asked the girl out for a boat trip this weekend. All this happened in the time it took to take a breath. I cringed for him.

The girl declined him and said she already had plans--go figure. Desperation is a stinky cologne.

My friend arrived and we exchanged “hellos.” He quickly saw a girl he was interested in and went off to her. The dude next to me recognized my friend and seeing we have a friend in common, he started talking to me. I was polite and kind of brushed him off, but he seemed like a genuine dude, so I offered him some advice... I said, “Hey, I don’t wanna be weird, but I couldn’t help but notice, you approached those two chicks with no hesitation, you just didn’t have the tools to close.”
He asked, “What tools?”
I said, “Well, you didn’t have a good opener and then you didn’t have a hook.”

He thought it was interesting, so I spoke to him a while about “game” without calling it “game” and he just agreed with everything I said and he actually got a little emotional about it, which weirded me out, but I could see he was really hurting. He said he had wasted his 30’s with a woman he thought was going to be his “forever wife” and she had left him. It was a little soul crushing, but there’s no time for that.

We talked about fishing and boating. I told him a few things I knew and he listened intently. I could tell he was really intelligent, just socially very awkward--he’s been out of the game for years--his best years. So the conversation was jovial with an underlying weirdness, as is with people like him.
Then he asked, in regards to the girls at his side, what I would’ve done differently. I took a chance and said, “Follow me on this.” He agreed.

I said to the the more attractive girl, who I had overheard her name as Kimberly, “Kimberly, my friend and I were talking and we need a female’s opinion on this...”
She asked, clearly amused, “What is it?”
I said, “We were contemplating what would be the best way to open a conversation with someone you were interested in getting to know at a bar like this?”
The less attractive one said, “Hi, can I buy you a drink?”
Kimberly said, “Just make me laugh.”

I said, “For real? You’re a girl. You’ll laugh at anything.” Then she laughed.... lol.
Then I said, “You’re obviously a very pretty girl. Give me three reasons, other than looks or sexual prowess, why I would want to date you.”
See what I did there? I totally flipped the script. Now she has to qualify herself to me. Her less attractive friend started chiming in, but I ignored her. I listened in detail about how Kimberly was “a great person, faithful, funny, fun to be around, blah, blah, blah.”

After that, it was all downhill. We’re going out on the boat with the two girls this weekend.

The moral is, don’t open with some old ass “bar pickup” line. What you do, specifically, for a living does not define you as a person and it should not be what you rest your value on. It’s okay to be a little mysterious. Don’t dump all your problems on someone--it’s not attractive. You should advertise that your life is great, whether it is or not. And it’s not like you’re lying because who knows? In two weeks time, things can change. Never underestimate your wing man. Just relax and go with the flow. If you get blown up, so what?!?! Just keep rolling.

Post: #2

I'm glad you got a date for the weekend. Hope it goes well for you!

Post: #3

(03-29-2018 09:17 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  I'm glad you got a date for the weekend. Hope it goes well for you!

Meh... We'll see. I actually already had plans for this weekend, I just started going down the rabbit hole to help out the other dude. Once I did it, I couldn't back out.

No big deal. It's not unusual to double-book in case of a flake, but I don't like doing it for the simple fact both could come through and then I, myself, have to flake and that's not cool.

Chicks flake all the time, but I like to pretend I hold myself to higher standards.

Post: #4

I too noticed the forum's shift in focus and would really like for it to go back to what i was seeing in 2016 and upto early 2017; a hub for self improvement and sharing valuable (life/travel/character enhancing) knowledge.

Good luck on your date!

Post: #5

In early 2017 we were complaining all the time about how it was too political...

Post: #6

I get what you mean, but the finance aspect is still useful. I should probably read it more instead of the Game & Travel sections

Politics has never really interested me once I realized being a political expert does jack for your game. I'm sure there are political groupies, but they aren't the type of girls I want to attract anyway.

I don't mind most girls not caring about politics because neither do I. But I know enough to talk politics if needed.

Post: #7

I'm angry about the crypto, but also to a lesser extent PTX; and that's given that I like to ramble on PTX. I can't oppose anyone that wants more game talk--that's the site's true purpose. Cheers.

Post: #8

Good thread, and a good reminder for me to focus on game again. I'm definitely guilty of pursuing the politics and crypto sections too much.

Post: #9

I wasn't trying to start a revolution against current topics. But, i would like to see more posts in the Game and Newbies sections that add value to the forum.

When I first joined, I didn't make a thread for more than a month. I read the forums and made a few posts just getting to know the lay of the land. Now it seems that people make a thread on their first post and it's usually some inane bullshit just to garner attention. It's not cool and, frankly, ridiculous and pathetic.

Post: #10

On the other hand, if we'd had as many crypto threads in say, Jan of 2017, as we did politics and game threads, everyone on this board would be a millionaire by now.

Post: #11

(03-30-2018 02:34 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  On the other hand, if we'd had as many crypto threads in say, Jan of 2017, as we did politics and game threads, everyone on this board would be a millionaire by now.

Yup, I believe we need more crypto threads not less.

Post: #12

Here's the thing: The niche's bleed into other threads where they don't belong.

Biggest issue is the politics being brought into the game thread, with IQ, hierarchy, race, etc.

It ruins shit for newbies, all they want is some solid advice on getting laid, not some fucking autistic essay.

You'll notice the guys in politics have hardly a post in the game section, and vice versa.

I do see a hybrid thread, specifically the Donald Trump thread where game and politics mix in an awesome way.


The best thing I love about this forum is the fact we have so much goddamn to offer.

Make your money, tone your body, expand your mind, be a better lover, become more attractive, seduce women, become more intellectual, and worldly

We're a one stop shop with dudes at the top of their game in every subject.


The fact I see kids on here that are in high school or just turning 18 finding this forum is one of the best things I look forward to on here.


OF COURSE there was a shift - biggest thing was the alt right kids jumping in AFTER Samseau made the DT Thread.

Every month you'll get some spergs, autists, and boring old race baiters.


The best we can do is truly help out our fellow man, and give a slap on the wrists to newbies who post shit threads or ask dumb questions.

Post: #13

Good post. I concur with everything OP said.

Another thing I've noticed...even IN the game forum / newbie forum, most of what we get is either "how do i get this gurl i like to like me bak?" newbie stuff OR "+1" with not a lot in between. Not a lot of threads asking mid level questions; not as much 'experiment and reporting back' input like there used to be.

I have not contributed much to the game forum recently so I'm not saying i'm setting the best example, by any means. But I have noticed that frequently, posters are either utterly clueless or want to brag. Just my .02.

The +1 thread is great if you're wanting to quantify everything on a spreadsheet but seems kind of stupid to be honest. I stopped counting at 30 lifetime bangs and that was in 2006.

I do appreciate HONESTY in all it's forms, as it is related to game or lack thereof. Those are the threads I find most helpful. As I've said before I'm far more likely to post my negative experiences than my positive ones, since it seems to help others more when they can empathize with failure / running into difficulties, and can help me understand where things went wrong just by writing it out publicly and of course, input from guys here.

Post: #14

This forum is exceptional and unique. This forum is from a different era of the internet, don't forget that the internet of 2008/9 was completely different to the beast it is now.

Nowadays, many 'specialist' forums are dead and have been replaced by reddit or twitter. It is actually very saddening when I stumble across an interesting forum from my google searches but the most recent posts were in 2014, and now it's just deserted. Between the early 2000s and 2014 it would have been full of life and discussion, with people sharing their expertise in certain areas.

On these old style forums, relationships and a sense of community form so much more easily than on reddit where your comments get washed under a tide of thousands more. The moderation on here is excellent and a lack of trolling is conducive to serious discussions.

There has been a big shift towards politics since 2016 on this forum, but it's been organic and not forced. It's not like politics wasn't discussed before, but there was a lot more on travel and escaping the West, whereas I'd say there's now more of a 'we need to fight for our civilisation' type of attitude.

I found this forum when I was very young and it has helped me immensely. It's given me a thirst for life, I can't wait to finish my studies and enter in to the big wide world. It's given me advice that otherwise would have lain undiscovered and wasted. Thank you all.

Post: #15

Good topic OP There's a ton of good game info in old threads.

Here's just one example of . Principles apply even if your not looking to or capable of single day bangs

/thread-28403.html

(09-24-2013 09:01 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  The most valuable game lesson I have learned is this: create your own world with your own rules and expectations for how everything should work, and how people should behave around you. Live in your world, not a world created by someone else.

Writing your own ticket, so to speak, is incredibly powerful. The question becomes not “who is going to let me?” but instead “who is going to stop me?” You can do anything you want with this mentality, and it causes you to challenge long established beliefs. For me, one of those beliefs was that you have to take a girl on a date in order to have sex with her.

And I came to the realization that...

...Going on a date with a girl is the absolute best way to cockblock yourself. You’re setting up obstacles that you'll have to overcome throughout the date. If you just want to sleep with the girl, why would you meet her in a public place where you can't have sex? That's illogical. Why force upon yourself the eventual awkward do-or-die moment when you try to get her home, or try to weasel your way into her place? It's unnecessary. You are a highly sexual alpha male, and she can succumb to you right now or she can walk away. It’s got nothing to do with how fun the date was, or how many venue changes you performed.

How she feels is the only thing that matters. Familiarity is not a prerequisite for sex. Neither is raw physical attraction. We already know this. These are all foundational elements of Game, yet we ignore these truths by taking girls on dates. Why?

Romance is an old world concept. Young hot girls don’t want romance, they want something engaging, dangerous and sexual. However we also know that girls don't want to feel like sluts. Yet going on a date introduces the concepts of romance and sluttiness into her subconscious; confusing her very simple, emotionally driven brain. These are obstacles that must be overcome if sex is going to occur. It's a sticky situation, but we brought it upon ourselves.

Going on a date with a girl, then inviting her back to your place for what she knows can only be sex, will make her feel like a slut. She will second guess herself every step of the way. She will be wondering if anyone at the bar saw her leave with you, leading to social anxiety and embarrassment. She will wonder if your conversations were all a front, and if you are just using her for sex. She will wonder or even ask outright if you are a player. "Why would he take me out to a nice place if he just wants to have sex?" It creates cognitive dissonance, which throws up red flags in her hind brain and sometimes she walks away from the interaction altogether. See also: "Reaction Formation."

So why do we bother with all of that? Why do we put ourselves into these situations? Reduce your variables.

Skipping the first date and inviting her directly over sets the frame and lets her know your intentions. No guessing games. Going to a man's house for drinks and maybe sex does not make her feel like a slut, because it’s her choice to either go over or not go over. No one will see her, no one else will know what she did, and most importantly, no one will judge her - the single greatest fear of women around the world. That is exhilarating in and of itself for the girl. She is attracted to a man that wants to give her exactly what she craves but is culturally prevented from saying outright or even admitting to herself: casual, private, no strings attached sex. So stop complicating things.

Here is how it goes down:

You number close a girl. Run some flirty, occasionally semi-sexual but surface level comfort building text message game on her over the course of 1-3 weeks. Then, one day around noon you hit her up out of the blue. You invite her over to your place. You do not ask her on a date. In fact, throughout texting and the number close, you've never once said “maybe we can go out sometime.” No, instead you’ve only ever said “maybe we can hang out sometime.” Subtle but important difference. You’re setting and controlling the frame.

I've thought about this long and hard, and tried a dozen different techniques, but I think the magic bullet to get girls over is this: there is no magic bullet. No false pretenses, no setting up plausible deniability, no one liners, no bait and switch, no shadiness, no routines. Just: “do you want to come by for drinks later” That’s it. It's forward, it engages the girl, and it cuts out the bullshit.

Four Common Scenarios:

Best case:
You: “Hey what you up to later, we should chill.”
Her: “Sure. I’m free after 8”
You: “Want to come by my place for a drink at 9, I’ve got some new recipes”
Her: “Okay”
You: “Text me when you’re heading out and I can give you directions”
Her: “Will do”

That’s it. Just be cool. Don’t use question marks; you’re telling her what she wants not asking for permission.The last line about giving directions is important: you are confirming that she understands she is coming over to your place, without being needy and directly asking if she understands.

---

Sometimes, she will say: “Uhmmm, no I don’t want to go over to your place. I’m not some booty call.”

That’s fine, you just let these girls go. Forget about them and delete their numbers.

---

Many times, she will say: “Haha well what if you are a serial killer or something”

That’s a great response to get, because it means she wants to come over but is a little nervous, so all you need to do is remind her that she wants to hang out with you. Agree and amplify, be playful, or if your phone game is strong, call her and chat for a minute. Then you say "ok so I'll plan to see you at 9. Text me when you head out and I'll give you directions"

---

Occasionally, she will say: “I’d feel more comfortable meeting in public”

This is a very tricky response to get, and I have not mastered it yet. I think these are the girls that like to bang on the second date. Sometimes I’m able to run comfort game and get them to come over, or try to drop huge bait about why my place is better than a bar. Sometimes they buy it, sometimes they don’t. If they don’t buy it, you never hear from them again as the cat is out of the bag, so to speak, and the sexual tension is dissipated. I have lost many girls at this stage.

---

Those are the 4 scenarios you will run into. I have tried many many techniques over the past four months, and have had more than 20 girls say “no” to me during this time. But 15 have said yes, and 11 of those 15 had sex with me. That’s a better success rate than when I take girls on regular dates. I'm sure glad I didn't take those other 20 out, because they are the girls that would have flaked pre-date, not banged on first date, not banged even after 3 dates, gone radio silent after the first date, or put me in the friend zone. So I avoided all of that effort and trouble. The four I didn’t bang were early on in my Zero Date Bang quest, and were results of going caveman, or otherwise not understanding the subtleties of what was taking place.

When she shows up at your door:

From here it’s straightforward. Just run first date style game in your own home. She will be nervous, but since you are acting like you’ve done this a thousand times, she will begin to chill out and remind herself why she came. She is running on pure emotion, so work with that.

Give her a tour, and make her a complicated drink. This gives her heart time to stop beating so fast. Then, you sit at your kitchen table, or on your porch, or on your couch, whatever. Chat with her, get her to start talking, or just do most of the talking yourself. Doesn’t matter about what, since it’s just buying time for you both to finish your drink. This is subtly different than normal first dates where you are attempting to get to know each other. Make a second drink, turn up the music, ask her what kind of music she likes (have your itunes open or whatever so she can pick some songs) then go for the kiss. From when she walks in to the first kiss should be somewhere between 45 mins to 2 hours. No need to rush, she's yours for the night.

Back off after the first kiss - don’t go caveman. Pull away from the kiss and say “I’ve got to show you something.” Show her pictures from your trip, your music collection, the drawing your kid brother made for you, whatever. Just buy 10 minutes to build more sexual tension, and avoid activating any residual anti-slut defense that might be lingering in her subconscious. Go for the second kiss. Repeat if necessary, you'll have to feel it out for yourself. But from there it’s game on.

Results:

Afterwords, things are easy. She knows you don’t want a relationship, so she’ll leave you alone. Since you threw down, she will feel sexier than she has ever felt before. To her, these are the kinds of things that only happen in movies and 50 shades of gray books. She has no misgivings or regrets about sleeping with you, and has never had an experience like she has had with you. She is exhilarated, happy, and feels more empowered than any feminist literature could ever make her feel.

She’s in the palm of your hand from here. No need to text her or see her every week or try to save face by maintaining a mini-relationship. Just text the next day, say you had fun, make her feel good about it. Then you can hit her up whenever you want to see her again.

Additional thoughts and observations:

The most surprising thing about Zero Date Bangs, is that when the girl comes over, she is not attached to her iPhone. At all. She might check it once, but by and large it stays in her purse the entire night. I don’t know the reasoning, but it has held true for every girl that has walked through my door.

Girls don't flake on you once they decide to come over. This is because you've engaged them emotionally, something that setting up a drink date in public does not achieve.

Audio recorder: since she is a stranger, you want to cover your bases. Run an audio or voice recorder in your bedroom or use a smartphone app to record all the sound throughout the night. Think of it as insurance in case something goes wrong, as it becomes your word against hers, and we know how that turns out for men.

What do all of these girls have in common? They are emotionally stable and independent. “Fly girls,” as gmanifesto would say. She’s the girl you see at club laughing at other girls for being drunken fools. Party girls have not come through for me, because they need their friends to do anything, or they just like to be seen out on the town with a guy, not actually intending to sleep with him. The girls that come over are all pleasant and easy going. What's funny is that I would consider seriously dating almost all of them because by coming over, they've proven to me that they are not part of the typical status quo herd mentality.

In conclusion:

Look, I know this might not be the right game for everyone. If you are going to sweat it when a girl refuses to come over, and tells you to delete her number because she is honestly offended by you, then it's not a good fit. If you have bad logistics and live with roommates, forget about it. If you're more nervous than she is, you're going to bomb.

However, the greater lesson here is to try something totally new in your game, and to question absolutely everything about why you do what you do. Reduce your variables, write your own rules, and the girls will follow.

In other words...

Shake things up.

Post: #16

(03-30-2018 02:51 PM)zoom Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 02:34 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  On the other hand, if we'd had as many crypto threads in say, Jan of 2017, as we did politics and game threads, everyone on this board would be a millionaire by now.

Yup, I believe we need more crypto threads not less.

If you wanna drop by, feel free. The place is a ghost town now with mostly me posting.
Sadly there's not much to say beyond "Yeah don't buy anything right now."

Post: #17

Aye yay yay.... Crypto....


Anyway, this forum is great. I wish every young man could find this forum in his formative years. I'd be much more successful if I had stumbled upon it at an earlier age.

Post: #18

(03-30-2018 05:49 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  Good topic OP There's a ton of good game info in old threads.

Here's just one example of . Principles apply even if your not looking to or capable of single day bangs

/thread-28403.html

(09-24-2013 09:01 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  The most valuable game lesson I have learned is this: create your own world with your own rules and expectations for how everything should work, and how people should behave around you. Live in your world, not a world created by someone else.

Writing your own ticket, so to speak, is incredibly powerful. The question becomes not “who is going to let me?” but instead “who is going to stop me?” You can do anything you want with this mentality, and it causes you to challenge long established beliefs. For me, one of those beliefs was that you have to take a girl on a date in order to have sex with her.

And I came to the realization that...

...Going on a date with a girl is the absolute best way to cockblock yourself. You’re setting up obstacles that you'll have to overcome throughout the date. If you just want to sleep with the girl, why would you meet her in a public place where you can't have sex? That's illogical. Why force upon yourself the eventual awkward do-or-die moment when you try to get her home, or try to weasel your way into her place? It's unnecessary. You are a highly sexual alpha male, and she can succumb to you right now or she can walk away. It’s got nothing to do with how fun the date was, or how many venue changes you performed.

How she feels is the only thing that matters. Familiarity is not a prerequisite for sex. Neither is raw physical attraction. We already know this. These are all foundational elements of Game, yet we ignore these truths by taking girls on dates. Why?

Romance is an old world concept. Young hot girls don’t want romance, they want something engaging, dangerous and sexual. However we also know that girls don't want to feel like sluts. Yet going on a date introduces the concepts of romance and sluttiness into her subconscious; confusing her very simple, emotionally driven brain. These are obstacles that must be overcome if sex is going to occur. It's a sticky situation, but we brought it upon ourselves.

Going on a date with a girl, then inviting her back to your place for what she knows can only be sex, will make her feel like a slut. She will second guess herself every step of the way. She will be wondering if anyone at the bar saw her leave with you, leading to social anxiety and embarrassment. She will wonder if your conversations were all a front, and if you are just using her for sex. She will wonder or even ask outright if you are a player. "Why would he take me out to a nice place if he just wants to have sex?" It creates cognitive dissonance, which throws up red flags in her hind brain and sometimes she walks away from the interaction altogether. See also: "Reaction Formation."

So why do we bother with all of that? Why do we put ourselves into these situations? Reduce your variables.

Skipping the first date and inviting her directly over sets the frame and lets her know your intentions. No guessing games. Going to a man's house for drinks and maybe sex does not make her feel like a slut, because it’s her choice to either go over or not go over. No one will see her, no one else will know what she did, and most importantly, no one will judge her - the single greatest fear of women around the world. That is exhilarating in and of itself for the girl. She is attracted to a man that wants to give her exactly what she craves but is culturally prevented from saying outright or even admitting to herself: casual, private, no strings attached sex. So stop complicating things.

Here is how it goes down:

You number close a girl. Run some flirty, occasionally semi-sexual but surface level comfort building text message game on her over the course of 1-3 weeks. Then, one day around noon you hit her up out of the blue. You invite her over to your place. You do not ask her on a date. In fact, throughout texting and the number close, you've never once said “maybe we can go out sometime.” No, instead you’ve only ever said “maybe we can hang out sometime.” Subtle but important difference. You’re setting and controlling the frame.

I've thought about this long and hard, and tried a dozen different techniques, but I think the magic bullet to get girls over is this: there is no magic bullet. No false pretenses, no setting up plausible deniability, no one liners, no bait and switch, no shadiness, no routines. Just: “do you want to come by for drinks later” That’s it. It's forward, it engages the girl, and it cuts out the bullshit.

Four Common Scenarios:

Best case:
You: “Hey what you up to later, we should chill.”
Her: “Sure. I’m free after 8”
You: “Want to come by my place for a drink at 9, I’ve got some new recipes”
Her: “Okay”
You: “Text me when you’re heading out and I can give you directions”
Her: “Will do”

That’s it. Just be cool. Don’t use question marks; you’re telling her what she wants not asking for permission.The last line about giving directions is important: you are confirming that she understands she is coming over to your place, without being needy and directly asking if she understands.

---

Sometimes, she will say: “Uhmmm, no I don’t want to go over to your place. I’m not some booty call.”

That’s fine, you just let these girls go. Forget about them and delete their numbers.

---

Many times, she will say: “Haha well what if you are a serial killer or something”

That’s a great response to get, because it means she wants to come over but is a little nervous, so all you need to do is remind her that she wants to hang out with you. Agree and amplify, be playful, or if your phone game is strong, call her and chat for a minute. Then you say "ok so I'll plan to see you at 9. Text me when you head out and I'll give you directions"

---

Occasionally, she will say: “I’d feel more comfortable meeting in public”

This is a very tricky response to get, and I have not mastered it yet. I think these are the girls that like to bang on the second date. Sometimes I’m able to run comfort game and get them to come over, or try to drop huge bait about why my place is better than a bar. Sometimes they buy it, sometimes they don’t. If they don’t buy it, you never hear from them again as the cat is out of the bag, so to speak, and the sexual tension is dissipated. I have lost many girls at this stage.

---

Those are the 4 scenarios you will run into. I have tried many many techniques over the past four months, and have had more than 20 girls say “no” to me during this time. But 15 have said yes, and 11 of those 15 had sex with me. That’s a better success rate than when I take girls on regular dates. I'm sure glad I didn't take those other 20 out, because they are the girls that would have flaked pre-date, not banged on first date, not banged even after 3 dates, gone radio silent after the first date, or put me in the friend zone. So I avoided all of that effort and trouble. The four I didn’t bang were early on in my Zero Date Bang quest, and were results of going caveman, or otherwise not understanding the subtleties of what was taking place.

When she shows up at your door:

From here it’s straightforward. Just run first date style game in your own home. She will be nervous, but since you are acting like you’ve done this a thousand times, she will begin to chill out and remind herself why she came. She is running on pure emotion, so work with that.

Give her a tour, and make her a complicated drink. This gives her heart time to stop beating so fast. Then, you sit at your kitchen table, or on your porch, or on your couch, whatever. Chat with her, get her to start talking, or just do most of the talking yourself. Doesn’t matter about what, since it’s just buying time for you both to finish your drink. This is subtly different than normal first dates where you are attempting to get to know each other. Make a second drink, turn up the music, ask her what kind of music she likes (have your itunes open or whatever so she can pick some songs) then go for the kiss. From when she walks in to the first kiss should be somewhere between 45 mins to 2 hours. No need to rush, she's yours for the night.

Back off after the first kiss - don’t go caveman. Pull away from the kiss and say “I’ve got to show you something.” Show her pictures from your trip, your music collection, the drawing your kid brother made for you, whatever. Just buy 10 minutes to build more sexual tension, and avoid activating any residual anti-slut defense that might be lingering in her subconscious. Go for the second kiss. Repeat if necessary, you'll have to feel it out for yourself. But from there it’s game on.

Results:

Afterwords, things are easy. She knows you don’t want a relationship, so she’ll leave you alone. Since you threw down, she will feel sexier than she has ever felt before. To her, these are the kinds of things that only happen in movies and 50 shades of gray books. She has no misgivings or regrets about sleeping with you, and has never had an experience like she has had with you. She is exhilarated, happy, and feels more empowered than any feminist literature could ever make her feel.

She’s in the palm of your hand from here. No need to text her or see her every week or try to save face by maintaining a mini-relationship. Just text the next day, say you had fun, make her feel good about it. Then you can hit her up whenever you want to see her again.

Additional thoughts and observations:

The most surprising thing about Zero Date Bangs, is that when the girl comes over, she is not attached to her iPhone. At all. She might check it once, but by and large it stays in her purse the entire night. I don’t know the reasoning, but it has held true for every girl that has walked through my door.

Girls don't flake on you once they decide to come over. This is because you've engaged them emotionally, something that setting up a drink date in public does not achieve.

Audio recorder: since she is a stranger, you want to cover your bases. Run an audio or voice recorder in your bedroom or use a smartphone app to record all the sound throughout the night. Think of it as insurance in case something goes wrong, as it becomes your word against hers, and we know how that turns out for men.

What do all of these girls have in common? They are emotionally stable and independent. “Fly girls,” as gmanifesto would say. She’s the girl you see at club laughing at other girls for being drunken fools. Party girls have not come through for me, because they need their friends to do anything, or they just like to be seen out on the town with a guy, not actually intending to sleep with him. The girls that come over are all pleasant and easy going. What's funny is that I would consider seriously dating almost all of them because by coming over, they've proven to me that they are not part of the typical status quo herd mentality.

In conclusion:

Look, I know this might not be the right game for everyone. If you are going to sweat it when a girl refuses to come over, and tells you to delete her number because she is honestly offended by you, then it's not a good fit. If you have bad logistics and live with roommates, forget about it. If you're more nervous than she is, you're going to bomb.

However, the greater lesson here is to try something totally new in your game, and to question absolutely everything about why you do what you do. Reduce your variables, write your own rules, and the girls will follow.

In other words...

Shake things up.

P.S.

This post is GOLDEN

Post: #19

Hey-ohhhhh! We went out on the boat, in spite of the kinda crappy weather... It was chilly, so instead of bikinis, the uniform of the day was sweatshirts...

Old boy was struggling (severely) with his Game. I kept diving in to rescue him, to the point that it was clearly noticeable. Interesting turn of events happened--I was steady focused on the hotter girl (Kimberly), but the other girl was very flirtatious with me. We ended up docking the boat and drinking at the marina bar.

I brought the less attractive girl home--you get what you get--and the other girl Uber'd home.

Got the bang, no LMR... She's actually pretty cool. I can see us hanging out again. All in all, not a bad day.

Post: #20

^Nice one. Getting back to the moral of the OP, I've got a related story.
A few weeks ago I was hanging out at a bar and overheard two girls - both cute, one shorter, one a tall young drew Barrymore- who'd just ended a conversation with a guy. He'd actually opened with the ol' "what do you do?"
I opened them by interjecting. Went on a bit about how it's a basic tell of a boring person to ask about work, that it's very american as opposed to how in Europe people are more interested in who you are as opposed to what you do. We had a laugh about it.

The conversation was warm and fun, and in a few short minutes both girls were asking me questions. The third question out of the shorter girls mouth was "so what do you do?"

As soon as it came out she caught herself, and the three of us all started laughing. I ended up in a long chat about art with the tall one and got her number.

Post: #21

I agree, it's so simple when you stop worrying about bullshit.

What did I do? I, literally, asked the girl for a successful pick-up line. Then she told me. After that, I asked her why I'd want to date her. She told me.

So friggin' simple.

I think we maybe should start a thread called "I don't give a fuck game."

Post: #22

Blehhh... Had to update this, just because there was interest and the weirdest thing just happened. I kinda said this in the beginning--don't dump on things right off the bat, even if it's not what you wanted, but...

So, this girl just called me (the one I hooked up with) and said she had a niece and would be interested in going out. Her niece is much more attractive and 10 years younger.

Not sure how this will work out, but the lesson I tried to convey is still legit.

Stay the course. Look forward. Don't dump on things just because they don't seem to be in line with what you want. Let things develop!!! Let things develop. You never know where tings are going.