Post: #1

During the height of PUA madness, there was a bunch of high quality forums available where hundreds of thousands of people were actively posting reports, sharing new "methods" and such.

Now I cannot find a forum on the internet for the life of me that is actually active (has a large population and also has a healthy amount of traffic) besides this site. mASF (Fastseduction) was a goldmine but it seems to be completely dead.

Are there any other forums existing that discuss topics revolving around how to sleep with women and are actually active (for example, yes, mpua forum exists but it is almost dead compared to the goldmine it was many years ago).

Post: #2

This forum and nextASF are the only decent ones with the traditional bulletin board layout.

RSDNation is a nuclear wasteland now filled with sluthate/lookism/blackpill trolls, Simple Pickup Forums were always dominated by high schoolers, Reddit is...well, Reddit.

Otherwise, make a Facebook account (a fake one if you want) then go join Todd V Insiders and this other group which is managed by Mystery (3 Second Rule, I think?). I know Todd V Insiders is ran by intelligent, skilled, and experienced people.

However, most PUA activity these days is confined to private Telegram and Discord groups. I pretty much stopped posting in any forum or Facebook group because I get much faster feedback from Telegram and Discord. Go look up the Discord for 'The Red Pill' in particular.

Post: #3

There's a cultural shift. Young people in their late teens and earlier twenties are less sexually active than in past generations, smart phone addiction means that both men and women are less interested in doing anything that takes effort and the non-autist, non-clueless men out there have realized that getting sex isn't a video game.

The Mystery era was fueled by a video-game style approach to getting laid and it worked, to a degree, but the trend has been away from that for good reason.

A lot of guys in the movement became aware that game isn't an end until itself and became more interested in general self-improvement and other life goals. There's been a realization in many that

(1) Banging girls that you don't actually like leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
(2) After you've racked up a certain number of bangs, quality is by far superior to quantity.
(3) General self-improvement provides more lasting satisfaction than one-off bangs, but it also leads to more bangs.

Myself as an example, benefitted enormously from the game wisdom developed and taught in the Mystery Era. Most of that wisdom still holds true and is valuable. Two years ago, I wrapped up 14 months living in a bachelor pad that although awesome, took far too much of my monthly income to pay for. It allowed me to host parties with up to 20 guests and had awesome logistics for dates and nightgame, but I wanted that experience without the stress of worrying about making rent each month.

So, in the last two years, my focus has been on building a business that will allow me to live somewhere desirable with enough cash to spare to save towards retirement, enjoy a solid bachelor pad and travel when I want to. I want to arrive at age 40 (in eight years) with a solid business that gives me work on my own terms, being in great physical shape, having a sustainable wardrobe and a lifestyle that attracts women naturally.

This requires a lot more that just what pickup style game offers.

Post: #4

I have lurked on the forum for 5+ years and Suits’ reply has perfectly captured my view on game/self improvement (which has developed significantly over the 5 years that I have lurked on this forum).

Due to rooshv forum fatigue I have been trying to find an additional forum to lurk on and gain insights in the last couple of months but I have not found anywhere else with as much depth, breadth and detail as this one. Hats of to you Gentleman. Apologies for the brown nosing post.

Post: #5

Two great posts from two points of view.

MathGuy has been in the trenches for a couple of years and is still in the weeds when it comes to testing various content. I vouch for his knowledge of the latest gurus and which ones are good, bad, and ugly...he can point you in the right direction for all things pick-up, or somebody who might know better.

Suits has been at this for a while and has a number of years of experience, and the perspective that comes with it...the "I've banged some chicks...what's next?" point of view. It is overwhelmingly the trend that guys who dive into game to get chicks end up pursuing broader self-improvement, applying the lessons they learn along the way.

The average demographic on RVF is in the mid-30s, which is why this board has the breadth of topics covered, and why many longer-term members are more focused on careers and lifestyle than game (as opposed to RSD, etc.) The other factor is that the various "lairs" and local boards of the day 1) didn't have the breadth and depth of content as non-geographically focused ones, and 2) largely existed to funnel clueless dudes towards local pickup "coaches".

Post: #6

Social connections have continued to degrade so that, in combination with indoctrination of women in general and into career pawns, quality pairing has all but vanished. It became first messy randomness that leads to many failures until an eventual match, then into a cynical period (now) of hookup culture which is exacerbated by entertainment addictions in a declining society.

I always understood the "What's the point?" would be where I would land, but still strangely I feel like it was almost an inevitable experience to then repent from and try to find a better location where actual quality women are, which is the most obvious thing you learn by traveling. You see that global and American culture change, and/or are getting worse, and local environment really means everything. It's hard to be in foreign environments for a long period of time, though, depending on who you are...

You can still do it in the US, but it's literally a jackpot kind of thing. And the age gap - shaming makes it like hitting a POWERBALL ticket. Even for successful good looking guys.

Post: #7

(07-16-2018 08:44 PM)polar Wrote:  Suits has been at this for a while and has a number of years of experience, and the perspective that comes with it...the "I've banged some chicks...what's next?" point of view. It is overwhelmingly the trend that guys who dive into game to get chicks end up pursuing broader self-improvement, applying the lessons they learn along the way.

Fortis and I have discussed this a number of times. We both hit a point where we achieved a steady supply of satisfying sex and weren't very motivated to put all our resources into trying to push the envelope as far as possible by pursuing sex with the hottest girls possible.

I personally didn't get into game because I was not banging 9's. I got into game because nothing above a 4 would even acknowledge my existence. If I'd been taken serious by 5's when I was 20, I'd have gotten married by 23 like every one of my siblings did.

The investment required with my current resources to consistently get 8's or 9's is in my calculations, simply not worth the trouble. I'm happy with my 6's and 7's for the present. My dick is not lonely. Rather, when I do the math, it simply makes sense to pursue the long game in maintaining quality.

Let's face it, there's very few 50 year old men anywhere in the world who are pulling women 20 years younger than them, aside from those "pulling" in Philippines with soft-prostitution.

So, having tight street/club game that allows me to pull 8's right now when I'm 32 is not a priority to me. That type of game will not age well. Rather, since I'm having fully satisfying sex currently (albeit, not with 8's), I'd rather use my available resources towards having killer lifestyle game at 40+.

I'd rather be still banging cute 5's and 6's at 48, than banging 8's and 9's at 32, but having nothing to show for it (and limited access to pussy 15 years later.

Therefore, my efforts currently are targeted at:

(1) Having a great body at 40 and onward. I'm already working towards this. I get away with being a little out of shape currently, but I don't think it well sell well in 4+ years.

(2) Having the income to pay for a desirable lifestyle without needing to work 50+ hour weeks till age 65 to achieve it. To this end, I'm focusing my energy on creating scalable assets that reduce and remove the link between the amount of time I work and the amount of money I earn.

This goal would include being able to afford quality housing with a good party set-up, a killer wardrobe, frequent travel to exotic locations, some fun toys, such as a sailboat, cool car, etc.

(3) Earning my income from sources that don't make me significantly location dependent, so that I can establish myself wherever my access to pussy is going to be the most ideal. Let's face it, there are definitely places where the ladies are going to be a lot more open to taking dick from a 50+ white male in good shape and with an attractive lifestyle to share.

I simply don't have the resources (time, money, energy) to put the time into learning solid enough game to consistently getting 8's while pursuing the above goals.

Post: #8

Developing a strong mind is much more important than any ‘methods’ and shortcuts to getting women. I never understood the PUA mentality even though I technically do the exact same thing they do.

You will be a much better lover if you come from an authentic place that you aren’t faking—with mental/emotional strength and high value comes a great seducer.

Post: #9

(07-16-2018 11:49 PM)BadKing Wrote:  Developing a strong mind is much more important than any ‘methods’ and shortcuts to getting women. I never understood the PUA mentality even though I technically do the exact same thing they do.

You will be a much better lover if you come from an authentic place that you aren’t faking—with mental strength and high value comes a great seducer.

What's your notch count?

Post: #10

It’s about double my age, mind you I’m pretty young.

Post: #11

(07-16-2018 11:54 PM)BadKing Wrote:  It’s about double my age, mind you I’m pretty young.

That's legit.

Post: #12

(07-16-2018 11:00 PM)Suits Wrote:  I'd rather be still banging cute 5's and 6's at 48, than banging 8's and 9's at 32, but having nothing to show for it (and limited access to pussy 15 years later.

I simply don't have the resources (time, money, energy) to put the time into learning solid enough game to consistently getting 8's while pursuing the above goals.

I really agree with what you are saying here. If we judge ourselves by the looks of the women we attract then in essence we are letting women determine our value. I think it's much more important how the women you are with treat you rather than measuring their subjective attractiveness.

I learned long ago that a 5 who fucks with enthusiasm is better than an 8 that plays dead. Unless of course you are a necrophiliac.

I just feel a man will be happier in the long run if his self esteem is tied to his own self improvement, not his success with women.

Post: #13

(07-17-2018 09:16 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

(07-16-2018 11:00 PM)Suits Wrote:  I'd rather be still banging cute 5's and 6's at 48, than banging 8's and 9's at 32, but having nothing to show for it (and limited access to pussy 15 years later.

I simply don't have the resources (time, money, energy) to put the time into learning solid enough game to consistently getting 8's while pursuing the above goals.

I really agree with what you are saying here. If we judge ourselves by the looks of the women we attract then in essence we are letting women determine our value. I think it's much more important how the women you are with treat you rather than measuring their subjective attractiveness.

I don't think it's wrong to use the women you can get as a metric, but pursuing hotter women just in an attempt to impress others is something that can be taken too far.

Personally, I've had women in my rotation that I preferred not to be seen in public, but that I kept around because they gave good head or something. I think that's normal, recognizing that being seen with a certain women will almost certainly lower your status in the eyes of others.

But pursuing the 8 or 9, because you are concerned that people will not be suitable impressed with the 7.5 on your arm is probably a matter of being too concern with the opinions of others.

(07-17-2018 09:16 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  I learned long ago that a 5 who fucks with enthusiasm is better than an 8 that plays dead. Unless of course you are a necrophiliac.

It's not just about 5's versus 8's. Anyone who has been in a healthy relationship knows that a good connection grown over time can at times improve the sex as you go along.

I'm not sure if I'd ever want to marry a girl who was already a 5 at age 23, but I'd choose the 6 over the 8 if the 6 and I got along famously and the 8 was just good company.

(07-17-2018 09:16 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  I just feel a man will be happier in the long run if his self esteem is tied to his own self improvement, not his success with women.

I think the best thing is to achieve a lifestyle that is satisfying, but allows for the enjoyment of continued achievements. Life gets pretty boring without new challenges overcome.

The ideal is being able to choose your challenges, not be persecuted by them.

Post: #14

Mind blown. Awesome post!

When I first started 8 years ago I had problems making small talk, poor style, needed to hit the gym, have better skin (in my case get a tan), lead a more active life, not being manipulated into doing things I don't want to do, have that one special *umphf* that helps my retention rate.

I now have all the above (umphf: I can cook above average). I'm still introverted so I rely more on common interest groups and gimmicks like drawing watercolor art. I also drive now so I can hit up the suburbs. At this point I just need to hit on more chicks and find a place to seal the deal. I haven't been following up on drawing as much but it's only a matter of time before I reach my dating goal (sex at least once a week). From there I'll progress into things like having a rotation and eventually settling down with a woman I'm not embarrassed to be seen with.

I agree, once you take care of your life up to a point you will get more pussy than you can handle. Based on real life feedback I can get quality it's just a matter of sealing the deal.

(07-14-2018 10:21 PM)Suits Wrote:  There's a cultural shift. Young people in their late teens and earlier twenties are less sexually active than in past generations, smart phone addiction means that both men and women are less interested in doing anything that takes effort and the non-autist, non-clueless men out there have realized that getting sex isn't a video game.

The Mystery era was fueled by a video-game style approach to getting laid and it worked, to a degree, but the trend has been away from that for good reason.

A lot of guys in the movement became aware that game isn't an end until itself and became more interested in general self-improvement and other life goals. There's been a realization in many that

(1) Banging girls that you don't actually like leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
(2) After you've racked up a certain number of bangs, quality is by far superior to quantity.
(3) General self-improvement provides more lasting satisfaction than one-off bangs, but it also leads to more bangs.

Myself as an example, benefitted enormously from the game wisdom developed and taught in the Mystery Era. Most of that wisdom still holds true and is valuable. Two years ago, I wrapped up 14 months living in a bachelor pad that although awesome, took far too much of my monthly income to pay for. It allowed me to host parties with up to 20 guests and had awesome logistics for dates and nightgame, but I wanted that experience without the stress of worrying about making rent each month.

So, in the last two years, my focus has been on building a business that will allow me to live somewhere desirable with enough cash to spare to save towards retirement, enjoy a solid bachelor pad and travel when I want to. I want to arrive at age 40 (in eight years) with a solid business that gives me work on my own terms, being in great physical shape, having a sustainable wardrobe and a lifestyle that attracts women naturally.

This requires a lot more that just what pickup style game offers.

Post: #15

Reddit has some subforums you can browse/post in.

Post: #16

(07-14-2018 10:00 PM)MathGuy Wrote:  This forum and nextASF are the only decent ones with the traditional bulletin board layout.

RSDNation is a nuclear wasteland now filled with sluthate/lookism/blackpill trolls, Simple Pickup Forums were always dominated by high schoolers, Reddit is...well, Reddit.

Otherwise, make a Facebook account (a fake one if you want) then go join Todd V Insiders and this other group which is managed by Mystery (3 Second Rule, I think?). I know Todd V Insiders is ran by intelligent, skilled, and experienced people.

However, most PUA activity these days is confined to private Telegram and Discord groups. I pretty much stopped posting in any forum or Facebook group because I get much faster feedback from Telegram and Discord. Go look up the Discord for 'The Red Pill' in particular.

Can you recommended me some Telegram or Discord chat and some good live forum about Game?

Post: #17

I can recommend that you stay off of discord all together. It’s a video game themed app. If you are stuck in a game like red dead or whatever and want a response right away, join the discord for red dead and ask away. But you want to ask those same guys for game advice about dating??!

Post: #18

Sosuave.net was where I started. It's still around as far as I can tell.

Shame forums like this are dying. Everything is getting sent to Reddit or discord. I hate both, I don't want to talk to people lrndealvwith upvotes.

Post: #19

(02-16-2019 04:10 AM)eradicator Wrote:  I can recommend that you stay off of discord all together. It’s a video game themed app. If you are stuck in a game like red dead or whatever and want a response right away, join the discord for red dead and ask away. But you want to ask those same guys for game advice about dating??!

Of course about dating and if be totally understanding about seduction. I heard about group on FB like 3SR(Mystery) and Todd V Insiders and Ultimate Man Project. Guys in groups talk about daygame and nightgame a lot.

In Russia we have good Telegram chat created by powerful seducer. Such a good gamer. Guys change experience and talked about outher game. Just want to known about same in English.

(02-17-2019 12:47 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  Sosuave.net was where I started. It's still around as far as I can tell.

Shame forums like this are dying. Everything is getting sent to Reddit or discord. I hate both, I don't want to talk to people lrndealvwith upvotes.

Thanks a lot. Ill check this forum. In first look this forum had some activites but not a lot right now.

Post: #20

(02-17-2019 12:47 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  Sosuave.net was where I started. It's still around as far as I can tell.

Shame forums like this are dying. Everything is getting sent to Reddit or discord. I hate both, I don't want to talk to people lrndealvwith upvotes.

Yea. It's a shame. I noticed that the RSD forum is down. Forums are dying for some reason.