Post: #1

Hey guys,

I didn’t come here to spread negativity. I actually see a lot of intelligent people on here, more so than I see on reddit and many other forums.

So I just moved to a new city a couple months ago. I am curious if any guys after waking up to the red pill have just completely disregarded women all together and focused on building your life. The thing is I really chased women a lot, and although I only banged a few quality women...I’ll admit I lowered my standards back in the day (not proud at all). I had a couple LTRs and those are what really awoke me to women’s true nature.

I feel that I have robbed myself a lot of time by chasing women and should instead pursue something like a business, health, etc. I am open to all criticism, perhaps I am being a whiner. I just feel like the time and effort to pursue these women in 2018 is a waste. I’ve seen women ruin men’s life. I learned that my own mother was a lying drug addict who slept around on my pops...I am not here to bitch about women’s nature or receive approval in my line of thought.

I just wanted to know if there was any other guys out there who felt the same, and perhaps could play devils advocate. Mgtow has appealed to me a lot lately, the idea of mastery over myself seems more fulfilling. Am I rationalizing?

Post: #2

This is not a MGTOW forum.

...and your topic has nothing to do with game.

Post: #3

This isn't an MGTOW forum. We dont hate women here, we just accept their flaws and try to bang them. Usually MGTOW are annoying incels who can't get laid and they transmute their sexual frustration into a stupid movement nobody gives a shit about. You don't want to bang girls? Great, more for the rest of us. While you're at it could you convince 100 men that are more attractive than me to do the same? I mean if you want to chop some game up by all means let's do it, I'll throw in my 2c. But nobody appreciates the negativity and defeatism.

The only reason I would give a single shit about a bunch of losers swearing off women because they feel like they're entitled to them without putting in the work is that they exist in a similar sphere as me and it's bad optics, and occasionally I run across some neckbeard in the wild that throws kamikaze salt in my game.

Personally I think ya'll are kinda gay too. Get together with a bunch of men who swear off women? And you're not even being paid for it like in the military or something?

Also here's a mind blowing idea. Don't let women run your life. Focus on self improvement AND bang girls in whatever proportion you want. Like one week you could not give a shit about girls, then 1 day the next week you could spend some free time enjoying ones company. Find a balance between women and life like every successful man since the dawn of time.

Post: #4

Not here to argue. I appreciate your input.

Post: #5

(07-11-2018 10:44 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  Also here's a mind blowing idea. Don't let women run your life. Focus on self improvement AND bang girls in whatever proportion you want. Like one week you could not give a shit about girls, then 1 day the next week you could spend some free time enjoying ones company. Find a balance between women and life like every successful man since the dawn of time.

Good advice, try find balance.

OP, you've recognised that you've been unbalanced and spent too much time/effort pursuing women. You could try 'Monk Mode' which is temporarily focussing on bettering yourself and single-mindedly pursuing your goals.

Now that you've recognised that you're disatissifed it might be time to look inward, ask yourself what your really want to achieve and then begin working towards that.

Post: #6

I'm mostly on the MGTOW path, largely because I have trouble finding women who I would consider banging. The state of American womanhood is pathetic.
There are so few who pass the boner test and of those there are rarely any who are single. So, I try to work on myself.

Yeah, I could do really well with the over 50 crowd, but I am so not interested in women who are past their expiration date.

Post: #7

(07-11-2018 10:35 PM)Mikeyd03 Wrote:  I feel that I have robbed myself a lot of time by chasing women and should instead pursue something like a business, health, etc. I am open to all criticism, perhaps I am being a whiner. I just feel like the time and effort to pursue these women in 2018 is a waste. I’ve seen women ruin men’s life. I learned that my own mother was a lying drug addict who slept around on my pops...I am not here to bitch about women’s nature or receive approval in my line of thought.
I just wanted to know if there was any other guys out there who felt the same, and perhaps could play devils advocate. Mgtow has appealed to me a lot lately, the idea of mastery over myself seems more fulfilling. Am I rationalizing?

Your core problem with women stems from a clearly shitty relationship with your mom. You need to deal with that shit first.

Next, you have a choice. You can go MGTOW and be a bitter angry man who jerks off into his socks every day, or you can be a man who accepts human nature and works to constantly improve your life.

Part of going red pill is the eventual realization that everyone... including yourself is driven mostly by base instincts and the only way to deal with it is to accept it without anger or bitterness and begin working within your own nature to achieve the things you want in life.

Also... everything you do to work on and improve yourself also improves your success with women. So you ask if you should spend more time chasing women or improving yourself? The answer is both. The better you get at one thing the better you become at the other. You should strive to balance your life. Work, play, relationships... these are all requirements to fulfill you!

Ok... to take the MGTOW bitter bullshit and rid yourself of it. Men can suck just as hard as women... and we have our own version of Alpha Fux Beta Bux that women must deal with.

Post: #8

This isn't a MGTOW forum. That said, it isn't a bad idea to lock down a decent chick and focus on your $$$, health and lifestyle. You'll never regret that.

Post: #9

@endsexpect Yeah man, thanks for the reply. I agree, I do also feel that the shitty relationship with my mom has been reinforced by shitty relationships with other women. You’re right though, thus is nature.

I have to be honest though I do feel that there is a fundamental disconnect in the smp. I’m a guy personally who focuses on self improvement a lot...lifting, reading...got a better job, new city. But it’s like there’s an upper limit to self improvement even. I’m a normal looking guy and in 2018 i have to be honest that men are really disposable. I won’t stop trying to improve, but I am going take your advice and sort my issues out. I’ll revisit game at that time. Thanks sir.

Post: #10

I can completely understand the frustration with women and contemporary dating dynamics. However, I’m starting to see a trend where men’s frustrations seem to stem from a sense of entitlement. There are countless posts sprinkled throughout this forum highlighting men’s befuddlement with the fact they have good jobs, decent looks and of anglo decent yet women seemingly pass them by. All those attributes mean jack shit if you’re a creepy corny douche who isn’t great with people, period. If you’re a likeable guy, by people in general, you’re likely favorable among women as well.


I saw this post on FB and it’s funny, yet sad and true for EVERYONE unless you set yourself apart.

Post: #11

@dime bait I hear what you’re saying about entitlement, but that’s the thing...I dont feel entitled at all...it’s just that I see things for what they are. I do not feel that I deserve a hot woman because I am breathing, I just try to be objective about things. I will continue to put in work on myself, but I understand that in 2018 that work will not be rewarded fairly in the smp. Most bottom tier women feel entitled to a top tier man. Of course I want to become a top tier man, not just for woman, but bescause why not. I do understand what you’re saying though, thanks for your input.

Post: #12

(07-11-2018 10:35 PM)Mikeyd03 Wrote:  I feel that I have robbed myself a lot of time by chasing women [...]

This your primary reason you're on this planet, called earth - if your dad didn't chase your mum, before that your grandpa didn't chase your grandma, before that your grand-grandpa didn't chase your grand-grandma, before that ...

... then you wouldn't write and entertain your thoughts in this post.

Chasing women is the most natural, obvious, healthy, productive and biologically purposeful male activity - don't let your mind get brainwashed by the feminist society telling you to the contrary.

Chase them, sex them.