Post: #1

This is fun...

The latest attack on your buddy Hank is that I am a "game denialist." I have no idea what that even means. But apparently I have spoken heresy and contradicted the game "Bible."

What's even weirder is apparently there are secret Facebook groups where members of this forum talk about other members of this forum. It's like Mean Girls, except men.

Men talking about other men. Giving neural rep points. That's real masculine.

So, I'll give you a brief background about myself...

I had a long term girlfriend in high school. We broke up when college came around. I banged two girls in college, until shacking up with the woman I eventually married. We were together 12 years. Great gal. I went to law school, she went to grad school, we bought a house together, but eventually we grew apart and divorced. We're still friends.

I got back into the dating scene at age 30. After floundering around for a bit and catching oneitis, a buddy of mine bought me a copy of "The Game" and left it on my desk. From there, I ate up every bit of red pill knowledge I could, reading every book and website out there about game and trying to put it into practice. You name it, I've read it. You ask it, I've tried it. I devoted a few years to eating, breathing, sleeping, and living game. Game came first, everything else came second.

Despite being a lawyer, I consider myself a pretty regular dude. I watch Philly sports, go to work every morning, live in a major city, and I'm pretty average looking. I do everything I can do try and up my chances, though. I'm more of an introvert than an extrovert -- none of this comes naturally to me.

Some of what I learned about game worked, some of it didn't.

Years later, at 36 years old going on 37, I generally find myself with way more girls than before. I'm single, no kids, self employed, own a house, and live in Philly. MikeCF stays at my house sometimes. I stayed at Randazza's house last month for a week. My roommate is a female and we throw crazy ass parties.

It's pretty interesting around here when all is said and done.

Lately I don't go out and game all that much, mostly because I've found it's gotten boring. I have a decent rolodex of FWBs, a big social circle, and a fun lifestyle where I'm around cool women who I can choose to date. After doing this long enough, I don't really have a huge need to spend all my nights cold approaching.

I'll game when you kids come to Philly, but mostly for fun. (Which, by the way, if any of you are near Philly, hit me up, we do cool meetups here.) Otherwise, I just have parties at the house and enjoy myself.

After several years, these are my observations:

- Women are a wide range. We tend to write about exaggerations. Fat blue haired feminists, Instagram models, etc. However, most of what you find is in between. Social workers, teachers, non-profit workers, waitresses, HR specialists, etc. They're not dimes, but they're not 75lbs overweight, either. A lot of women are generally well adjusted, and just looking for a man who is the same. If you want to date strippers and Instagram models, you need to be in their social circles.

- Game is not rocket science. We're genetically programmed to be attracted to feminine females. Females are genetically programmed to be attracted to masculine men. Things women like? Confidence. Leadership. Looking well groomed. Tans and muscles don't hurt. Being able to speak like a well adjusted human being. All this "peacocking" and first date bangs is nonsense. Again, what type of women are you looking to date? Normal women, or women who want to be flown to Dubai?

- Game is supposed to be fun. Personally, I enjoy spending time with women and getting to know them. If your goal is to meet women on Tinder and fuck them in dark parking lots, well, that's not my cup of tea. Nor is it someone I would want to spend time with. I'd rather play a game or squash or eat dinner out while talking about philosophy, personally.

- A no today is often a yes tomorrow. Sometimes you'll move on a girl and she will reject you. If you're not a big baby about it, you can become friends and often she'll introduce you to her friends.

- I have women friends. We text, we talk, we email, throw parties at my house, and sometimes do business together. Is there drama? For sure. I'm not friends with them for the purpose of banging, but just because I'm a normal human being and so are they. What do we talk about? Anything and everything.

- Physical attraction matters. I'm 5'5, 185lbs, 33 waist. When I gained weight last year (we're talking like 240lbs), I couldn't approach or date for shit. No matter how sly your spit, women, just like you, need some level of physical attraction. My general rule is "don't be fat" and you're about 90% of the way there. Muscles, white teeth, fitted clothes, and a tan help immensely. Also, like it or not, women hold being short against you. They'll actively approach my tall homies when we are out at bars. Me? I have to do all the approaches, no matter how nice my suit looks. There are some girls who simply won't date short guys, fat guys, etc. The key here isn't to next them, just be cool about it.

- Different strokes for different folks. Many of the bartenders, DJs, "I don't know what this guy does but he has a lot of tattoos" get laid all the time. Your ability to get laid isn't dependent on your cash flow. However, cash is nice to do other stuff like travel and not have to worry about whether your electric is going to get shut off. Does it help your game? Eh.

- Eventually game just gets boring. Going out, meeting women, dropping the same lines, spending money ... it just gets old. When I started out it was fun and exciting. Now it feels like a chore, unless I'm doing it with other dudes who find it new and interesting.

- The "Bible" members of the forum cry about the three date method, even though it has like a 99% success rate. While it sounds really cool on the internet to say you Ubered a girl from Tinder to a restaurant and fucked her in the parking lot, that's very difficult unless you're very good looking. I'm not. For me? I just enjoy getting to know women and letting it play out. If she wants to hang out a second time, it's usually a bang. It's more about me enjoying myself than increasing the notch count. I like going out to dinner, playing squash, yadda yadda. I do not like fucking in my car, because that is what my giant bedroom is for.

Look, if you want to spend every evening in bars doing cold approaches, reading palms, and throwing around kino, more power to you. It gets old after awhile in my opinion. You end up spending too much time chasing around vapid women just to try and to get a nut off in the back seat of your car. I'd rather spend my time doing more productive and interesting things, surrounded by people I enjoy being around. If you want to spend your nights hanging around bars, fucking chicks in the backseat of your car in seedy parking lots, more power to ya.

That's not for me. I like to develop relationships and bang in the comfort of my big bed, with the AC on. Then wash the sheets after.

Right now there is a woman sleeping in my bed, and my house is a wreck from the rager we just threw here last night. I've got money in my bank account, jiu jitsu is in an hour, and I'm back to my college weight. Someone left a giant bottle of tequila in my kitchen. Maybe I'll go swim at the Bellevue this afternoon, or just do nothing.

I have nothing to complain about. Most of my fun lifestyle is because I learned game. However, I don't take this shit as religion. I don't write books for a living, and these forum posts are just for fun. I get nothing from it.

The guys who preach the Game Bible mantra are full of shit. "You have to bang every girl on the first date." "You can't be friends with women." "Nothing matters except how good your spit is." "Women are either Instagram models or blue haired feminists."

Bullshit.

If you believe that shit, you've never lived a day in the real world, or interacted with a woman.

Most of attracting women is this:

- Be around women. Your cat won't help you meet girls. Cold approaches are the most efficient. They are everywhere - at your work, in coffee shops, on Tinder, Bumble, etc. They're not on your couch, though.
- Be well socially adjusted; have a few different social circles.
- Be well groomed and dress well.
- Don't be fat, or at least too fat. Muscles and tans help.
- Have hobbies outside of game. I like camping, kayaking, and jiu jitsu.
- Learn to tell stories and speak well. Ask lots of questions and don't talk all that much about yourself. I usually don't tell women I'm a lawyer, even though it's a "high value" profession.
- Dress decently. Clothes that fit. Find some sort of style that fits your personality. If you're a biker, own it. If you're a hipster, own it. If you lay concrete for a living, own it.
- Money doesn't matter. Just give women the impression that you're awesome at whatever it is you do. If you're a server, you're the best one in the neighborhood. If you're an accountant, you're the most knowledgeable. Any profession can generate attraction.
- Live your life for you. All the "Biblical" rules about game are bullshit. If you want women friends, have them. If you want to be friends with your ex, do it. Once you know the playbook, you can pretty much throw it out the door to tailor it to your lifestyle. Be like Doug Pederson and go for it on 4th and 1 with a trick play, instead of believing the only way to do it is run straight up the middle.

That's pretty much all I have to say.

Post: #2

You maximized your genetic potential by age 37, and have a good lifestyle going on; you’ve done very well.

Standards are indeed different for every man and you’re a really inspiring case because of being short, and average looking to boot.

It’s hard to compare accomplishments between men because we each have different faculties and ceilings, and something that may be amazing for one man to accomplish might not be for another.

However, there is an idea here that game is something that gets you something more than what you deserve, that it can somehow get you a girl above your value—that’s a blatant lie.

Game is something that develops in a lot of men without ever having to read about it; it’s a natural growth of power; the fulfilling of the potential you always carried within you; not some magic pill that gives the little man an advantage.

If you try to get a girl above your value, even if you somehow manage to sleep with her, won’t be able to keep her. Game is something that is given when earned through experience: it cannot be learned through reading. I also believe there is a natural limit, a biological amount of clout every man can get, and is capable of managing—game is that—power, applied to relationships with women.

Value is a very interesting thing, we normally act and should act according to what we know we can deliver, thus faking it can only last so long, because you need to deliver on what you’ve been faking.

Post: #3

(10-06-2018 09:07 AM)Flux Wrote:  You maximized your genetic potential by age 37, and have a good lifestyle going on; you’ve done very well.

Standards are indeed different for every man and you’re a really inspiring case because of being short, and average looking to boot.

It’s hard to compare accomplishments between men because we each have different faculties and ceilings, and something that may be amazing for one man to accomplish might not be for another: that does not make his accomplishment any lesser.

There is an idea here that game is something that gets you something more than what you deserve, that it can in somehow get you a girl above your value—but that’s a blatant lie.

You deserve everything you get and that is what is rightfully yours; game is something that develops naturally in a lot of men without ever having to read about it; it’s a natural growth of power.

If you try to get a girl above your value, even if you sleep with her, won’t be able to keep her.

Personally I like short girls. The women I find attractive, other dudes don't. Some guys like lanky broads with long sticks and blond hair. Not my thing. I like 'em tiny and dark haired.

People get pissed when I say this, but yes, being short makes gaming a challenge. I'm 5'5. Anything below 5'8 creates a negative inference. Many women simply are not attracted to short men, no matter how good your game, your style, your face, career, etc. I get called a "game denialist" and accused of having "limited beliefs." In reality, try and go run game when you're 5'5 and see what happens. My taller homies, with less spit, have it a lot easier. That is just reality. We play the hand we're dealt.

I can get women being short, but it takes more work than my tall friends. Women just approach them. When I'm short and too fat, it's game over. There is simply no physical attraction, even though my spit is on point.

Right now there is this dangerous concept going around that all you need is smooth spit, and everything else is meaningless. That's not the case. If I go out in an old sweatshirt, sandals, and shorts, I'm generally leaving the bar with nothing to show for it. Overweight and short? Dressed like a bum? Good luck.

Too many negative physical factors. No matter how sly your spit.

A fat girl in nice duds with bleached blond hair, perfume, and tits hanging out is still a fatty.

Post: #4

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educati...micalc.htm

Plugging in the numbers here puts it just above the obese threshold. While if what you said is true, and I believe it's entirely possible, you're just on the cusp of breaking into a different category while you travel down towards a healthy weight.

There are a lot of things I'd want to ask concerning what you say you do because while not impossible sound like monumental tasks. Such as hardly consuming 1000 calories a day when your body was used to what had to be thousands a day. I myself find it annoying enough to stay under 2300 a day.

Then you mention going to roll at the local dojo after an all night rager. How can a dude your age party all night and expect to be able to be a decent training partner?

But mostly, I'd want to know why does this post come off as self fellating rather than an actual game thread. I read it as me, me, me, me oh yeah and here are some generic game facts so it looks like I'm contributing but have already rehashed multiple times.

Post: #5

@ the preface of your OP:

Who gives a shit. It's a fucking internet forum grow some thicker skin. "Neutral reps" "Facebook groups" wah wah wah

So some folks don't like you. That's life.TL;DR your soliloquy

Post: #6

Hank, as relative newcomer I've read and liked many of your posts. You have a great writing style and make your case convincingly. And there's some good info there.

From lurking, the critisicm that I've seen levelled at you is that some folks see your writing is a re-worded version of other material commonly found in the manosphere rather than the 'cutting edge'. This may be true -- but I wonder how original anyone can be nowadays. As a noob, I'm still working this shit out.

What I feel is getting missed though is that the contribution that you bring to this forum goes beyond the material that you write.

I've recently been reading the WIA colombia thread which was some mind-blowing stuff. Here's this older guy magically pulling these latin girls without words using some voodoo charisma. Following this, I see WIA as an 'archetype' on this forum that helps me locate my own journey in the manosphere.

I see you much the same way. A completely different kind of archetype for sure but someone who's personality and lifestyle definitely shines through. In my minds eye, I see you as this shortish suited guy lounging in leather sofas schmoozing with some women in a friendly (read: non-asshole) way.

Not to mention these cool Philadelphia meetups that I see you organise which makes me wish I lived in the US. Cigars and saunas? Damn, dude.

For me, it's all part of the package.

That doesn't mean, like anyone, you shouldn't take on board valid critisicm and make whatever changes you deem appropriate.

But I wouldn't worry what people say.



--writing this hurriedly on mobile so hope it makes sense

Post: #7

There’s a lot in your post, and I’m not going to get to most of it now since I’m on my phone, but two big things jump out at me:

If you’re happy with what you’re doing, go for it. Some well respected men here disagree with you. That’ a good thing and I’m sure this isn’t the first time in your life that something like this has happened. Game, women, and life - pillars of this forum - are all complex subjects. If they weren’t this forum would not exist. Different perspectives are important to different guys, and at different points in any one man’s life. Your writing is obviously very useful to many here, myself included, but it’s not the end all be all that you often make it out to be.

Second, your OP is built on a number of inconsistencies, strawmen, and logical fallacies that I’m sure are particularly obvious to you as a lawyer. You write for example,

Quote:The guys who preach the Game Bible mantra are full of shit. "You have to bang every girl on the first date." "You can't be friends with women." "Nothing matters except how good your spit is." "Women are either Instagram models or blue haired feminists."

Bullshit.

I agree with you here. In fact, I doubt any established member here is putting forward any of those ridiculous statements.

My main issue with your argument though is that despite pointing out that things are not all black and white, you try to paint women with that brush:

Quote:All this "peacocking" and first date bangs is nonsense. Again, what type of women are you looking to date? Normal women, or women who want to be flown to Dubai?

- Game is supposed to be fun. Personally, I enjoy spending time with women and getting to know them. If your goal is to meet women on Tinder and fuck them in dark parking lots, well, that's not my cup of tea. Nor is it someone I would want to spend time with.

Just as there were times in your own life that you had no issues with banging that kind of girl, there are times when a “good girl” gives it up on the first date to a guy who, on the surface, doesn’t have much going for him.

It’s just the nature of women and the reality of Game. “Good girls” do “degenerate” things with the right guy. Maybe it’s because that guy is a male model, or owns a private island; for most of us here, the reason is Game.

Post: #8

This thread doesn't belong in the Game section of the forum

Post: #9

(10-06-2018 11:28 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  This thread doesn't belong in the Game section of the forum

First off, let's be serious ...

You're one of the people who writes a bunch of straight bullshit on this forum. I've never seen you contribute anything of actual value, plus you left me a negative rep point. You're in those gay ass Facebook groups, where men discuss the affairs of other men. I find it sissy behavior when men talk about other men behind their backs, instead of to their face.

As for my writing, I'm coming at this from the perspective of a regular guy who doesn't sell books or have a game blog. I write forum posts for fun. I hosts meetups for fun. I could go away and nothing would happen. My life wouldn't change a bit. I'd continue to have parties at my house, go to the pool, make money, and bang smuts here in Philly and wherever I feel like.

In terms of why I wrote this post, a lot of what goes around the manosphere is complete bullshit, written by dudes who live in mommy's basement and have read Heartsie one too many times. You kids have read too many blogs, but haven't actually gone outside mom's basement enough to know what you're talking about. Put down the video game controller.

If you don't have female friends, and write about how many girls you bang on the first date, chances are you've never actually been laid. Oh, yeah, you go on Tinder, swipe right, and smash away after talking smooth spit. We're all just smashing away dimes in dimly lit parking lots by going out to bars and peacocking.

Riiight .....

Let's have some fun.

When is the last time you got laid? Took home a cold approach? Had a party at your house? Me, the answer is last night, to all those questions.

Finally, in terms of losing weight (which someone asked about), it's not hard. I wrote the whole thing up. Start keto. Don't eat until 5pm on weekdays. Cheat once every other week. 80 / 20 rule. Don't snack. Walk, ride a bike, and do martial arts in a fasted state. If you like cardio, do that; I do not. There are many days where all I consume is wine before bed, with blueberries for taste. Losing weight is a game of calories. Your body won't freak out once you're keto adapted and drop the calories.

Given that most of you know who I am, the entire transformation is on my Facebook page. I have large bones and dense muscle mass. Again, still have a dad bod (meaning pudge), but most people would describe me as skinny. I do not have six pack abs or anything like that. Never have, and I don't think that's in my genetic profile, but I guess we will see.

And yes, I am going to defend myself, vigorously, against basement dwellers.

Post: #10

(10-06-2018 11:28 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  This thread doesn't belong in the Game section of the forum

This.

Nothing in that post has anything to do with game and makes false assumptions about what people post on the forum/do with the trademark I'm just an average guy followed by how awesome he is.

His reading comprehension as a "pro-writer" and a lawyer is astoundingly poor.

Post: #11

(10-06-2018 12:48 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(10-06-2018 11:28 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  This thread doesn't belong in the Game section of the forum

This.

Nothing in that post has anything to do with game and makes false assumptions about what people post on the forum/do with the trademark I'm just an average guy followed by how awesome he is.

His reading comprehension as a "pro-writer" and a lawyer is astoundingly poor.

You're another person in the Facebook group who decided to leave me a neutral rep.

On the same day.

You dorks actually found the time to talk about me, offline, and make a concerted effort to drop my rep points. It's pathetic.

What it's it like starring in Mean Girls? Would you ladies like a tampon? A low fat yogurt?

I've actually hosted RVF meetups. People have been to my house, and drank on my dime. I write posts based on real life experience, not just what I read on the internet. To this day, even though I do pretty well, I still get blown out all the fucking time because that is how it works; then I write it all down. My real life identity is known, too. (You idiots actually emailed my girlfriend.)

How about you?

Post: #12

3/10 forum meltdown

Post: #13

(10-06-2018 12:53 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(10-06-2018 12:48 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(10-06-2018 11:28 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  This thread doesn't belong in the Game section of the forum

This.

Nothing in that post has anything to do with game and makes false assumptions about what people post on the forum/do with the trademark I'm just an average guy followed by how awesome he is.

His reading comprehension as a "pro-writer" and a lawyer is astoundingly poor.

You're another person in the Facebook group who decided to leave me a neutral rep.

All on the same day.

What it like being in Mean Girls?

I've actually hosted meetups. People have been to my house, and drank on my dime.

How about you?

I'm part of no Facebook group. Hell I don't think a forum Facebook group even exists considering how much most of us distrust social media. I don't even use online dating including Tinder. I rely strictly on social circle and random one night stands due to my own workload.

And as for me. I've met 50+ dudes from the forum traveling around the U.S. Most everyone knows where to find me as well. I'm also good friends with the vast majority.

Also why I neutraled you? I responded to you Time and time again. Even yesterday I did that and outlined why. Then I saw you repeating the same garbage I responded too before and so I've now said my piece as to your "game" and don't feel the need to slap you around further.

If anyone wants to read the finality of my issues with Mr. Moody they can find it here:

/thread-70797...pid1863785

/thread-69375...pid1833021


/thread-69375...pid1831256

Also I think I should point this out to really drive the point home. Considering your terrible Opsec and self-doxxing(as well as letting yourself get doxxed by newbies you met posting selfies with you on the forum) no one really wants to interact with or meet you anymore. If the trash advice and big baller trolling wasn't enough.

This will be the last time I address this guy's "game" as he's now just a troll living rent free in every thread. I'll only be calling out his trolling.

Post: #14

I have to give Hank some breathing room on his content, because a lot of the ideas he gets grief for on here rings true to me for a certain style and especially the geographic area he and I both live in. I agree with getdownonit 100%, though. Hank downplays the validity of game at his own expense, and he's hard on himself about it. That's his call if what he's doing works for him, but those same girls do let themselves get stretched out on day one with the right approach. I know, I've seen them do it.

With that in mind, this seems like a bunch of needless butthurt on both sides. Obviously, after six months of only positive reputation, you four got together and decided to coordinate. It's hard to believe that all of you - including Hank - are into this drama.

Personally, I only join Facebook groups for premium credit cards where we post memes mocking the poor. I have trouble imagining how a Facebook group about a forum would be worth the effort.

Post: #15

Hank

Believe it or not I like you. I like your writing style and I believe you have a lot to offer young men in terms of work ethic, perseverance and overall attitude. I mean that sincerely.

In a world where millennials are told the system is rigged, and they were fucked before they got started its important for them to see examples of self made success.

Ive never once doubted you live the life you claim to.

My only criticism is that your posts are absent of any "game tech" as this forum has always defined it.

You constantly deny that results with women can be affected with intention. That those results are solely/primarily dependent looks and height.

Thats game denial-ism.

For the record. Im not on Face Book. Never have been. Never will. So I have no idea what that references. And Ive never been on Tinder.

I dont live in my moms basement. When Im not in my apt in Prague I live in a $4 million house at the beach in SoCal (one of several luxury properties I own or have an interest in). Several RVF members have been to my home and can vouch for the veracity (One has even used two different properties to get laid in and posted it in the private forum...)

Ive been in an LTR for about 2 1/2 years now with a former Miss EE Country runner up. Again, several forum members who have met her can attest to the fact as well as the quality of tail I've pulled via approach IRL. My "Ex Files" is full of pictures of top shelf talent including numerous models, an NBA cheerleader, and a soap opera star. Again...verified as truth by several RVF ers

I've written very little about my lifestyle because it's not necessary to what I know is useful to the young men who seek out this forum. Ive never felt the need to "sell" myself via a CV

Ive never referred to myself as a PUA. Ever. I, like you try to refrain from using the jargon: IOI's, negs, freeze outs, etc. Its cheesy.

Im older than you by a decade. I started studying "game" long before it was even called that. I learned at a young age that I liked pussy ( I learned a lot from my degenerate old man). By the time I got out of high school I had learned that I could affect girls depending on my behavior . If acting/saying "this" way got me laid, and "that" way didnt...then I didnt do "that" anymore.

Its as simple as A /B testing

Height, looks, lifestyle, etc...sure theyre factors. No one denies that. But creating the "feelings" necessary to cause sexual attraction to arousal can be done with intent.

But coupled with an understanding of how words and behaviors elicit the desired responses...

That's game

It wan't my intent to attack you on a personal level. But objectively speaking your lifestyle musings dont belong in the Game section.

Post: #16

(10-06-2018 08:50 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Your cat won't help you meet girls.

Stranger things have happened.

Post: #17

(10-06-2018 01:02 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  3/10 forum meltdown

Ha, I'll try harder ...

I'm trying to write new stuff, but lately it all just turns into feminine drama.

Now there was this weird ass attempt to "de-rep" Hank.

I've been writing here since 2015, and it's never been like this. Shit, I was at the Battle of Toronto.

There is no new content on the forum. Most of it is just regurgitation of stuff that, in my opinion, doesn't work all that well. Most of the criticism seems to be coming from guys who live in their mom's basement, and have never actually been outside the house.

The game has changed. Anyone who says they're slaying dimes on the regular by swiping right on Tinder and Ubering them back to their filthy apartment is straight up lying. I wish it were that easy. I'd be slaying dimes on the regular for the cost of cheap ramen.

Yet, we write about one date bangs, "nexting" girls, or just general ranting and raving. I don't find any of that stuff useful or applicable to my daily life.

In my opinion, game is more about developing a social circle and becoming a well adjusted human being. If you can walk into a bar wearing a cowboy hat and white watch, and that gets you laid, God bless you.

Your milage may vary.

Lately I've written more about weight loss because that's where my mind is at. Fasting, diet, nutrition, exercise, etc.

And if you're in a Facebook group chatting about other men, you need to worry more about your own life. Men who discuss other men are females.

Post: #18

As much as I love your material Hank, arguably some of my favorite posts on this forum have come from you, there is a reason you rub people the wrong way sometimes.

The main one is cognitive dissonance.

You're on a game forum and a forum where the idea of traveling the world to get your dick wet is discussed in-depth, conclusion being a lot of guys on here (myself included) want to get their dicks wet and put it in tons of pussy.

When you come on a forum like this and go around saying, consistently, that game is overrated and there is more to life we are left scratching our heads. Why make long posts on a game forum then? Why care so much about what anyone on a game forum says about you?

Its not just you but this is my beef with the MGTOW crowd and even older members on this forum who attempt to talk up marriage, relationships and shoot down the lifestyle of fucking tons of pussy. Practice what you preach then, stop getting engaged in game communities and go out there with the traditional conservative marriage crowd that looks down on "sleazebags" that sleep around.

The beef some of us have with such a crowd is that in this morally self-righteous "there is more to life than pussy" type of mindset, you stop guys from learning about the various avenues to which they can accomplish their dreams of getting inside of lots of different women. To be frank, that's the reason most of us came on this forum and stick around, to help achieve that lifestyle until we have had our fill and then maybe move on, or just keep living it forever.

Post: #19

(10-06-2018 01:05 PM)Jetset Wrote:  With that in mind, this seems like a bunch of needless butthurt on both sides. Obviously, after six months of only positive reputation, you four got together and decided to coordinate. It's hard to believe that all of you - including Hank - are into this drama.

Not true. I cant speak for anyone else but Ive not

I did it because of this

/thread-70696...pid1863167

&

/thread-70696...pid1863170

There's some weirdness going on and it might be dangerous and /or contagious

Post: #20

(10-06-2018 01:05 PM)Jetset Wrote:  I have to give Hank some breathing room on his content, because a lot of the ideas he gets grief for on here rings true to me for a certain style and especially the geographic area he and I both live in. I agree with getdownonit 100%, though. Hank downplays the validity of game at his own expense, and he's hard on himself about it. That's his call if what he's doing works for him, but those same girls do let themselves get stretched out on day one with the right approach. I know, I've seen them do it.

With that in mind, this seems like a bunch of needless butthurt on both sides. Obviously, after six months of only positive reputation, you four got together and decided to coordinate. It's hard to believe that all of you - including Hank - are into this drama.

Personally, I only join Facebook groups for premium credit cards where we mock the poor. I have trouble imagining how a Facebook group about a forum would be worth the effort.

I linked to the posts in which I outlined why I had a problem with him. The first of which is from yesterday. After posting that I neutraled him. It wasn't coordinated I just had enough. This isn't the first time I said I had a problem with him.

Post: #21

(10-06-2018 01:06 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  Hank

Believe it or not I like you. I like your writing style and I believe you have a lot to offer young men in terms of work ethic, perseverance and overall attitude. I mean that sincerely.

In a world where millennials are told the system is rigged, and they were fucked before they got started its important for them to see examples of self made success.

Ive never once doubted you live the life you claim to.

My only criticism is that your posts are absent of any "game tech" as this forum has always defined it.

You constantly deny that results with women can be affected with intention. That those results are solely/primarily dependent looks and height.

Thats game denial-ism.

For the record. Im not on Face Book. Never have been. Never will. So I have no idea what that references. And Ive never been on Tinder.

I dont live in my moms basement. When Im not in my apt in Prague I live in a $4 million house at the beach in SoCal (one of several luxury properties I own or have an interest in). Several RVF members have been to my home and can vouch for the veracity (One has even used two different properties to get laid in and posted it in the private forum...)

Ive been in an LTR for about 2 1/2 years now with a former Miss EE Country runner up. Again, several forum members who have met her can attest to the fact as well as the quality of tail I've pulled via approach IRL. My "Ex Files" is full of pictures of top shelf talent including numerous models, an NBA cheerleader, and a soap opera star. Again...verified as truth by several RVF ers

I've written very little about my lifestyle because it's not necessary to what I know is useful to the young men who seek out this forum. Ive never felt the need to "sell" myself via a CV

Ive never referred to myself as a PUA. Ever. I, like you try to refrain from using the jargon: IOI's, negs, freeze outs, etc. Its cheesy.

Im older than you by a decade. I started studying "game" long before it was even called that. I learned at a young age that I liked pussy ( I learned a lot from my degenerate old man). By the time I got out of high school I had learned that I could affect girls depending on my behavior . If acting/saying "this" way got me laid, and "that" way didnt...then I didnt do "that" anymore.

Its as simple as A /B testing

Height, looks, lifestyle, etc...sure theyre factors. No one denies that. But creating the "feelings" necessary to cause sexual attraction to arousal can be done with intent.

But coupled with an understanding of how words and behaviors elicit the desired responses...

That's game

It wan't my intent to attack you on a personal level. But objectively speaking your lifestyle musings dont belong in the Game section.

Your neutral rep point, in collusion with a few others, was unnecessary.

I'm pretty straight up about who I am, my lifestyle, etc. My identity isn't even really anonymous. Everyone has figured it out.

I'd post more real life stuff, but I had a pretty public battle with SJWs last year (which I won), and I don't need them showing up to my office protesting. Even just being part of the "game community" can be dangerous for business. Roosh took it on the chin for us big time.

Am I slaying dimes every night with my smooth spit? Hell no; I wish. But I do pretty well for a guy who i 5'5 and rocks a dad bod.

I'm not trying to pat myself on the back here, but my spit game is rock solid. I can talk to groups of women easily, make them laugh, and tell great stories. My entire business is based on spit. It's easier to talk to girls than courts, trust me.

That said, if I could get by on spit alone, I'd be awash in dimes doing my dishes.

Instead, I have to do a lot of other stuff. I've never been able to swipe right on Tinder, get her back to my house, and bang. However, I've taken girls on a few dates and they've become LTRs / FWBs pretty consistently.

Again, your milage may vary.

Post: #22

Oh, as for masta, I was out with kbell, we drank all day, went to the pool, and fell asleep early. kbell slept on my couch, which he does a lot. Sun + too much alcohol = spent. We both got burnt to shit. Philly has been nothing but rain all summer. That was the first sunny day in months.

masta thought I was a different person who he grew up with. I don't actually know him. We've never met. He sent me a text, and I texted him back the next day.

Mistaken identity, apparently. He grew up with a lawyer who happens to have my first name and live in Philly. Thought it was me.

Regardless, we texted him back the next day to hang out. I'm always game to meetup with other forum members if they're in town. Still hoping to meetup with masta. He seems cool.

Anyone who PMs me can have my cell #. If you're in Philly, there's always a spot at the Moody Dome to crash.

Post: #23

(10-06-2018 01:19 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  There's some weirdness going on and it might be dangerous and /or contagious

(10-06-2018 01:23 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  I linked to the posts in which I outlined why I had a problem with him.

I wrote my post before I saw Comte De St. Germain's. Fair enough, I'll take that at face value.

Post: #24

Hank, the criticisms of you are very accurate and real. You are so soft and thin skinned for a reason. It's because you are unbelievable selfish. Every thread you write is about you. It's not about the topic, it's always about you. Car thread, it's about you and a little bit about the cars, nothing about what's great about them. You always talk about ju jitsu but I've never seen a post talking about techniques, rolling or anything else. Just that YOU do it. On cooking, you never talk about cuisines, techniques and next level tips for making quality food. Just that you make steak and eat it.

That's why you are so fragile. You're ego is unsatiable, that's why you big baller troll on an internet forum feigning fake humbleness. You don't need to fake humbleness because you're a loser all on your own. You clearly need work on your inner game because it is non existent or you wouldn't make a whole thread about you getting neutral repped as you're the only person to have one.

Post: #25

(10-06-2018 01:55 PM)realologist Wrote:  Hank, the criticisms of you are very accurate and real. You are so soft and thin skinned for a reason. It's because you are unbelievable selfish. Every thread you write is about you. It's not about the topic, it's always about you. Car thread, it's about you and a little bit about the cars, nothing about what's great about them. You always talk about ju jitsu but I've never seen a post talking about techniques, rolling or anything else. Just that YOU do it. On cooking, you never talk about cuisines, techniques and next level tips for making quality food. Just that you make steak and eat it.

That's why you are so fragile. You're ego is unsatiable, that's why you big baller troll on an internet forum feigning fake humbleness. You don't need to fake humbleness because you're a loser all on your own. You clearly need work on your inner game because it is non existent or you wouldn't make a whole thread about you getting neutral repped as you're the only person to have one.

How would I write about stuff I don't know about?

I'd write about a career in NASCAR, but I've never done that. I've never driven a race car, so my post wouldn't have any value. My experiences are limited to my own. That is what I write about -- stuff that I've experienced personally.

I could actually write a decent thread on recipes and cooking, because I know about that. I cook for my church on Tuesdays. I did doro wat last month and it came out pretty good. If this forum becomes about swapping recipes, God save us all. Steak is easy to cook, but I make a lot of different things when time permits.

If you want to hear about jiu jitsu, that would probably involve YouTube videos. It would be impossible to explain in writing. "Guy grabs your shoulders, your hands go inside, grab the neck on the lat, and turn square with him, lifting him on your back, then throw him to the side while keeping hold of his arm. Try and go for an arm bar, if not go into full mount." Jiu jitsu is a matter of doing. If it interests you, sign up for a good school, I can't really write about how to do it.

I'm sorry if you don't like my threads. Send me an email and I'll send you your money back.