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JF Gariepy has interviewed two porn stars on his livestream in the past week. Interestingly these two women seem to be on opposite sides of the porn star spectrum (let's say, the fawn and the shark). Let's compare and contrast the two young women's personality types, backstories and future plans.












The first, Hannah Hays, is the stereotypical porn girl: learning disabled, fatherless, naive/confused teenager who suffers from PTSD. She's 19, almost 20, and has been making porn for close to a year. When you listen to her speak, she sounds mentally challenged. Part of it is her Southern drawl, but she's clearly slow. Despite her learning disability, she says she's highly functional, graduated high school with a 4.0 GPA and graduated colleged (though I'm not sure what kind of college you can graduate from at 19? Community college?). She wants to open an interior design (?) business someday.

She talks a lot about staying positive and avoiding negativity, "otherwise you'll wind up sad and lonely". This really resonated with me, and I think accounts for a lot of her life choices: grew up without a dad, has a stepdad who's in a dysfunctional relationship with her mom, she's clearly terrified of winding up alone and abandoned, or stuck in a bad relationship with a man she can't leave, or stuck with said man's kids. "Staying positive" is a term that bothers me to no end, since it doesn't actually mean anything other than going with the flow/following the crowd; in this case it means keeping her male handlers and fans satisfied without giving any one man complete power over her like through marriage/family.

She says her PTSD is from a car accident (but no brain trauma?) and that she has an emotional support animal, a lizard, that makes her feel better. She says the lizard is trained? I didn't realize they could be trained in that capacity, or any capacity really. The fact that she has imagined an emotional bond with an animal incapable of doing so really says a lot about the world she inhabits.

When JF asks about her father, she breaks down crying. He was only in her life for a couple of years, but she insists her mother did everything for her "young'uns". In her mind, Mom = heroic, self-sacrificing victim, in spite repeatedly making choices to the detriment of her kids. Hannah has grown up unable to ascribe any accountability to women, which of course means that deep down she's not accountable for her own choices.

JF goes pretty easy on her, explaining a lot of viewers are worried about her mental health and fear she might be exploited. She insists she knows what impact this choice will have on her future, but her words sound hollow, like she's been brainwashed. She says she enjoys her job and enjoys the sex.

After their chat JF points out she seems to lack a sense of long term consequences, not just because of her career choice (trauma from abandonment, etc.?). He seems to feel for her, but apparently he has a thing for banging retards, so...


The second woman, Paige Jennings (aka Veronica Vain), is the "smart" porn star, now retired from performing at age 27. Pre-porn she worked at a "top tier investment bank on Wall Street". @ 1:00:00, she says using her brain and building a cool company is "all she ever wanted to do". Her long term plan is to be a venture capitalist and start "world-saving initiatives" involving environmentalism.

She is starting a company she claims will be "the Amazon Prime" of the porn industry, with a la carte offerings that streamline user preferences. @ 36:00 she explains the aim of her company will be to replace the current model of the porn industry, which is based on the constant turning over (and turning out) of fresh 18 year olds, and return the classic porn star (I guess Jenna Jameson, et al) as the foundation of the industry. This is when I realized her idea will definitely fail.

Her business model doesn't seem to be based on an honest appraisal of what the consumer wants, and in fact actively denies current commodity prices (i.e. the plentiful and thus cheap supply of fresh young talent). Rather it is based on her own projection of what the consumer (i.e. men) will want. Umm yeah, who wants to watch a beautiful and confused teenager get fucked when they can watch an "experienced" veteran who needs 18 layers of makeup to hide her wear and tear? Let's hire "superstar" porn performers who want six-figure contracts and invest tons of money in expensive productions, instead of hiring girls off Craigslist for two grand plus airfare.Her idea sounds so much more profitable than the current model

Toward the end of the interview she says she's not a direct competitor to very many porn sites (she insists she's not a competitor for Pornhub), but it's not clear what she means by this. So basically, she's trying to create a niche there is no evidence there is any room for. But she thinks she knows business because some idiot investors pooled $200K for her idea, and because of her investment banking background (I'm guessing someone hired her at 22 and paid her $70K a year to fetch coffees and suck dick).

She has a kind of smug, "I know the layers of the game" vibe to her (someone in the stream pointed it out), I'm guessing because no one has ever told her when she's being stupid or her ideas are unfeasible. Case in point: she's now engaged to a guy she's known for 11 years, a "conservative Christian from Texas", meaning since she was 16 and I'm sure smoking hot. So this beta orbiter stood on the sidelines while she was getting fucked in college, then investment banking, then porn, and now he finally gets to wife her up. But she swears he's not a cuck

She has the world at her feet and doesn't realize that all of her life momentum is thanks to her attractiveness/sexuality. And of course she will never learn this. When her stupid business idea fizzles out her cuck husband will pick up the pieces, and if she decides to divorce him, she will still be taken care of.

Closing thoughts:

I'm not sure if JF chose these two in order to contrast them, but holy hell do they represent two opposite ends of the spectrum of stereotypical, damaged women. I think the key to preventing future girls from winding up like Hannah is to have intact families for working class whites (easier said than done, but still I think easier than getting upper-middle class white westerners to stay together). Simple girls like her just need a loving, femine mom and a loving, masculine dad plus a community to belong to. It doesn't take much to keep them from going off the rails.

Women like Paige are a far greater threat to civilization. Pure cultural poison, although she did argue that the minimum age for porn should be raised to 21, so fewer girls will get into it out of sheer immaturity and confusion. Still, in the grand scheme of things, what does it matter if a girl ruins her life at 21 as opposed to 18.

It's kind of ironic how Paige, by far the more intelligent of the two, seems to have less self-awareness when it comes to understanding why she does what she does ("rah-rah girl power, aww poor weak men can't handle a strong woman, blah blah"). I think that Hannah, despite her naivity, understands on some level what she is, and this creates emotional and psychic pain. Paige has no such feelings. I guess having the better intellect means she can perform more elaborate mental gymnastics to rationalize her decisions.

Post: #2

Great breakdown
You are a true Leader of Thots

Post: #3

This is absolutely hilarious when you consider that the whole reason JF left the Warski stream was to escape the "low I.Q. interventions" of his cohost.

Post: #4

Nice take, but I doubt that both girls are representative of the averages.

The main thing that many girls have in common is an above average sex drive.

The overwhelming 95%+ of girls are one-and-dones or at best 1-3 months in business before they realize that they don't make that much money compared to the negative repercussions it can have on their lives. Strippers and escorts can make much more while being all private.

There are legions of girls doing one shoot now sort of as a bucket list thing to do.

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That said - the first girl is of course one that is way below IQ. Most girls are at least average. She is close to being retarded, but likely her brain is just damaged - less from PTSD, but more from some drugs/alcohol during pregnancy, lack of nutrients during pregnancy and some vaccinations on top of that (even if you believe in them - babies with neurological damage should not have them before age 1 at least). Add to it that in some regions you have more water fluoridation - or poverty forced them to drink tap-water and you can deduct another 3-5 IQ points (tested in China and reported by Harvard studies).

But I think that her raw genetics are at least average and she would have normal healthy babies if she found a bloke who would overlook her past. Plans of becoming an interior designer are of course insane. Her agent does take advantage of her, but I guess most of them do.

The other one is also not common, because she is above average in smarts. Whether her business pans out is irrelevant so long as she does not sink much money into it. She is branching out as a Gaming thot and that is of course always a good way to go - those girls make 10-20.000$ for pretending to enjoy some Games, then get extra for private calls etc. She can make 200k/year just on rinsing. She is attractive enough for that and has some porn cred which can be helpful in that regard.

She is the polar opposite of the first one. Currently you find quite a few girls who come from elite universities, even Yale or Harvard, daughters to Goldman Sachs bankers - it's a kick for them. The ones who stay are usually from quite poor environments and the LA/ Miami world is like a dream to them.

Though one thing is what most have in common - high high libido. If they don't then they don't like doing that and it shows, then it peters out fast even if they are very attractive.

VR porn will open up way more opportunities - wait when the broadbands have sufficiently improved for the thots to be able to stream a VR porn and simulate live sex. Then their paychecks will increase again, though it's possible that when too many girls do it around the world, that it goes down again.

I feel sympathy for the first girl - in a different world she would be a happy wife. The other one would be a courtesan in that world, but who knows....

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(08-26-2018 02:06 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  This is absolutely hilarious when you consider that the whole reason JF left the Warski stream was to escape the "low I.Q. interventions" of his cohost.

Clickbait fills the rafters, but his series with Frame Game are amazing. In those interactions JFG sounds like the low-IQ one compared to Frame Game. But I guess it's always better to surround yourself with betters.

Warski went off the deep end for a while and took a break of a few weeks:




And the controversy around Kraut and Tea and the anti-IQ-results debate also cost him some.

Though I will say this - he took it like a man, after the break said that he went off the deep end, apologized, also learned and threw away the "skeptics". So the guy is learning even if jumpy. I listened to a stream he went on and everyone was laughing at him. But he was laughing too and saying that he went crazy (likely drugs, but of course you cannot mention that live). Sounded much more sane.

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(08-26-2018 02:37 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Nice take, but I doubt that both girls are representative of the averages.

I'd say both girls are pretty common American porn actress archetypes from what I've seen. First is a low IQ girl manipulated by a (((producer))) into moving to LA and does a hundred shoots until she finally goes crazy and ODs or commits suicide. Second is a high-T hyena clitted woman that needs a socially acceptable (by today's standards) outlet for her sex drive.

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< Hm - the overwhelming majority are one-and-dones and they find themselves in the middle. The ones that stay fit a bit the bill a bit, though the first girl is retarded even by porn standards.

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(08-26-2018 04:47 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  < Hm - the overwhelming majority are one-and-dones and they find themselves in the middle. The ones that stay fit a bit the bill a bit, though the first girl is retarded even by porn standards.

Yeah I mean you can still jerk off to a dumb girl, but this girl seemed like a ten year old. I just felt bad for her.

Post: #9

SS and BP have both pointed out that these women have (or claim to have) high sex drives. I think Paige definitely does (high-T features and demeanor), but I've known plenty of women who look and talk the same way and haven't done porn. There are plenty of other ways for a woman to get dick. As for Hannah, I don't buy her "I'm just a very sexual person" claim. EVERY porn star makes this claim while at the height of her fame in order to rationalize her choices, i.e. "I was just born this way, so porn is a natural choice". Hannah says she never looked at porn prior to getting into the business. If this is true, wouldn't it suggest she's NOT a very sexual person? I'm sure she's been coached.

I also wanted to elaborate on why I question the validity of Paige's business model. As it stands, the internet porn business has essentially three tiers:

1) Pornhub/similar. Lots of free content, gets the job done for the majority of consumers.
2) Paid sites. Subscription model, uses Pornhub to essentially advertise the higher quality content that can be accessed at around $30 a month for unlimited viewing (usually comes as a bundle w/ access to four or five different sites, so a fair bit of variety).
3) Cam whores. Expensive private viewings catered to the individual consumer's exact preferences. Can cost hundreds per session.

(We could arguably say there's a fourth tier in the form of prostitutes using porn sites/social media to connect with customers, but that crosses the line where it's no longer simply porn.)

This model seems to be working just fine for both the consumer (the viewer) and the vendor (the porn production companies or cam viewing sites). As far as the girls who are being exploited, every single one of them has the option of performing via webcam shows only (less exposure, less money but also less risk). I just don't see the space or demand in the market for a radically different platform. But don't try and explain that to a woman who's gotten away with the kind of shit Paige has.

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I never understood how the subscription model managed to work when it's trivially easy to pirate the content. And it's not like movies or music where if you got crazy with it your ISP would send you a threatening letter.

The camwhore model seems the most sustainable and least exploitative, since the camwhores themselves are getting directly paid minus the site's cut, and the beta cucks that drop the huge tips are rewarded by the model giving them a big phony cutesy thank you and putting them on their profile's "special boyfriend" list with the other beta cucks surrounded by little hearts. (I shouldn't make fun of these guys, they are paying for my fap material after all...)

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< There was recently a good documentary made on the porn business. They make the claim that most of the supposed money is generated by large money-laundering corporations who use the business to clean billions of various income - meanwhile the pure porn business is hardly generating that much cash. The biggest biz-cash cows are subscription sites and they are quite limited.

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I see that you are from Canada so you might speak french if you do Manuel Ferrara a famous french porn actor interviewed over a 100 pornstars check his channel

Post: #13

I don't generally do "Alex Jones" conspiracy theories. But, I will drop two pieces of information that don't sit well with me.

1. As to Simeon's point on money laundering and the funding of porn production. I spent some time in the San Fernando Valley researching (primarily porn performers). My research partner and I had a lot of time to speak to crew and production people. We had a lot of time to see "how the sausage was made". We both come from mathematical backgrounds, and we could not figure out how the productions we were observing were profitable. I'm talking about a shoot that the producer tells us will net $ 13,000 in the first year, and then drop off after that. Then, we crunch the numbers on production and it's $ 20,000+. We joked about it for years afterwards. It was the sketchiest arrangement ever.

2. I've retired from the academy, but the guy I ran that study with is still an active researcher. He was recently subcontracted by a private think tank (think RAND) to draft a report on the technical feasibility of disincentivizing use of or preventing access to hardcore pornography for the adolescent male. So... good luck with that. But, the interesting part of the story is that the method and amount of funding lead him to believe that the source is US government. I thought that was interesting.

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Back to the subject of porn "star"lets. These girls are all over the place. But, in my experience, the one common theme with them is that something seemed "off" about them. I mean that their psychological situation was not robust. They were/are damaged goods. As to the hyper-sexuality, I had several girls tell me that they didn't have sex off camera. That is not a good indication of hyper-sexuality. Then, there are the girls who engage with antero-sex partners, while maintaining a primary relationship with the sex they are actually attracted to - so straight women who only do lesbian porn and lesbian women who only shoot straight porn. Again, not an indication (necessarily) of hyper-sexuality.

At this point, I am contented to say I will dispense with any "higher observations" of why porn girls do porn, and I will simply state that they do it because they can. Honestly, what is stopping them? Many, if not most, of the girls who make it out alive can find a "normal" guy who will wife them up and give them kids. There are several examples of ex-pornstars who have married pastors and become cornerstones of their "churches". If there is no percieved stigma, again, what is stopping them? They live in a self-reinforcing bubble of nonsense. The only downside is the mind/emotion/soul destroying aspect of the work. But to think the girls will observe that and walk away is assuming a level of insight that they simply lack.

With all that said, it is important to put this in to perspective. At any given time there is something like 1,500 women who are AIM medically certified to shoot porn. That is in the entire United States. That number is a rounding error compared to the number of generally sexually available women in the country.

Post: #14

Forney also did a livestream about Hannah a few days before JF put his stream out:

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I finished watching the Veronica Vain stream and ironically I think she's the one likely to have the most negative life outcome from shooting porn, even though Hannah Hays elicits more sympathy just by virtue of being pathetic. In the case of Hannah Hays, given her fucked up backstory, her life was going to be a disaster no matter what. If she hadn't been lured to LA by a covetous agent, she probably would have just replicated her mother's abusive relationship with another local yokel.

In the case of Veronica Vain she's clearly intelligent: she counters the negging she gets from JF and the other guy he brought on with her own negs instead of just getting pissy or crying. But she's also clearly a victim of the larger influence of a feminized society that's supported every hare-brained thing that came out of her mouth. So far she has had zero consequences to her actions. Two minutes of searching and you can find video of her squirting on another woman's face, yet she has a "conservative christian" beta male orbiter that knew her in high school and is willing to wife her up. Her business plan to make a porn service that people will actually pay for doesn't sound like she ever actually asked a man how he searches for porn, and on top of that she thinks she can be successful in this regard without allowing any content that she considers icky like poo or dressing up like a little girl. It's the classic case of someone starting a business without having thought it through very well, yet once again men are willing to throw wads of seed capital (bit of a Freudian slip there) at her because she's pretty.

All of this will finally bite her in the ass when she's nearing 40 and past the wall, that business never took off, and she's just dumped her cuck husband because he failed a shit test for the 100th time. And what will we see then, in 2028? Her comeback to making sad milf porn, except her fake tits don't sit right on her chest ever since she had kids, her pussy lips are withered, and that clit has grown from just big to weird big. So she's not making nearly as much money as she expected, and the beta cucks still willing to wife her up now are just overweight insurance adjusters in their 50s with irritable bowel syndrome and hobbies like collecting commemorative spoons.

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(08-26-2018 01:18 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  The second woman, Paige Jennings (aka Veronica Vain), is the "smart" porn star, now retired from performing at age 27...
She is starting a company she claims will be "the Amazon Prime" of the porn industry, with a la carte offerings that streamline user preferences. @ 36:00 she explains the aim of her company will be to replace the current model of the porn industry, which is based on the constant turning over (and turning out) of fresh 18 year olds, and return the classic porn star (I guess Jenna Jameson, et al) as the foundation of the industry. This is when I realized her idea will definitely fail.

Her business model doesn't seem to be based on an honest appraisal of what the consumer wants, and in fact actively denies current commodity prices (i.e. the plentiful and thus cheap supply of fresh young talent). Rather it is based on her own projection of what the consumer (i.e. men) will want.

I'll play devils advocate for Paige here and congratulate her on being smart enough to realize that her porn career is coming to a close, and that the real money is behind the camera and not in front of it.

The big issue is that her company is still an "idea" and doesn't sound ready for market.

But I think she does have a point on a business with porn stars as the foundation. But the money wouldn't be in producing 30 minute porn clips, but in the IP ownership of the porn star. Basically owning the rights to the name and then licensing the name and image for a whole host of stupid shit, like "Veronica Vain's Fleshlight" or "Veronica Vain's Anal Lube," and perhaps getting a percentage of the porn star's fee for performing at strip clubs. It could also be like the old Hollywood studio model, where the studios basically owned the actors and actresses and their names and likeness and pimped them for a fee.

I think it could work if you could find charismatic girls like Jenna Jameson, Jesse Jane, Madison Ivy or Asa Akira. But if you're trying to market Hannah Hays or someone like her, then no it wouldn't work as well.

But she should run with the Amazon Prime of porn idea though and make money off monthly auto-pay subscriptions. That's more of the moneymaker and I would definitely give her my seed capital on her tits for that.

I had a similar idea when I first installed Kodi on my Firestick and got a little curious and downloaded all the porn apps for Kodi. And holy shit. There was so much porn. I had access to tens of thousands of clips from every site, every production company. It honestly was too much. I later got rid of it because I was spending hours watching porn clips.

The problem was though, the menu for watching clips was terrible. I couldn't preview the clips before streaming them, the descriptions of the clip were generic and pointless and the search functions were terrible. Basically I spent hours clicking on one stream only to find the girls not as hot as I wanted, exit the stream, click on another one, find the girls hot, but wanted to check out another stream to make sure that the girls in that one weren't hotter. This took awhile but could have been easier if I had a "queue" function like Prime or Netflix where I could queue the clips that I liked for later viewing.

So a service that takes thousands of clips and packages them in a Prime or Netflix interface complete with a preview, queue and search function, could be a moneymaker as a subscription based service. Auto-pay it and you could making money off guys signing up for one wank, feeling ashamed afterwards but forgetting to cancel their subscription and just take monthly payments.

And if you marketed internationally to the Middle East and to India imagine all the thirsty guys you could get to sign up. Have a "bobs" and then "vegena" section for the Indian fellas and rake in the rupees.

And thinking about it further, you could hook millions of Indian guys with exclusive interracial content featuring Indian guys having sex with white girls. It would be like "Blacked" but with Indians so it would be "Curried." All you need is 1% of Indian men to sign up for $4.99 USD a month and you're a millionaire.

Post: #17

Why is anyone interested in interviews with hookers?

If these were men that were being interviewed, talking about why they give blow jobs for money, would you guys also be interested in the content and talk about how smart those men were and what business opportunities they could avail themselves of?

Would you guys talk about how much money John or David could make marketing "John's Anal Lube" or "David's Throat & Ass Numbing Cream?"

A lot of thirst in this thread.

Post: #18

(08-27-2018 12:38 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  Why is anyone interested in interviews with hookers?

If these were men that were being interviewed, talking about why they give blow jobs for money, would you guys also be interested in the content and talk about how smart those men were and what business opportunities they could avail themselves of?

Would you guys talk about how much money John or David could make marketing "John's Anal Lube" or "David's Throat & Ass Numbing Cream?"

A lot of thirst in this thread.

I'd be interested in that Ass Numbing Cream for when I put too much salsa on my food at the local taqueria. Is that beta?

Post: #19

Porn chicks are dumb whores. They all think they're making money and all the simps jerking off to them are the real idiots - suitcase pimps tell them any lie necessary to keep the cash flowing.

Check out this goofball. Little Lupe.

Post: #20

(08-27-2018 12:51 AM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 12:38 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  Why is anyone interested in interviews with hookers?

If these were men that were being interviewed, talking about why they give blow jobs for money, would you guys also be interested in the content and talk about how smart those men were and what business opportunities they could avail themselves of?

Would you guys talk about how much money John or David could make marketing "John's Anal Lube" or "David's Throat & Ass Numbing Cream?"

A lot of thirst in this thread.

I'd be interested in that Ass Numbing Cream for when I put too much salsa on my food at the local taqueria. Is that beta?

When that happens, we say it charges taxes on the back end.

Post: #21

(08-27-2018 12:38 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  Why is anyone interested in interviews with hookers?

If these were men that were being interviewed, talking about why they give blow jobs for money, would you guys also be interested in the content and talk about how smart those men were and what business opportunities they could avail themselves of?

Would you guys talk about how much money John or David could make marketing "John's Anal Lube" or "David's Throat & Ass Numbing Cream?"

A lot of thirst in this thread.

I wanted to express the same opinion as you, but decided that since it's a whore thread then even that is not worth to bother.

Kinda sad to see high IQ red pill guys devote their time to analyzing in multiple paragraphs something two whores said.

Post: #22

(08-27-2018 01:38 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 12:38 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  Why is anyone interested in interviews with hookers?

If these were men that were being interviewed, talking about why they give blow jobs for money, would you guys also be interested in the content and talk about how smart those men were and what business opportunities they could avail themselves of?

Would you guys talk about how much money John or David could make marketing "John's Anal Lube" or "David's Throat & Ass Numbing Cream?"

A lot of thirst in this thread.

I wanted to express the same opinion as you, but decided that since it's a whore thread then even that is not worth to bother.

Kinda sad to see high IQ red pill guys devote their time to analyzing in multiple paragraphs something two whores said.

I watched 1 minute each of those ladies - that was all I needed to find out about them. Then I devoted another 10 minutes observing their life's work.

WB both of them. Won't listen to them talk for 40 minutes.

Post: #23

That's a big write-up for a couple of porn performers, or as I like to call them, prostitutes...

Post: #24

Who here didnt go straight to pornhub after reading this?

Post: #25

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I laughed so hard at this super chat from the Nick Fuentes stream: