Post: #1

Hi guys, so I work in a female dominated workplace and I feel it is a significant impediment towards achieving a high degree of well-being. I remember one guy on a roosh call-in said he switched from a white collar, female dominated job to a blue-collar male job and felt significantly happier, more free to express himself, and unburdened by the bs that comes with women being in a workplace. I have a degree in accounting but there is a huge percentage of women who are in the field. I am considering learning how to code and becomming a programmer, but I feel it's a matter of time before women enter into this field as well. I also feel I can't compete with the autists who dominate this field.

Should I learn to weld or become a mechanic or something? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Post: #2

(08-29-2018 11:16 AM)momentomori Wrote:  Hi guys, so I work in a female dominated workplace and I feel it is a significant impediment towards achieving a high degree of well-being. I remember one guy on a roosh call-in said he switched from a white collar, female dominated job to a blue-collar male job and felt significantly happier, more free to express himself, and unburdened by the bs that comes with women being in a workplace. I have a degree in accounting but there is a huge percentage of women who are in the field. I am considering learning how to code and becomming a programmer, but I feel it's a matter of time before women enter into this field as well. I also feel I can't compete with the autists who dominate this field.

Should I learn to weld or become a mechanic or something? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Why dont you open your own shop? Sole practitioner CPA's can do quite well for themselves

Post: #3

I'm not that far advanced in the field. Don't even have my CPA license yet.

Post: #4

Am also in female dominated work place. 8 out of the 12 co-workers are female. Every Monday first hour involves talking about BS their kids are doing. How they want a pool in the backyard.

Post: #5

The best thing will be to go into business for yourself. Even if you sign on with a construction company or business in another male dominated field, support roles like accounting or finance will always have significant numbers of women.

Post: #6

(08-29-2018 03:05 PM)Adonis Wrote:  The best thing will be to go into business for yourself. Even if you sign on with a construction company or business in another male dominated field, support roles like accounting or finance will always have significant numbers of women.

I second this. As a CPA who worked in corporate jobs for the first part of my career, I suggest you start taking steps to escape into starting your own practice immediately.

The problem with accounting is that the women can be decent at their jobs as long as they are in lower or entry level positions, but once they advance into (middle) management roles they are an absolute nightmare to work both with and for. They can't handle the stress of the job so they resort to either blaming their subordinates for their managerial shortcomings or flat out bullying to cover up for their own incompetence.

Take what you can from your corporate experience and get that CPA completed ASAP, then start your own business. You don't have to switch to programming to escape the female-dominated corporate hell.

Post: #7

Not sure if this is something you would want to do but becoming a truck driver is fairly cheap to get into and the pay is decent for the work. I was quoted for $1500 to take the course but there are companies that will pay for training too. Once you get your CDL it opens unlimited job opportunities all over the US.

Post: #8

(08-29-2018 03:48 PM)Diop Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 03:05 PM)Adonis Wrote:  The best thing will be to go into business for yourself. Even if you sign on with a construction company or business in another male dominated field, support roles like accounting or finance will always have significant numbers of women.

I second this. As a CPA who worked in corporate jobs for the first part of my career, I suggest you start taking steps to escape into starting your own practice immediately.

The problem with accounting is that the women can be decent at their jobs as long as they are in lower or entry level positions, but once they advance into (middle) management roles they are an absolute nightmare to work both with and for. They can't handle the stress of the job so they resort to either blaming their subordinates for their managerial shortcomings or flat out bullying to cover up for their own incompetence.

Take what you can from your corporate experience and get that CPA completed ASAP, then start your own business. You don't have to switch to programming to escape the female-dominated corporate hell.

Have you ever thought about remote freelancing and would you say this is feasible with a CPA?

Post: #9

The guys have given you good advice. If you have problems with women co workers then start your own business. You may take a cut in income for a while though and you have a decent money buffer as well.

I got out of office work over 20 years ago and no way could I go back to it.
Be prepared for the odd annoying client of both sexes working for yourself. I'm in a position now where I don't ever have to look for work and can screen clients. Sometimes I need to work with boards and generally I'd say the women on them are more aggressive compared with the men. Others are fine to have as clients.

Also starting your own business may help avoid the impact of new technology on the amount of employment in accounting. I'm not an account but in my field there is plenty of work not done by the big companies.

Post: #10

(08-29-2018 08:24 PM)Dr Mantis Toboggan Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 03:48 PM)Diop Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 03:05 PM)Adonis Wrote:  The best thing will be to go into business for yourself. Even if you sign on with a construction company or business in another male dominated field, support roles like accounting or finance will always have significant numbers of women.

I second this. As a CPA who worked in corporate jobs for the first part of my career, I suggest you start taking steps to escape into starting your own practice immediately.

The problem with accounting is that the women can be decent at their jobs as long as they are in lower or entry level positions, but once they advance into (middle) management roles they are an absolute nightmare to work both with and for. They can't handle the stress of the job so they resort to either blaming their subordinates for their managerial shortcomings or flat out bullying to cover up for their own incompetence.

Take what you can from your corporate experience and get that CPA completed ASAP, then start your own business. You don't have to switch to programming to escape the female-dominated corporate hell.

Have you ever thought about remote freelancing and would you say this is feasible with a CPA?

I specialize in tax and I can do a lot of remote work with many of my clients. There are some whom I've never even met before, and I've been doing their taxes for several years now. Face time is still important for a good chunk of my client base though, particularly those who have businesses and corporations. The good news is that for many of them, you only have to meet in person once or twice per year so it does allow me to be location-independent throughout certain times of the year.

That's tax work though. I do know some bookkeepers who only work remotely, but none of them are CPA's and I don't think they charge a high hourly fee. Being a CPA certainly does offer remote freelancing opportunities though, you just have to find them. If I had time to do more freelancing I bet I'd be able to find some of those gigs.

Post: #11

My corporate employer is going this way too. Graduate recruitment reached 50% last year and there seems to a fast track process to get them to the senior management roles to close the gender pay gap. The present day senior managers in frustrating marriages love being surrounded by these young women though.

It’s interesting to see the girls only cliques being formed to avoid interaction with male peers with whom they’re equal already. Then with the men they want to be equal with ‘to close the pay gap’, female competition returns.

I’m looking to join a smaller and professional firm whose workforce represents the mostly male demographic of university classes and the profession at large.

Post: #12

How about becoming the Janitor Of Lunacy?

Post: #13

OP, temporary fix till you get your affairs in order: invest in headphones/ear plugs!

You can listen to music, audio book or a language course instead of inane drivel

Post: #14

(08-29-2018 04:30 PM)louiebeans Wrote:  Not sure if this is something you would want to do but becoming a truck driver is fairly cheap to get into and the pay is decent for the work. I was quoted for $1500 to take the course but there are companies that will pay for training too. Once you get your CDL it opens unlimited job opportunities all over the US.

Unlimited options in a dying industry that will soon be replaced by autonomous vehicles currently in development.

It's not worth the time or investment. Sorry, cannot agree.

Post: #15

Thanks for the responses, guys. Some really good stuff here.

Accounting is what I have my B.A. in, but in actuality I have only entry-level experience in the field, so going out and starting my own business as an accountant really isn’t something that’ feasible for me in the near future. It’s definitely something I can work towards, but I’m just not sure if it’s an optimal investment of my time.

The computer programming thing appeals to me, because the information on how to develop mastery within the field is pretty easily available online. There are courses all over the place that teaches one how to become good at it. I’ve already started learning some css, html, and javascript and I kind of enjoy it. In contrast with accounting I feel that the information on how to develop expertise in the field is not as easily available (although this can be advantageous due to less competition). Also, from what I understand a CPA is limited to where he can practice based on which state his CPA license is held in, this reduces work location independence..

In regards to some of the more menial blue-colar jobs that are out there, like trucking, as someone has stated, automation is clearly an issue, and the long-term prospects of jobs like those are grim.

It’s clear that in order to achieve freedom from the current situation I’m in I have to develop a skill that the market demands that’s rare and difficult to achieve (difficult is relative, but let’s just say difficult for most people to achieve, which isn’t impossible given what “most people” achieve). If I’m ever going to go at it alone as an entrepreneur I have to be able to deliver value and have skills that are unique and valuable. This concept was summed up in Cal Newport’s book “So Good They Can’t Ignore You."

In the meantime, my job is not optimal, it is estrogen dominated, but I can listen to podcasts all day, and I've even been taking online courses on the company's computer. I will accept my current situation as it is for the time being, but will take active, but incremental steps towards making it better. I think as roosh said:"Be like water" and don't directly try to resist what your going against, or something like that.

Post: #16

(08-30-2018 11:33 AM)momentomori Wrote:  Also, from what I understand a CPA is limited to where he can practice based on which state his CPA license is held in, this reduces work location independence..

This actually isn't the case at all. CPA's aren't like attorneys where you have to be chartered in a specific state (or reciprocal states) in order to practice. With public audits there may be some requirements with this, but to do tax or any other independent-oriented accounting business, where you are licensed is largely irrelevant. You just have to get the CPA.

Post: #17

Okay, well that's interesting. How do you feel about the long-term stability of the tax field, with tax-software becoming more sophisticated? I realize virtually no industry is safe from automation, but it seems like tax is under particular threat. What other options are there for individual CPA's? What skills can be developed and how to go about developing them?

This thread is sort of making me want to crack open that CPA book.

Post: #18

(08-30-2018 12:59 PM)momentomori Wrote:  Okay, well that's interesting. How do you feel about the long-term stability of the tax field, with tax-software becoming more sophisticated? I realize virtually no industry is safe from automation, but it seems like tax is under particular threat. What other options are there for individual CPA's? What skills can be developed and how to go about developing them?

This thread is sort of making me want to crack open that CPA book.

Tax work in particular is not under much threat because of how Tax Reform has created an entire cluster-fuck where even the most sophisticated tax software has no idea how to handle all of the changes. So to me there's not much to worry about there. As for other areas, scroll the forum because there's a number of good threads that can answer your questions. Here is an excellent start.

Post: #19

(08-30-2018 07:28 AM)Mig Picante Wrote:  Unlimited options in a dying industry that will soon be replaced by autonomous vehicles currently in development.

It's not worth the time or investment. Sorry, cannot agree.

I dont disagree with you on autonomous vehicles that will be taking over but there are many jobs that will not be replaced by self-driving semi trucks. First of all most of them will require a driver to be co-pilot in case anything goes wrong on the journey. Second you still need a CDL for jobs like delivery and jobs where self-driving vehicles just aren't capable. Construction type jobs for example where they already have the equipment and its cheaper just to have a guy drive it over the rough terrain.

It will be a long time before every vehicle on the road is autonomous. Even the trucking industry says 5-10 years before they become the norm. I think for $1500-3000 and 1-3 months of training, you can make roughly $200,000 over the 5 years, if you make the minimum they pay. It may not be a life long career but still decent ROI. With the experience you get from the field you could easily get a job in another sector of the transportation industry.

Post: #20

This topic has been discussed already but I have been thinking about it a lot lately.

I work for a well-known corporation in the US that is going this way as well. I am speculating they are grooming a woman to take over as CEO in a few years and there has been a large uptick in the number of women in the office I work in. It's part of a much larger cultural trend.

As you can imagine I have had a lot of time to reflect on this while planning a permanent exit.

I think the most men with a keen sense of what's going on will opt out of female dominated workplaces for self-employment or jobs that only men are willing to do. The men who stay will become even more feminized.

If you are an average of the people you spend the most time with and you spend most of your time in an office full of women what the fuck do you think is going to happen to you?

Post: #21

Accounting is pretty broad - public accounting by no means female dominated. It's 50/50 at lower levels, but the partners are 80-90% male.

Post: #22

(09-07-2018 11:28 AM)General Mayhem Wrote:  This topic has been discussed already but I have been thinking about it a lot lately.

I work for a well-known corporation in the US that is going this way as well. I am speculating they are grooming a woman to take over as CEO in a few years and there has been a large uptick in the number of women in the office I work in. It's part of a much larger cultural trend.

As you can imagine I have had a lot of time to reflect on this while planning a permanent exit.

I think the most men with a keen sense of what's going on will opt out of female dominated workplaces for self-employment or jobs that only men are willing to do. The men who stay will become even more feminized.

If you are an average of the people you spend the most time with and you spend most of your time in an office full of women what the fuck do you think is going to happen to you?

What I noticed is that women will constantly shit test you vying for dominance. Some women are good and they are just there to pick up the wage and go home but others want their workplace to be drama-filled with no real afterthought of losing their job.

what's extremely common is even if they are below or equal to you in hierarchy, they will try to pass work onto you. It could something too hard for them or a chore they don't want to do. Without a tyrant managing to put fear into them they will naturally gravitate to being comfortable and doing a little as possible.

There are insidious women out there in any office. At least one will try to bring you under heel by trying to pressure you into doing something by name dropping a manager. Other times they will simply bypass your consent and do something without asking you because someone higher up said it was okay.

"I don't think the manager would like that"
"Did you tell the manager about this?"
"The manager said it was ok..."
"manager manager manager..."

Everyone gives women a pass no matter how dumb or incompetent they are - I suspect the reason is that everyone subconsciously is aware that women are bigger children and they cannot be held responsible as an adult would be. The same reason women get less time in prison despite committing identical crimes to men. On a daily basis I see women screw up but nobody calls them on it, it's just quietly dealt with. This is in stark contrast to how a man cops it when he makes an error and you don't hear the end of it.

From my experience, I've been able to silence everyone by being extremely based and telling the women around me that:
1) I don't care about keeping my job at all and
2) The company needs ME, I don't need the company

This seems to silence any woman that tries to manipulate me. Nobody higher up has pulled me aside to question me on this but if they did I would tell them the same thing and ask them why I should stay in the company. If your company is filled with women - it's a shit company. Seriously, how can a company filled with women compete with others that have mostly men in them? Good help is hard to find and they don't want to lose anyone competent. If your CEO is a woman GTFO before the company fails.

Post: #23

I have had awful experiences working with American women in the corporate world. It doesn't matter if the woman is white, black or mexican/hispanic.

I won't mention my race/ethnicity, but women from my own race are nice compared to others in a professional and social enviornment.

I've decided that if I have to work with women, I will try to work with women from my own race/culture. At least I won't deal with racism.

I have noticed that working with women at one of the "top-rated" companies: Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Boeing, Linkedin, Coursera, etc. is not so bad for men compared to the average xyz'd company in corporate america.

Any one have experience working with women at universities in the U.S.? I wonder if its worse at universities compared to corporate jobs

Post: #24

I work in market research so it’s always at least 50% women.

Strangely enough the French women are tolerable. They are VERY dramatic but a few of them are actually very competent, if you can stand their antics and emotional outbursts. Some of them teach me a few things or two. One is very pleasant to work with.

However when I started working with Anglo-Saxon women things change completely. The power plays and incompetence are so blatant it drives even our French female bosses crazy.
As one example, our French female data expert (this gal is good) was unsure about the quality of the UK data processing team, so she asks if the UK side can adapt their results to the global datamap. They flatly say no. Mind you that the UK team is a smaller branch of the French team. Due to their stubborn way I had to spend several days checking the UK data and there were more errors on there than ticks on a dog.

Still, even if the French gals were good the guys were simply better. Men outperform women in just basically every role I have seen. At one point the most brilliant exec we ever had was a gay guy FFS. Our female ex-director was good but when she was replaced with a male things started running like clockwork.

You would need a female to be an organizer/administrator however. The type of guys who are found on this job are fucking losers, while almost all the older gals at this job I know fucking rock it. I think it's because it's so similar in running a household. If I had a company all staff would be guys and all secretary would be competent black chicks. I had zero attraction to black gals and they seem to compensate for their lower intelligence with extreme attention to details, and when you need someone to remind you at what times you have meetings that's the kind of people you need.

That said, some male I worked with are absolutely worthless piece of trash. These people need to be either fired or assigned to a female boss because no good male boss would have the patience to train or work with them.

Post: #25

(09-10-2018 08:45 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I work in market research so it’s always at least 50% women.

Strangely enough the French women are tolerable. They are VERY dramatic but a few of them are actually very competent, if you can stand their antics and emotional outbursts. Some of them teach me a few things or two. One is very pleasant to work with.

However when I started working with Anglo-Saxon women things change completely. The power plays and incompetence are so blatant it drives even our French female bosses crazy.
As one example, our French female data expert (this gal is good) was unsure about the quality of the UK data processing team, so she asks if the UK side can adapt their results to the global datamap. They flatly say no. Mind you that the UK team is a smaller branch of the French team. Due to their stubborn way I had to spend several days checking the UK data and there were more errors on there than ticks on a dog.

Still, even if the French gals were good the guys were simply better. Men outperform women in just basically every role I have seen. At one point the most brilliant exec we ever had was a gay guy FFS. Our female ex-director was good but when she was replaced with a male things started running like clockwork.

You would need a female to be an organizer/administrator however. The type of guys who are found on this job are fucking losers, while almost all the older gals at this job I know fucking rock it. I think it's because it's so similar in running a household. If I had a company all staff would be guys and all secretary would be competent black chicks. I had zero attraction to black gals and they seem to compensate for their lower intelligence with extreme attention to details, and when you need someone to remind you at what times you have meetings that's the kind of people you need.

That said, some male I worked with are absolutely worthless piece of trash. These people need to be either fired or assigned to a female boss because no good male boss would have the patience to train or work with them.

I am ok with the rest of your post but please, could you explain this?