Post: #1

Sorry for the long post.
Hello everybody, I am new here, I started day game approaching a couple of months ago, so far I have done about 45 approaches. The 40th approach landed me a date with a chick on Saturday at 6:20 my first ever date since 2015, we met at coffee shop we talked, i was touchy a little bit but not too much. At around 7:20 I asked if she wanted to come to my place for some wine since i live a few blocks from the coffee shop. She agreed but said she is meeting her female friend at 8. This was win to me because it was the first time a girl i met through daygame has ever agreed to come to my place.

At my place i set up the music and asked what kind of music she would like to listen to (which I shouldn't have). I told her to take off her shoes which she did, i asked her what is unique about herself besides looks. She opened up and asked me the same question but i didn't answer her and told her i like to be mysterious.

I was trying to ask her what turns her on but was beating around the bush with the question to which she said "You mean what turns me on?" I said,"yes what turns you on?" she said kissing her neck and breathing on her neck to ear area. I hesitated because I felt she was not giving strong eye contact. Then we chatted some more played couple of games and she said she's gonna leave after finishing her glass of wine.

When it was time to leave i escorted her to the door gave her a hug to which she did tightly with her breasts pressing on my chest. I offered my cheeks for her to kiss to which she said "oh my god" as if she was expecting me to kiss her on the lip. I then gave a a peck on the lips and she left. The next day i text her for second date to which she replies by saying, "thanks for the offer but we didn't click last night" I reply, "that's cool good luck to you."

This chick was had to read, she was agreeable and responded quickly to my texts but she could not hold strong eye contact with me. Any advice that anybody can give to where i can improve next time, or links if this kind of advice has been given already, would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Post: #2

Come on "Sex Machine!"

Post: #3

Hey, man.

First of all, congratulations for doing 45 approaches and for coming to the Forum!

Alright, now for the analysis.
First things first, as Roosh said in a thread I saw recently, modern generations are increasingly autistic. That is to say, sometimes even guys won't hold eye contact. It's probably due to digitalization and dehumanization. So, a girl might like you, but not give you eye contact because she isn't socially adept enough.

The fact that she agreed to come to your place should have been enough of a sign to you, though.

She responded quickly to your texts - again, another proof.

Maybe she's shy, maybe she's inexperienced, doesn't matter - if she gives you at least one solid sign, that's it.

The moment she told you what turns her on, you should have said "you mean like this?", leant in and started kissing her neck. Probably would have gotten a bang.

You will learn to maximise your prospects on the first date, because girls are fickle creatures.

Played a couple of games? Care to elaborate?

You had the last opportunity at the door - should have said fuck it and went for a heavy makeout session. Might have still gotten a bang. Life seldom gives you second chances, be sure to use them!

Furthermore, one thing I learned the hard way. If you're in a similar situation again and you manage to kiss her, say you're starting to get undressed, about to have sex, and then her friend calls her because they need to meet up in half an hour...
What do you do?

You take her fucking phone away before she even answers it, turn it off and escalate even more. Under no circumstances do you let her to pick up the phone and allow her friend to hype the night out, ask what she will wear, is she on the way, will they go directly to the club, and seven thousand similar questions. She'll get dressed up and leave.
Instead, prevent it. Girls love to live in the moment. Nothing is more important than you two and the sex you're about to have.

She WILL fuck you if you just dominate and don't allow her to contact her friends, ignore, move on and escalate.
Being late half an hour to her girls' night out isn't such a big deal.

Post: #4

(08-27-2018 10:46 AM)BlackHussar Wrote:  Hey, man.

First of all, congratulations for doing 45 approaches and for coming to the Forum!

Alright, now for the analysis.
First things first, as Roosh said in a thread I saw recently, modern generations are increasingly autistic. That is to say, sometimes even guys won't hold eye contact. It's probably due to digitalization and dehumanization. So, a girl might like you, but not give you eye contact because she isn't socially adept enough.

The fact that she agreed to come to your place should have been enough of a sign to you, though.

She responded quickly to your texts - again, another proof.

Maybe she's shy, maybe she's inexperienced, doesn't matter - if she gives you at least one solid sign, that's it.

The moment she told you what turns her on, you should have said "you mean like this?", leant in and started kissing her neck. Probably would have gotten a bang.

You will learn to maximise your prospects on the first date, because girls are fickle creatures.

Played a couple of games? Care to elaborate?

You had the last opportunity at the door - should have said fuck it and went for a heavy makeout session. Might have still gotten a bang. Life seldom gives you second chances, be sure to use them!

Furthermore, one thing I learned the hard way. If you're in a similar situation again and you manage to kiss her, say you're starting to get undressed, about to have sex, and then her friend calls her because they need to meet up in half an hour...
What do you do?

You take her fucking phone away before she even answers it, turn it off and escalate even more. Under no circumstances do you let her to pick up the phone and allow her friend to hype the night out, ask what she will wear, is she on the way, will they go directly to the club, and seven thousand similar questions. She'll get dressed up and leave.
Instead, prevent it. Girls love to live in the moment. Nothing is more important than you two and the sex you're about to have.

She WILL fuck you if you just dominate and don't allow her to contact her friends, ignore, move on and escalate.
Being late half an hour to her girls' night out isn't such a big deal.

We just played thumb wrestling and staring contest. Another thing that made me less aggressive was that the chick was white and I am from a different ethnicity. I didn't want to scare her away by being to aggressive.

Post: #5

Games like that are a great way to kiss a girl. She really gave you a lot of opportunities.

What the hell, dude? Don't be auto-racist. Your ethnicity doesn't matter. The girl liked you enough to come over to your place - she wanted to kiss you at the least, and I would bet 5:1 that she wanted something more.

Sure, you don't wanna go Neanderthal on her, but you need to take initiative, you're the man. Regardless of race. Be a man, be dominant, be "aggressive", but not aggressive in caveman style.

I wouldn't know, I live in Europe in a white country, but I would imagine that race doesn't matter, if she's going to fuck you, she's going to fuck you, don't sabotage yourself because you're afraid how she'll perceive you. She wanted you. I can't even comprehend how can you limit yourself in this way.

Post: #6

(08-27-2018 11:17 AM)BlackHussar Wrote:  Games like that are a great way to kiss a girl. She really gave you a lot of opportunities.

What the hell, dude? Don't be auto-racist. Your ethnicity doesn't matter. The girl liked you enough to come over to your place - she wanted to kiss you at the least, and I would bet 5:1 that she wanted something more.

Sure, you don't wanna go Neanderthal on her, but you need to take initiative, you're the man. Regardless of race. Be a man, be dominant, be "aggressive", but not aggressive in caveman style.

I wouldn't know, I live in Europe in a white country, but I would imagine that race doesn't matter, if she's going to fuck you, she's going to fuck you, don't sabotage yourself because you're afraid how she'll perceive you. She wanted you. I can't even comprehend how can you limit yourself in this way.

Thanks for the advice Hussar, I need to stop focusing on race too much. I think another reason is that i fapped five days before after a long streak, which may have fucked up my drive and ability to notice the signs of dtf. I will use this as a learning experience and get the bang next time.

Post: #7

Like Hussar said, girls want a man to be dominant and aggressive. Its a major turn on to them and flicks a switch in their brain.

Post: #8

(08-27-2018 10:18 AM)Sex Machine Wrote:  When it was time to leave i escorted her to the door gave her a hug to which she did tightly with her breasts pressing on my chest. I offered my cheeks for her to kiss to which she said "oh my god"

(08-27-2018 11:02 AM)Sex Machine Wrote:  We just played thumb wrestling and staring contest.

If you're the type of guy who invites a woman over to his apartment to thumb wrestle and play granny kisses, you probably need to work on yourself before you try to figure out game.

Have you ever done anything in your life that you considered was the defining moment from when you ceased being a kid and started being a man?

If not, you're going to need cross that path first before you start being the "sex machine." Women are attracted to confident and masculine men, not men who want to thumb wrestle and play duck duck goose.

Post: #9

A good read to help with escalation is 60 Years of Challenge. Covers the topic of mental mastubation, ie thinking instead of acting.

Keep up the good work.

Post: #10

(08-27-2018 01:28 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:18 AM)Sex Machine Wrote:  When it was time to leave i escorted her to the door gave her a hug to which she did tightly with her breasts pressing on my chest. I offered my cheeks for her to kiss to which she said "oh my god"

(08-27-2018 11:02 AM)Sex Machine Wrote:  We just played thumb wrestling and staring contest.

If you're the type of guy who invites a woman over to his apartment to thumb wrestle and play granny kisses, you probably need to work on yourself before you try to figure out game.

Have you ever done anything in your life that you considered was the defining moment from when you ceased being a kid and started being a man?

If not, you're going to need cross that path first before you start being the "sex machine." Women are attracted to confident and masculine men, not men who want to thumb wrestle and play duck duck goose.

Yes i have, like moving out on my own to NYC for grad school being homeless there and finally finding a gig and a place. Having to look after my mentally ill relatives and supporting them, just to name a few.

I have worked on my self for most of my 20s concentrating mostly on my career and i am still working on myself. Now i am 26 turning 27 soon, and have never had a girlfriend the only time i came close to having sex was in 2013 in a frat house bathroom, i was hammered and she was a 4(got cockblocked by people waiting to go to the bathroom)

I feel like this is the best time for me to learn game because i have my shit together with a pad and a good paying job. I am just new to daygaming and it was first time having a chick over to my place ever. I see this as a learning experience to becoming the "sex machine."
Thanks for your input.

Post: #11

Are you in NYC currently or another major city?

Post: #12

(08-27-2018 01:44 PM)Ben Wrote:  A good read to help with escalation is 60 Years of Challenge. Covers the topic of mental mastubation, ie thinking instead of acting.

Keep up the good work.

Thank you Ben, will check it out.

Post: #13

(08-27-2018 02:35 PM)LINUX Wrote:  Are you in NYC currently or another major city?

I am in Albany NY like 2 hr 50 minutes from NYC. Its a small city with about 90k to 100k people, a bunch of colleges in the area too. I moved out of NYC after i finished grad school. I occasionally go there on the weekends.

Post: #14

https://www.timeout.com/newyork/sex-dati...gers-clubs

Next time you're in NYC, go to one of these swinger clubs.

Wear you a t shirt that says "I'm a virgin."

I guarantee you, one of these women will drag you to the play area and fuck your brains out just for the story of it. Swingers are always looking to do crazy stuff and they are always looking for fresh meat, especially virgins.

Better than paying a prostitute and a funnier story to remember as you age. Being surrounded by swingers can also teach you direct game, to some extent.

Don't take life to seriously.

Goodluck

Post: #15

(08-27-2018 03:07 PM)LINUX Wrote:  https://www.timeout.com/newyork/sex-dati...gers-clubs

Next time you're in NYC, go to one of these swinger clubs.

Wear you a t shirt that says "I'm a virgin."

I guarantee you, one of these women will drag you to the play area and fuck your brains out just for the story of it. Swingers are always looking to do crazy stuff and they are always looking for fresh meat, especially virgins.

Better than paying a prostitute and a funnier story to remember as you age. Being surrounded by swingers can also teach you direct game, to some extent.

Don't take life to seriously.

Goodluck

Thank you Linux, i will try that.

Post: #16

It's like you purposefully took all the gayest and cheesiest lines and routines from Neil Strauss's metrosexual style of game and then tried to use them yourself.

"What is unique about yourself besides looks?"

"What turns you on?"

Offering your cheek to kiss at the end of the date.

Thumb-wrestling.

Staring contest.

Did you try the cube too? Did you use any 'opinion-openers'? "Hey guys, it's my sister's birthday do you think she would like.. " What about peacocking?

Post: #17

(08-28-2018 02:05 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  It's like you purposefully took all the gayest and cheesiest lines and routines from Neil Strauss's metrosexual style of game and then tried to use them yourself.

"What is unique about yourself besides looks?"

"What turns you on?"

Offering your cheek to kiss at the end of the date.

Thumb-wrestling.

Staring contest.

Did you try the cube too? Did you use any 'opinion-openers'? "Hey guys, it's my sister's birthday do you think she would like.. " What about peacocking?

Do you think Strauss method shouldn't be used?
I think it has some advantages too
if not what do you suggest to read beside the great book 'bang'?

And for sex machine,I think you should try approaching more and more,you will learn by doing it too many times