Post: #26

Yeah, when I dated a Bangladeshi girl years ago I ended up having to flee the country due to male relatives and (her father said) a hired hit man. I didn't hate the race, but I sure hated the culture.

Post: #27

(05-18-2018 03:09 PM)Matsufubu Wrote:  Yeah, when I broke up with a Bangladeshi girl years ago I ended up having to flee the country due to male relatives and a hired hitman. I didn't hate the race, but I sure hated the culture.

We're gonna need more to this story. I just cracked open a beer and put fresh batteries in my vape so I'm settled in for a good long read.

Post: #28

Just hating the fuck out of everyone, no matter their race, color or musical tastes works for me.

Post: #29

The concept of "racism" when it comes to groups of people is made-up bullshit.

The instinct of distrusting and disliking members of another "tribe" is as natural to the human condition as the instincts of wanting to eat and have sex. Especially among men.

Men view other men who are different than them as interlopers. They fear those men will either want to commit violence to the opposing tribe or will want to breed with the women.

All of this is in our DNA. You can try to ignore it, but when tragedies like Hurricane Katrina happen, humans will seek to protect their own first, and push away anyone who is different.

The word "racism" was invented by commie Leon Trotsky to stigmatize the basic human traits of fearing for our safety and wanting to protect our own. Leave it to liberals to shame emotions that help us protect our families.

All that said, a good rule to go by is "Accept the individual; be wary of the tribe."

Americans get prejudice wrong by taking their dislike of groups out in individuals. For example, you might despise the way the Irish drink or the Italians were into organized crime. Fair enough. But finding specific members of these groups and giving them shit is just rude. These people might not represent (or even know about) their group. Plus, individuals from different tribes can have a lot in common notwithstanding their backgrounds.

On the other hand, when dealing with a group different than your own it's entirely natural to be on guard. Limousine liberals will tell you otherwise, but their either being naive or deliberately obtuse.

Post: #30

^There's no reason to have a distrust of anyone different from you. I'm Indian and I get along great with rural conservative whites, Mexicans and Nigerians in particular. I don't think it's about innately distrusting other cultures, it's more about finding which cultures are a good fit for who you are as a person. In my life, I've found that there are some categories of people that by and large I just do not gel with. I've never had friends from those groups and my interactions with them have largely been hostile/negative. Conversely there are other Indian people I know who get along great with people from those groups.

It's about where you fit in IMO, not immediately distrusting people because of their background.

Post: #31

I don't trust anyone, but I'm courteous to all. I generally find that many people of ME origin look down upon Blacks. It's an innate thing, in my experience. I don't hold it against them, but it does nothing to endear them to me. I don't hate them, but I'm not looking to spend my hard-earned dollars as a tourist in those countries.

That said, I would suggest not treating strangers with hostility until they give you a reason. You don't have to smile or be friendly, but you should extend courtesy until they make it clear that they're the sort of person you do not like.

Post: #32

(05-18-2018 12:54 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Hey Dark Knight, I'm Pakistani - I'll be your friend, we can meet and hangout in Kona's Hawaiian ethnostate.

They need to be full on racist before they come. This guy is just becoming one now. It takes time.

Aloha!

Post: #33

^^ Spam for all my friends. #teamSpam

Post: #34

(05-19-2018 12:55 AM)Fortis Wrote:  I don't trust anyone, but I'm courteous to all. I generally find that many people of ME origin look down upon Blacks. It's an innate thing, in my experience. I don't hold it against them, but it does nothing to endear them to me. I don't hate them, but I'm not looking to spend my hard-earned dollars as a tourist in those countries.

That said, I would suggest not treating strangers with hostility until they give you a reason. You don't have to smile or be friendly, but you should extend courtesy until they make it clear that they're the sort of person you do not like.

The funny thing is that Middle Eastern Ex-Muslims are also very suspicious of every Muslim they meet.





This Iraqi Ex-Muslim said in one vid that he is very cautious about meeting other ME Muslims or even women. He always has to field-test the extent of their "religiousness" and the degree to which they are influenced by it. It's not racist - it's just common sense. You can blame Mohammed and his ilk for that crap.

One of the funniest things I heard was Jesse Jackson once saying that he feels shame, that he reacts "racist" at times too. He said that whenever he hears some men walking behind him, then he is relieved when it's two white dudes. He feels shame because he knows that he would be much more concerned if there were 2 black dudes. Of course he should not feel ashamed - the crime stats more than enough back it up. It's just common sense that 2 Asian blokes are 40+ times less likely to jump your ass at night. When it's two Hipster blacks or two blacks dressed in Armani suits then your chances for getting mugged also drop to zero. Common sense is always the answer.

Post: #35

(05-18-2018 03:01 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  I know that there are Roosh members who believe some groups are trying to take over their country. I'm also sure that a few members may have been assaulted by a guy or group of guys from an ethnic group. How did you guys avoid developing blanket prejudice against a tribe that could appear as discrimination at work?
TDK

There are a million justified reasons for your prejudice, which need no explanation for obvious reasons, and avoiding your feelings would only result in you lying to yourself. I understand how you must feel about the cognitive dissonance caused by how you WANT to feel about this and how you actually feel. It is what it is and instead of focusing on your feelings focus on what you can do about changing your life.

Given your qualifications combined with sufficient preparation and personal investment you will have no problem finding a different place in the world where social conditions and society in general have not yet degraded as much as in the U.K. Channel your feelings and passion into that instead of complaining or suffering in silence.

Because the situation is just going to get worse a little bit every single day. The U.K. as you know it is over and done, brother. And it will never come back in your lifetime. What lies ahead is nothing but decades and perhaps centuries of conflict, tears, blood, and struggle. Decide whether or not you want to be part of that or if you want to spend all that energy, your life, more productively somewhere else. Remember, you didn't ask for this, it was gradually imposed on you and your British compatriates.

Whatever you do, shut the fuck up about it and never do anything that could be used against you. There is no free speech in Britain and even what you may consider innocent remarks may land you in jail.

Peace and best of luck brother.

P.S.: And don't marry a British bird ;-)

Post: #36

(05-18-2018 03:09 PM)Matsufubu Wrote:  Yeah, when I dated a Bangladeshi girl years ago I ended up having to flee the country due to male relatives and (her father said) a hired hit man. I didn't hate the race, but I sure hated the culture.

Parents hiring a hitman to get rid of a red-pilled Bangladeshi PUA. ROOSH: That is a whole new level of game. This guy needs to be awarded a special forum rank ;-)

Post: #37

(05-18-2018 11:11 AM)Fisto Wrote:  OP, you should convert to the other religion so you will no longer be racist if you hate them.

Win.

^ This.

The old saying goes, "if you can't beat em, join em" I will most likely convert to be a Muslim man if the migrant crisis in Europe worsens lol

Post: #38

(05-19-2018 04:38 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  snip

I suspect that any Black dude who has lived in a bad spot has moments like that. Back when I was living in the USA, if I saw two dudes walking a little too close to me late at night, I would change my walking path a bit so that they couldn't trail me too hard. There's no reason to risk getting robbed or beaten at 2am when no one is around to help you call an ambulance. The difference between Jesse and I is that I felt 0 shame about it. In fact, I tend to count myself lucky for being able to spot potential threats and avoid them before they get to me.

I don't care if they might have DNA from the same village that my great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother is from.

Post: #39

(05-19-2018 05:17 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 04:38 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  snip

I suspect that any Black dude who has lived in a bad spot has moments like that. Back when I was living in the USA, if I saw two dudes walking a little too close to me late at night, I would change my walking path a bit so that they couldn't trail me too hard. There's no reason to risk getting robbed or beaten at 2am when no one is around to help you call an ambulance. The difference between Jesse and I is that I felt 0 shame about it. In fact, I tend to count myself lucky for being able to spot potential threats and avoid them before they get to me.

I don't care if they might have DNA from the same village that my great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother is from.

A friend of mine who spent his childhood in some small EE town once got jumped at night by a guy a couple years ago when EE was still poorer and much less safe. That guy turned out to be his former childhood friend who later became a drug addict. As he jumped out of the bushes with a knife drawn he quickly exclaimed: "Piotr! Hey! I almost robbed you!"

Post: #40

That's poetic.

Post: #41

It's all in your head (or more accurately some bullshit SJW thought implanted into it). Humans categorize fucking everything. That includes race, ethnicity, sexuality, gender, etc. The list could go on indefinitely.

It's ok to have prejudice, but if we are speaking from the standpoint of fairness (for all), prejudice is fucking horrible though. (Judging someone before you know them is a complete rejection of Western Civilizational foundations such as individualism for example) But we all have it, and some of it is warranted--the world is an immensely complex place, and sometimes the human brain makes shortcuts for it to be a bit easier to understand. I used to get really appalled talking to old people about race or politics, I thought they were being offensive. They have no filter, but more importantly they have a lifetime of experience seeing the fucking world. And now I understand it, I don't feel offended, they're just human beings sharing life experiences with me, and trying to be honest, that's so important.

The issue isn't race, or ethnicity, DNA, it's freaking culture (and to a large extent religion). Something that redpills you immediately is meeting immigrants from Africa (I think it's Western Africa, Nigeria, etc) these guys all work so hard, instill good values into their kids, and are living the dream here... Kids getting into multiple ivy schools etc.

Post: #42

(05-18-2018 03:11 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  We're gonna need more to this story. I just cracked open a beer and put fresh batteries in my vape so I'm settled in for a good long read.

I'll get there, lads. Bit busy this weekend with Harry and Meghan.

Post: #43

Let's look at this differently.

You and a woman freely chose to associate, and as you say had a relationship. What the official multiculturalism pushed on England teaches is that you aren't even allowed to THINK about other cultures or religions or analyze them in any fashion.

This woman's family from (insert any backwards irrational society) is a part of a system that rules themselves by brute force, literally beating down anyone who dares to think differently, dream differently, or question whatever irrational line of crap they were raised with. Outsiders of any flavor are a threat to their ways which are held together not by reason and evidence but by brute force, intimidation, and setting examples for young persons to see about what happens to anyone who strays. You see the problem is not particular to India or Islam, it is a problem of irrationality. The parents do not believe any of the things they pass on, they just use them and the subsequent beatings as a means of having power. They chose a long time ago to give into their own beatings and had independent thought squashed out of them a long time ago. This woman will choose the same eventually and will have a story to share in secret about how she once strayed but was wrong. How ironic that England allows them to draw this line around themselves and protects any inquiry into whether or not they fit into Western values.

Then a question arises? Who is doing this? Who is allowing the wanton overlaying of incompatible cultures and the subsequent banning of all though or discussion on the topic? Well that's another thread perhaps.

What you feel is not racism but rather a disgust at what you have seen. You are smart enough to know that these elements rule these cultures and you smell it when you encounter "them" now as easily as you smell their disgusting food. If you feel hatred toward this, you are right to do so. The hatred you feel is justified and is not "racism." You hate the brutal use of force and threats to further an irrational and stupid waste of human life, potential to think feel and love. You also know it is a lost cause and you will not be able to replace her with another from her tribe, because you have seen that the irrational tribalism rules them. Could there be an exception?
Of course! I am sure there are countless Indian or other totally rational families somewhere. You can give anyone a chance as long as you are wiling to move on very quickly when you see signs of what you just experienced. If this hardens your heart and you know not to waste too much time looking for a needle in a haystack this does not make you a racist. You just have no intention of being a martyr. It is important that people start taking ideas seriously. Just like you wouldn't drink water from a river with shit floating in it, ideas can be poison as well.

You loved this woman and she loved you but the family and tribe not only don't care they are willing to physically beat it out of her and beat it out of you. If the beating doesn't work they will just kill you. What better way can you think of to say that autonomous mind of their daughter means nothing to them. Whip, slap, beat, hit, shove, yell. They cannot access her mind or heart which they wound shut down and snuff out if they could, so they attack the body. As you are not a member, they can only beat or kill you, they don't expect obedience. Your being of the chocolate persuasion is not the cause of their hatred, it just allows the family to add more sting to the paddle. The cause, is that this woman dared to think for herself.

Indeed it is disgusting and morally revulsive what this family is doing to this woman AND to you. These people come for the hard currency and its value created by Western minds but spit on the ideas that created it. You, being born in England have access to the products of the only civilization (Western) that has ever existed which placed reason and evidence over tribal irrationality as a fundamental feature of it's existence as opposed to glimmers of it at periods of time as seen in China and in the Arab world. As you are an Englishman, I suggest that this family hates whatever part of you is Western in your thinking, more so than the specific labels you have identified as of black or catholic. Indeed -- in their minds this is something to latch on to but it does not explain what you have experienced and why. Thinking in this limited manner which is what they do, will only leave you restless as to the real reasons. You have expressed this indirectly showing you question it...

You are also witnessing the attempted destruction of the very ideas that enabled you to rightly feel revulsion at this family's brute and violent nature. If you draw any conclusions, you will be branded as racist, and your skin color will not protect you in the new era of elevating the most savage, most idiotic cultures and individuals on earth to the level of protected unquestionable classes.

Lots of people know you can't say such and such things at "work" or fear losing your job. The UK is now like "work." I double dog dare you to share on facebook your doubts about the Indians or whomever has wounded you. It would be a neat experiment because it is 100% certain if you were white you would soon be in jail for your thoughts. Perhaps your time in jail for "racism" is not so far off either. I'm partly kidding of course.

By posting this thread you are far too worried about being called a racist and not enough worried about your important choices. You can choose to live in a forced socialist hell doing work not exactly how you want to and ignoring what you know and observe, and playing with fire with these women, or you can decide your values and design your life accordingly. You have intelligence, talent and now training in medicine and you should be with a woman who worships you as her man and her family should be absolutely and unquestionably supportive regardless of their background !! If not, NEXT. Why are you fucking around?? Are you yourself unsure of your commitment to live rationally?? Choose and don't let it be up for compromise.

It is your decency as a good man that this family hates, not your skin color.

In the real world (not in the fantastic world of Bolshevik Communism disguised as multiculturalism in the UK political world) real racism when it does rarely exist is actually easy to defeat. Choose to live rationally and think for yourself. If your conclusions push you away from tribalism and primitivism you have defeated "racism" in the only manner possible.

Pick a side, dark knight. Rational, or irrational. This will have practical consequences. Do you want your future children to have the shit beat from them when they think of a new idea or ask the mother a question she doesn't want to be asked?

Time to sharpen up your dating choices.

Post: #44

Read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius. Then read it again. Make stoicism your second religion.

"You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this and you will find strength."

Post: #45

I wouldn't describe you as racist, you obviously had a thing for the girl, you liked her both physically and wanted her as a potential wife. What we have here is a clash of cultures, you are not culturally compatible because the family does not approve. This was something that existed in Western culture less than 50 years ago, I have an old relative who was not permitted to marry a woman because she was a protestant and he is a catholic. I'd recommend meeting someone who is catholic, or Christian or perhaps someone who is agnostic even (but not anti religious) so that you do not have these issues. Ultimately, if this girl was from a different religion or culture, or family, everything would have worked out. So it is the culture, nothing to do with race.

All I am saying is that racism to me is a theory based on avoiding a group based on their racial genetics etc etc, to me this is cultural / religious.

Post: #46

Many thanks for all your thoughtful words.

I must value myself and the western ideals I was raised in. I will no longer become romantically involved with women from cultures ( South, Central and West Asia) that I know are close minded - violently so.

The conclusion from this thread , I need to find a country that values western, Judeo-Christian values and will defend them against threats, not just for me but for any children I produce. It most certainly is not England.

Key Techniques I learnt thanks to this thread

1) That said, I would suggest not treating strangers with hostility until they give you a reason
2) All that said, a good rule to go by is "Accept the individual; be wary of the tribe
3) If you can pinpoint when you're having an irrational thought then just mark it as irrational and move on
4) It's probably best to be courteous to them. Leave it at them, you don't have to be friends, keep it professional and courteous
5) If one ideology and their attitudes towards you are negative, then that does not mean that all of the people are like that
6) The ability to differentiate between people on an individual basis
7) Work is like a game, and the game is make the public happy
8) You don't know them, you just take them as they are, as elements of your environment

TDK

Post: #47

really nice takeaway

Post: #48

How has all this played out?

Post: #49

I'm a "racist" on a macro level... In terms of politics and social trends one of my first questions is "how will this effect me as a white man."

On an individual level racism is a weakness, you really need to evaluate things on an individual level. My best friend is black and he's the only person I've rolled with for a decade plus (everyone else has faded, moved, dead etc)

Post: #50

Great feedback here, and I like how the OP showed he actually drew something of value from it. But OP, your whithholding of the exact races and details makes it painfully clear you've bought into the demonization of racism way too much.

I don't see myself as racist. I actually pride myself on being able to get along with and almost completely fit in with people of all cultures and backgrounds. On the other hand, this ability has also shown me all peoples are racist. As others have pointed out, racism and tribalism are very natural.

As is the tendency to judge people based on your own experiences.

I fully support you fighting any biased tendencies these things drive you towards, but being so afraid of being "racist" that you'll not even divulge the detail in your first post indicates to me that the problem is less so racism than it is your aversion to it. You're obviously sensitive enough about the possibility of being a racist, judgemental prick that you made a post about it - I think that all in all you'll be alright.

Stereotypes are painfully obviously full of some truth sometimes. You can acknowledge that without completely closing yourself off to the potential of individuals.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling