Post: #1

Tomorrow I have a lunch date with a beautiful girl who has very low interest in me. I think she had an open position for orbiter but fuck that. She didn't put much effort into following up conversation with me after our first meet so I allowed our conversation to discontinue. She saw me in public today and she opened conversation.

"Hi!"
"Hi, Iris right?"
"Yes, long time no see"

Using her facial expression I can tell she doesn't remember my name even though we already went out once about a month ago

"Yes, long time no see. Do you remember my name?"
"Ummm"
"That's okay, are these your friends?" (They're about 10 meters in front of us staring, may not understand English)
"Yes"
"Okay, when we meet each other you can listen for my name and then you can pretend like you remembered"
Coming towards her friends who are already closer
" Hey, how are you? I'm ShuaiGe"

Maybe they didn't understand English but their torsos were turned away so after reading them for a couple seconds I turn back to Iris and say
"I think your friends are a little shy"
"Yeah maybe a little tired from school, class just finished"
"Are you going to go to get something to eat?"
"No we're going home"
"Do you have time to have lunch or dinner together tomorrow?"
"Yes, how about twenty o clock?"
"Okay sounds good, see you tomorrow"
"Okay bye"

Originally put off by her lack of effort to continue conversation, more put off by the fact that she didn't remember my name I feel a high possibility of her flaking on me. I feared that she might just have wanted to avoid rejecting me to my face, also I felt I asked too fast but I didn't plan on seeing this girl again, so a few minutes later I send her a message.



Nothing after that.

I don't care about the possibility of squandering the slim possibility of sex on this date because if she didn't care enough to remember my name then it's likely nothing will not result in sex.

I think that I'm not going to send a confirmation message tomorrow in the form of asking where we'll meet. Or should I cancel on her directly? But she's beautiful enough she probably isn't used to that happening at all. Could this raise my value in her eyes and then try for a different date later? I'm already over this girl I think I might try it just to try it out and learn more about game and female psychology.

I invite you to give me advice and share relevant experiences

Post: #2

Be straightforward, confident and honest. Whatever happens, you'll keep her respect. (A distant second to fucking her, but still second best.)

"I'm think we're not connecting on a real level. Let's do lunch some other time?"

Post: #3

Different Strokes for different folks but the majority of the time I will flake. Sometimes if I get a new plate or if I'm just busy with life. Once again I will run cocky aloof game so it may not work for everybody. Even before my roster was stacked women always thought i didn't care about them like most guys and in turn, worked the same way as a neg but without ever saying nothing but positive words to them. I'm sure if you sprinkle in a flake sporadically it will 1. Rebuff you of the frame of being to clingy. 2. Plays with her emotional rollercoaster in which women love. and 3. It will give you a clearer indication on what she thinks of your value.

Post: #4

Its more important that your other actions with her not be needy. If they are, a flake won't overcome it, you'll just seem like a flake. And if your other actions are non-needy, a flake will be seen for what it is. If you con't explain it, its just rude. If you explain it - i'm sick - then she'll put it down to that.

Strategic flaking is just stupid. That said, double booking has become necessary so occassionally the first one will show up and you'll want to delay or cance the second.

Post: #5

I just flaked on a hot chick who I just felt wasn’t worth the effort. I was playing aloof and it worked for the most part, but when I did ask her to go with me to my favorite chicken wing spot, she went on and on about it not being healthy blah blah blah. So I said we can go wherever when I get off work. I text her if she’s ready then she says she has something to do and could we do it tomorrow. I say sure, we’ll go to XYZ for taco Tuesday the following day.
Tuesday came, she text me right before I get off and I flaked. “My apologies I can’t make it tonight.” She responded with a “wow” and I left it at that. Fuck her, I was pissed for completely wasting my time the day before. Truthfully, IDGAF if I talk to her again. I have waaaay too much value to chase a bish who’s only value is her ass.

Post: #6

Not sure if it raised my perceived value. It probably made her not feel so good.

I had 2 girls booked for one night. One was taking a 2 hour bus into the city to meet me and another is a published model from the city. Because I wasn't sure if the girl taking the bus would flake, I double booked them but then the girl taking the bus pulled through so I decided to flake on the model girl because the other one was taking a bus 2 hours to see me.

From my perspective the model girl will be in the city while the other one will only be in town briefly so she got priority (I eventually banged the model also).

Turns out the one taking the bus came with her friend who I told to find her own place. After I banged the bus girl, I told her I wanted to bang her friend also and she actually arranged a threesome with her friend her and me but I bailed because I ate a ton of food and they wanted to go out first.

OP It sounds like you're trying to control the outcome of the situation by playing head games (I only read the title and the last part of your post). If you have a legit reason to flake then flake but if you don't then why shoot yourself in the foot especially if you don't care. Meet her and go for the bang.

You shouldn't be asking her "where will we meet" to begin with. If you are going to confirm, text her where YOU WANT to meet. She'll either agree or offer an alternative place which means she is confirmed or she wont reply which means she flaked.

Post: #7

Flaking on a date for me is retaliatory.
I once didn't show up to a date when a girl texted to tell me she shoved the date in between work and a friend outing... That's a bad plan in my eyes. Setting a date means you clear the night for me. I didn't want to see her again.

I wouldn't flake as a strategy to "increase perceived value". How is being absent going to increase your value? Being present is the only way to show value.

On the other hand, I had a girl flake on me on a date. She lived across the street from the bar and had slept in.
The great thing about this situation is she felt bad about it, and I transitioned the makeup date to a bang very easily. She even paid for all my drinks.

Post: #8

Sure, I got important shit to do that's more necessary than some ho I haven't even met yet in some cases. I don't leave it last-minute though.

Post: #9

Text her, "I'm not feeling anything with you, so best we be friends"

And then go radio silent.

She will go nuts and chase you, "nobody friend zones baby".

Post: #10

Flaking has worked for me sometimes, when the girl was still trying to figure out what level I am at compared to her. On the other hand when I've had dates with very attractive girls with overinflated egos and flaked, they've gotten pissed and not wanted to reschedule.

I have never flaked strategically though. I flake if something comes up basically.