Post: #1

Defining sexually available as women who are open to sleeping with a guy they met the same night.

3 types of women at bars/clubs:

1. Not Available
Taken, sexually conservative, not horny that night

2. Available but not for you
Open to going home with a guy, but not good looking enough for her, not her physical type

3. Available for you
Open to going home with a guy, good looking enough for her, her physical type

Night game is a race against the clock to screen out girls in (1) and (2) to find (3) before another guy gets to her.

For bangs, large venues with a high % of sexually available women are good.

Some places have a higher %:
- Expat bar in Thailand (semi-pros, gringo hunters)

Some places have a lower %:
- Nightclub in India (couples, groups)

What % of women in a bar/club are sexually available (2 & 3)? Of the sexually available %, what % can you bang the same night (3)? What types of women do you bang?

Interested in hearing from guys who night game in Western countries regularly.

Post: #2

(05-12-2018 11:38 AM)SLSlayer Wrote:  Defining sexually available as women who are open to sleeping with a guy they met the same night.
3 types of women at bars/clubs:
1. Not Available
Taken, sexually conservative, not horny that night
2. Available but not for you
Open to going home with a guy, but not good looking enough for her, not her physical type
3. Available for you
Open to going home with a guy, good looking enough for her, her physical type
Night game is a race against the clock to screen out girls in (1) and (2) to find (3) before another guy gets to her.
For bangs, large venues with a high % of sexually available women are good.
Some places have a higher %:
- Expat bar in Thailand (semi-pros, gringo hunters)
Some places have a lower %:
- Nightclub in India (couples, groups)
What % of women in a bar/club are sexually available (2 & 3)? Of the sexually available %, what % can you bang the same night (3)? What types of women do you bang?
Interested in hearing from guys who night game in Western countries regularly.

I was out with a forum member last night. We checked out early and didn't really bother to hit on any females, but just judging from the crowd... I'd say 20 to 30% were single in the place we hit up.

The number that are "sexually available" depends on who you are as a man and how good you are at game. One of my more memorable nights out, I remember an AA friend fucking a married indian woman in the parking lot while her husband wandered from bar to bar looking for her.

Post: #3

Agreed, which is why I made a distinction between 2 & 3.

I’ve approached girls who rebuffed me but see making out with another guy later in the night (2). I’ve approached girls who rebuffed me and left the venue without any other guys (either 1 or no “hot enough” guy approached them that night).

With experience I’ve become more skilled at screening out 1. While improving my looks and game, I’ve been converting more from (2) to (3).

Post: #4

(05-12-2018 12:48 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 11:38 AM)SLSlayer Wrote:  Defining sexually available as women who are open to sleeping with a guy they met the same night.
3 types of women at bars/clubs:
1. Not Available
Taken, sexually conservative, not horny that night
2. Available but not for you
Open to going home with a guy, but not good looking enough for her, not her physical type
3. Available for you
Open to going home with a guy, good looking enough for her, her physical type
Night game is a race against the clock to screen out girls in (1) and (2) to find (3) before another guy gets to her.
For bangs, large venues with a high % of sexually available women are good.
Some places have a higher %:
- Expat bar in Thailand (semi-pros, gringo hunters)
Some places have a lower %:
- Nightclub in India (couples, groups)
What % of women in a bar/club are sexually available (2 & 3)? Of the sexually available %, what % can you bang the same night (3)? What types of women do you bang?
Interested in hearing from guys who night game in Western countries regularly.

I was out with a forum member last night. We checked out early and didn't really bother to hit on any females, but just judging from the crowd... I'd say 20 to 30% were single in the place we hit up.

The number that are "sexually available" depends on who you are as a man and how good you are at game. One of my more memorable nights out, I remember an AA friend fucking a married indian woman in the parking lot while her husband wandered from bar to bar looking for her.

We've been getting an influx of indian women in the DFW area over the past few years. They're pretty open to black guys for some reason, and I managed to grab one temporarily cause they surprisingly showed interest in me, rather than me having to ask for it. It threw me off, but that was during my beginning time night gaming.

(05-12-2018 01:12 PM)SLSlayer Wrote:  Agreed, which is why I made a distinction between 2 & 3.

I’ve approached girls who rebuffed me but see making out with another guy later in the night (2). I’ve approached girls who rebuffed me and left the venue without any other guys (either 1 or no “hot enough” guy approached them that night).

With experience I’ve become more skilled at screening out 1. While improving my looks and game, I’ve been converting more from (2) to (3).

Something you will see a lot at a bar, and I've garnered it enough times during my observation periods, is that girls kill all their chances in groups. They hold their hands while walking everywhere, they drink in a tight knit group, and they use their value as women in a sea of men almost like a secret club where they know they will reject most men that come to them, but let it feed into their ego psyche. To someone like me, it only humors me, but I've seen guys that I expect to pull have women basically play with them and then run off to the next bar with their string of friends.

However, based on these experiences, I've come to conclude that if any guy wants to pull at a bar, a good strategy is to find the "end bar". This is something most of the experts on this site know, but it's always good to review over it. The end bar is the place where you know most people will end at during the night. It was at the "early bars" where you saw most of the ghosting tactics you see girls do. Gaming absolutely sucks here cause everyone wants to enjoy the night and try out each and every place they go to. Eventually, they trickle into select end bars, which then, gaming becomes a lot more successful. It's also at end bars where you see the most making out. The girls are drunk/ comfortable enough, the place is hot, and everyone is just having a good time.

Post: #5

(05-12-2018 02:25 PM)BlueResolute Wrote:  We've been getting an influx of indian women in the DFW area over the past few years. They're pretty open to black guys for some reason, and I managed to grab one temporarily cause they surprisingly showed interest in me, rather than me having to ask for it. It threw me off, but that was during my beginning time night gaming.

I don't know the how or why, but I agree this is often a thing. India is probably one of the most colorist societies that I know. My guess is that maybe the lower caste girls don't give a shit? It could also be an interest in Hip Hop or something. Sometimes it's not worth questioning a thing... just take advantage of the situation and be happy.

(05-12-2018 02:25 PM)BlueResolute Wrote:  However, based on these experiences, I've come to conclude that if any guy wants to pull at a bar, a good strategy is to find the "end bar". This is something most of the experts on this site know, but it's always good to review over it. The end bar is the place where you know most people will end at during the night. It was at the "early bars" where you saw most of the ghosting tactics you see girls do. Gaming absolutely sucks here cause everyone wants to enjoy the night and try out each and every place they go to. Eventually, they trickle into select end bars, which then, gaming becomes a lot more successful. It's also at end bars where you see the most making out. The girls are drunk/ comfortable enough, the place is hot, and everyone is just having a good time.

Last night I ran into two girls who came into the bar literally to just take a shot and then go back out into the street. I walked up really close to one of the girls and stood in line behind her, but making sure I was facing a different direction. She of course turned to leave and bumped straight into me. I turned and immediately accused her of groping me. We bantered back and forth for a bit. She went from shocked to realizing that I'm just playing with her. This was her starting bar, not the end bar.

My goal isn't to make her stay at this one bar. My goal is to make them come with me and follow my plan for the evening. I have to be fun, and provide a vision of the evening that is better than what they currently plan. If they have something set, I will see if they will invite me along for the evening and then try get them to follow my plan at the end.

I think if you are unsuccessful by a certain point of the night then you head to what you believe to be the "end bar" and then wait.

Post: #6

(05-12-2018 02:59 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 02:25 PM)BlueResolute Wrote:  We've been getting an influx of indian women in the DFW area over the past few years. They're pretty open to black guys for some reason, and I managed to grab one temporarily cause they surprisingly showed interest in me, rather than me having to ask for it. It threw me off, but that was during my beginning time night gaming.

I don't know the how or why, but I agree this is often a thing. India is probably one of the most colorist societies that I know. My guess is that maybe the lower caste girls don't give a shit? It could also be an interest in Hip Hop or something. Sometimes it's not worth questioning a thing... just take advantage of the situation and be happy.

(05-12-2018 02:25 PM)BlueResolute Wrote:  However, based on these experiences, I've come to conclude that if any guy wants to pull at a bar, a good strategy is to find the "end bar". This is something most of the experts on this site know, but it's always good to review over it. The end bar is the place where you know most people will end at during the night. It was at the "early bars" where you saw most of the ghosting tactics you see girls do. Gaming absolutely sucks here cause everyone wants to enjoy the night and try out each and every place they go to. Eventually, they trickle into select end bars, which then, gaming becomes a lot more successful. It's also at end bars where you see the most making out. The girls are drunk/ comfortable enough, the place is hot, and everyone is just having a good time.

Last night I ran into two girls who came into the bar literally to just take a shot and then go back out into the street. I walked up really close to one of the girls and stood in line behind her, but making sure I was facing a different direction. She of course turned to leave and bumped straight into me. I turned and immediately accused her of groping me. We bantered back and forth for a bit. She went from shocked to realizing that I'm just playing with her. This was her starting bar, not the end bar.

My goal isn't to make her stay at this one bar. My goal is to make them come with me and follow my plan for the evening. I have to be fun, and provide a vision of the evening that is better than what they currently plan. If they have something set, I will see if they will invite me along for the evening and then try get them to follow my plan at the end.

I think if you are unsuccessful by a certain point of the night then you head to what you believe to be the "end bar" and then wait.

Of course, it's usually better to be able to pull no matter what bar you're at like you did, and just route them along. It's just the usual game at work with escalation. Some guys, unfortunately, just want to jump until the end game, and so they wait for the right time and bar to hopefully get laid with as little effort as possible.

I've never been a cold approach fellow myself, but only cause I'm not out to get laid. I work hard every week and usually need some way to cool it off. A woman is a good relaxer, no doubt, and a testosterone diet keeps my eyes on the prize, but willpower and meditation keeps my wits about me. If I ever dove too much into my instincts and pleasure-seeking, I'd be no different than a dog with his tongue hanging out at every woman.

And yet, sometimes I wonder what my results would be if I turned on my sexual persona in front of people.

Post: #7

Leonardo Dicaprio would tell you that 100% of the women any place he goes are DTF and available

Post: #8

I'd actually make the distinction between a bar and a club. Bars, at least in San Francisco, are typically the place you go with a mixed group of friends, whereas clubs trend towards the singles scene.

I'm afraid I can't answer your question, as I immediately block out any girl who's not sexually available at a venue.

Post: #9

Good-looking girls are never truly single past the age of 16 or so they will constantly have either a boyfriend or keep orbiters who serve the role of a boyfriend. You shouldn't even think in those black-and-white terms because girls don't see it that way either. They're always available if your value is high enough.

Post: #10

(05-12-2018 10:29 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  Good-looking girls are never truly single past the age of 16 or so they will constantly have either a boyfriend or keep orbiters who serve the role of a boyfriend. You shouldn't even think in those black-and-white terms because girls don't see it that way either. They're always available if your value is high enough.

She's often not committed to the orbiters though, so she's effectively single. I disagree that they're always available if your value is high enough. It depends a lot on the specific woman and the circumstances. Very good looking celebrities get shot down much more frequently than you would think because comfort is inherently low and the woman either doesn't want to risk being another pump and dumped groupie and/or she is happy with the ego boosting story of shooting down John Mayer.

One instance was a friend turned down a date with a good looking top ten men's tennis player because she has a boyfriend. Her boyfriend isn't famous and makes less money but he's good looking and has a great career. I imagine the majority of smart women are well aware of the high risk associated with sacrificing a good thing to get burned by a celebrity who is going to be gone in a week. Women want to do well for themselves, but if the comfort and plausibility of a relationship are very low it's far from a foregone conclusion that a guy is going to be able to jack anyone from a healthy relationship just by being higher value.

Post: #11

In NYC, I'd say any girl drinking after 1230-1am is available to the right guy, and probably 20% available to any decent guy.

Post: #12

One quick point I want to make, some food for thought:

If you were Brad Pitt, do you think those numbers would be different compared to your average guy?
If Brad Pitt walked into the bar, a lot of those (1)'s will turn available.

To make a less extreme example, a high value man will make more of those (1)'s available.
Game is NOT simply filtering out the (1)'s and (2)'s to find the (3)'s. That's spam game. It will burn you out.

Post: #13

Obviously most women would fuk Brad Pitt but not me.

This is why I made a distinction between (2) Available, but not for you and (3) Available, for you.

There are also women who wouldn’t fuk Brad Pitt no matter what (1) Not available.

The question is for a non-celebrity non-male model with game who’s maxed out his looks and style what % would be sexually available for him?

Post: #14

Also, in your post history you mention 100+ lays but also mention doing many many approaches to get to that point. You mention there are nights where you’ve near approached nearly every girl in the venue and on the street to get the lay.

“I'm the type of person that will fight to the bitter end. So I will stay until 3am if I don't have a girl yet and I'll keep trying till the place is literally shut down and the bouncers are asking people to get the fuck out so they can clock out of their shift and go home. Then I will try on the street as girls flock their ways out of the bar. Then I will finally give up and go home by 3:30am when the streets are empty if I don't pull by then.”

Isn’t this spam game? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

Post: #15

(05-12-2018 12:48 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  The number that are "sexually available" depends on who you are as a man and how good you are at game.

(05-12-2018 08:46 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  Leonardo Dicaprio would tell you that 100% of the women any place he goes are DTF and available

Double bingo.
the higher status or perceived status you have the more open to seduction they are. Then you have to have the skill to close the deal.
A bar full of girls are not "sexually available" to a bum off the street.
A bar full of girls are "sexually available" to Leo DiCaprio.

Doesnt matter how tight your game is you can't even get in the game.

Post: #16

23%.

Post: #17

(05-12-2018 02:25 PM)BlueResolute Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 12:48 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 11:38 AM)SLSlayer Wrote:  Defining sexually available as women who are open to sleeping with a guy they met the same night.
3 types of women at bars/clubs:
1. Not Available
Taken, sexually conservative, not horny that night
2. Available but not for you
Open to going home with a guy, but not good looking enough for her, not her physical type
3. Available for you
Open to going home with a guy, good looking enough for her, her physical type
Night game is a race against the clock to screen out girls in (1) and (2) to find (3) before another guy gets to her.
For bangs, large venues with a high % of sexually available women are good.
Some places have a higher %:
- Expat bar in Thailand (semi-pros, gringo hunters)
Some places have a lower %:
- Nightclub in India (couples, groups)
What % of women in a bar/club are sexually available (2 & 3)? Of the sexually available %, what % can you bang the same night (3)? What types of women do you bang?
Interested in hearing from guys who night game in Western countries regularly.

I was out with a forum member last night. We checked out early and didn't really bother to hit on any females, but just judging from the crowd... I'd say 20 to 30% were single in the place we hit up.

The number that are "sexually available" depends on who you are as a man and how good you are at game. One of my more memorable nights out, I remember an AA friend fucking a married indian woman in the parking lot while her husband wandered from bar to bar looking for her.

We've been getting an influx of indian women in the DFW area over the past few years. They're pretty open to black guys for some reason, and I managed to grab one temporarily cause they surprisingly showed interest in me, rather than me having to ask for it. It threw me off, but that was during my beginning time night gaming.

(05-12-2018 01:12 PM)SLSlayer Wrote:  Agreed, which is why I made a distinction between 2 & 3.

I’ve approached girls who rebuffed me but see making out with another guy later in the night (2). I’ve approached girls who rebuffed me and left the venue without any other guys (either 1 or no “hot enough” guy approached them that night).

With experience I’ve become more skilled at screening out 1. While improving my looks and game, I’ve been converting more from (2) to (3).

Something you will see a lot at a bar, and I've garnered it enough times during my observation periods, is that girls kill all their chances in groups. They hold their hands while walking everywhere, they drink in a tight knit group, and they use their value as women in a sea of men almost like a secret club where they know they will reject most men that come to them, but let it feed into their ego psyche. To someone like me, it only humors me, but I've seen guys that I expect to pull have women basically play with them and then run off to the next bar with their string of friends.

However, based on these experiences, I've come to conclude that if any guy wants to pull at a bar, a good strategy is to find the "end bar". This is something most of the experts on this site know, but it's always good to review over it. The end bar is the place where you know most people will end at during the night. It was at the "early bars" where you saw most of the ghosting tactics you see girls do. Gaming absolutely sucks here cause everyone wants to enjoy the night and try out each and every place they go to. Eventually, they trickle into select end bars, which then, gaming becomes a lot more successful. It's also at end bars where you see the most making out. The girls are drunk/ comfortable enough, the place is hot, and everyone is just having a good time.

This is a good post.

It's hard to give an actual percentage of "DTF" girls at bars and clubs. And it also depends on the OP's standards, if you're willing to lower your standards by a lot, just to secure that bang, or you have certain standards and rather go home dry than lower your standards.

The best thing you can do for nightgame is aside from the obvious good logistics, you go bar hopping and fast screening: girls wearing a wedding ring, girls in a huge group = probably not DTF that night (you can still n-close these girls tho -their mood changes every time of the month)

Post: #18

Here's a somewhat related thread (if not ALWAYS important topic) I started a few years ago:
/thread-12219...slut+radar

Post: #19

The percentage you speak of will vary depending on environment and context as will your perceived status.

Country, culture, specific place, even day/occasion will affect that.

For me I know that there are specific types of girls that find me more interesting or attractive than others. Naturally, going to the places where they hang out increases my chances i.e. raises the percentage.

In short, I think the real question is "Who do I attract and where do these girls go?".