Post: #1

So,
At last I become location independent with a monthly income of 1400-1600$ and I am looking for a place to settle down, the target is 1st to have a home and 2nd most enjoyable place to live withing budget. As we know to get the most value from a place and get the hottest women you to need to stay there for a while.

My criteria are:
1. Quality pussy either long term relationship with 8+ or short term/ONS with 7+ on regular basis (Lets say every 4-5 days at least) ages: 20-30
My preference in women is mostly EE style- white and feminine.
2. Good life style: quality apartment in good location, going out few times per week, eating out regularly, quality GYM.
3. Interesting city to some extent, with events, some festivals, English movie theater and in general English meetups/events.
4. Friendly city which it is possible to make friend and social circle.

About me: Late 30s, can pass as Latin or Turkish, have decent game. I plan to do a different game while living in a city for a while: social circle, home parties, not being to pushy for sex on 1st date with quality girl 7.5+, not push for 2nd date quickly as I would do when staying limited time and thus ruin my coolness and maybe perceived as needy.

The obvious first option would be Ukraine and specifically Kiev, relatively interesting city with great talent and low cost of living.
I also consider Minsk and it has more receptive good girls as it is more closed city. It also much safer but costs of entertainment and restaurants are at least 40% higher.
2nd tier Poland can be an option, but it would more difficult nowadays to land young hotties there.
2nd tier Ukraine I also consider but it seems in Kiev the amount of hot girls never ends. I even consider 3rd tier Ukraine as I normally get something there in the few short visit, still they are small and you can get totally bored for days not to mention you will become known in town.
2nd tier Russia - from my experience even cities with hardly any foreigners does not promise easy lays, the effect can be even negative. Still if we discuss about deteriorating countries (in terms of easiness of girls to foreign guys) like the 3 above it seems that Russia is the least ruined. (Besides Moscow and St. Peter.)
Only other EE country that I can consider is 2nd tier Czech, I got nice results there for the time spent and I think Czech girls are one of the most open for sex in all EE.
Southern EE is less my type and I didn't do well there (Serbia, Bulgaria, Slovenia etc.)
Baltic countries are my type but I think they quite ruined, any Poland city would be better.

If you assume my target is unreasonable then just advise which option is the most close to it. I can stretch my budget to 2000$ if I will find a really good place.

Post: #2

If you decide on Ukraine then you'll going to want to sort out residency, as the days of border hopping are well and truly over. And you'll want to do that as soon as possible so that you can rent a long term apartment at normal prices, instead of being stung with Airbnb.

For me Kiev would be the best option, as much as I've had some crazy experiences in smaller cities in Ukraine, it get's boring very quickly, and there's not many foreigners around to spend time with.

Ryanair has already started flying to Kiev, which is a major bummer of course, but at least you can fly to some cool cities when you need a break.

Minsk could be worthwhile, maybe more WGF than in Ukraine, although girls are less hot. Very few expats living there though. Nightlife I found to be sub par compared to Ukraine. If you did decide on Minsk then I wouldn't worry about prices too much, you can eat in the Belarussian equivalent of Puzhata Hata, which is much better, for about 5-6 Euros for a meal. They have them all over the place. Rents are maybe a bit lower than Kiev, and utility bills are filthy cheap.

Post: #3

I don't wish to make this post about visas etc. There are solutions for that (study visa. Open a company, Etc.)

I didnt mention but nightlife is less important to me nowadays. It fits with long term game strategy. It would be enough for me to go party 1-2 nights in weekends and in mid-week go to early events or just a nice bar.
As for prices, I will explain why kiev is much cheaper in examples: in kiev there are plenty of business lunches cost 60 to 110 gryvna in very good restaurants much better than puzata hate level. This is 2-4 euro. Cocktail in good bar in mins is 12-15 B.ruble which is 6-7 euro while in kiev max is 3-5. And plenty of other examples. I agree that housing and transportation is about the same price.

As for ryanair and becoming westernized this is happening, there is not much we can do but still kiev is huge city and you can find spots with low foreign footprint plus there is always new meat coming from the smaller cities to study or work.

Happy with inputs and discussion thanks!

Post: #4

What is your definition of location independent?

Post: #5

(09-07-2018 12:28 AM)Shimmy Wrote:  What is your definition of location independent?

The ability to earn the same money $ regardless of where I stay.

Post: #6

(09-06-2018 03:27 PM)diego69 Wrote:  My criteria are:
1. Quality pussy either long term relationship with 8+ or short term/ONS with 7+ on regular basis (Lets say every 4-5 days at least) ages: 20-30

Banging a new 7 every four or five days is not sustainable even in Ukraine in my opinion. You might be able to do it for a month but not longer. Doing that would mean u have to go on so many dates and always keep building your pipeline. Unless you look really good and get lots of Tinder action you would need to daygame and nightgame to keep a pipeline going. And even then going on these dates and boring walks and talking with these girls the same all the time would burn you out in the long run. Furthermore as many members I talked to confirmed and which I have experienced too banging 7s is getting much more challenging even in Ukraine. Because of social media girls have plenty of options and also Ukrainian guys are catching up.

As for having a relationship with an 8+ I think your bankroll is just not high enough. 8+ girls have expectations in Ukraine. It does not mean that these girls are gold diggers but they want to get invited to a fancy dinner places here and then, want to do trips to Paris etc etc. If you cant provide this they will just move on. They might be even happier to be single because they think they deserve better.

One last point. Have you been in Kiev between November and April? It is a different kind of city. You would really need to be able to handle winter and cold temperatures if you want to be in EE during that period.

Post: #7

(09-07-2018 12:03 AM)diego69 Wrote:  I don't wish to make this post about visas etc. There are solutions for that (study visa. Open a company, Etc.)

I didnt mention but nightlife is less important to me nowadays. It fits with long term game strategy. It would be enough for me to go party 1-2 nights in weekends and in mid-week go to early events or just a nice bar.
As for prices, I will explain why kiev is much cheaper in examples: in kiev there are plenty of business lunches cost 60 to 110 gryvna in very good restaurants much better than puzata hate level. This is 2-4 euro. Cocktail in good bar in mins is 12-15 B.ruble which is 6-7 euro while in kiev max is 3-5. And plenty of other examples. I agree that housing and transportation is about the same price.

As for ryanair and becoming westernized this is happening, there is not much we can do but still kiev is huge city and you can find spots with low foreign footprint plus there is always new meat coming from the smaller cities to study or work.

Happy with inputs and discussion thanks!

Business lunches are very popular with Ukrainians as they don't have a big lunch as their main meal is dinner. I never have them though, as I i'm big and would need to eat 2-3 of them to be full.

I prefer to go somewhere like Linas cafe where I can be full for less than 150 uah

Post: #8

(09-07-2018 01:02 AM)superschalk Wrote:  

(09-06-2018 03:27 PM)diego69 Wrote:  My criteria are:
1. Quality pussy either long term relationship with 8+ or short term/ONS with 7+ on regular basis (Lets say every 4-5 days at least) ages: 20-30

Banging a new 7 every four or five days is not sustainable even in Ukraine in my opinion. You might be able to do it for a month but not longer. Doing that would mean u have to go on so many dates and always keep building your pipeline. Unless you look really good and get lots of Tinder action you would need to daygame and nightgame to keep a pipeline going. And even then going on these dates and boring walks and talking with these girls the same all the time would burn you out in the long run. Furthermore as many members I talked to confirmed and which I have experienced too banging 7s is getting much more challenging even in Ukraine. Because of social media girls have plenty of options and also Ukrainian guys are catching up.

As for having a relationship with an 8+ I think your bankroll is just not high enough. 8+ girls have expectations in Ukraine. It does not mean that these girls are gold diggers but they want to get invited to a fancy dinner places here and then, want to do trips to Paris etc etc. If you cant provide this they will just move on. They might be even happier to be single because they think they deserve better.

One last point. Have you been in Kiev between November and April? It is a different kind of city. You would really need to be able to handle winter and cold temperatures if you want to be in EE during that period.

Indeed all good points you raised.
To clarify I didn't mean new girl every 4-5 days, it could be the same girl, fuck body, short term girlfriend or so.
I am totally with you about burning out from dates and approaches, as I mentioned my game would be long term game, I can elaborate:
Make many friends from the start even girl for the sake of friendship just to open up my social circle, do home parties which girls can see where I live and understand they can live in such life style, travel occasionally (its not expensive) to Europe with/without girl and let all my social circle know and so own. When Im DHV I wouldn't need to approach and pipeline extensively, I would sense girls interests in invite them out. If compare it for a business then I'm investing in marketing a lot and not spamming. Its only good for long term staying in a place.

Now, to focus on money, its in not simple as that, just money wont give you and 8, or give you an 8 gold digger. Its the total DHV and also not all girls are so money oriented, I use to have girlfriends in Ukraine, about 7-7.5, both were happy with lunch on Katyusha or even walk in the park, I did invest in upper scale dinners and abroad trips but this was after some time in relationship and surely after sex.
I hate the pure gold diggers, girls that ask me to invite them taxi I next them, not to mention girls which asks to meet in specific restaurant, knowing those girl expecting as you describe high investment for lower quality, I might miss some pussy as some of them will bang eventually but I more enjoy my time with good character girls.

I was in Kiev in those months, the advantage of them is low tourist season more easy with girls and once you long term you dont day game so much anyhow.
In any case, even if I move over there I assume that for Dec-Feb I will travel to hotter country like Greece or Portugal, maybe even with my Ukrainian girl to be.

Post: #9

Croatia

Post: #10

I guess your low income points toward Ukraine.

But, I think the ideal situation is not to settle anywhere. But rather to have a set seasonal migration pattern. EE in summer, and then Asia/Latin America in the winter.

Belarus would also be a good choice from May to October, and then spend november to April in Asia/LA. Or Minsk until the end of the year, and then 3 months in Asia/LA.

Post: #11

What do you do?

Post: #12

(09-07-2018 03:41 AM)Ceasar Wrote:  I guess your low income points toward Ukraine.

But, I think the ideal situation is not to settle anywhere. But rather to have a set seasonal migration pattern. EE in summer, and then Asia/Latin America in the winter.

Belarus would also be a good choice from May to October, and then spend november to April in Asia/LA. Or Minsk until the end of the year, and then 3 months in Asia/LA.

I have tried this, fun for a while but you eventually end up craving your own base where you can keep all your stuff, somewhere to call home. And also girls will want someone who is stable and mostly in one place, unless you want to take her with you.

Post: #13

(09-07-2018 01:02 AM)superschalk Wrote:  

(09-06-2018 03:27 PM)diego69 Wrote:  My criteria are:
1. Quality pussy either long term relationship with 8+ or short term/ONS with 7+ on regular basis (Lets say every 4-5 days at least) ages: 20-30

Banging a new 7 every four or five days is not sustainable even in Ukraine in my opinion. You might be able to do it for a month but not longer. Doing that would mean u have to go on so many dates and always keep building your pipeline. Unless you look really good and get lots of Tinder action you would need to daygame and nightgame to keep a pipeline going. And even then going on these dates and boring walks and talking with these girls the same all the time would burn you out in the long run. Furthermore as many members I talked to confirmed and which I have experienced too banging 7s is getting much more challenging even in Ukraine. Because of social media girls have plenty of options and also Ukrainian guys are catching up.

As for having a relationship with an 8+ I think your bankroll is just not high enough. 8+ girls have expectations in Ukraine. It does not mean that these girls are gold diggers but they want to get invited to a fancy dinner places here and then, want to do trips to Paris etc etc. If you cant provide this they will just move on. They might be even happier to be single because they think they deserve better.

One last point. Have you been in Kiev between November and April? It is a different kind of city. You would really need to be able to handle winter and cold temperatures if you want to be in EE during that period.

Agreed. In my opinion a lay every 4-5 days is unrealistic and you aim too high. It could only cause disappointment on a longer term. If you don't plan on having a LTR I wouldn't consider second tier Russia or the entire Russian Federation altogether. Ukraine as well. Although quality is high, regular ONS not something easily attainable, with Ukraine a bit easier compared to Russia (also depends on your level of gaming of course so I can't generalize too much).

I've lived in Chisinau for 5 months. There are supposed to be 500k people living there but it feels like a small town. I think second tier cities in Poland feel much bigger and are much better. Lower quality than FSU but easier lays and more fun to live there. More things to do and such, which is important as well. And better attitude. Polish women are more open and friendlier. Not only the weather in Ukraine and Russia is cold, the women are as well. They're Ice Queens. Personally I love it but it's not for everyone. Thus Poland feels like a warm bath every now and then whenever I return from the FSU. I would consider Poland if I were you. Just avoid Warsaw. A city with no charm. I don't think Poland changed that much.

Post: #14

(09-07-2018 02:25 AM)Nikola Jokic Wrote:  Croatia

I've spent some time in Zagreb and indeed talent was great but couldn't even get a decent date, in general I think Balkan is hard, specifically for my look.

(09-07-2018 06:44 AM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  What do you do?

Trade.

(09-07-2018 07:10 AM)Wander Wrote:  

(09-07-2018 03:41 AM)Ceasar Wrote:  I guess your low income points toward Ukraine.

But, I think the ideal situation is not to settle anywhere. But rather to have a set seasonal migration pattern. EE in summer, and then Asia/Latin America in the winter.

Belarus would also be a good choice from May to October, and then spend november to April in Asia/LA. Or Minsk until the end of the year, and then 3 months in Asia/LA.

I have tried this, fun for a while but you eventually end up craving your own base where you can keep all your stuff, somewhere to call home. And also girls will want someone who is stable and mostly in one place, unless you want to take her with you.

Indeed I also considered seasonal migration but as noted by wander I need a home, a base and show stability for the girl.

Post: #15

(09-07-2018 07:21 AM)ActaNonVerba Wrote:  

(09-07-2018 01:02 AM)superschalk Wrote:  

(09-06-2018 03:27 PM)diego69 Wrote:  My criteria are:
1. Quality pussy either long term relationship with 8+ or short term/ONS with 7+ on regular basis (Lets say every 4-5 days at least) ages: 20-30

Banging a new 7 every four or five days is not sustainable even in Ukraine in my opinion. You might be able to do it for a month but not longer. Doing that would mean u have to go on so many dates and always keep building your pipeline. Unless you look really good and get lots of Tinder action you would need to daygame and nightgame to keep a pipeline going. And even then going on these dates and boring walks and talking with these girls the same all the time would burn you out in the long run. Furthermore as many members I talked to confirmed and which I have experienced too banging 7s is getting much more challenging even in Ukraine. Because of social media girls have plenty of options and also Ukrainian guys are catching up.

As for having a relationship with an 8+ I think your bankroll is just not high enough. 8+ girls have expectations in Ukraine. It does not mean that these girls are gold diggers but they want to get invited to a fancy dinner places here and then, want to do trips to Paris etc etc. If you cant provide this they will just move on. They might be even happier to be single because they think they deserve better.

One last point. Have you been in Kiev between November and April? It is a different kind of city. You would really need to be able to handle winter and cold temperatures if you want to be in EE during that period.

Agreed. In my opinion a lay every 4-5 days is unrealistic and you aim too high. It could only cause disappointment on a longer term. If you don't plan on having a LTR I wouldn't consider second tier Russia or the entire Russian Federation altogether. Ukraine as well. Although quality is high, regular ONS not something easily attainable, with Ukraine a bit easier compared to Russia (also depends on your level of gaming of course so I can't generalize too much).

I've lived in Chisinau for 5 months. There are supposed to be 500k people living there but it feels like a small town. I think second tier cities in Poland feel much bigger and are much better. Lower quality than FSU but easier lays and more fun to live there. More things to do and such, which is important as well. And better attitude. Polish women are more open and friendlier. Not only the weather in Ukraine and Russia is cold, the women are as well. They're Ice Queens. Personally I love it but it's not for everyone. Thus Poland feels like a warm bath every now and then whenever I return from the FSU. I would consider Poland if I were you. Just avoid Warsaw. A city with no charm. I don't think Poland changed that much.

As stated above I plan different game strategy when living in a place.
Been to Chisinau few years back, its was ok but cannot compete with Ukraine in talent, interest and easiness of girls.
In Russia I felt alone, even in cities with hardly any foreigners still foreigner value is not high. Still Russia is huge, I never been in southern cities like Rostov or Krasnodar, there might be better vibe there.
I agree about Poland, I used to spend a lot of time there, but to get young 8 or even 7 become harder with years. Any specific city that lets say is less westernized? normally cities without airport (or very small like Lodz) are still OK.

Post: #16

(09-07-2018 01:02 AM)superschalk Wrote:  Banging a new 7 every four or five days is not sustainable even in Ukraine in my opinion. You might be able to do it for a month but not longer. Doing that would mean u have to go on so many dates and always keep building your pipeline. Unless you look really good and get lots of Tinder action you would need to daygame and nightgame to keep a pipeline going. And even then going on these dates and boring walks and talking with these girls the same all the time would burn you out in the long run. Furthermore as many members I talked to confirmed and which I have experienced too banging 7s is getting much more challenging even in Ukraine. Because of social media girls have plenty of options and also Ukrainian guys are catching up.

As for having a relationship with an 8+ I think your bankroll is just not high enough. 8+ girls have expectations in Ukraine. It does not mean that these girls are gold diggers but they want to get invited to a fancy dinner places here and then, want to do trips to Paris etc etc. If you cant provide this they will just move on. They might be even happier to be single because they think they deserve better.

One last point. Have you been in Kiev between November and April? It is a different kind of city. You would really need to be able to handle winter and cold temperatures if you want to be in EE during that period.

This is spot on. I would pick somewhere like LA/SEA over Ukraine if staying where you are and either saving up more money or increasing income isn't an option. You will be cutting massive corners by having such a small budget which will give you a worse experience both in life and with women.

The downside to Ukraine is the girls will waste way more of your time and the time you spend to land a girl will be much higher than SEA/LA. The more time you spend getting fucked around by girls and chasing the less time you will be able to work and your income will suffer.

Post: #17

How comfortable is 1500 a month in these locations? I just became Location independent myself, with a budget not much bigger.

Post: #18

(09-07-2018 05:35 PM)Shimmy Wrote:  

(09-07-2018 01:02 AM)superschalk Wrote:  Banging a new 7 every four or five days is not sustainable even in Ukraine in my opinion. You might be able to do it for a month but not longer. Doing that would mean u have to go on so many dates and always keep building your pipeline. Unless you look really good and get lots of Tinder action you would need to daygame and nightgame to keep a pipeline going. And even then going on these dates and boring walks and talking with these girls the same all the time would burn you out in the long run. Furthermore as many members I talked to confirmed and which I have experienced too banging 7s is getting much more challenging even in Ukraine. Because of social media girls have plenty of options and also Ukrainian guys are catching up.

As for having a relationship with an 8+ I think your bankroll is just not high enough. 8+ girls have expectations in Ukraine. It does not mean that these girls are gold diggers but they want to get invited to a fancy dinner places here and then, want to do trips to Paris etc etc. If you cant provide this they will just move on. They might be even happier to be single because they think they deserve better.

One last point. Have you been in Kiev between November and April? It is a different kind of city. You would really need to be able to handle winter and cold temperatures if you want to be in EE during that period.

This is spot on. I would pick somewhere like LA/SEA over Ukraine if staying where you are and either saving up more money or increasing income isn't an option. You will be cutting massive corners by hacing such a small budget which will give you a worse experience both in life and with women.

The downside to Ukraine is the girls will waste way more of your time and the time you spend to land a girl will be much higher than SEA/LA. The more time you spend getting fucked around by girls and chasing the less time you will be able to work and your income will suffer.

Not relevant for my taste in women. My income does not rely on many work hours and it is very stable.

(09-07-2018 05:37 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  How comfortable is 1500 a month in these locations? I just became Location independent myself, with a budget not much bigger.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/co...Comparison

"You would need around 1,634.63$ (46,192.89₴) in Kiev to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 5,800.00$ in Los Angeles, CA (assuming you rent in both cities). This calculation uses our Cost of Living Plus Rent Index to compare cost of living. This assumes net earnings (after income tax). You can change the amount in this calculation."

Post: #19

For the guys which put "other" location, where would you suggest me to go?

Post: #20

(09-06-2018 03:27 PM)diego69 Wrote:  My criteria are:
1. Quality pussy either long term relationship with 8+ or short term/ONS with 7+ on regular basis (Lets say every 4-5 days at least) ages: 20-30
My preference in women is mostly EE style- white and feminine.
4. Friendly city which it is possible to make friend and social circle.

1. This won't happen, a different 7+ each week? Not at all.
4. Any city is what you make of it.

(09-06-2018 03:27 PM)diego69 Wrote:  About me: Late 30s, can pass as Latin or Turkish.

What nationality are you actually?

(09-06-2018 03:27 PM)diego69 Wrote:  The obvious first option would be Ukraine and specifically Kiev, relatively interesting city with great talent and low cost of living.
2nd tier Ukraine I also consider but it seems in Kiev the amount of hot girls never ends. I even consider 3rd tier Ukraine as I normally get something there in the few short visit, still they are small and you can get totally bored for days not to mention you will become known in town.
2nd tier Russia - from my experience even cities with hardly any foreigners does not promise easy lays, the effect can be even negative. Still if we discuss about deteriorating countries (in terms of easiness of girls to foreign guys) like the 3 above it seems that Russia is the least ruined. (Besides Moscow and St. Peter.)

Fuck Kyiv, it's a shithole that's overrun by RVF idiots and there is an entire industry based around this. Ukraine as a whole is 3rd rate, there are some gems but I'd never live there.

Russia is where you want to go to, providing you speak Russian, it'll be very good although if you don't, it'll be an entertaining ride, that's for sure

Post: #21

Overrun by Islamic Sex tourists yes, overrun by RVF guys - no. Even if it was, if you could pull back the curtains on some members of the forum and see who they are, then you would rest easy.

To new location independent guys, you have figured out one of the biggest problems with the lifestyle, where to go. Having so much freedom can mess with your mind, strike out in one pussy hot-spot you then hit pastures greener and eventually go here there and everywhere, without a base.

Post: #22

(09-12-2018 01:25 PM)Bikal Wrote:  

(09-06-2018 03:27 PM)diego69 Wrote:  My criteria are:
1. Quality pussy either long term relationship with 8+ or short term/ONS with 7+ on regular basis (Lets say every 4-5 days at least) ages: 20-30
My preference in women is mostly EE style- white and feminine.
4. Friendly city which it is possible to make friend and social circle.

1. This won't happen, a different 7+ each week? Not at all.
4. Any city is what you make of it.

(09-06-2018 03:27 PM)diego69 Wrote:  About me: Late 30s, can pass as Latin or Turkish.

What nationality are you actually?

(09-06-2018 03:27 PM)diego69 Wrote:  The obvious first option would be Ukraine and specifically Kiev, relatively interesting city with great talent and low cost of living.
2nd tier Ukraine I also consider but it seems in Kiev the amount of hot girls never ends. I even consider 3rd tier Ukraine as I normally get something there in the few short visit, still they are small and you can get totally bored for days not to mention you will become known in town.
2nd tier Russia - from my experience even cities with hardly any foreigners does not promise easy lays, the effect can be even negative. Still if we discuss about deteriorating countries (in terms of easiness of girls to foreign guys) like the 3 above it seems that Russia is the least ruined. (Besides Moscow and St. Peter.)

Fuck Kyiv, it's a shithole that's overrun by RVF idiots and there is an entire industry based around this. Ukraine as a whole is 3rd rate, there are some gems but I'd never live there.

Russia is where you want to go to, providing you speak Russian, it'll be very good although if you don't, it'll be an entertaining ride, that's for sure

(09-12-2018 04:03 PM)Henny Wrote:  Overrun by Islamic Sex tourists yes, overrun by RVF guys - no. Even if it was, if you could pull back the curtains on some members of the forum and see who they are, then you would rest easy.

To new location independent guys, you have figured out one of the biggest problems with the lifestyle, where to go. Having so much freedom can mess with your mind, strike out in one pussy hot-spot you then hit pastures greener and eventually go here there and everywhere, without a base.

1. Check my replies above.
4. Though in a philosophical way it might be true and for sure as an attitude, in real life there are cities which are more open to foreigners, more friendly people and some cities that are less. In general suburban Russia can be much less friendly and harder to make friends and this is from experience.
Although of the sex tourists in Kiev, still it is almost 4M people with suburbs (Some even say 6M unofficial number) so the effect of them is less than for example all Baltic capitals or even Minsk. RFV members even less effect. In any case you should avoid Khreshatik and Arena areas and high end clubs and you can meet genuinely nice girls which are not super defensive.
Russia I am curious to check more cities but as @Henny wrote it is a problem of freedom and always looking for better spot, for sure making one home base will reap the rewards better, but which place should it be? For now I am still not sure and consider travel for full month to new locations and tried them out before deciding.
And BTW I am trying now in Mamba cities like Rostov on Don and the contacts are not high and although this is not sex tourist destination many girls reply to me there with request for cash per meeting=P2P, not for me and and also this means that even without much tourists those cities have the same plague as Kiev or Minsk of many hot girls adopted the sponsorship way of life. Still, I think I should give 1 month to a 2nd tier city in Russia, not sure yet which one.

Post: #23

(09-12-2018 07:21 PM)diego69 Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 01:25 PM)Bikal Wrote:  

(09-06-2018 03:27 PM)diego69 Wrote:  My criteria are:
1. Quality pussy either long term relationship with 8+ or short term/ONS with 7+ on regular basis (Lets say every 4-5 days at least) ages: 20-30
My preference in women is mostly EE style- white and feminine.
4. Friendly city which it is possible to make friend and social circle.

1. This won't happen, a different 7+ each week? Not at all.
4. Any city is what you make of it.

(09-06-2018 03:27 PM)diego69 Wrote:  About me: Late 30s, can pass as Latin or Turkish.

What nationality are you actually?

(09-06-2018 03:27 PM)diego69 Wrote:  The obvious first option would be Ukraine and specifically Kiev, relatively interesting city with great talent and low cost of living.
2nd tier Ukraine I also consider but it seems in Kiev the amount of hot girls never ends. I even consider 3rd tier Ukraine as I normally get something there in the few short visit, still they are small and you can get totally bored for days not to mention you will become known in town.
2nd tier Russia - from my experience even cities with hardly any foreigners does not promise easy lays, the effect can be even negative. Still if we discuss about deteriorating countries (in terms of easiness of girls to foreign guys) like the 3 above it seems that Russia is the least ruined. (Besides Moscow and St. Peter.)

Fuck Kyiv, it's a shithole that's overrun by RVF idiots and there is an entire industry based around this. Ukraine as a whole is 3rd rate, there are some gems but I'd never live there.

Russia is where you want to go to, providing you speak Russian, it'll be very good although if you don't, it'll be an entertaining ride, that's for sure

(09-12-2018 04:03 PM)Henny Wrote:  Overrun by Islamic Sex tourists yes, overrun by RVF guys - no. Even if it was, if you could pull back the curtains on some members of the forum and see who they are, then you would rest easy.

To new location independent guys, you have figured out one of the biggest problems with the lifestyle, where to go. Having so much freedom can mess with your mind, strike out in one pussy hot-spot you then hit pastures greener and eventually go here there and everywhere, without a base.

1. Check my replies above.
4. Though in a philosophical way it might be true and for sure as an attitude, in real life there are cities which are more open to foreigners, more friendly people and some cities that are less. In general suburban Russia can be much less friendly and harder to make friends and this is from experience.
Although of the sex tourists in Kiev, still it is almost 4M people with suburbs (Some even say 6M unofficial number) so the effect of them is less than for example all Baltic capitals or even Minsk. RFV members even less effect. In any case you should avoid Khreshatik and Arena areas and high end clubs and you can meet genuinely nice girls which are not super defensive.
Russia I am curious to check more cities but as @Henny wrote it is a problem of freedom and always looking for better spot, for sure making one home base will reap the rewards better, but which place should it be? For now I am still not sure and consider travel for full month to new locations and tried them out before deciding.
And BTW I am trying now in Mamba cities like Rostov on Don and the contacts are not high and although this is not sex tourist destination many girls reply to me there with request for cash per meeting=P2P, not for me and and also this means that even without much tourists those cities have the same plague as Kiev or Minsk of many hot girls adopted the sponsorship way of life. Still, I think I should give 1 month to a 2nd tier city in Russia, not sure yet which one.

Although there are not so many sex tourists outside of the centre, the whole city has been subject to sex tourism, pretty much every girl has been hit on by foreigners or propositioned online, mostly by Turkish and Arab guys "Hey baby, $100 for sex?". For example a girl that I was seeing last summer who lived on the outskirts of Kiev has started to get into Instagram, the other day she message me asking if I know of a good site to rent apartments, I asked why, she said that she met an Iranian guy online and he's coming to Kiev soon

The best thing is that you can get younger girls before they have fully realised the power they possess, this stops at about 21. With these girls, I take them to a cafe and tell them to order whatever they want, and they think i'm a king.

Same if you meet girls from outside of Kiev in Kiev, if they are starstruck that you're a foreigner you should immediately show them a good time, don't bother taking the number, say "Hey let's go have a drink"

As far as Russia goes, there is very little sex tourism, but the general consensus seems to be that Russia doesn't have many advantages over Ukraine - higher prices, worse weather, worse food, more dangerous etc. That said i'm sure there are some cities that could potentially be pussy paradises.

I would choose Ukraine personally, if you change your mind you can always move and you've had some good fun

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(09-11-2018 03:51 PM)diego69 Wrote:  For the guys which put "other" location, where would you suggest me to go?

I've not looked too much into long terms stays in these places. However, I was surprised how easy it is to stay in Russia, essentially permanently with a business visa. And you don't actually need any real business to get a business visa. Once you have 3 month one, you can get a one year one, and then you can get a three year one if I remember correctly. Then if you can speak Russian you can go for citizenship. I don't think it's that simple in other countries.

As also mentioned you can switch between cities, which is a pretty good option in terms of getting out of -20 in the winter. SEA has real cheap apartments with pools and GYMs. But you are likely looking at a minimum of $400 to get to SEA, unless maybe you're in Moscow. I've just been living in the region and can do it on $1,000 per month, but it doesn't leave much left. Obviously AirBnB is the big sink. Oh, and that's cheap apartments. Not something that you will bring a girl back to and she will be impressed. Good apartments in EE will be more like $50 per night. You can buy good ones in SEA for $50K; $100K in EE.

Another option re the visas is Armenia, which will probably have a 6 month visa free for you. Georgia has 12 months, but its not a worthwhile destination.

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Best months to avoid are January to March when the weather is at it's worst. You're going to want to overwinter somewhere where you can get laid, is cheap and has good weather, SEA good for that.

Armenia is only a slight improvement over Georgia in terms of women, and even more boring. There's absolutely no reason to chose the place over SEA, if he's earning $1400-$1600 then affording a $400 flight isn't going to be a problem