Post: #26

(05-15-2018 09:20 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

(05-15-2018 12:18 PM)kamoz Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 03:52 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 12:39 AM)godfather dust Wrote:  Another pointless individual like Moly, Styx, Crowder, various tradthots etc

Edit: by "pointless individual" I mean you will not gain any insight or value following these people. Not a character assessment.

Well said.

I find her totally vapid though, with no original talking points or views. Just another empty regurgitator.

She's a little too pretty, and the ascendancy of her 'star' is a little too suspicious. She smells bad. I think she's a plant at worst and a patreon grabbing chancer at best.

As for Trump endorsing her? Politics is a dirty business, it would seem.

I wouldn't trust her further than I could throw here. She's poison. I spent a whole day researching her when it all kicked off about her doxing server. That's a day I won't get back.

Male thirst is the root of all evil. Or something like that.

Einstein was right about human stupidity being infinite. Or something like that.

At least Moly or Styx occasionally make a good or original point. But they are pretty vapid too, playing to the gallery and just reacting to the latest ringing of Pavlov's bell. Or something like that.

My personal salvation and the healing of this sick world will have nothing contributed to it by these people. But at least they don't do any harm. Or do they?

"No more heroes anymore"

"Ye shall not worship false idols"

But by all means, do your own research and hold your own opinion.

And feel free to disregard mine. It counts for nothing anyway.

But yeah, one of the more cognitively dissonant moments on the forum for me, seeing otherwise well-informed and intelligent people endorse her for some reason.

People like Moly and Styx are chancers who got lucky. The ascendancies of their 'stars' coincided with that dip on the continuum between a dearth of intelligent talking head pundits and youtube monetization. Their course is all worked out for them now. Their trajectory set.

There are so many contradictions and paradoxes with things these days when you just only even scratch the surface a little in doing your own research. I see none of these people embracing that.

That's the viewpoint from this 'observer' anyway. Maybe I'm wrong.

More and more I just come to the conclusion that man is not ready yet to make the next necessary step in his evolution.

I'm also getting more and more aggravated by this whole 'cult' thing as well. It's starting to get really fucking annoying. It's everywhere from the smaller youtube 'communities' to the larger mega channels such as we've been discussing.

And I'm getting seriously disillusioned with the 'right' as well - so much so that I've even been going back and re-visiting my originally held beliefs in left-wing politics (which is interesting in itself and not a little funny sometimes too). But that's a whole other discussion.

Is Candace Owens left-wing or right-wing. Could never figure her out. She's a SJW so she must be left-wing right? Or is she a new breed? A right-wing SJW?

What a fraud.

I don’t understand the hate for Stefan Styx or Candace. This reminds me of some cernovich haters not too long ago. Would you rather these people didn’t exist and these perspectives didn’t have a voice? Or are you wanting someone perfect who doesn’t exist to be in their place? These same points apply to trump haters.

I’ll admit that I don’t watch or listen to Stefan anymore and never have to Styx. Stefan has become too cringeworthy to watch, over emotional, the videos drag on too long, and the topics are depressing. This was reflected in the comments though so hopefully he adjusts. Styx is just cringeworthy to look at. Come on man clean up. But that’s besides the point - I agree with their viewpoints and am glad they are making it mainstream. Amidst the things I just listed clearly people still watch them, and that’s a good thing. So what if they “ascended” or make money? That’s what any of us would want. Look at how long Stefan has been making videos and how many he has. This didn’t happen for him overnight and there’s more to it than just dumb luck.

Ok, patiently, for those that can't read between the lines.

debeguiled uses humour. Zelcorpian backs it up with his facts and the courage of his convictions. You call me out with straw men.

Quote:I don’t understand the hate for Stefan Styx or Candace. This reminds me of some cernovich haters not too long ago. Would you rather these people didn’t exist and these perspectives didn’t have a voice? Or are you wanting someone perfect who doesn’t exist to be in their place? These same points apply to trump haters.

I don't understand the hate for them either. I've never seen it. Oh wait a minute, yes I have. But that hate didn't come from me. I don't hate Moly or Candy. It reminds you of Cerny haters? Mmm do tell more...

No, I don't care that these people exist. They mean the sum of zero to me. I want no false idols to worship. I work it out for myself. I just object to being called out when I don't subscribe to someone else's personal philosophy (that is what Moly calls himself innit? A philosopher?).

These same points apply to Trump haters?

Wow, heart shot. Head shot. Bullseye brother. I won't ever recover from that kind of rhetoric, so I won't even try. A Trump hater.

I'm going to stop there. Hope you don't mind.

I'm just giving my viewpoint. You don't agree with it. I'm not calling for the gulags yet. But if you persist in your folly... (little joke)...

Do watcha like! Whatever works for you. Find your own peace.

I'm sorry I remind you of a 'hater'. It's why I won't spend any more time debating you. But if you push it, boil your arguments down, perhaps reconnect with some kind of point you have, then I will respond to you when I have time.

It's probably not that important to you.

Haha it's not. Sorry if you took it that way, didn't mean it in an accusatory way, just legitimately questioning. I saw patterns with those hatin' on Cernovich and Trump with this, and made observations that's all. To me it appears some people want someone perfect and throw the baby out with the bath water. If that's the case (which it may not be) I disagree.

I'm sure there's plenty of subtlety I'm missing. I have a pretty blunt, straight-shooting personality, with an upbringing in a pretty direct culture. These misunderstandings have happened before with certain people from more indirect cultures (i.e. midwestern American WASPs, Brits, etc) so my bad if this is the case. Like you said it's not that important to me since I didn't intend to make a pointed statement, just an observation. It's all good.

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Post: #28

I have been feeling a real sea-change with all this. Larry and Ruby go into it here:





And I've felt it. Nothing specific is ever said to us, but as youngsters it's inferred to us that there are some things that we cannot say. It's to the extent that people won't even admit to their own thoughts, beliefs and feelings out of fear - group think - the surrendering of one's mind to the collective. The evidence that that is cracking is becoming more apparent.

Post Kanye it seems support for Trump among black males has gone up to 22% from 11%. I suspect that's largely people finally feeling free enough in their own minds to think what they want.

The left is a wholly 100% negative force. Everywhere they go the bring destruction. They used to take the votes of the manufacturing districts; and in return they got offshoring, rotting cities. They took the votes of black and ushered in chronic social dysfunction. Then they took the vote of the city liberals and they created degenerate, drug ridden pits of hopelessness where 95% of people have nothing and no chance of ever having anything. The fall out from those assetless, pensionless and childless husks is going to be huge. You invite the left in as a youth and by the time you've retired they've created somewhere you don't want to live but have no other option.

And by and large the opposition has had nothing to say. But the last 4 years have seen a sea change. A great cycle is beginning in the decline of the left.

As for not liking various commentators, I always hear I don't like X because of Y. The way I see it is if a commentator is pushing things in a direction I like then they're good. There's people I've never had any interest in listening to like Cernovic and Crowder. A common ciriticism is they are just rehashing. But they're rehashing in a way that is accessible to different groups. Cernovic is a street fighter-type who talks in a way that is accessible to a lower IQ and less political audience. He's a bleed between the world of guy's guys and Trumpism. Crowder is for young kids. Molyenux is for 110 IQ minimum. Owens is for the young, blacks and seemingly the French.

Post: #29

It ain’t even about politics - Candace is the first black millennial female I’d be willing to put up with the shit of.

She is doing her damn thing and I respect it.

Post: #30

Surprised this hasn't been posted. She goes over slightly about older women who don't have kids regress to a childish state, or try to treat other people like children (since they don't have any). Longwinded but its reaching new people.

Post: #31

(05-16-2018 12:02 AM)kamoz Wrote:  Haha it's not. Sorry if you took it that way, didn't mean it in an accusatory way, just legitimately questioning. I saw patterns with those hatin' on Cernovich and Trump with this, and made observations that's all. To me it appears some people want someone perfect and throw the baby out with the bath water. If that's the case (which it may not be) I disagree.

I'm sure there's plenty of subtlety I'm missing. I have a pretty blunt, straight-shooting personality, with an upbringing in a pretty direct culture. These misunderstandings have happened before with certain people from more indirect cultures (i.e. midwestern American WASPs, Brits, etc) so my bad if this is the case. Like you said it's not that important to me since I didn't intend to make a pointed statement, just an observation. It's all good.

Just playing along myself. This clown world shit is pretty amusing to me. In an ideal world I'd have better things to do. It's interesting though.

I don't mean to come across as confrontational either, but sometimes being direct is the path of least resistance. All good.

I say most of what I say 'in passing'. I know a lot of it gets lost in translation. I like to be able to prove a point as much as the next man, but I get value from just providing food for thought and entertainment for people as well. Without playing to the gallery and being a bit of a clown myself. That would be disrespectful to everyone.

Have you ever seen kittens fighting? They really mean it! But they don't mean it so much they can't both drink/eat from the same bowl later on, when chow time comes around.

It's a fine art. A lost art, in many ways. I always respect those that can take part in it.

Post: #32

(05-16-2018 03:59 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Damn, I need to find that Star Wars meme. What was it again?

"Good, good..."

Also (((Israel))).

Damn, need that fiffy cent gif too.

Need to brush up on my meme game.


But for now:

Getting da fuck outta here...

Post: #33

Well, so as not to shit up the Donald Trump thread, we were talking about Tree of Logic who was one of Candace's main detractors.

Now, credit where credit due, and the diametrically opposed viewpoint of that: don't go throwing stones when you live in glass houses.

First of all, I'd just like to say, I know RVF has a very strict policy on doxing. All the stuff below is common knowledge to many people on the net. And also, Tree, who could take this stuff down anytime has chosen to keep it up. So no doxxing of private information here. All this stuff is at anyone's fingertips if they ever had a spare day or two to spend.

In fact, I'm not even putting this out here to criticise Tree, as much as I disagree with her lifestyle decisions. I know she was originally a Christian but got steered in the wrong direction by bad actors, so she changed her course. I will not judge her. You can if you want though.

The reason I put this out there is because both Tree and Candace have been taken on by the so called 'alt-right' as proofs of their cause, to the fact they are not racist, embodying the fact they don't want to alienate black people and want to be inclusive. That's noble enough.

This is a wider fight, but it encapsulates so much of what is hard to express.

Both Tree and Candace have been called 'Coons'. By their own people as well. By 'their own' people, I mean those that have the same colour skin. As if somehow, in their success they are doing the bidding of the white man. I just think they are both mercenary and don't do anyone's bidding but their own. Let this be a lesson in worshiping false idols. Neither of them are 'bad'. But they both polarize the debate so well, it's hard to not put them both out there and pit them both against each other.

Here is a link to Tree (Mistress Amazon) and her time at OWK and why she left. If nothing else, it is a very honest appraisal of her time there (I think) and maybe it even deserves a whole thread of its own:





This next link you will need to build for yourself. It leads to some very NSFW shit. It also will depend what country you are in and your search history the results you get. All the same, it should build a picture:

Google: "mistress amazon owk"

That is all you need. You can refine the search. It will lead you down a rabbit hole, so don't go there unless you have the strength to resist. Those that fight monsters...

I won't post any links that lead from that search. You will, however, find some porn sites that you never heard of before.

I see Candace and Tree as two sides of the same coin.

Neither good or bad in themselves.

OWK was a pretty high-end domme community. I'm sure Tree made a lot of good money from being there. I'm pretty sure she still could make some great money now with this free promotion. Good luck to her.

I'm also sure Candace would whip your pastey white arse for you for 5K (dollar/euros/pounds). As long as no one found out. Now I'm not accusing her of being a whore. Certainly not. Pure speculation on my part. But e-begging leaves a bad taste in my mouth when done this way. Tree and her were/are guilty of it. Both of them. Where does the carrot end and the stick begin?

It's one thing to say: "chuck a couple of dollars my way if you like what I do", to the tricks these tradthots are playing. Well, not really tradthots I suppose. Gonna need a new name for them. "Trad-doms"? I'm no good at this shit.

And Mistress Tree of Logic is going to need a new business manager.

She kept that shit up there. She made more than one video of her saying she was happy this shit was up there. I give her props for that. But this is not a doxing or attack on her in anyway.

Somehow this isn't about politics anymore is it?

It's about 6" high heels. Whoever's got the bigger booty. Which one is prepared to whip you harder.

This is why women should be left out of politics.

Having said that, if there was a way to hold back the tides and put lightning back in a bottle, I'd love to have both Tree and Candace on our side. They would be a formidable force.

All this fussing and fighting is such a detracting force. I won't ask the naive question of 'why can't we all get along', because we all know the answer to it: Some bitches want to get ahead at the expense of others. Remember Rihanna and "Bitch better have my money" - this is one of the most successful female artists of all time, just playing it for kicks. Because you know...

We may be heading for the greatest catfight of all time.

Bitch better have my particular political affiliation!

:-)


On another note, damn, I'm glad I never threw those dollars down for OWK!



[reductio ad absurdum]

Post: #34

< That mistress has some good stuff on her channel. She even accepts the race and IQ issue which so many blacks deny despite overwhelming factual evidence.

It's more that she mistrusts Candace Owens and I get it - she is well-off girl who was until recently a full-on liberal SJW who went to hundreds of auditions and tried to become famous. Now she got famous for joining the other side.

I get it that you can be mistrustful of that. But the mistress herself should not forget that she wasn't conservative and like-minded herself in the past. She admits that she was a member of the Nation of Islam and back then was very racist towards even the Whites who helped her in real life. She later left Islam and apologized to her friends.

But fact is that she was led astray by a negative ideology and by this constant white blaming for everything.





Anyway - we will find out whether Candace is real or not - personally I don't care too much - it's her life.

Post: #35

She received a $37,000 (ca. $50,000 today) payout in 2007 after someone in the car of the Governor’s son made “racist” and “threatening” calls to her.

The SCHOOL DISTRICT paid for it.

It was a race card hustle if ever one existed. Disgraceful.

I mean, seriously, this is everything that is wrong with American and Western “justice”.

I don’t condone unwarranted racist and threatening phone calls, but I am sick and tired of aggrieved people trying to financially rape hospital or school systems because they have a beef with some third party whom the systems really have no power to stop.

Wouldn’t it be great if an off-duty Verizon employee hit you and you deicded to sue the company for $100m?

https://www.theroot.com/candace-owens-wh...1825536071

Post: #36

My favorite gif is that third one, because when I look at this kind of thing, and think about it, I see myself passing by in a mirror on the way down.

Post: #37

(05-19-2018 05:58 AM)david.garrett84 Wrote:  She received a $37,000 (ca. $50,000 today) payout in 2007 after someone in the car of the Governor’s son made “racist” and “threatening” calls to her.

The SCHOOL DISTRICT paid for it.

It was a race card hustle if ever one existed. Disgraceful.

I mean, seriously, this is everything that is wrong with American and Western “justice”.

I don’t condone unwarranted racist and threatening phone calls, but I am sick and tired of aggrieved people trying to financially rape hospital or school systems because they have a beef with some third party whom the systems really have no power to stop.

Wouldn’t it be great if an off-duty Verizon employee hit you and you deicded to sue the company for $100m?

https://www.theroot.com/candace-owens-wh...1825536071

Candace's family were lefties, but the thing is this - the reason why this was even an issue was because the racism hucksters like Jesse Jackson were doing interviews in front of her house - he did not even care to talk with her personally, which is funny if you think about it. It's as if an agenda has to be pushed and nothing else.

My guess is that the dad was told to sue because he had a case with the publicity. The school paid up in order to end the negative press. It's all a sign of the madness. Of course people are going to abuse the system. Nothing has changed and even Booker T Washington was talking about those men in the black community.

Post: #38

Right after I posted gifs of a blond going down a rabbit hole I came across this.

Post: #39

Turning Point USA is seems to be just part of the cuckservative mainstream Republican view.

It's still controlled opposition of some sorts.

Though even on our side you have the likes of Sargon of Akkad who are not paid by anyone, who criticize mass migration, SJWs, communism, feminism, BlackLivesMatter etc. But at the same time Sargon claims that racial evolution is only skin-deep and concerned with every body part except the brain. He had entire videos out extolling the reason for black athletes physical performance, but then at the same time evolution stopped at the brain and we are all equal in that regard. He also started telling stories of how he is actually black, because his grandfather was Caribbean mixed. Also that Italians are not White - they were I guess Kangz.

So yeah - the ideologies abound plenty as both sides end up with one goal ultimately:

The destruction of Western and White civilizations and then a One World Government. Turning Point USA, Democrat Party, Antifa and even Infowars - none of them will stop it and the slightly opposing sides are just leading the people into dead-end solutions while the globalists keep on doing their thing. If there is too much resistance for now, then they simply take a step backwards and then move forward a couple years later.

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(05-19-2018 05:27 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  < That mistress has some good stuff on her channel. She even accepts the race and IQ issue which so many blacks deny despite overwhelming factual evidence.

At first, I thought you were just trolling us all.

But now I can see you really are serious about this shit, aren't you?


By this point I don't think anyone really cares.

I tried to book a session with Mistress Amazon but when she told me how much it cost, and I replied to her: 'how fucking much?', she just started abusing me down the phone, which was kind of erotic in itself, I'm not ashamed to admit! Sub 6'3" piece of white trash that I am.

Joke's on her! I got a freebie!






"All the fags and the dykes" - wouldn't get away with that shit today.


Bitches just doing what bitches do. Don't pay any attention to any of them.

Post: #41

(05-19-2018 12:46 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  










My favorite gif is that third one, because when I look at this kind of thing, and think about it, I see myself passing by in a mirror on the way down.

You ain't in Kansas anymore Dorothy!

(sorry to dox your real name, d.)

This day was always going to come.

By the way, Dorothy, to cure your predicament, turn your mirror upside down before bedtime! You'll be right-way up in no time.

Post: #42

Can't just disagree with Shapiro, has to use the condescending mom knows best voice that the liberals use.

This could be how it starts.

She gets comfortable, starts talking down to everyone, stops being effective, ends up in padded room.

Post: #43

I like that.

Black Lives Matters started by 3 black lesbians (and Soros of course)?





No wonder that the black fathers are not a priority - lesbians have no need for cis-black scum.

Post: #44

She's live on Rogan today at 1:30 PST.

Post: #45

Yeah, but can she cook and clean?

Post: #46

(05-19-2018 01:49 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  So yeah - the ideologies abound plenty as both sides end up with one goal ultimately:

The destruction of Western and White civilizations and then a One World Government. Turning Point USA, Democrat Party, Antifa and even Infowars - none of them will stop it and the slightly opposing sides are just leading the people into dead-end solutions while the globalists keep on doing their thing. If there is too much resistance for now, then they simply take a step backwards and then move forward a couple years later.

I have to disagree, I will list my reasons below.

1) This reeks of purity spiraling: either people go 100% redpill, or they're some kind of NWO shill. Nonsense. An attractive, articulate black woman getting celebrity for being pro-Trump is a minor disaster for the left. They depend on having monopoly power over minority groups, and Candace Owens is undermining that.
2) Having diverse voices protest the increasingly deranged globalist left is hugely helpful. At the point where liberal jews, black women, white nationalists etc. are all actively opposed to the globalist left, or at least openly critical/skeptical, their NWO simply cannot succeed.
3) You have to accept that distasteful things are absolutely necessary to win in politics. Thots on twitter posing with rifles to show they are "dangerous" and attention whore is super annoying, but it is actually great for the second amendment. Milo being faggy and ridiculous while cheering Trump was also helpful. So is having low T cuck liberal men get on their high horse about "free speech for everyone". In a sane society, land owning men over the age of 35 would be the openly people allowed to vote. Sadly, we do not live in a sane society, have to deal in realpolitik.

Ultimately, our society is absolutely headed for a crash and burn style collapse. No question about it, it is coming and nothing can stop it. What you need to consider is how we avoid the worst kinds of atrocities on the way there, and position ourselves to rebuild constructively afterwards.

Post: #47

(05-31-2018 03:03 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  She's live on Rogan today at 1:30 PST.

She won't stop saying "like" and "literally."

Post: #48

(05-31-2018 05:21 PM)renotime Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 03:03 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  She's live on Rogan today at 1:30 PST.

She won't stop saying "like" and "literally."

She is really talking down to Rogan sometimes, like he is just there to be schooled, and even if she doesn't have any facts to back it up, she says, "I just know," and moves on.

She is smart and funny and so quick, but she just sounds like a spoiled rich girl to me.

I will listen to the second half today, but my gut is telling me to proceed with caution and see how she is acting next year rather then jumping on board the C.O. bandwagon.

It sounds like this is going to her head, fair enough, getting that much attention would be intense for anyone, and she isn't even thirty, so I would watch out for her in the near future talking about something she doesn't know anything about with full authority, and then doubling down when she is corrected, and talking down to anyone who disagrees with her.

Kind of a repeat of her Blaire White meltdown, on a larger stage.

I wish the best for her though.

Post: #49

I couldn't listen to the whole thing. She talks like a teenager from the valley. And what took her so long to go the right? Did she realize she'd get more attention?

If she had to choose between the perfect husband and 2 kids or a 2 million followers on twitter what do you think she'd go with?

Post: #50

(06-01-2018 12:26 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 05:21 PM)renotime Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 03:03 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  She's live on Rogan today at 1:30 PST.

She won't stop saying "like" and "literally."

She is really talking down to Rogan sometimes, like he is just there to be schooled, and even if she doesn't have any facts to back it up, she says, "I just know," and moves on.

She is smart and funny and so quick, but she just sounds like a spoiled rich girl to me.

I will listen to the second half today, but my gut is telling me to proceed with caution and see how she is acting next year rather then jumping on board the C.O. bandwagon.

It sounds like this is going to her head, fair enough, getting that much attention would be intense for anyone, and she isn't even thirty, so I would watch out for her in the near future talking about something she doesn't know anything about with full authority, and then doubling down when she is corrected, and talking down to anyone who disagrees with her.

Kind of a repeat of her Blaire White meltdown, on a larger stage.

I wish the best for her though.

I don't buy her conservatism. All her talking points are the ones that are gonna get her taken in as one of the right's own, even after her lifetime of being a liberal. Two years ago, pfffttttt.

I also don't think she's all that smart. She's smarter than many blue pilled lefty journalists, but among the new right she's below average. Watching her deny climate change (which I sort of do too) on JRE was painful. She had zero counter points ready. Her denial was akin to moral relativism, "you do you, I'll do me". Uhh it doesn't work that way with complex and important social issues, you can't just say you don't believe and not give a good reason.

Now she's justifying it by saying "I've gotta be real". She's a shit talker, 110%. An opportunist cashing in on a glaring need the conservatives had.